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Anonymous | 10:24 a.m. April 17, 2008
Raising young girls to be harem slaves is immorally wrong. The authorities
should raid every FLDS compound.
The Texan | 10:31 a.m. April 17, 2008
An amusing number of people are going to get to heaven to find the gate shut and
closed and the guy behind it say, I never knew you.
The FLDS caused their own problems. Some on here simply add fuel to lack of credibility coming from their quarter.
The FLDS caused their own problems. Some on here simply add fuel to lack of credibility coming from their quarter.
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Ummm | 10:48 a.m. April 17, 2008
The country began to abandon the Constitution back in 1914, when the government
started taxing income and got rich with an amendment that was never legally
ratified. The Constitution only allows for the taxation of property (real
estate), cuz you can't hide it, lie about it, cheat, or be dishonest. It
kept taxpayers honest. Whereas, income tax brought on all kinds of dishonesty
and cheating. It made men criminals, and put them in prisons. Since then, the
government has gradually been abandoning the Constitution, taking powers to
itself that are expressly forbidden, corrupting the laws, abridging personal
freedom, and so forth. Don't think the FLDS are going to be saved by the
Constitution. It won't help them anymore than it did WACO, because we, as
a people, are letting the government get away with abandoning it.
its_Chet | 10:59 a.m. April 17, 2008
I have a question.
Why is it that two of my rebuttles to the anonymous "tough guy" who wanted to get personal and call me out without provocation did not get posted, yet my post for @mamafirst, which was done later, did get posted?
What gives?
Why is it that two of my rebuttles to the anonymous "tough guy" who wanted to get personal and call me out without provocation did not get posted, yet my post for @mamafirst, which was done later, did get posted?
What gives?
Voice of Reason | 11:04 a.m. April 17, 2008
I have been trying to keep an open mind to this whole situation and have a
couple things to say.
It seems to me that spiritual marriage is not necessarily legal marriage. If the men are not legally married to their wives, anyone with a spiritual wife under the age of 18 is guilty of statutory rape. The men who have participated in statutory rape and those who facilitated (possibly the mothers) should be prosecuted.
Finally, It seems to me that the main concern of many people that have posted is that innocent people will be harmed for the bad deeds of others in their community. I think this is a valid concern and I still believe people are innocent until proven guilty. I think we are all scared that someone will come into our house at take our kids when we haven't done anything wrong. I hope that is not the case here.
It seems to me that spiritual marriage is not necessarily legal marriage. If the men are not legally married to their wives, anyone with a spiritual wife under the age of 18 is guilty of statutory rape. The men who have participated in statutory rape and those who facilitated (possibly the mothers) should be prosecuted.
Finally, It seems to me that the main concern of many people that have posted is that innocent people will be harmed for the bad deeds of others in their community. I think this is a valid concern and I still believe people are innocent until proven guilty. I think we are all scared that someone will come into our house at take our kids when we haven't done anything wrong. I hope that is not the case here.
Brennie | 11:35 a.m. April 17, 2008
Stop the rape of our innocent children...all the parents who allow their
children to be abused in this way should be behind bars...
Margaret Cooke-ex FLDS | 11:34 a.m. April 17, 2008
THIS IS NOT ABOUT POLYGAMY!!This in about child abuse!!I would like to know, is
there proof of underage girls being pregnant? Where are the girls that are
reportedly pregnant? Being abused has many faces no other home in America would
be allowed to have a report of abuse and not be investigated. Any religion would
be investigated if the same call had been made. If we use this as opportunity
to find how many underage girls are being sexualy abused we are doing the right
thing and if we junp to conclusions that Texas is in the wrong we may overlook
the help we can give.It is a process and will take a lot of sorting out. I feel
for the children that are scared. Living all in one commune made it easier for
the state of Texas to do this. Where are the cowardly men that created this and
why are then not being interviewed? It is because they are using the women as
the face of the FLDS and in reality they are only saying what the men want. Some
of these people are my extended family, I want to know the truth.
its_Chet | 1:15 p.m. April 17, 2008
Voice of Reason, you live up to your name.
