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Oh boy | 10:56 a.m. April 18, 2008
The fake or real phone call is an issue. A signed warrant under false
accusation is unconstitutional. If the only reasonable cause is found to be a
false accusation by an anonymous soucre and there is no other authority beyond
this for the warrant, then not only the warrant could go, all details recovered
from the raid could be thrown out of court. Years of efforts to build a case
could be lost by this. This could effectively destroy any case against FLDS for
abuse. So while abuse is the issue, it could all fall apart now.
Let's hope Law enforcement had more to go on than just a single anonymous call.
Let's hope Law enforcement had more to go on than just a single anonymous call.
Anonymous | 11:04 a.m. April 18, 2008
Daniel,
There were 416 children removed. You think this whole thing is blown way out... based on 10 children? They have to start someplace. Would you have them start with their most sensational and "news worthy" first or do you think it would be better to go for the "big finish" thing?
Perhaps they are starting with the presumed oldest children first and moving on from there.
There were 416 children removed. You think this whole thing is blown way out... based on 10 children? They have to start someplace. Would you have them start with their most sensational and "news worthy" first or do you think it would be better to go for the "big finish" thing?
Perhaps they are starting with the presumed oldest children first and moving on from there.
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Water Torture! | 11:06 a.m. April 18, 2008
Why do so many people think this is sad? Did you not see interview on CNN today
with Carolyn Jessop and hear how her "husband" water tortured babies?
Did you not hear the accounts of abuse? Why are you all torn up about children
being taken out of abusive circumstances? I think it's great and should
have been done 20 years earliet. It's about time someone does something.
Thank You JesseJame | 11:12 a.m. April 18, 2008
Hit the nail right on the head. Cultural relativism is steeling our liberty.
Lynn | 11:34 a.m. April 18, 2008
Ummmm It has nto been confirmed yet that she is the same "sarah" that
placed the call. Texas should be releasing more info later.
Oh and BTW yes I am on a vendetta against CHILD ABUSE!
Oh and BTW yes I am on a vendetta against CHILD ABUSE!
Sandy & Family | 11:50 a.m. April 18, 2008
Although we do not live the lifestyle this group leads and may not agree with
all of it we do believe these people have the same rights as we do. We have a
constitution in place that gives us our freedom. If you try to take their rights
then you are wrong. The law and the state were wrong in the handling of this
matter. They created their own problem and have done major injustice to this
group of parents and children. They need to let them all get back to their
lives. God gave them their children just as he gave us ours and they love them.
There is no way 416 children were all abused. The law overstepped their
boundaries in this case by a long shot. These people deserve justice not hatred
because they are different. Hate Crimes ring a bell. We can't focus on one
group when there are many beliefs these days. Everyone who has an alternative
lifestyle is allowed to raise their children and FLDS parents have that same
right.
anonymous | 12:01 p.m. April 18, 2008
I keep reading how the phone call from "Sarah" was a hoax. Where did
that come from? I guess I missed the official announcement. As to how this
girl could have gotten phone numbers. Am I the only one who noticed the laptop
computer open on the dresser of one of the girls in the video where the unibrow
person is showing us around their "home"? Am I the only one who
caught the part about "computers", etc being confiscated in the
original raid? Also I thought that these people "shunned the outside
world. Cell phones and computers seem pretty worldy to me, especially coming
from this little live stock operation.
To Anonymous | 12:30 p.m. April 18, 2008
"Daniel,
There were 416 children removed. You think this whole thing is blown way out... based on 10 children? They have to start someplace. Would you have them start with their most sensational and "news worthy" first or do you think it would be better to go for the "big finish" thing?
Perhaps they are starting with the presumed oldest children first and moving on from there."
I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say, but a child custody hearing is not a rock concert. They're not there to keep people on the edge of their seats as they prime them for the climax. If they had conclusive evidence they would share it. The affidavit clearly makes the abuse seem far more widespread than the state is now showing. They claimed to have witnessed a pattern of abusive behavior, but they have shown none of that. They have shown a psychiatrist who thinks that teenagers shouldn't have children, but they haven't shown any underage mothers or wives. Of course it's possible that they could bring forward some earth shattering evidence in the future, but based on what we've seen already, I doubt it.
