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Is arrest tied to FLDS raid, phone calls?
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Lynn | 1:01 a.m. April 18, 2008
Regardless if this video is true, This still will not do anything to the case.
Because, when they went in originally they were looking for a sarah. They had
the search warrnet and acted in good faith, to look for sarah and anything that
pertained to her. When they found that the other children were being abused,
they went and got another search warrent. The authorites went in under
"valid suspicion" or "Just cause" They went in originally
"in good faith" which means that they did not go in to delbritly
harrass these people.. How were they to know that if in fact this story is true,
that it was a hoax? How were they to know that???? CPS has a duty to investigate
ALL claims of abuse, and thats what they were doing. So this "new
development" will not affect the case one bit. Because there was bause
going on, therefore the warrents still Stand.
Daniel | 1:04 a.m. April 18, 2008
I think the authorities in Texas are going to drag their feet pursuing this one
if it turns out she is responsible for the Texas raid. Going after her right now
would cause too much turmoil for the hearing, but I don't see how
they're going to be able to ignore it. Funny that in Arizona when the story
didn't match up the cops found the person responsible. In Texas when the
story didn't match up they signed a warrant to storm the place with the
SWAT team and an armored truck. Just so everyone is aware, the girl who
catalyzed the Texas raid used two different last names in two different calls,
used vernacular the FLDS don't use (they call us "gentiles," not
"outsiders," and they don't celebrate Easter, even though the
girl in the call said the last time she was abused was "Easter
Sunday"), and accused a man known not to have been to Texas during the time
of the alleged abuse. I anticipate this woman will turn out to be the elusive
"Sarah."
M | 1:38 a.m. April 18, 2008
This whole witch hunt will unravel -- this is just the first thread come undone.
The testimony from today's custody hearing was remarkable for how
tendentious the state's claims are. The best news from the coverage of the
today's hearing is that it sounds as if several of the attorneys for the
children and parents actually understand the 14th Amendment.
My prediction: Texas ends up paying the FLDS $85 million to settle 12000 due process violations.
My prediction: Texas ends up paying the FLDS $85 million to settle 12000 due process violations.
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whatsthefacts | 5:14 a.m. April 18, 2008
lynn
so just anybody can make a call and say that "Lynn" is being abusive so CPS, under "valid suspicion" or "just cause" and "in good faith" make investigations and find "new developement" and take all that is precious and dear from you and you don't feel there is a wrong???? Get Real!!!!
so just anybody can make a call and say that "Lynn" is being abusive so CPS, under "valid suspicion" or "just cause" and "in good faith" make investigations and find "new developement" and take all that is precious and dear from you and you don't feel there is a wrong???? Get Real!!!!
Anonymous | 5:28 a.m. April 18, 2008
There is nothing "good faith" about what the Texas sheriff and judge
did. The texas sheriff obtained a warrant without doing any due diligence to
find out if the alegations were potentially true. The judge then issued a
warrant that was both bogus and unreasonably broad. Any evidence subsequently
obtained is "fruit of the poisonous tree".
The FLDS ranch was then subjected to a search and siezure proceedure that violated the 4th ammendment. Kidnaping 416 kids because they might be abused in the future simply can't be legally justified. While most people (including me) don't agree with the FLDS lifestyle, they are American citizens and have constitutional rights.
I hope the good people of Texas recall the sheriff and the judge that are responsible for this mess and the FLDS lawyers sue the socks off the county that elected these people.
What is next? Under the philosophy of the the Texas CPS is using, all children should be taken away from catholic families because they there is a potential that thier children may be abused in the future by pedophile priests.
The FLDS ranch was then subjected to a search and siezure proceedure that violated the 4th ammendment. Kidnaping 416 kids because they might be abused in the future simply can't be legally justified. While most people (including me) don't agree with the FLDS lifestyle, they are American citizens and have constitutional rights.