Anonymous | 1:41 p.m. April 17, 2008
I will say this again! Many of these children in El Dorado were taken from their parents at other compounds by Warren Jeffs or his hit men and given to more worthy men to be raised by their stepford wives. Now what do you think that was all about? He said he wanted only 6yr old or under because they were pure and innocent. Some of these parents might have given them to the king willingly but I will bet that most of them taken because zion was only at El Dorado and jeff and his perverts just couldn't wait to get their hands on the little girls..
To Anonymous | 2:28 p.m. April 17, 2008
"and jeff and his perverts just couldn't wait to get their hands on
the little girls.. "
uh, i don't think you get it. There are many here who just don't get that NO MATTER what? .. so we'll see someone talk about pregnant teens in Houston and they'll be coming for your kids next and Texas is Nazi Germany. Just plain weird, some of these folks.
uh, i don't think you get it. There are many here who just don't get that NO MATTER what? .. so we'll see someone talk about pregnant teens in Houston and they'll be coming for your kids next and Texas is Nazi Germany. Just plain weird, some of these folks.
Realitycheck60 | 3:06 p.m. April 17, 2008
I feel so sorry for those children. Maybe now they will be allowed to live a
normal life. How sad for all those women, having to live like that, in fear of
their "husbands". And in the end, they will realize they wasted their
entire life in a little compound and never got to really enjoy life. Good for
Texas trying to help these lost souls.
good for texas | 3:12 p.m. April 17, 2008
Keep in mind that the "plural marriages" are not real marriages at
all. Only one is recorded with the state and the rest are sacramonious. So
they may say they practice polygamy, but they really are only married once
leaglly. The rest are really just living with the guy and having his kids
(which happens everywhere anyway). It's when a 50 yr old has sex with a 16
yr old (or younger) girl that it is just nasty. No 16 yr old wants to be with a
50 yr old - they are pressured into it - and that's a crime (if not
legally, then at least morally).
Bandee | 4:08 p.m. April 17, 2008
Uh, isn't this Warren Jeff's FLDS? He's been convicted on
testimony from a 14 year old rape victim. His followers have vowed that they
will continue to take child brides, and people are outraged at this event?
Abe | 4:19 p.m. April 17, 2008
I didn't get see all of the Larry King interview. Did he explain why the
men weren't on his show?
Confused | 4:10 a.m. April 18, 2008
I am not privy to the information the State of Texas has so I cannot comment on
the raid. However, I would like to reconcile how they believe we are evil and
they want nothing to do with us, but they will come out of the compound to
immediately apply for my evil money in Public Aid.
Injuste | 5:00 a.m. April 19, 2008
I'm mad that these poor kids are being taken away from their mothers. No
child deserves that. If they want to go after the teachings of the church, go
after the leaders, not the children. And stuffing 400 more children into the
horrible foster care system is going to help no one. The state really needs to
start thinking of the kids here. And CPS knows how to do one thing, take kids
out of their homes, what happens to these kids afterwards is not their problem.
Texas needs to go after the FLDS church, and not the innocent kids.
anonymous2 | 9:55 a.m. April 19, 2008
Just who is Kathleen Jessop? I have been reading alot about what is going on in
El Dorado and have heard her name mentioned several times, but don't know
anything about her. Can someone please fill me in?