There were 416 children removed. You think this whole thing is blown way out... based on 10 children? They have to start someplace. Would you have them start with their most sensational and "news worthy" first or do you think it would be better to go for the "big finish" thing?
Perhaps they are starting with the presumed oldest children first and moving on from there."
I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say, but a child custody hearing is not a rock concert. They're not there to keep people on the edge of their seats as they prime them for the climax. If they had conclusive evidence they would share it. The affidavit clearly makes the abuse seem far more widespread than the state is now showing. They claimed to have witnessed a pattern of abusive behavior, but they have shown none of that. They have shown a psychiatrist who thinks that teenagers shouldn't have children, but they haven't shown any underage mothers or wives. Of course it's possible that they could bring forward some earth shattering evidence in the future, but based on what we've seen already, I doubt it.
To Other Anonymous | 12:33 p.m. April 18, 2008
Yes, there are computers, but computers don't automatically mean the
internet. Unless you're privy to some information that the rest of the
world is not, perhaps you should refrain from making broad and sweeping
assumptions.
Bobby | 1:06 p.m. April 18, 2008
Finally Sarah is safe now, in el paso county jail.
Police state of Texas | 1:04 p.m. April 18, 2008
So is Texas going to give the cell phones back, now this turns out to be
garbage.
The Texan | 1:10 p.m. April 18, 2008
The court papers are SEALED.
Stop guessing.
Abuse was found. Sarah is irrelevant to the investigation. How do you explain away pregnant girls in the 13-16 age range? You don't. It's called against the law.
Stop guessing.
Abuse was found. Sarah is irrelevant to the investigation. How do you explain away pregnant girls in the 13-16 age range? You don't. It's called against the law.
pjredhead | 1:16 p.m. April 18, 2008
the original warrant was issued based on the phone call and a 4 yr investigation
with an inside informant....
the subsequent warrant was issued when law enforcement saw what appeared to be underaged pregnant females.....
i feel for these kids but having dealt with cps in another state...it isnt innocent until proven guilty with cps it is the exact opposite...
they take the children then sort out the facts...you can spend years trying to clear your good name and get your kids back
as for what is occuring in texas none of us have all the facts we only have what is being reported in the media, so we do not know what is really happening there...
i hope for the sake of these children that it is sorted out more sooner than later
the subsequent warrant was issued when law enforcement saw what appeared to be underaged pregnant females.....
i feel for these kids but having dealt with cps in another state...it isnt innocent until proven guilty with cps it is the exact opposite...
they take the children then sort out the facts...you can spend years trying to clear your good name and get your kids back
as for what is occuring in texas none of us have all the facts we only have what is being reported in the media, so we do not know what is really happening there...
i hope for the sake of these children that it is sorted out more sooner than later
G | 1:40 p.m. April 18, 2008
To "The Texan"
CPS *alleges* that some women were under 18. CPS has made a lot of similar allegations so far that tend to undermine their credibility.
That's not proof, and under the law the accused are innocent until proven guilty. Except, apparently, in Texas.
CPS *alleges* that some women were under 18. CPS has made a lot of similar allegations so far that tend to undermine their credibility.
That's not proof, and under the law the accused are innocent until proven guilty. Except, apparently, in Texas.
Razor | 1:53 p.m. April 18, 2008
The legal problem for the State is that removing children from families on an
emergency basis without a full hearing and proof of abuse can occur only if
children are in "imminent" danger. That is the law in Texas. The
State has at least an argument based on what officials saw at the ranch that
girls between the ages of 12 and just under 18 were in such danger. But nothing
in the press or affidavits suggests they had evidence the other children (males
of any age or females under 12) were in any such danger. That is going to be a
huge problem for the State in the coming legal proceedings. The State should
have seized only the teenage girls on an emergency basis and then brought
additional suits to remove the others if it thought it could prove (unlikely)
that the entire compound and religion constitute child abuse. Texas probably
went too far and is now going to be in serious legal trouble.
