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Diane | 1:32 a.m. April 19, 2008
It might help if the leaders of the LDS church told their history accurately
and stopped hiding the things that make them look bad. Secrecy and distorted
facts leave the door open for criticism. When people are told the whole TRUTH
they are much more likely to perpetuate the TRUTH.
It is clear that the world at large needs to be educated in the differences (and similarities) of the different factions that have sprung from the original church, so maybe the church should stop the PR and start sharing some real honest to goodness FACTS both inside AND outside the church.
It is clear that the world at large needs to be educated in the differences (and similarities) of the different factions that have sprung from the original church, so maybe the church should stop the PR and start sharing some real honest to goodness FACTS both inside AND outside the church.
Amazed | 2:21 a.m. April 19, 2008
Many members of the LDS church seem to have forgotten their history as a pariah
religion, driven from the eastern states to settle in the territories: harassed
by the federal government and inveigled to give up hegemony over their
settlements. There was no law against polygamy until one was passed for the
express purpose of pressuring the LDS Church�s authority.
The fourteen thousand polygamists in the church were left high and dry, driven
into hiding, jailed, fined, and stripped of their civil rights. Now that an
offshoot sect of those original Mormons is being subjected to the same
harassment, pressure, and loss of rights, the LDS church only wants to distance
itself and ignore this blatant assault on religious freedom.
In 1993 when the government incinerated over 80 men, women, and children at Waco, the first thing I thought of was the federal government's assault against the early LDS Church. But today's Mormons are apparently more worried about being identified with people who have unstylish clothes and hair. It's trendy to help build synagogues for the Jews and temples for Asian sects, but they are applauding the destruction of a religion that shares their origins.
In 1993 when the government incinerated over 80 men, women, and children at Waco, the first thing I thought of was the federal government's assault against the early LDS Church. But today's Mormons are apparently more worried about being identified with people who have unstylish clothes and hair. It's trendy to help build synagogues for the Jews and temples for Asian sects, but they are applauding the destruction of a religion that shares their origins.
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RobertM | 2:26 a.m. April 19, 2008
But the people are Mormons no matter what the LDS(Brighamite) church says, as
the FLDS believe in Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon. If this were 120 years
ago they would be embraced as Brothers and Sisters by the Utah based church.
Instead of emphasizing the differences, how about looking at the similarities?
There are a lot more similarities than differences and the further back you go
into history one sees the differences fade into oblivion.
Al | 3:03 a.m. April 19, 2008
It seems easy, at this point in history, to see the divine and inspired wisdom
that caused the LDS church to leave the practice of polygamy behind in 1890. It
appears to provide nothing but difficulty, for those who cling to it.
John Robert Mallernee | 3:30 a.m. April 19, 2008
Greetings:
Personally, I'm glad folks are getting things mixed up!
It's a great missionary opportunity for members of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints.
You know the old Hollywood adage.
It doesn't matter what the newspapers say about you, just as long as the name is spelled correctly.
After all, whether it's good or bad, it's still publicity, and ANY publicity is always good.
So, let's take advantage of this wonderful opportunity to answer questions about our Church!
That's why God gave us the Internet.
Thank you.
John Robert Mallernee
Bard of Clan Henderson
Armed Forces Retirement Home
Washington, D.C. 20011-8400
Personally, I'm glad folks are getting things mixed up!
It's a great missionary opportunity for members of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints.
You know the old Hollywood adage.
It doesn't matter what the newspapers say about you, just as long as the name is spelled correctly.
After all, whether it's good or bad, it's still publicity, and ANY publicity is always good.
So, let's take advantage of this wonderful opportunity to answer questions about our Church!
That's why God gave us the Internet.
Thank you.
John Robert Mallernee
Bard of Clan Henderson
Armed Forces Retirement Home
Washington, D.C. 20011-8400
SLC | 4:07 a.m. April 19, 2008
Both groups recognize Doctrine & Covenants 132 as canonized scripture. LDS
members no longer practice the plural marriage portions of the revelation, while
FLDS members continue to practice it.