Roxie | 2:47 p.m. April 19, 2008
GOD BLESS TEXAS!!! I was born and raised in the FLDS, and escaped - under
threats of blood atonement, having endured unimaginable beatings and sexual
abuse that started before I was 4 years old. The cell phones were NOT taken
illegally from the FLDS women. They were doing everything in their power to
hinder the investigation. Witness tampering and acts to hinder an investigation
are crimes!!!! Two men were arrested in the compound for interfeering with an
investigation. Some of the comments about the Texas raid are way off base. All
of the children in the compound needed to be taken away. Most of the boys are
kicked out before they ae of legal age, and the remaining become pedophiles -
mirroring everything they experienced as a child. The young girls are given as
sex slaves to older men - children learn what they live. The adult women were
all married underage and see nothing wrong with the sexual exploitation they
endured. They send their baby girls like lambs to the slaughter - just like
they were. Texas took the steps necessary to protect these children, AS THEY
SHOULD HAVE.
my only concern | 2:58 p.m. April 19, 2008
is that if this so called church can follow the guy in JAIL WITH OUT BAIL,
commit felonies, live in seclusion,have no missionaries, allow no
minorities,have no authority then what gives with all the members sticking up
for these guys? Must be some kind of connections.
Brian Bach | 6:33 p.m. April 19, 2008
> Comparisons to Communists is not only appropriate, but precisely
who's behind the 'Superstate' and it's abuses. I'll add
that the Nazi's would never stand for it.
scott | 7:56 p.m. April 19, 2008
I agree with what someone else said. The women and children are the obvious
victims. The men are the ones who should have been brought into custody.
Filling you in | 3:52 p.m. April 20, 2008
Kathleen Jessop is one of Merril Jessop's wives. He is the current Bishop
of the FLDS church at the YFZ ranch with those being handpicked by Warren Jeffs
as most faithful. She was also the woman that tattled on Caroline Jessop as she
was running away. Caroline still managed to escape, though her eldest daughter
Betty did return to the FLDS and is living in Colorado city/Hildale. Merrill is
allegedly abusive to both his children and his wives with Caroline reporting an
incident that suggests babies are not even safe at least in that particular
household.
People also wonder why the mothers do not get the children back, well the answer is simple. The women are not willing to protect their children since girls are married off at puberty (with mothers actually reporting such facts.) They are also willing to abandon sons at age 13 because they have become a source of competition for females since male to female births are near 50/50 which do not allow for polygamy.
The women are also reporting that ALL the women returned that were able to return, yet we know that 6 women have sought "safe houses" instead.
People also wonder why the mothers do not get the children back, well the answer is simple. The women are not willing to protect their children since girls are married off at puberty (with mothers actually reporting such facts.) They are also willing to abandon sons at age 13 because they have become a source of competition for females since male to female births are near 50/50 which do not allow for polygamy.
The women are also reporting that ALL the women returned that were able to return, yet we know that 6 women have sought "safe houses" instead.
Questioning | 3:53 p.m. April 20, 2008
For those of you that question the initial call that brought this whole
situation to light, here is some information.
Imagine that a prank caller phones the police and says that she sees a person at a specific address and that she has heard screams and gunshots. The police quickly arrive at the house and respond accordingly. Instead of finding a new event, the police find a body that appears to be dead and murdered but clearly days ago. Do you now believe the police should ignore this information that a crime has been committed simply because the initial phone call was intended as a prank? Of course not. The same applied to this situation. Even if the initial call was a prank, real crimes were found to have occurred and should be acted upon.
Imagine that a prank caller phones the police and says that she sees a person at a specific address and that she has heard screams and gunshots. The police quickly arrive at the house and respond accordingly. Instead of finding a new event, the police find a body that appears to be dead and murdered but clearly days ago. Do you now believe the police should ignore this information that a crime has been committed simply because the initial phone call was intended as a prank? Of course not. The same applied to this situation. Even if the initial call was a prank, real crimes were found to have occurred and should be acted upon.
caution | 6:07 p.m. April 20, 2008
I think we need to withhold judgment until we know the actual facts -- there are
a lot of rumors and innuendos flying around on both sides, and we need to take
care not to further inflame the situation by spreading and amplifying them. If
the abuses are as widespread and institutionalized as they are being
characterized in the media, as brutal as the situation is, it will allow for
hoped for changes. If things are being exaggerated and sensationalized, then it
is hoped judicial process will allow for the truth to out and families to be
restored. We need to be sceptical and weed through the sensationalism and
emotional appeals from both sides.Prayers for all would not go amiss.