OOOPS | 2:23 p.m. April 18, 2008
Do officials in Texas not understand technology? It is easy to trace where a
call came from. I wonder if they did any investigation to validate the source.
It looks to me like Texas officials were waiting with their fingers on the
trigger hoping for any opportunity (true or not) to bust into the FLDS lives.
Investigate child abuse. Help children in need. Validate claims before
destroying lives. What Texas officials did is flat out wrong. Good intensions,
but way out of bounds.
snickerdoodle | 2:24 p.m. April 18, 2008
you know what --
I don't care whether the call was a fake.
. . . should we send everyone back?
snickerdoodle wants your answers.
I don't care whether the call was a fake.
. . . should we send everyone back?
snickerdoodle wants your answers.
Duh | 2:46 p.m. April 18, 2008
Hey Nae, You say the fact is that some of these girls are being abused. That
fact has not been established.
A missing voice | 3:29 p.m. April 18, 2008
I am a polygamous wife and mom. I wonder what is so wrong about little girls
being taught that the most honorable thing they can do when they grow up is to
get married and have children? And in that order!! There are so many worse
things girls can and do do with their lives.
My older children have gone out into the world and made it a better place by their contributions. My younger ones are working hard to get good grades in school and follow in the footsteps of their older siblings.
As for me, I am seeing my lifelong desire being accomplished!
Again, please tell me, what is so wrong with a young girl having a goal of getting married and raising a family?
My older children have gone out into the world and made it a better place by their contributions. My younger ones are working hard to get good grades in school and follow in the footsteps of their older siblings.
As for me, I am seeing my lifelong desire being accomplished!
Again, please tell me, what is so wrong with a young girl having a goal of getting married and raising a family?
To Archaea Cougarguard | 3:38 p.m. April 18, 2008
You seem to be one of the few on here who is actually paying attention to what
is going on. Did I dream it or is there actually a warrant from the Federal
Govt. involved in this also? I seem to remember that the attorney for the FLDS
was going to try and quash the original warrant in court last week, but
wasn't able to because a federal warrant had been filed.
Agrandma | 3:59 p.m. April 18, 2008
Everyday I see or read of young kids 12 or 13 years of age (both male and
female) who have created a baby. Some are with older men and women, some with
their peers.
Who are their role models?
As long as we condone half dressed,drunken, druggies to be the role models for our children and do not give them a sound moral base, this will continue.
No, I do not believe in poligamy, but neither do I believe in all these children and mothers being rounded up on the basis of a whispered anonemous phone call.
According to the media, the children are being subjected to physicals---(checking virginity?).
"Do not ask for whom the bell tolls. It tolleth for thee."
Who are their role models?
As long as we condone half dressed,drunken, druggies to be the role models for our children and do not give them a sound moral base, this will continue.
No, I do not believe in poligamy, but neither do I believe in all these children and mothers being rounded up on the basis of a whispered anonemous phone call.
According to the media, the children are being subjected to physicals---(checking virginity?).
"Do not ask for whom the bell tolls. It tolleth for thee."
Nokia add? | 4:09 p.m. April 18, 2008
The Nokia add on this blog was nice. Thanks DN. The Ape looks more up-lifting
then listening to FLDS nut cases on here.
Re: to other anonymous | 4:17 p.m. April 18, 2008
I don't know about your phone but my cell phone has the capability that I
can call directory assistance and get any number that I choose to call.....and
they will even dial it for me.
To Archaea Cougarguard again | 4:32 p.m. April 18, 2008
Just found out that the fed. govt did issue a warrant and it was opened along
with the original state warrant. So, in your opinion, what bearing if any, will
that have on this case. Just curious....
Anonymous | 4:34 p.m. April 18, 2008
Give me a "T" for Texas.
Bill | 4:47 p.m. April 18, 2008
SnickerDoodle
I'm on your side!
I think those kids need mental counseling and help in the worst way. They need to be free to think for themselves and not the way of the perversion of the FLDS. I'm not certain that sending them back home is a wise thing to do. However, they may not have enough to keep all of them in custody. We will have to wait it out and see.