I hope the good people of Texas recall the sheriff and the judge that are responsible for this mess and the FLDS lawyers sue the socks off the county that elected these people.
What is next? Under the philosophy of the the Texas CPS is using, all children should be taken away from catholic families because they there is a potential that thier children may be abused in the future by pedophile priests.
Silliness | 5:39 a.m. April 18, 2008
@ Lynn.
I don't know, maybe they could have looked at their caller ID and seen that the phone number was from Colorado Springs and not the ranch. They could have traced the call back to her between the week the call was made, instead of just organizing the SWAT procedures without conducting a proper investigation.
I don't know, maybe they could have looked at their caller ID and seen that the phone number was from Colorado Springs and not the ranch. They could have traced the call back to her between the week the call was made, instead of just organizing the SWAT procedures without conducting a proper investigation.
reuel | 6:00 a.m. April 18, 2008
very interesting. the horror show goes on. how sad
Points out a problem | 6:06 a.m. April 18, 2008
Agreed the FLDS case will go forward regardless of the outcome of the subject
hoax caller case. It does, however, point out a problem. Based on a phony call
400 kids were yanked from their homes. This should never happen again. The
harm to frightened children can not be repaired. Let us make sure as a society
that the sanctity of home and family remain protected from "military
like" intrusion.
Don | 7:08 a.m. April 18, 2008
Could it be that, "The Phone Is Mightier Than The Truth". Maybe the
laws by which the various CPS agencies operate,need to be rewritten. Asumming
that
it is proven, there was no criminal abuse, what happens next? Will the state drag this Witch Hunt out further? What about the integrity of Texas Law,
and government. Why should the people obey the law,
when the "Law" is twisted at the will of the Masters
in power? And can one believe the statement of Lynn,
that, it does not matter about the veracity of the purported phone call. Dear Heavens!
it is proven, there was no criminal abuse, what happens next? Will the state drag this Witch Hunt out further? What about the integrity of Texas Law,
and government. Why should the people obey the law,
when the "Law" is twisted at the will of the Masters
in power? And can one believe the statement of Lynn,
that, it does not matter about the veracity of the purported phone call. Dear Heavens!
Lynn Lynn Lynn | 7:24 a.m. April 18, 2008
Lynn,
You seem to be on some sort of vendetta. No concern for the innocent I guess?
You seem to be on some sort of vendetta. No concern for the innocent I guess?
So Sad | 7:21 a.m. April 18, 2008
This whole episode is so sad. The whole thing is backwards; you go in based on a
pretty convincing phone call, they find what I hope was probable cause and take
the children; or treat the call as suspicious, do nothing, and children are
allegedly abused and there they stay. I woud not want to make that
determination. As for tracing the call she used a cell phone and I think that
is a pretty long process to trace the call to the tower ect. Either way these
children are traumatised now what do you do?
Dave | 7:25 a.m. April 18, 2008
It is sad when the thing we have to fear the most is our own government.
Layola | 7:39 a.m. April 18, 2008
I sure hope this cult will be snuffed out unless they get rid of the disgusting
doctrine of polygamy.
Their children need ot be taken away and converted.
No one has the right to have a sex slave farm and call it a religion.
Their children need ot be taken away and converted.
No one has the right to have a sex slave farm and call it a religion.
The drama continues... | 7:40 a.m. April 18, 2008
This makes a little more sense...it still seems odd to me that if those girls on
the ranch have as little access to the outside world as it is said they do - how
would "Sarah" have gotten ahold of all these phone numbers? How would
she have known about the domestic abuse hotline and how to call it? Not to
mention there were so many women in the compound who had cell phones in the
first place -- not QUITE as backwards in some areas of their lives as the media
would have as believe.
to Daniel | 7:43 a.m. April 18, 2008
Have you listened to the phone calls or read transcripts of them? Where is it
proclaimed that the FLDS do not observe Easter Sunday? And the name-changing of
the children interviewed was widespread, according to the social workers and
those who interviewed or spoke directly to the children. You might want to
check your 'facts' next time.