Joyce | 6:20 p.m. April 20, 2008
Slavery was done away with years ago. You don't have to be black to be a
slave. These women and children are slaves.
Why pick on the FLDS? | 6:40 p.m. April 20, 2008
Hundreds of girls under the age of fifteen get abortions in Texas every year.
None of them are married and none of the men who impregnated them are arrested
and charged with rape. None of the parents of these Texas girls have their
children removed from their homes because the parents are judged to have been
neglectful in allowing their young girls to become pregnant.
Not only abortion, but pregnancy and childbirth, in teenagers outside the FLDS are subsidized by the taxpayers with special programs for underage mothers at high schools, welfare, daycare, and rent subsidy. By the standards applied to the FLDS shouldn't the younger siblings of all pregnant teenagers be removed from the abusive environments that led to underage pregnancy?
Not only abortion, but pregnancy and childbirth, in teenagers outside the FLDS are subsidized by the taxpayers with special programs for underage mothers at high schools, welfare, daycare, and rent subsidy. By the standards applied to the FLDS shouldn't the younger siblings of all pregnant teenagers be removed from the abusive environments that led to underage pregnancy?
I have a theory | 7:38 p.m. April 20, 2008
I commented earlier under "Steve in Texas", and am very wary of the
state's abuse of power. Everything seems like the state rushed in without
adequate probable cause to take 416 children. However, after considering this
case for days, something doesn't add up... Could it be the state knows
something it isn't sharing in the media yet? Is this why they can be so
cavalier in their actions? I suspect the number of boys to girls doesn't
match anywhere near the 49/51% birthrate in the nation. I suspect - now get this
- that Jeffs handpicked the people to go to the ranch, and he took little kids
(with a much higher girl ratio) from OTHER families in the Utah/Arizona area and
ASSIGNED these kids to these adults to raise. This may why the state is hot on
DNA testing. If this is the case, all of my sympathy for the FLDS as victims of
state abuse will evaporate instantly. This is the only instance where I can see
treating the entire community as one family instead of investigating one
allegation at a time. Comments? - Steve in Texas
Steve in Texas | 8:45 p.m. April 20, 2008
You're an Einstein. Keep it up.
To: Why pick on the FLDS? | 9:05 p.m. April 20, 2008
So let me get this straight. You are comparing random teens making bad decisions
with mostly other teens. Comparing them to the systematic and institutionalized
rape of young girls by the FLDS? The indoctrination of little girls by drilling
into them that damnation awaits them if they don't "keep sweet"
and obey Uncle Warren the prophet when he preaches to them to NOT try and find a
mate on their own? (audio of Uncle Warren available everywhere on the net
speaking this very thing) ... just trying to understand you ...
Contrarian | 10:14 p.m. April 20, 2008
To the one who has a "theory": The CPS went to court with allegations
of child abuse. How does your theory support the allegations? Even if it were
true that the women raising some of the children are not their natural mothers,
since when is it child abuse to raise someone else's child?
To prove abuse the CPS needs to show that underage girls were forced to have sex with older men. If they cannot get complaints from the girls or their mothers then they hope to prove statutory rape by showing that underage girls were impregnated by older men - that is why they are interested in the DNA. Just because Angie Voss claims she saw underage girls who were pregnant is not sufficient proof of child abuse.
Once again, I have to say that the CPS is targeting the FLDS while ignoring the MEN who impregnated hundreds of Texas girls under the age of fifteen that received abortions last year, and the hundreds of unmarried girls who carried their babies to term. The CPS makes no attempt to monitor these underage pregnancies and abortions to bring the perpetrators of statutory rape to justice.
To prove abuse the CPS needs to show that underage girls were forced to have sex with older men. If they cannot get complaints from the girls or their mothers then they hope to prove statutory rape by showing that underage girls were impregnated by older men - that is why they are interested in the DNA. Just because Angie Voss claims she saw underage girls who were pregnant is not sufficient proof of child abuse.