It's terrible for those kids any way you look at it.
I'm on your side!
I think those kids need mental counseling and help in the worst way. They need to be free to think for themselves and not the way of the perversion of the FLDS. I'm not certain that sending them back home is a wise thing to do. However, they may not have enough to keep all of them in custody. We will have to wait it out and see.
It's terrible for those kids any way you look at it.
To Layola | 5:04 p.m. April 18, 2008
Do you believe in the Bible? If you do, you need to tear out the entire book of
Genesis as well as other Old testament Books? Was Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David,
and Solomon conducting Slave Farms? I don't think so! The Bible is
accepted nearly World Wide and Genesis is among them.
Anonymous | 5:25 p.m. April 18, 2008
I guess everyone that believes in the Bible can consider themselves as cults
too! You believe Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to be prophets and they were
polygamists. They are a prelude to your religions. I guess all Christian
religions are Cults! I believe that of course they're not cults, but the
way some of you talk, you'd think you never cracked open the Bible a day in
your life. Or maybe you've forgotten that those accounts are found in
there.
UNLV-polyg-kid | 6:33 p.m. April 18, 2008
Yeah, I grew up in Colorado City. I, nor my family was ever part of the FLDS,
but it was a no-brainer for us, that the call was a hoax! I don't agree
with any abuses that the FLDS commit. But I sure as hell don't think that
they need to agree with what I, or any other religion believes. It seems matter
what we think of thier modest clothes? I garrantee that polygamy doesn't =
Abuse. If anyone would like me to challenge me, then let me know. I will gladly
invite you into the house where I grew up. It might just change your
perspective. There is not ONE person that I have EVER gotten to know,(no matter
what thier religion) that, after seeing how me, as well as the polygamist family
that I grew up in, has ever been reluctant to say that "polygamy", in
and of it's self, should be "decriminalized". Before, any of you
use this "mob" mentality; please don't do it based off of a
warped opinion, of which you have gotten from the media. Take me up on my offer.
Maybe get a view, other than that the media wants you to have.
Derrick | 11:14 p.m. April 18, 2008
This phone call was a hoax.
The raid was illegal.
The FLDS ranch is being persecuted by evangelical Christians who have a conflict of interest. To them this is just another Christian crusade.
Could you imagine if all the children were rounded up from a Muslim school or community because of teachings or abuse of a couple kids. CAIR, the ACLU and other Muslim groups would make everyone pay. The fact is that the FLDS are easy targets and don't have an external legal support system.
The raid was illegal.
The FLDS ranch is being persecuted by evangelical Christians who have a conflict of interest. To them this is just another Christian crusade.
Could you imagine if all the children were rounded up from a Muslim school or community because of teachings or abuse of a couple kids. CAIR, the ACLU and other Muslim groups would make everyone pay. The fact is that the FLDS are easy targets and don't have an external legal support system.
Sammax | 11:08 p.m. April 18, 2008
Just because the "government" says they found evidence of something
means nothing. What was the real reason the government killed 80+ people in
Waco? There was no good reason except the people there did not conform to to
the government. This is the same thing - conform or else!!! The authorities
fabricate evidence - the media lap-dogs go along and report it and the
sheep-like public buys it. All those that do not conform get screwed. Its a
pattern people wake-up and see it.
dinotoad | 11:46 p.m. April 18, 2008
For those of you who justify this "Raid" because of
"Brainwashing" then you must advocate the abolition of all religion
and the Department of Education also.
T in Texas | 11:58 p.m. April 18, 2008
To "a missing voice"...
Thank you for your comments. I think most of us truly appreciate hearing your perspective on this.
To your comments...I don't believe that anyone on this site or in the media has alleged there there is a problem with girls choosing to get married, and raise a family. That would imply that the anger and outrage is directed at the girls - when that is clearly not the case.
People are angry at any adults that don't allow these girls to make that very "choice". The State of Texas has decided that a girl can't legally make that choice (marriage) until she is 16 years old. Any "marriage" and/or sexual relations with an older man before that age is considered "forced", is illegal, and is a form of sexual abuse of children.