Eddie in TX | 8:04 a.m. April 18, 2008
I don't think it has to do with a hoax phone call but the larger issue is
when the CPS and the authorities arrived on the compound what did they find?
They found pregnant teen girls, they found children married to older adult men,
the educational system in the compound was horrible (cheating these kids out of
an education), plenty of children coming down with chicken pox, boys kicked out
of the house and onto the street (that is abuse in itself) and major sexual
abuse. I mean, heck, you you can get in trouble for having child porn on your
computer.
Why do some of you polyamorous folks stop the jive and see that kids were in danger. To hell with the fake caller. That isn't the issue.
Why do some of you polyamorous folks stop the jive and see that kids were in danger. To hell with the fake caller. That isn't the issue.
Oh Rozita What have you done? | 8:07 a.m. April 18, 2008
OK, Rozita gets bored makes a call and brings down the whole "Ranch",
which in turn costs Texas approx. $30,000 per day. Now Defendants can argue
Illegal search and seizure tie this up in court for years and cost tax payer
millions. All because Rozita was bored. I guess she isn't an American Idol
fan.
Surprise Suprise!! | 8:09 a.m. April 18, 2008
Who would have guessed that the phone call was phoney?
Answer: Anyone with an IQ of more than 60!!
This is one time I would like to see the Feds step in and put a lot of those Texas officials in jail.
Answer: Anyone with an IQ of more than 60!!
This is one time I would like to see the Feds step in and put a lot of those Texas officials in jail.
Ah, who cares? | 8:11 a.m. April 18, 2008
Let's just nail these crazies to the wall anyway, shall we? It'll be
fun! And we can beat our chests afterwards and revel in what tough guys we
are!
Don't mess with Texas, or the children it steals.
On to the reeducation camps to provide them with a more acceptable religion! Parents bite the big one!
Don't mess with Texas, or the children it steals.
On to the reeducation camps to provide them with a more acceptable religion! Parents bite the big one!
snickerdoodle | 8:18 a.m. April 18, 2008
well well well . . . perhaps we have found our Sarah.
This will not have any affect on the case. Police went in. They didn't find Sarah but did find abuse. This authorized them to remove children.
Please listen to reason.
This will not have any affect on the case. Police went in. They didn't find Sarah but did find abuse. This authorized them to remove children.
Please listen to reason.
jusmelaughingatfools | 8:15 a.m. April 18, 2008
And isn't Oklahoma the ver heart of the "Bible" belt? And
aren't most of the people in Oklahoma, like Texas, Baptist?!
"Physician" who was murdering and raping little Mormon girls not that many years ago (150 years isn't that long really) in Missouri,
HEAL THYSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Physician" who was murdering and raping little Mormon girls not that many years ago (150 years isn't that long really) in Missouri,
HEAL THYSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Timmy | 8:22 a.m. April 18, 2008
Layola
"No one has the right to have a sex slave farm and call it a religion"
I hope you don't include Muslims in that statement.
Or people like me, who are Gay.
"No one has the right to have a sex slave farm and call it a religion"
I hope you don't include Muslims in that statement.
Or people like me, who are Gay.
Cosmo | 8:37 a.m. April 18, 2008
The civil rights of these people may have been violated. Texas will pay a hefty
price to these children and families if Sarah turns out to be from Colorado. A
few slick Texas lawyers are getting ready to mount-up for a very profitable
venture.
Constitiuon stands | 8:44 a.m. April 18, 2008
If the DA's case was based on a bogus call, then I would be in court right
now, filing motions to dismiss and get the kids returned within 12 hours.
They'll have to find another way of 'protecting' the kids they
don't give a fig about, but care more about taking down something that is
not evangalical Crhistian.
So... | 8:43 a.m. April 18, 2008
So, even though the phone calls to CPS may have been a hoax, that means that all
these child brides can go back to the ranch and have babies? That still does
not excuse these pedophiles from marrying and impregnating these teenagers.