Once again, I have to say that the CPS is targeting the FLDS while ignoring the MEN who impregnated hundreds of Texas girls under the age of fifteen that received abortions last year, and the hundreds of unmarried girls who carried their babies to term. The CPS makes no attempt to monitor these underage pregnancies and abortions to bring the perpetrators of statutory rape to justice.
Joyce | 11:08 p.m. April 20, 2008
Suggestion:
Would the animal pound or what ever it is in Texas, be willing to donate some dogs or cats to the kids to play with?
All kids love animals and I don't see where any of these have had one.
You know the men would not allow animals since they can't eat them, and you can't buy dog food with food stamps.
Besides that the kids don't even have any toys to play with at the compound. Aren't they allowed to play either.
Cruel people.
Would the animal pound or what ever it is in Texas, be willing to donate some dogs or cats to the kids to play with?
All kids love animals and I don't see where any of these have had one.
You know the men would not allow animals since they can't eat them, and you can't buy dog food with food stamps.
Besides that the kids don't even have any toys to play with at the compound. Aren't they allowed to play either.
Cruel people.
To: Contrarian | 6:40 a.m. April 21, 2008
I think my theory (if in fact, true) supports the CPS's premise of child
abuse. They had an "insider" in the ranch for 4 years, the kids were
(if we believe the reports) ambiguous about who their parents were, and the
parents were giving evasive answers about who their children were. There were
current underage pregnancies (4 I think), and there was evidence of
approximately 20 women total with children who would have had to have had their
children when minors. The statute of limitations isn't up on these cases -
so you are correct, that they are going after the child abuse. However, why DNA
test ALL of the children and parents? My guess is that some of the youngest
children are products of marriages at the ranch, and some of the older children
are from Hilldale, Colorado City and Calgary. and have been assigned to the
"faithful". It just makes logical sense that Texas CPS has an ace up
their sleeve and the judge probably knows it. If this theory is correct, DNA
testing will open up a huge can of worms, and this will become a much bigger
story involving Utah, Arizona and Calgary. Steve in Texas
will marshall | 8:52 a.m. April 25, 2008
I have the right to define, create and establish my family as I see fit with
consenting adults. I respect no government or church that tells me different.
Freedom first | 9:10 a.m. April 26, 2008
Right On Texas! You are right and you got the moral strength to call a spade a
spade. What is wrong with this entire stiuation is that only the men have the
freedon of choice. The women are property and the children are less than
property. The world watches don't back down!
Baldwin | 5:42 a.m. April 28, 2008
Balance people, balance.
Yes the government has some VERY limited role in offering an escape route to those being coerced and intimidated. Before this is all over some method for government monitoring of religion that both prevents the 'blood atonement' murder of apostates to 'save thir soul', intimidation of anyone who wants to leave, militarizing the 'compound', none of which but the middle example has been proven to me but they need monitoring.
But yes there needs to be due process that is more than just CPS lip service. The government has been writing laws to selectivly prosecute one religion. The CPS needs to be transparent and exposed. There appears to be a Nazi style war against religion moving from least popular religion on up the chain at least in Texas if not the whole globalist enterprise. Shades of Martin Niemoeller's poem "First they came for..."
What has this non-mormon amazed is how intimidated mormons are by this. Standing back while someone else's rights are stripped doesn't work. Those are your rights being stripped and they will come for all the chilren who believe.
Yes the government has some VERY limited role in offering an escape route to those being coerced and intimidated. Before this is all over some method for government monitoring of religion that both prevents the 'blood atonement' murder of apostates to 'save thir soul', intimidation of anyone who wants to leave, militarizing the 'compound', none of which but the middle example has been proven to me but they need monitoring.
But yes there needs to be due process that is more than just CPS lip service. The government has been writing laws to selectivly prosecute one religion. The CPS needs to be transparent and exposed. There appears to be a Nazi style war against religion moving from least popular religion on up the chain at least in Texas if not the whole globalist enterprise. Shades of Martin Niemoeller's poem "First they came for..."