I say this only as an explanation of the many people's anger and do not presume to know if these allegations are true. I'm sure that you know the situation better than I do. Many of us are yet to see convincing public evidence that these alleged actions were indeed condoned common practices and remain sympathetic to the families that have been separated.
Thank you for your comments. I think most of us truly appreciate hearing your perspective on this.
To your comments...I don't believe that anyone on this site or in the media has alleged there there is a problem with girls choosing to get married, and raise a family. That would imply that the anger and outrage is directed at the girls - when that is clearly not the case.
People are angry at any adults that don't allow these girls to make that very "choice". The State of Texas has decided that a girl can't legally make that choice (marriage) until she is 16 years old. Any "marriage" and/or sexual relations with an older man before that age is considered "forced", is illegal, and is a form of sexual abuse of children.
I say this only as an explanation of the many people's anger and do not presume to know if these allegations are true. I'm sure that you know the situation better than I do. Many of us are yet to see convincing public evidence that these alleged actions were indeed condoned common practices and remain sympathetic to the families that have been separated.
Molon Labe | 5:04 a.m. April 19, 2008
If I was the Chief Nutjob in the Texas compound, I'd have everyone claim to
be a Muslim. The cops would go away, quick, and we could then conduct
"honor killings" as well as arrange marriages.
When did Nifong move to Texas?
Double standard? You bet. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
When did Nifong move to Texas?
Double standard? You bet. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
To: A missing voice | 8:24 a.m. April 19, 2008
You state:
"I wonder what is so wrong about little girls being taught that the most honorable thing they can do when they grow up is to get married and have children? And in that order!!"
I would like to point out the problem... It appears many of the girls in the FLDS compound are still LITTLE girls and already "married with children". They have not been given a chance to grow up. That is the thing that is so WRONG with this.
Many religions promote marriage and children. Most of the people I know are not "OK" with the Spears family and their choices.
Children should not be having children. Children should not be abused. Children should not be forced or even told to marry a cousin.
To the FLDS: There are MANY relgions with good people and good morals.
"I wonder what is so wrong about little girls being taught that the most honorable thing they can do when they grow up is to get married and have children? And in that order!!"
I would like to point out the problem... It appears many of the girls in the FLDS compound are still LITTLE girls and already "married with children". They have not been given a chance to grow up. That is the thing that is so WRONG with this.
Many religions promote marriage and children. Most of the people I know are not "OK" with the Spears family and their choices.
Children should not be having children. Children should not be abused. Children should not be forced or even told to marry a cousin.
To the FLDS: There are MANY relgions with good people and good morals.
Anonymous | 8:59 a.m. April 19, 2008
It is beyond me how any of you people can possibly believe the State of Texas is
in the wrong here.
I hope that if any of you make a desperate call to authorities for help; they don't drag their feet and wait on an 'investigation' before they lend you assistance.
The children that have been removed have really nothing to do with this call. Once they were 'in', and had every right to be there, they found abuse.
Point blank.
I hope that if any of you make a desperate call to authorities for help; they don't drag their feet and wait on an 'investigation' before they lend you assistance.
The children that have been removed have really nothing to do with this call. Once they were 'in', and had every right to be there, they found abuse.
Point blank.
Rikki | 10:13 a.m. April 19, 2008
Maybe the catalyst for the raid WAS a hoax. That doesn't change the fact
that CPS investigators found indications of abuse. I guess a bunch of teens
having babies of their own all over the place, by adult men is a-OK, as long as
some dude who calls himself a prophet says so.
Who is this Sheriff | 12:21 p.m. April 19, 2008
Get a reporter to ask Clarence and Phyllis Swinton of Nashville, Tn., about
their daughter Courtney (Rozita) Swinton? Do some background on this nutjob.
A county judge and sheriff acting in concert in the state of Texas can violate just about any law they want and get away with it at least for a couple of years!!!
Childprotective services is "quasi" legal. All of law enforcement knows this but they back them up because so much of child abuse goes unchecked. There is plenty of work for Childprotective services to do in Texas and if there is even one case of abuse in Eldorado then lets hear about that case! Tell us about a single case! This is a religious raid.