The bottom line is this - CPS and other Texas officials may have gone about this thing the wrong way, but the fact of the matter is there are still 50 yr. old men marrying these 13, 14, 15 and 16 year old girls, and these teenagers are having babies. The mistakes made by the government do not excuse this cult from breaking the law. They are still breaking the law and they should be dealt with accordingly.
The bottom line is this - CPS and other Texas officials may have gone about this thing the wrong way, but the fact of the matter is there are still 50 yr. old men marrying these 13, 14, 15 and 16 year old girls, and these teenagers are having babies. The mistakes made by the government do not excuse this cult from breaking the law. They are still breaking the law and they should be dealt with accordingly.
ty | 8:49 a.m. April 18, 2008
It can't be that difficult to trace the tower a call came from. My cell
phone bill includes the city every single one of my calls was made from. If it
were so difficult, I guarantee cell carriers would not go to the trouble and
expense of providing such useless information on every person's bill.
Matt in Tucson | 8:55 a.m. April 18, 2008
I am glad to see justice being done. Texas is more fair than I had feared. I
hope the young children and boys will soon be able to return. I also hope they
ensure that underage marriages never take place.
Oh please | 8:55 a.m. April 18, 2008
You people still believe they took those kids based on that phone call alone?
Quit feeling sorry for the FLDS. They had it coming. The vicious cycle of this
so called "faith" needs to end. They hide behind their religion and
allow their young daughters to get married and pregnant.
SLC gal | 8:59 a.m. April 18, 2008
I'm just glad it's a confirmed hoax, and there's not a real Sarah
lying in a shallowly dug grave somewhere for talking.....That woman needs
serious psycological help!!!!!!!!!
Ken | 9:08 a.m. April 18, 2008
Wow! why would this woman have so much hatred for a heretic cult like the FLDS?
Did the FLDS men try to make her one of their wives or what?
Apparently she hates slavery.
Apparently she hates slavery.
Go Longhorns | 9:03 a.m. April 18, 2008
The Texas authorities acted accordingly and need to be commended for taking
appropriate action under the circumstances. The FLDS is a corrupt group of
weirdo�s that commit statutory rape, welfare fraud, and
bigamy. Charges need to be brought up against the group of people hiding behind
a frightening ideology.
Anonymous | 9:06 a.m. April 18, 2008
When a society condones and promotes children having children -
that society is a monstrous one.
that society is a monstrous one.
natejess | 9:15 a.m. April 18, 2008
I wonder....
Why were they so anxious to go in there to take out this group of people? Arizona and Utah have been down this road before and came out with similar results in the 1930's and 50's. This is why AZ and UT are trying different tactics now.
Were the flames of bigotry against any religion with any ties to Joseph Smith fanned from the pulpit of the many evangelical/baptist churches down there during the Romney-Huckabee contest, and is this the result?
Why were they so anxious to go in there to take out this group of people? Arizona and Utah have been down this road before and came out with similar results in the 1930's and 50's. This is why AZ and UT are trying different tactics now.
Were the flames of bigotry against any religion with any ties to Joseph Smith fanned from the pulpit of the many evangelical/baptist churches down there during the Romney-Huckabee contest, and is this the result?
JesseJame | 9:18 a.m. April 18, 2008
Again, the media has to focus on the assumption of 12 year olds married to 50
year olds. Could it be that these 16 years old are married to, say, 20 year
olds. It is not illegal in the state of Texas to marry at the age of 16. All you
nay sayers out there are biased and are simply expressing bigotry. Why not just
focus on the events and exact situation in Eldorado? Instead, you take every
thing you've ever heard or read in the media about these people, and you
attach it to this particular incident wether it's applicable or not. There
is absolutely no Justice in your comments against these people. Your simply
coupling biased judgment with an outrageous lack of understanding and expressing
any kind of tolerance or charity.