Keep Sweet | 4:54 a.m. April 19, 2008
Anonymous. Is this the way Mormonism used to be when polygamy was accepted by
the church, or has Jeff's and his followers taken their child bride
theology to an extreme? Just wondering.
Why?? | 5:57 a.m. April 19, 2008
If the LDS Church has to keep pointing out that they don't have ANYTHING to
do with the this Texas group, why all the top story status, plus several
additional stories about it EVERY DAY in the LDS- owned Des News? In our state,
not far from Texas, the news station I watch correctly refers to this group as a
"polygamist sect". What is different about the coverage here is that
it is given a 2 sentence mention, at about the end of the news cast, right
before the news of missing dogs that are found, and people finding cornflakes
shaped like Illinois. Since it in no way has anything to do with LDS, why all
the inordinate coverage by Des News?
Gloria | 6:11 a.m. April 19, 2008
I so appreciate Elder Cook's words.
I am a devout member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints who lives in Texas. I find the words by Elder Cook very comforting! I am glad he is speaking out in forceful and clear terms! I hope his words will be broadcast throughout the world, and reach our Church membership, to comfort them. I find it very distressing to witness the use of the sacred name of our Church, changed by one word -Fundamentalist-, to represent the opposite of what the Church stands for. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints stands for truth and righteousness. It invites people to "Come unto Christ," to delight in Him, to partake of His goodness and mercy, through His Redemptive Atoning Sacrifice and Resurrection. I worship the Lord Jesus Christ. I worship God the Father, my Heavenly Father. I know He cares about everyone. I know He wants our happiness. I know that He has provided a plan for us to return to His presence, through the Atoning sacrifice and resurrection of His Beloved Son Jesus Christ.
Yes, I do have a college degree, a Master of Science in Engineering.
I am a devout member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints who lives in Texas. I find the words by Elder Cook very comforting! I am glad he is speaking out in forceful and clear terms! I hope his words will be broadcast throughout the world, and reach our Church membership, to comfort them. I find it very distressing to witness the use of the sacred name of our Church, changed by one word -Fundamentalist-, to represent the opposite of what the Church stands for. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints stands for truth and righteousness. It invites people to "Come unto Christ," to delight in Him, to partake of His goodness and mercy, through His Redemptive Atoning Sacrifice and Resurrection. I worship the Lord Jesus Christ. I worship God the Father, my Heavenly Father. I know He cares about everyone. I know He wants our happiness. I know that He has provided a plan for us to return to His presence, through the Atoning sacrifice and resurrection of His Beloved Son Jesus Christ.
Yes, I do have a college degree, a Master of Science in Engineering.
LDS | 6:17 a.m. April 19, 2008
Shame on us, Peoples Rights are being Violated and we are worried the world may
get us confused, I think ill find a more Crist like Religion, im sure there is
one out there some where.
stephencpace | 6:21 a.m. April 19, 2008
I thought the LDS folks no longer wanted to be called "Mormons". Why
do they care if the FLDS folks are called Mormon. Very confusing.
Gunther | 6:43 a.m. April 19, 2008
So the church posts a video on YouTube; the funny thing is, YouTube is blocked
at BYU so students won't be able to see it.
Anonymous | 7:33 a.m. April 19, 2008
So you're not different enough to recognize the moral issues involved? But
you wouldn't dress so tacky...
Honorable.
Honorable.
Anonymous | 8:14 a.m. April 19, 2008
I wish this artical would be addressed on Glen Beck or Fox News- Mormons are not
a cult or poligamous sect.
Prophesy prevails that many Hornets nests will be exposed before the next coming-I only hope that this group will be exposed for what it is and eradicated. I truly feel empathy for these FLDS women and children and their future.
Praise to Elder Cook for his commnts and stewardship to the church and keeping our integrity.
Prophesy prevails that many Hornets nests will be exposed before the next coming-I only hope that this group will be exposed for what it is and eradicated. I truly feel empathy for these FLDS women and children and their future.