A county judge and sheriff acting in concert in the state of Texas can violate just about any law they want and get away with it at least for a couple of years!!!
Childprotective services is "quasi" legal. All of law enforcement knows this but they back them up because so much of child abuse goes unchecked. There is plenty of work for Childprotective services to do in Texas and if there is even one case of abuse in Eldorado then lets hear about that case! Tell us about a single case! This is a religious raid.
A Missing Voice | 8:14 p.m. April 19, 2008
I fully agree that a girl should be allowed to grow up before becoming a mother,
and I don't condone child abuse. But as was stated, the allegations that
these girls are being married at 12-15 are just that...allegations. I have not
heard of any marriages that young except in cases where a couple teenagers got
fooling around and she got pregnant. Yes, those things do happen among our
people.
I do not condone child abuse in any way, but it does happen just like in any society. As far as Carolyn Blackmore's story of abuse...maybe her husband did that kind of stuff (My grandpa used that form of "water punishment", and in the old school it was acceptable) but that doesn't mean we all do. A lot of us have done just what a lot of other parents around the world have done, and gotten educated on how to effectively and appropriatly discipline our children. Times have changed, and children have to be dealt with differently. My mother told me time and again that my job was to improve on her parenting skills, and I have...I also tell my children the same.
PLEASE DON'T BELIEVE ALL YOU HEAR!
I do not condone child abuse in any way, but it does happen just like in any society. As far as Carolyn Blackmore's story of abuse...maybe her husband did that kind of stuff (My grandpa used that form of "water punishment", and in the old school it was acceptable) but that doesn't mean we all do. A lot of us have done just what a lot of other parents around the world have done, and gotten educated on how to effectively and appropriatly discipline our children. Times have changed, and children have to be dealt with differently. My mother told me time and again that my job was to improve on her parenting skills, and I have...I also tell my children the same.
PLEASE DON'T BELIEVE ALL YOU HEAR!
Save Families | 1:42 a.m. April 20, 2008
This CPS industry is so large and powerful that our only hope of defeating it is
that it will no longer receive tax-funding when our entire economy collapses due
to systemic corruption at the highest levels, moral bankruptcy, destruction of
the American family, and enormous debt-funding associated with costs of the
military, welfare, family court and prison-industrial complex. I hope Texas is
the first state to go bankrupt, and I hope it�s this case
that is the straw to break the camel�s back.
Eva | 12:44 p.m. April 20, 2008
I would like to give Ms. Swinton a big hug! Rozita is a Hero! These blog
comments are filled with "my rights." We have HUMAN RIGHTS in this
country that far outway your personal so-called religious rights. Men and WOMEN
have the right to choose their own spouse (note--singular). We have the right to
choose who we have children with, and the right to keep those children (not
other peoples' at the whim of a leader). We have laws to protect our
children. From rape. From incest. From slavery. From brainwashing. From the
horrors of these compounds hiding behind a religious veil. God bless and keep
Rozita Swinton!
Democracy At Work | 9:07 a.m. April 21, 2008
Ref:Dave
Ironic isn't it, that Texas, home of the Alamo, would become an inititiatory benchmark for the decline of individual rights and freedoms. What we are witnessing now is just the beginning of major declines to come. Though the attacks on 9/11 were from without, the enemies within our own government have used terror as a trump card.......now they are attacking religion.......two for the price of one.
Ironic isn't it, that Texas, home of the Alamo, would become an inititiatory benchmark for the decline of individual rights and freedoms. What we are witnessing now is just the beginning of major declines to come. Though the attacks on 9/11 were from without, the enemies within our own government have used terror as a trump card.......now they are attacking religion.......two for the price of one.
Jo | 12:13 p.m. April 21, 2008
Where is due process?
Where is The Constitution?
Where is religious freedom?
Evidently...not in Texas!
Where is The Constitution?
Where is religious freedom?
Evidently...not in Texas!