Observe | 9:19 a.m. April 18, 2008
Disturbing similarities are starting to develop between the FLDS raid and the
invasion of Iraq.
When the pretext to the act is false (WMDs or "Sarah"), you lose your moral authority.
There may be a million reasons that it was justified, (Saddam was a tyrant, underage marriages are abhorant) but if the core justification is flawed, you are in a boatload of trouble (GW Bush, Texas).
When the pretext to the act is false (WMDs or "Sarah"), you lose your moral authority.
There may be a million reasons that it was justified, (Saddam was a tyrant, underage marriages are abhorant) but if the core justification is flawed, you are in a boatload of trouble (GW Bush, Texas).
Teddy | 9:30 a.m. April 18, 2008
It's way past due for these polygamy cults to be stopped! All you people do
is create chaos and sin in the world. And what's even more sickening about
all this is that you do it in name of God. So how did you folks get Satan mixed
up with God?.... DECEPTION!
Looks like this woman hates Mormons and FLDS for some strange reason.
Looks like this woman hates Mormons and FLDS for some strange reason.
All FOOL on what Texas has done. | 9:31 a.m. April 18, 2008
Both of FLDS and State of Texas is surely mess up, FLDS Leader went lost and
mess up his mind of lead those poeple under him and State of Texas surely such
EGO jump too far before careful with defective to make sure if thing is real of
CAll Report by phone.
Oh man, both is real Foolish.
Deaf Guy
Oh man, both is real Foolish.
Deaf Guy
Julia Gomez | 9:31 a.m. April 18, 2008
This is really a sorry excuse for reporting. The fact that someone was alleged
to have made a false report to police back in February is hardly relevant to a
call made in April. To jump to the conclusion it is is just plain ignorant. I
gather this foolishness started at one of those far Right, screeching web sites
and the so-called journalist for the Deseret News treated it as proof that the
investigation of the FLDS property lacks a basis. Hardly. These are likely two
unrelated matters.
Meanwhile, there is probable cause for the case against the FLDS to go forward based on observations made on the property and evidence seized. Those would enable the continued abuse of children by polygamists need to to stop grasping at straws.
Meanwhile, there is probable cause for the case against the FLDS to go forward based on observations made on the property and evidence seized. Those would enable the continued abuse of children by polygamists need to to stop grasping at straws.
Anonymous | 9:38 a.m. April 18, 2008
Condones Children having children? Ever hear of Jamie Lynne Spears? Good
grief we have a double standard in this country. You can have children at a
young age as long as the father is young? what? Ever hear of anna Nicole
Smith? I guarantee young girls are getting pregnant by old men every day and no
one is screaming about it. This isn't a sex slave thing. I don't
agree with young girls having children either...but come on people.. We need to
get rid of this stupid double standard.
Lumin | 9:49 a.m. April 18, 2008
I find it funny that the ends justify the means here. "If we end up
finding real child abusers, then it didn't matter how the whole thing
started".
So, by that logic, I guess we should start profiling Islamic people at our airports, lock them up and consider them Terrorists, until we can prove their innocence.
We should also raid any fast-food restaurants where Hispanics speaking spanish are working and consider them Illegal. Heck, if it turns out that a few of them are, then that's what matters right?
So, by that logic, I guess we should start profiling Islamic people at our airports, lock them up and consider them Terrorists, until we can prove their innocence.
We should also raid any fast-food restaurants where Hispanics speaking spanish are working and consider them Illegal. Heck, if it turns out that a few of them are, then that's what matters right?
JH | 9:44 a.m. April 18, 2008
I'm really shocked by all of the people on here defending the FLDS.
They have gotten away with way too much over the years, and it's about time they realize that just because they seclude themselves from society, it doesn't mean they don't have to follow the same laws as the rest of us!
The women and children are brainwashed into accepting their way of life, with no questions asked. The girls are prepped for marriage and babies with men old enough to be their Grandpas, by the time they reach puberty. And the boys are exiled as teenagers unless they have connections to the leadership of the church, and will carry on an important name (they can't keep too many teenage boys around, it's competition)!