Praise to Elder Cook for his commnts and stewardship to the church and keeping our integrity.
get real | 8:27 a.m. April 19, 2008
Anonymous 1 am provides a great example of the intolerance that many LDS
experience on a daily basis
A former LDS Member | 8:37 a.m. April 19, 2008
I think the LDS church could get a much better impression into the minds of the
public if they would ask what they could do to help the victims of the FLDS
scandal, rather than being so defensive. Actions speak a whole lot louder than
words! Where is the fruit of the spirit here? I see lots of other churches
helping out by providing meals, opening their homes to the attorneys visiting
San Angelo, making quilts for the children, etc. But what is the LDS church
doing to help?
NY | 8:45 a.m. April 19, 2008
Amazing. The media never confuse Baptists and Catholics! Why is this so
difficult for them? It makes you wonder if anything they report is reliable.
Anonymous | 8:57 a.m. April 19, 2008
Any Media Outlet that confuses the FLDS Church with the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints, or uses the word "Mormon" to refer to FLDS or
uses the Pictures of the Salt Lake Temple to misrepresent our Church needs to
have his or her license revoked and no longer be allowed to be in the News
Business, and yes, that includes Reuters News Service.
Mormon | 8:59 a.m. April 19, 2008
As a member of the LDS church, I don't like it either when these polygamous
sects get confused with our church. But I think it is a bit disingenuous to
insist that they are not "Mormon". Like it or not, that term is going
to apply to more splinter groups as time goes on.
I think "Mormon" applies to anyone who believes that Joseph Smith was a prophet and that the Book of Mormon is the word of God. These splinter groups seem to believe those two things in spite of all the other differences they may have with our church.
We take great exception to other churches trying to deny us the distinction as "Christians" yet we seem to be trying to do the same with other "Mormons". I don't think we can have it both ways.
We need to stress that we are not associated with those groups and that not all "Mormons" are the same just as not all "Christians" are the same.
I think "Mormon" applies to anyone who believes that Joseph Smith was a prophet and that the Book of Mormon is the word of God. These splinter groups seem to believe those two things in spite of all the other differences they may have with our church.
We take great exception to other churches trying to deny us the distinction as "Christians" yet we seem to be trying to do the same with other "Mormons". I don't think we can have it both ways.
We need to stress that we are not associated with those groups and that not all "Mormons" are the same just as not all "Christians" are the same.
falasha | 9:02 a.m. April 19, 2008
Most of these fundamental lds groups started after two apostles resigned from
the quorum of the 12 in 1906. The names of the apostles who disagreed on the
polygamy manifesto were John W. Taylor and Matthias F. Cowley.
Currently the only polygamy the church authorizes is the sealing of a man to another wife after the death of the first wife. The church headquartered in Utah never annuls the sealing to the first wife after death. This marriage remains in force and they allow the man to marry a second or third wife for eternities. Most other Christian churches annul the first marriage by death whereas Mormons do not. There are only three current apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS who have entered into these forms of marriage sealings. Elder Perry married a second wife for eternity in April 1976 when he was sealed to Barbara T. Dayton in the SLC temple. Elder Dallin H. Oaks entered his first polygamous marriage for eternities when he married a second wife Kristen M. McMain On 25 August 2000. Elder Nelson married his first polygamous wife for eternities in April of 2006 when he married Wendy L. Watson.
Currently the only polygamy the church authorizes is the sealing of a man to another wife after the death of the first wife. The church headquartered in Utah never annuls the sealing to the first wife after death. This marriage remains in force and they allow the man to marry a second or third wife for eternities. Most other Christian churches annul the first marriage by death whereas Mormons do not. There are only three current apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS who have entered into these forms of marriage sealings. Elder Perry married a second wife for eternity in April 1976 when he was sealed to Barbara T. Dayton in the SLC temple. Elder Dallin H. Oaks entered his first polygamous marriage for eternities when he married a second wife Kristen M. McMain On 25 August 2000. Elder Nelson married his first polygamous wife for eternities in April of 2006 when he married Wendy L. Watson.
me | 8:59 a.m. April 19, 2008
the best way to be a criminal is to get a badge and get the government to fund
you.
GAC in Texas | 9:01 a.m. April 19, 2008
Fortunately my friends in Texas do know the difference between my church and the
one on the news even though I get teased in a good-natured way.