One Not Confused | 1:59 p.m. April 21, 2008
Ref: The other Anonymous
You've got the FLDS confused with AMISH....They're meanings of unworldly are totally different. FLDS drive cars, use electricity..... and modern conveniences such as computors....Amish do not.....period.
You've got the FLDS confused with AMISH....They're meanings of unworldly are totally different. FLDS drive cars, use electricity..... and modern conveniences such as computors....Amish do not.....period.
Brian | 12:15 a.m. April 22, 2008
I have a real problem with the way they handled this can you say
"Waco"! You recieve a singular allegation do not investigate
it's origination until 2 weeks after, you take all women and children out
of their home seperate, seperate them, and then you have a child custody hearing
based for all the kids! I do not approve of the FLDS religion and their
practices, but they are citizens right! Should we not treat them as such!
Police do your job, verify things to a certain extent before you take your tanks in and seperate families in the process of looking for a person that doesn't exist!
Police do your job, verify things to a certain extent before you take your tanks in and seperate families in the process of looking for a person that doesn't exist!
DebinCO | 12:25 a.m. April 24, 2008
If they discover that this was "Lynn," who made the abuse phone call,
then they should return the children to their families! Immediately! Do you have
any idea of how horrible it's going to be for them in "foster"
care? That's an oxymoron if I ever heard one! If any abuse is going to
happen, FC is where it will happen.
I really don't care if these people want to be polygamous and live away from society; that's their business and certainly none of ours or the State, or the Government!
Send the children home!
I really don't care if these people want to be polygamous and live away from society; that's their business and certainly none of ours or the State, or the Government!
Send the children home!
Marty | 2:34 p.m. April 24, 2008
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy
neighbour."..................
But if you do, The Supreme Court will support the use of evidence found during the investigation to file (even un-related) charges.
Nobody is immune. It just takes one person (who doesn't like you) to disrupt your whole life!
But if you do, The Supreme Court will support the use of evidence found during the investigation to file (even un-related) charges.
Nobody is immune. It just takes one person (who doesn't like you) to disrupt your whole life!
Ann | 6:48 a.m. May 13, 2008
Look at the facts. There are numerous children under the age of 17 and at least
as young as 14 who have had one or two kids and some who are pregnant. Do the
math...this is statatory rape no matter how you cut it. This is a felony and
the perpetrators should be charged. The sad part about all of this is that
these children have basically been hostages because the compound was closed off
to the outside world and they were unable to cry for help. This alone is abuse
---for all of you with daughters out there - how would you feel if your daughter
was forced to "marry" an older man and started having children...one
after another after another. The only way to find the perpetrators was to ID
everyone with genetic tests because no one would confess who they were related
to. In addition, they are discovering other abuses to very young children that
are unconscionable. This type thing can easily happen in closed communities
with powerful leaders. This country allows freedom of religion but it is
illegal to abuse and rape children.
johnp | 11:41 p.m. May 14, 2008
How did rozita swinton post a 20,000 bond?
I don't believe any of the abuse allegations are founded in any truth yet. This has all appearances of a witch hunt. Polygamy is illegal? How about all teen pregnancies? Are they illegal, should they become illegal in the future? Name what you want...just these teens pregnancies illegal? All teen pregnancies illegal?
Stop demonizing people because we are too cool to understand this incident.
These people have been apparently terrorized for nothing. The awful thing is this: These were american citizens. When do we think someone will accuse us of something? Were they served a warrant?
I don't believe any of the abuse allegations are founded in any truth yet. This has all appearances of a witch hunt. Polygamy is illegal? How about all teen pregnancies? Are they illegal, should they become illegal in the future? Name what you want...just these teens pregnancies illegal? All teen pregnancies illegal?
Stop demonizing people because we are too cool to understand this incident.
These people have been apparently terrorized for nothing. The awful thing is this: These were american citizens. When do we think someone will accuse us of something? Were they served a warrant?
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to anonymous phone calls. I'm surprised that more of our enemies don't have phone banks calling in bomb threats, molestations, tax evasion, etc. We need to use some common sense. It is way to easy for some nut, criminal or terrorist to yank law enforcement's chain.