I have no problem with anyone practicing their religion, or even with polygamy itself. But when you use that religion to brainwash and passify thousands of people into breaking the law and abusing children-----It's wrong! And it needs to stop!
I feel very sorry for the children in this case---there is no perfect solution for them.
They have gotten away with way too much over the years, and it's about time they realize that just because they seclude themselves from society, it doesn't mean they don't have to follow the same laws as the rest of us!
The women and children are brainwashed into accepting their way of life, with no questions asked. The girls are prepped for marriage and babies with men old enough to be their Grandpas, by the time they reach puberty. And the boys are exiled as teenagers unless they have connections to the leadership of the church, and will carry on an important name (they can't keep too many teenage boys around, it's competition)!
I have no problem with anyone practicing their religion, or even with polygamy itself. But when you use that religion to brainwash and passify thousands of people into breaking the law and abusing children-----It's wrong! And it needs to stop!
I feel very sorry for the children in this case---there is no perfect solution for them.
Anonymous | 9:47 a.m. April 18, 2008
At thepetitionsite, free-the-innocent-flds petition you can read comments of
hundreds of outraged citizens from all over the country. Texas Foster Care is
drug world. Save these kids.
Know Nothings | 9:49 a.m. April 18, 2008
Hey, all of you know nothings, you speak about due process blah, blah like you
all read the search warrants, are all legal scholars and actually know what
you're talking about.
YOU KNOW NOTHING. Texas authorities are doing the right thing, probably have all the i's dotted and t's crossed and it's about time this insidious, absurd, dangerous, child-abusing CULT was seen for what it truly is: brainwashed women allowing their female children to be sex slaves to perverted old men in the name of some wacky religion. Sell their 'temple' for scrap, pay back all of the monies they've cheated legitimate tax payers out of, introduce their children to the 21st century so they have a chance at normal life and throw the parents in prison. SEND A MESSAGE. CHILD ABUSE AND POLYGAMY ARE CRIMES.
YOU KNOW NOTHING. Texas authorities are doing the right thing, probably have all the i's dotted and t's crossed and it's about time this insidious, absurd, dangerous, child-abusing CULT was seen for what it truly is: brainwashed women allowing their female children to be sex slaves to perverted old men in the name of some wacky religion. Sell their 'temple' for scrap, pay back all of the monies they've cheated legitimate tax payers out of, introduce their children to the 21st century so they have a chance at normal life and throw the parents in prison. SEND A MESSAGE. CHILD ABUSE AND POLYGAMY ARE CRIMES.
coast guy | 9:56 a.m. April 18, 2008
Hitler would have approved of this raid.
Anonymous | 10:03 a.m. April 18, 2008
So Julia, "These are likely two unrelated matters."
Oh yeah, that is why the Texas Rangers were there. Just a big coincidence. That makes just as much sense as all the other ridiculous rationalizations used by everyone trying to destroy these people because of their religious beliefs. AND ALL YOUR RATIONALIZATIONS ARE BEING DEBUNKED ONE BY ONE, YOU ARE POWERLESS TO STOP IT, SO GET OVER IT. Just find someone else to hate and write lies about and make false allegations about. This lady is going to need someone to take her job of pretending to be a child victim for a while until the heat is off her again-- I'm sure you'd be perfect.
Oh yeah, that is why the Texas Rangers were there. Just a big coincidence. That makes just as much sense as all the other ridiculous rationalizations used by everyone trying to destroy these people because of their religious beliefs. AND ALL YOUR RATIONALIZATIONS ARE BEING DEBUNKED ONE BY ONE, YOU ARE POWERLESS TO STOP IT, SO GET OVER IT. Just find someone else to hate and write lies about and make false allegations about. This lady is going to need someone to take her job of pretending to be a child victim for a while until the heat is off her again-- I'm sure you'd be perfect.