However, it is a concern when many people in the public do not have past experience with the "real" LDS church. One news cast actually tried. I heard, "This group is in no way connected to the Mormon Church with headquarters in Salt Lake City." This much effort unfortunately is few and far between. I even heard on a Texas channel, "The sect does not want people to view their temple because the Mormon temples are closed to the public."
The effort needs to continue to make the differences clear.
Perhaps it might help if everyone raided all the compounds and got those kids out like Texas has the courage to do. Texas may be making mistakes but at least they are trying. I'm sure we will weather this storm also.
However, it is a concern when many people in the public do not have past experience with the "real" LDS church. One news cast actually tried. I heard, "This group is in no way connected to the Mormon Church with headquarters in Salt Lake City." This much effort unfortunately is few and far between. I even heard on a Texas channel, "The sect does not want people to view their temple because the Mormon temples are closed to the public."
The effort needs to continue to make the differences clear.
Perhaps it might help if everyone raided all the compounds and got those kids out like Texas has the courage to do. Texas may be making mistakes but at least they are trying. I'm sure we will weather this storm also.
mimi | 9:07 a.m. April 19, 2008
Fox New Channel begins each of their reports about the FLDS situation by
stressing that they are not in any way connected to the LDS Church.
Rusty Keyes | 9:06 a.m. April 19, 2008
If, as you claim, the LDS are entirely different from the FLDS, Why are you
promoting this story into the ground? Maybe, if you lay off the incessant
updates and filler, this story will die down a bit and you can get back to
reporting the REAL news - you know - the economy that's in the tank, the
neverending war, the election campaign. Stories that affect EVERYONE and not
just the select few. Enough already. LDS, FLDS, RFLDS - does anyone see a
similarity in all those letters?
Seeking the Truth | 9:34 a.m. April 19, 2008
Both the FLDS and the LDS Church are followers of the teachings of Joseph Smith
are they not? Was it not Joseph Smith that started the practice of polygamy?
Which church follows the teachings of Joseph Smith the closest?
Gimme a break! | 9:29 a.m. April 19, 2008
LDS women "don't dress in old-fashioned clothing or wear unusual
hairstyles,like FLDS members do"?
What ward does this person go to? Has this person ever traveled much outside of Utah to see how the rest of the world dresses?
What ward does this person go to? Has this person ever traveled much outside of Utah to see how the rest of the world dresses?
And? | 9:36 a.m. April 19, 2008
Once there was one population of Mormons. Then, there was a split creating the
LDS Church and the Reorganized church. The LDS Church had another split over
Woodruff's Manifesto. The LDS Church practiced polygamy after the manifesto
in Mexico and Canada. The LDS Church assured the US Government that polygamy
wasn't going on in the church.
Today, no LDS Mormon are polygamous until they reach heaven. Mormon men can be sealed to many women. Women can only be sealed to one man.
Have I missed anything here?
Today, no LDS Mormon are polygamous until they reach heaven. Mormon men can be sealed to many women. Women can only be sealed to one man.
Have I missed anything here?
Amazed | 9:39 a.m. April 19, 2008
ok, so they dont dress the same. ???????
Tanya | 9:43 a.m. April 19, 2008
The church seems to be more concerned about their image than the well being of
these children. Why isn't Utah cracking down on these sex offenders? I
believe it has to do with protecting the LDS church's image.
Beatrice | 9:42 a.m. April 19, 2008
What kind of bonehead doesn't know the difference between the LDS and the
FLDS? Come on people! And quit criticizing the LDS church. We have nothing to
do with the FLDS and never did. They are not Mormons. Get over it.
California Reader | 9:50 a.m. April 19, 2008
Umm, actually quite a few people in Utah do look like they dress and wear their
hair straight out of Little House on the Praire. They talk like them too.
I AGREE!!! | 10:10 a.m. April 19, 2008
RE: WHY?? I agree with you. Why is such a hot, overly covered story? How about
it Deseret News? Any reply as to why you are so focused on this story?
