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Liz | 9:07 p.m. April 18, 2008
Colorado said they didn't mind them being there in Colorado. I think that
will be where they will be moving to next.
Doctor | 9:12 p.m. April 18, 2008
Matthew:
I go to Church and I am a biggot because I disagree with the FLDS and the abusive things that they are going to be proven guilty of.
Warren Jeffs crimes are strictly because of his religion.
The water boarding and the forced relationships of the young women being spirutally married to these old geezers is a religous thing.
The lost boys being turned out on the street is a religous thing.
This whole thing is nothing but abuse and not religion.
I go to Church and I am a biggot because I disagree with the FLDS and the abusive things that they are going to be proven guilty of.
Warren Jeffs crimes are strictly because of his religion.
The water boarding and the forced relationships of the young women being spirutally married to these old geezers is a religous thing.
The lost boys being turned out on the street is a religous thing.
This whole thing is nothing but abuse and not religion.
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SalemMA | 9:19 p.m. April 18, 2008
The Governor of Texas should be fired. Along with everyone else involved in
this whole travesty of constitutional rights. I predict this will end up before
the U.S. Supreme Court vs. the State of Texas. If you think you don't mess
with Texas, think again.
U.S. Citizen
Commonwealth of Massachusetts
U.S. Citizen
Commonwealth of Massachusetts
To Gerl | 9:21 p.m. April 18, 2008
No personal attack or offense intended.
Gerl, either you're in the FLDS, a similar cult, or utterly uninformed.
I'm just trying to understand you a little better. Can you share something of your life and how you've come to IGNORE that the group has an unyielding allegience to Warren Jeffs; someone who freely speaks of young girls submitting to men chosen for them. Someone who freely speaks of the very crimes he's in prison for and someone that **his** people devoutly follow.
Please help me to understand you. Seriously.
Gerl, either you're in the FLDS, a similar cult, or utterly uninformed.
I'm just trying to understand you a little better. Can you share something of your life and how you've come to IGNORE that the group has an unyielding allegience to Warren Jeffs; someone who freely speaks of young girls submitting to men chosen for them. Someone who freely speaks of the very crimes he's in prison for and someone that **his** people devoutly follow.
Please help me to understand you. Seriously.
Worried | 9:53 p.m. April 18, 2008
I feel there has been harm done to the children mentally. Is Texas seeing to it
that these children are still receiving their religious teachings. Though we
all disagree with the way they live, we all know they are a very religious group
in which the children should be allowed to continue in their teaching. The Lord
said,' Let thee not be judged' If He feels it is wrong, He will do
the judging. It is not for us to do. I just hope they have not harmed the
children mentally, and they are allowed to live the life they choose to live,
not the life Texas chooses for them.
Larry in OHIO | 10:27 p.m. April 18, 2008
Thanks Texas
Utah/Arizona your turn | 10:59 p.m. April 18, 2008
Mathew Your FLDS roots are showing. Anyone on here that believes that cult is
hunky dory is really deluded or part of the FLDS. Utah and Arizona need to get
off their behinds and help the children in their states. An added bonus for the
citizens of Texas is that once those DNA tests are done those daddies are gonna
be paying back all that welfare money this group has bled from the good citizens
of Texas. Utah and Arizona, think about it, you could balance your state budgets
with a few DNA tests!
Mary | 11:13 p.m. April 18, 2008
This is so abnormal.
"...When the attorney asked if she knew how her sister was married, she replied, "After it's done, they come and we congratulate them."
When asked the age of her sister's baby, she said, "I estimate two." She also said she has another married sister who "I believe she is 18."
A marriage is a beautiful celebration a womans whole family usually gets involved. Sisters giggle, hug, plan, try on dresses, share ideas and future plans,
and good heavens... she estimates the age of her sisters baby? What she has missed out on...the joyless tone that has. After it's done... is that the words for, sadness at the thought of a sister being sexually abused by, what a 13, 14 15 yr old girl would consider an old man?
"...When the attorney asked if she knew how her sister was married, she replied, "After it's done, they come and we congratulate them."
When asked the age of her sister's baby, she said, "I estimate two." She also said she has another married sister who "I believe she is 18."
A marriage is a beautiful celebration a womans whole family usually gets involved. Sisters giggle, hug, plan, try on dresses, share ideas and future plans,
and good heavens... she estimates the age of her sisters baby? What she has missed out on...the joyless tone that has. After it's done... is that the words for, sadness at the thought of a sister being sexually abused by, what a 13, 14 15 yr old girl would consider an old man?
M | 11:07 p.m. April 18, 2008
Earlier articles mentioned physical evidence concerning the allegations of
abuse, rape, and underage marriage, but any mention of that evidence or its use
in court has not been recently published.
Both state officials and the FLDS, especially their lawyers, are not making things easy. The FLDS are trying to play the sympathy card, and it sounds like it's working. State officials, meanwhile, are having a hard time trying to keep their heads above water with providing sounds testimony and evidence.
What the lawyers are giving for statements and what testimony was given seem so contradictory: "The department is taking a one-size-fits-all, cookie-cutter approach to all these parents when they are individuals and individual families," one attorney said. Yet earlier in the article, Bruce Perry gave testimony that each individual case needs to be looked at - and this testimony was given to advise the judge on what to order the state to do.
Lastly, considering the FLDS are a rather closed community, it would seem imprudent to comment on their beliefs, choices, and culture when we know so little, can only assume so much, and have such a variety of accounts as to what truly goes on in their communities.