Daniel | 10:03 a.m. April 18, 2008
"Have you listened to the phone calls or read transcripts of
them?[/quote]
It wasn't recorded, and there are no transcripts. We only have what one of the people who listened to the call jotted down, and that is verbatim what I shared with you.
"Where is it proclaimed that the FLDS do not observe Easter Sunday?"
Well, since they're a rather insular group and I can't reproduce any official material online, how about you ask an FLDS person the next time you see one?
"And the name-changing of the children interviewed was widespread, according to the social workers and those who interviewed or spoke directly to the children."
The CPS didn't know that would happen when they first spoke to her by phone. Cops are always supposed get suspicious when that happens, no matter how well you can tell the future.
"You might want to check your 'facts' next time."
My facts are checked, and just because you don't want to agree with me doesn't mean I have presented any inaccurate information. How 'bout you respect someone's Constitutional rights and not want to see them in jail just because you don't like what they believe?
It wasn't recorded, and there are no transcripts. We only have what one of the people who listened to the call jotted down, and that is verbatim what I shared with you.
"Where is it proclaimed that the FLDS do not observe Easter Sunday?"
Well, since they're a rather insular group and I can't reproduce any official material online, how about you ask an FLDS person the next time you see one?
"And the name-changing of the children interviewed was widespread, according to the social workers and those who interviewed or spoke directly to the children."
The CPS didn't know that would happen when they first spoke to her by phone. Cops are always supposed get suspicious when that happens, no matter how well you can tell the future.
"You might want to check your 'facts' next time."
My facts are checked, and just because you don't want to agree with me doesn't mean I have presented any inaccurate information. How 'bout you respect someone's Constitutional rights and not want to see them in jail just because you don't like what they believe?
Archaea Cougarguard | 10:05 a.m. April 18, 2008
As a practicing family law attorney in Henderson, NV, it is clear to me that
Texas authorities are acting in the legal best interest of the FLDS children.
Remember, they live in a communal environment where abuse to one puts all at
risk. I am surprised by the anti-government rhetoric on this board. I thought
one of the tenets of our faith is to uphold and sustain the law?
Daniel | 10:12 a.m. April 18, 2008
People here keep claiming abuse was found, but the evidence produced in court
yesterday was ten married women between 16 and 19, five of which had children.
They haven't said how old the women with children are, but if none of them
had them when they were fifteen then there's nothing illegal about it. They
also have two seventeen year old girls and one eighteen year old girl who may be
pregnant. Again, nothing illegal about that. The affidavit that authorized the
removal of all the children states merely that they saw "several teenaged
girls who appeared to be minors and appeared to be pregnant." Ultimately,
however, none of that seems to be illegal. Bravo Judge. Bravo Meisner. Way to
blow everything way out of proportion to make it sound like what you're
doing is justified.
Nae | 10:24 a.m. April 18, 2008
The issue is not if the phone call was from a real person or not. THe fact is
that some of these girls are being abused!!! It is about time someone or state
steps up and protects them from harm.
RL | 10:41 a.m. April 18, 2008
It sounds like the authorities had a clue from the very beginning it was a hoax.
That's a pretty scarey thing that they would raid, even though they
suspected it was fake. I'm not saying that everything being done by those
men in the compound was up and coming good, by any means. But they've been
suspicious for so many years, why did they wait until a hoax to spring into
action? The whole thing is so screwed up and sick on boths sides of it.
It's terrifying to see that our government agencies have way too much
control now. As far as the children are concerned, they still need their moms,
regardless of how sick other people think polygamy is. Anytime you have a group
of people that isolate themselves in such a way, there's going to be
trouble. But why punish the children even more, by totally inialating their
families? They need counseling. They need resources to change and start over.
And any man that is found guilty of the accused crimes, should be the one taken
away from his family. Everytime someone posts hate towards these people,
it's WRONG. Stop with the mob mentality!
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