Time | 10:07 a.m. April 19, 2008
The current practices of the FLDS polygamist are not even close to the way God
instructed polygamy to be practiced when the principle was restored to the
earth. To say that the LDS and FLDS are similar in that fashion, is just
incorrect. Do you think over a hundred years of rebellion to the commandment to
discontinue polygamy, these members of the FLDS are practicing the way it was
before? No, the Lord wouldnt stand for righteous people to abuse sex and hunger
for control over their wives and children. Think about it, think, think about
it.
RoyBoy | 10:19 a.m. April 19, 2008
To John Robert Mallernee:
This is the first time I have heard that the Internet is God-given.
I've come across some things there that I don't think could have come from God!
This is the first time I have heard that the Internet is God-given.
I've come across some things there that I don't think could have come from God!
To Why?? 5:57 a.m. | 10:13 a.m. April 19, 2008
I live in east Texas, far from San Angelo, and it gets ALOT of play here on the
TV news. Also, have you watched nationwide CNN lately? They will mention it at
least every half hour. Larry King, Nancy Grace, and Anderson Cooper seem
obsessed by the whole thing. Maybe your locale "near" Texas is the
unusual (and, perhaps, desirable) place to be.
Based on the number of comments to the FLDS raid articles, the Des News appears to be operating like, um, a newspaper that must sustain its own existence. The FLDS stories invite alot of readership, apparently - even you, and this keeps adversizers and subscribers - the lifeblood of newspapers' existence.
East Texan
Based on the number of comments to the FLDS raid articles, the Des News appears to be operating like, um, a newspaper that must sustain its own existence. The FLDS stories invite alot of readership, apparently - even you, and this keeps adversizers and subscribers - the lifeblood of newspapers' existence.
East Texan
Otis Spurlock | 10:19 a.m. April 19, 2008
So, if
FLDS = LDS (shared scripture and 50 years history), then,
Branch Davidian = Seventh Day Adventist (shared scripture and history), and
Jonestown = Evangelical/Pentecostal (shared scripture and history), and
Eastern Orthodox = Roman Catholic (shared scripture and 1,000+ years' history), and
All Protestantism = Roman Catholicism (shared scripture and 1,500 years' history), and
Shiite = Sunni (shared scripture and history).
Agreed? And if not, why not?
Or, let's just let each group maintain its own identify and recognize it as such.
FLDS = LDS (shared scripture and 50 years history), then,
Branch Davidian = Seventh Day Adventist (shared scripture and history), and
Jonestown = Evangelical/Pentecostal (shared scripture and history), and
Eastern Orthodox = Roman Catholic (shared scripture and 1,000+ years' history), and
All Protestantism = Roman Catholicism (shared scripture and 1,500 years' history), and
Shiite = Sunni (shared scripture and history).
Agreed? And if not, why not?
Or, let's just let each group maintain its own identify and recognize it as such.
Religious Freedoms | 10:34 a.m. April 19, 2008
Don't (and shouldn't) include the things we are talking about with the
FLDS! The line is being drawn now because due to the secretive nature of this
religion many people didn't realize. They have been hiding under
"religious freedoms". Young girls and women do not have to be in this
and they didn't know. They thought their "eternal salvation" was
at risk! It's high time this was recognized and we will never let it
happen again.
youtube blocked? | 10:28 a.m. April 19, 2008
"So the church posts a video on YouTube; the funny thing is, YouTube is
blocked at BYU so students won't be able to see it."
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why is it blocked?
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why is it blocked?
RE: Gloria | 10:34 a.m. April 19, 2008
........Too be honest, I don't find his words "Comforting". All I
can see when issues like this arrive is fear. All any one of us LDS can do is
mention the sentance to the world "OH, it's ok world, we stopped doing
that in 1890." and after words,mention how we're so
"Edd-you-cated" just to make the world kiss our behind.
I can see why we need to clarify with others that the media is confusing our religion with the smaller sects. But yet, why do wee need to say more for the sole purpose of the world to love us?
Speaking of the media. The way they're confusing our religion with the other sects is a good example of how the media can easily infuence the publics mindset and opinions.