Both state officials and the FLDS, especially their lawyers, are not making things easy. The FLDS are trying to play the sympathy card, and it sounds like it's working. State officials, meanwhile, are having a hard time trying to keep their heads above water with providing sounds testimony and evidence.
What the lawyers are giving for statements and what testimony was given seem so contradictory: "The department is taking a one-size-fits-all, cookie-cutter approach to all these parents when they are individuals and individual families," one attorney said. Yet earlier in the article, Bruce Perry gave testimony that each individual case needs to be looked at - and this testimony was given to advise the judge on what to order the state to do.
Lastly, considering the FLDS are a rather closed community, it would seem imprudent to comment on their beliefs, choices, and culture when we know so little, can only assume so much, and have such a variety of accounts as to what truly goes on in their communities.
ACLU? | 11:14 p.m. April 18, 2008
Clearly there have been some loss of civil rights here, right? Where is the
omnipresent ACLU?
uhmmm | 12:10 a.m. April 19, 2008
In looking at the FLDS women leaving the courthouse today, one was smiling alot
and kept smiling.
Not saying that this is related but I wonder what went through their (the FLDS women) minds when they witnessed a WOMAN in CHARGE of the entire proceeding? (Judge Barbara Walther) ... A WOMAN being totally respected by and in charge of male lawyers! ... Judge Walther does not take ANY nonsense from ANY lawyer male or female.
Not saying that this is related but I wonder what went through their (the FLDS women) minds when they witnessed a WOMAN in CHARGE of the entire proceeding? (Judge Barbara Walther) ... A WOMAN being totally respected by and in charge of male lawyers! ... Judge Walther does not take ANY nonsense from ANY lawyer male or female.
Hey Mary | 12:13 a.m. April 19, 2008
Marriage is often a personal thing. Not everyone giggles, hugs and gets sisters
involved. It is a sacred union between a man and woman, and if one feels, may
have the power of angels attending. Let us not generalize what it must be in
order to be 'right' for that couple. I, eloped with the love of my
life on a beautiful spring day. It was perfect. Every single year on that date,
we revisited the spot because the memory was and is still so exquisite. Marriage
can be a very personal matter, and a promise made before the God which you
believe in. It is not always necessary to have all of the fanfare for the
meaning to be eternal. I would never go back in time and do it any other way.
But, to each her own. I only which others could have the private and peaceful
happiness which we shared.
If...then | 12:18 a.m. April 19, 2008
If the FLDS are good, honest people just trying to live their religion, why do
they beat around the bush when it comes to saying who their children are...and
how do little children know how to skirt around who they belong to...they
don't think this up on their own...someone (parent's maybe) has taught
them to beat around the bush about their identites. There is to much being
covered up...there is obviously a problem of some kind. I am sorry that innocent
children have to be taken from their homes, but there is something fishy here
that needs to be taken care of.
Foster Mom | 6:38 a.m. April 19, 2008
I keep thinking about the children. We have parented over 40 children over the
years. While I cannot condone their lifestyle, I cannot condone the wholesale
removal from family either. Without exception, in the very worst of
circumstances, the most traumatic event my children have lived through is the
removal from their parents. They never recover from that. It impairs their
ability to trust and attach, and therefore their sense of values and society. If
Texas thinks they have strained the budgets now--wait till these children reach
adolescence and beyond. We cannot begin to count the exponential costs to these
children and to society both emotionally and financially. My hearts break for
them. Regardless of what we believe, their lives to them, are "normal"
and we have just destroyed these children's stability. I am so sad for the
children.
May | 8:14 a.m. April 19, 2008
Someone needs to judge these actions.
It's not ok to for anyone to treat children this way.
It is our responsiblity to stand up and say this is wrong, and we need law inforcement to put a stop to harming children who can't and are not allowed to stand up for themselves.
It's not ok to for anyone to treat children this way.
It is our responsiblity to stand up and say this is wrong, and we need law inforcement to put a stop to harming children who can't and are not allowed to stand up for themselves.
What's going on | 10:29 a.m. April 19, 2008
In Arizona, many cases of statuatory rape were dropped because the girl refused
to testify against Jeffs and the husband. What's going on in Texas is that
no victim is coming forward, no witnesses to bolster their claims. So
authorities are keeping the kids away from the mothers, who have been raised
from birth to feel that having and taking care of children is their only purpose
in life. Eventually the mothers will break and flip on the fathers so they can
have their children back. Their children are their reason for being...you can
see it in their eyes. So this brainwashing of women should backfire on the FLDS
men.
Dougway | 10:49 a.m. April 19, 2008
The FubarLDS have had ample warning to modify their practices to fit the laws of
this land. As far as having multiple 'affairs' outside of their
original marriage, that's between the man, his wife and his girlfriends.
All they had to do was let the girls grow up to the same age our military allows
enlistment and let them decide for themselves.
Julie | 10:11 p.m. April 20, 2008
But who is next? If they can remove children for being "potentially"
in danger of "emotional harm", where does it end? And who decides
what is emotional harm?
For those underage girls who are being forced to marry against their will, there must be in place a way for them to escape, yes. But to remove a 6 year old because there is the "potential" for abuse is wrong. A very slippery slope.
For those underage girls who are being forced to marry against their will, there must be in place a way for them to escape, yes. But to remove a 6 year old because there is the "potential" for abuse is wrong. A very slippery slope.
don | 8:23 p.m. April 28, 2008
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