I can see why we need to clarify with others that the media is confusing our religion with the smaller sects. But yet, why do wee need to say more for the sole purpose of the world to love us?
Speaking of the media. The way they're confusing our religion with the other sects is a good example of how the media can easily infuence the publics mindset and opinions.
Ben | 10:32 a.m. April 19, 2008
To Amazed | 2:21 a.m.,
You are mistaken. Laws outlawing polygamy were NOT passed simply to get at Mormons. Polygamy was already illegal in the state of Illinois during the Nauvoo era when Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and Heber C. Kimball first began to take plural wives. (see Greiner & Sherman, Revised Laws of Illinois, 1833, pg. 198-199). There were a number of "Zionist" communities of different faiths that were experimenting with a variety of sexual practices, not just the Mormons.
Additionally, the 1835 (first) edition of the Doctrine and Covenants forbade and condemned polygamy in the LDS Church, despite the possibility that Joseph may have been involved with Fanny Alger as early as 1833.
No matter how you slice it, polygamy among the Mormons had a murky, questionable, "tawdry" beginning (Oliver Cowdery's word). Based on records and journals of many plural wives of these early leaders, their lifestyles were rarely any better than the lifestyles being lived by the FLDS in Texas. Most of them were much worse off in almost every respect.
You are mistaken. Laws outlawing polygamy were NOT passed simply to get at Mormons. Polygamy was already illegal in the state of Illinois during the Nauvoo era when Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and Heber C. Kimball first began to take plural wives. (see Greiner & Sherman, Revised Laws of Illinois, 1833, pg. 198-199). There were a number of "Zionist" communities of different faiths that were experimenting with a variety of sexual practices, not just the Mormons.
Additionally, the 1835 (first) edition of the Doctrine and Covenants forbade and condemned polygamy in the LDS Church, despite the possibility that Joseph may have been involved with Fanny Alger as early as 1833.
No matter how you slice it, polygamy among the Mormons had a murky, questionable, "tawdry" beginning (Oliver Cowdery's word). Based on records and journals of many plural wives of these early leaders, their lifestyles were rarely any better than the lifestyles being lived by the FLDS in Texas. Most of them were much worse off in almost every respect.
Marice Parkes | 10:40 a.m. April 19, 2008
I just want to state that my great great grandfather was a polygamist and he
gave four of his daughters to his older brother in marriage. There was quite a
difference in the ages of the brides and the bridegroom. The bridegroom had a
total of 12 wives and 56 children.
wrz | 10:42 a.m. April 19, 2008
"Okay, they're different. Most people in Salt Lake don't dress
for the Little House on the Prairie 2 casting call every day."
Here's what I don't get:
Look at female TV hosts and guests or female starlets at important Hollywood events, etc. Many times you will see alotta leg and breast exposure and oddball quaffs. These women are gazed upon with admiration and envy. But look at the FLDS women and you will see modest dress down to the wrists and ankles... with equally strange quaffs. The women are castigated and belittled for their attire. Go figure.
Here's what I don't get:
Look at female TV hosts and guests or female starlets at important Hollywood events, etc. Many times you will see alotta leg and breast exposure and oddball quaffs. These women are gazed upon with admiration and envy. But look at the FLDS women and you will see modest dress down to the wrists and ankles... with equally strange quaffs. The women are castigated and belittled for their attire. Go figure.
Jane | 10:37 a.m. April 19, 2008
Hey John Robert M,
I have found out all I ever want to know about the FLDS and the LDS church.
You and your church will never convince me that the law of not committing adultery was suspended for Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and all the others who practiced polygamy and polyandry.
Never. Ever. Period.
God bless Texas.
I have found out all I ever want to know about the FLDS and the LDS church.
You and your church will never convince me that the law of not committing adultery was suspended for Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and all the others who practiced polygamy and polyandry.
Never. Ever. Period.
God bless Texas.
bilbo | 10:37 a.m. April 19, 2008
from CNN newsite, via Drudgereport...."Religious scholar John Walsh also
addressed a particularly damning piece of evidence: At least one bed found
inside a temple that was allegedly used to consummate such marriages immediately
after the ceremony.
"Historically, the only use of a bed in a temple is for temple worship itself," said Walsh, who said he has studied the FLDS practices for 18 years. "The worship lasts a couple of hours, so all the temples will have a place where someone can lie down."
But, he said, "To my knowledge, there has never been any sexual activity in a Mormon temple."
Walsh said he also studies the mainstream Mormon church, which renounced polygamy a century ago and has no ties to the FLDS. He said without the polygamy aspect, the FLDS would resemble the Baptist or Catholic religions."
this last paragraph explains why the buses used to transport the FLDS members to the holding pens were labelled as "Baptist" vehicles...just helping another brother out....they may even loan the buses to Westboro BAPTIST Church for their next US Soldier field trip.
"Historically, the only use of a bed in a temple is for temple worship itself," said Walsh, who said he has studied the FLDS practices for 18 years. "The worship lasts a couple of hours, so all the temples will have a place where someone can lie down."
But, he said, "To my knowledge, there has never been any sexual activity in a Mormon temple."
Walsh said he also studies the mainstream Mormon church, which renounced polygamy a century ago and has no ties to the FLDS. He said without the polygamy aspect, the FLDS would resemble the Baptist or Catholic religions."
this last paragraph explains why the buses used to transport the FLDS members to the holding pens were labelled as "Baptist" vehicles...just helping another brother out....they may even loan the buses to Westboro BAPTIST Church for their next US Soldier field trip.
Find out for yourself . . . | 10:42 a.m. April 19, 2008
Those of you who are confused by all the news reports, should take this
opportunity to talk to your Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saint friends
and/or neighbors (I'd be surprised if you don't have at least one LDS
member at your place of work or neighborhood weather you know it or not.) If you
don't know any active members of the LDS church, look in your phone book
and call the missionaries. They can tell you more about it. The similarities
between the LDS and FLDS churches pretty much end outside of their common
beginning. All christian churches use the Bible. It's pure ignorance to say
two different religions are the same because they have the same beginning. If
that's the case, all Catholic and Prodestant churches are the same because
the have the same beginning too.
grandmab5g3 | 10:52 a.m. April 19, 2008
As an active LDS member, I feel that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day
Saints, and the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints are
totally separate. We have very few similarities. I feel free to go where I
choose and do what I choose. I choose to try to follow our teachings. I feel
the same compassion for FLDS members that I would for any people who are having
similar problems. Those who oppress and try to control those women and children
and prevent them from making choices and reaching their potential need to be
punished. They have been crippled by the environment they have been forced to
live in. That is not the Lord's way. I hope these women and children will
not have to return to that environment and that they can somehow learn to find
joy in life.
I'm More Mormon than You | 10:48 a.m. April 19, 2008
Isn't this a bit like the left hand saying it is different from the right
hand?
Loralee | 11:00 a.m. April 19, 2008
Amazed:
The reason for the LDS Church distancing ourselves from the FLDS sect is explained very clearly - in the 12th Article of Faith it reads:
We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
This FLDS sect may express belief in the Book of Mormon, but they certainly neglect the teachings where polygamy was abolished. Practicing polygamy is grounds for excommunication. We are known by our neighbors, as a whole, for being good law-abiding citizens. This association with a group that is no longer a part of the LDS faith is frustrating to us. Indeed, there are members of the LDS church who are Mayors, Senators, Governors, and former candidates for President of the United States!
The reason for the LDS Church distancing ourselves from the FLDS sect is explained very clearly - in the 12th Article of Faith it reads:
We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
This FLDS sect may express belief in the Book of Mormon, but they certainly neglect the teachings where polygamy was abolished. Practicing polygamy is grounds for excommunication. We are known by our neighbors, as a whole, for being good law-abiding citizens. This association with a group that is no longer a part of the LDS faith is frustrating to us. Indeed, there are members of the LDS church who are Mayors, Senators, Governors, and former candidates for President of the United States!
Dear Amazed | 10:54 a.m. April 19, 2008
You too need to go back in history so that you can see that you are like so many
others of the past and present who build momuments to the dead prophets and
stone the living prophets.
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