What has this non-mormon amazed is how intimidated mormons are by this. Standing back while someone else's rights are stripped doesn't work. Those are your rights being stripped and they will come for all the chilren who believe.
Earnest Hiles | 12:28 p.m. May 10, 2008
I agree with you totally Isaiah, and appreciate your comments. The Constitution
as you know though has been ignored for a long time now.
But yes, that raid was totally illigal according to the liberties that were supposedly guaranteed by the Constitution and the Ammendments of the United States of America.
Why do we not have these liberties now?. And why is the law so flagrantly ignoring the Rules of these guaranteed liberties written in the Supreme Law of the land , if all judges and representitives of our judiciary been sworn in to uphold them?
With out these guraranteed liberties of property and happiness, that the constitution affirmed how can anyone be secure in america?
Good Job Isaiah, Keep up the good work of exposing the unlawful actions of the Texas Authorities!
Earnest
But yes, that raid was totally illigal according to the liberties that were supposedly guaranteed by the Constitution and the Ammendments of the United States of America.
Why do we not have these liberties now?. And why is the law so flagrantly ignoring the Rules of these guaranteed liberties written in the Supreme Law of the land , if all judges and representitives of our judiciary been sworn in to uphold them?
With out these guraranteed liberties of property and happiness, that the constitution affirmed how can anyone be secure in america?
Good Job Isaiah, Keep up the good work of exposing the unlawful actions of the Texas Authorities!
Earnest
Field | 5:33 a.m. May 11, 2008
Every Person, whether they are an Authority in a position of Law enforcement or
just a judge, have laws that they must follow in the execution of their duties.
And when the People in law enforcment cross the line of disobeying these laws of
encounter, they become unreasonable criminals and tyrants, i.e. Terrorists,
terrorizing the people they have been chosen to protect and provide a secure and
peacable place a habitation for.
Any attempt to Oppress, Threaten or Intimidate the free exercise and enjoyment of any right guaranteed by the constitution and "these" suppreme laws of the United States of America is a FELONY, a punnishable by a fine of up to $10,000.00 and up to 10 years imprisonment, or both , for each violation, under the criminal code, TITle 18 S241, 242. Oppression of Constitutional rights may also be prosecuted as a civil Action, Under Title 42, S1983,1985 and 1986. Agents of the Government are liable, in an individual capacity for any such violatations.
These Agents in Texas have broken these Criminal and Civil Law , and that makes them , Criminals, compounded Because they are representing the Law and should know better!
field
Any attempt to Oppress, Threaten or Intimidate the free exercise and enjoyment of any right guaranteed by the constitution and "these" suppreme laws of the United States of America is a FELONY, a punnishable by a fine of up to $10,000.00 and up to 10 years imprisonment, or both , for each violation, under the criminal code, TITle 18 S241, 242. Oppression of Constitutional rights may also be prosecuted as a civil Action, Under Title 42, S1983,1985 and 1986. Agents of the Government are liable, in an individual capacity for any such violatations.
These Agents in Texas have broken these Criminal and Civil Law , and that makes them , Criminals, compounded Because they are representing the Law and should know better!
field
Jewell | 2:37 p.m. May 12, 2008
When are the American People going to wake up and realize our goverment has
becomoe the master and we the slave of it? So, yes, they the goverment knows
best in ALL things. Trust it, hate it, love it, worship it...but we have lost
our freedom in our pursuit of being rich and being happy at whatever cost. We
want peace at whatever cost...so we have let the devils loose to rade, to
destroy, and to kill who ever stands in its path in the name of "helping
the innocent". An our goverment supports abortion. They're concerned
about the innocent? I don't think so. I am so sorry to hear about
Texas' Mothers and their great trial of loosing their children to Social
services( a mother's worst nightmare ). Shame on Texas! Shame on CPS!!
Field | 3:41 p.m. May 12, 2008
It was all there was to it, they the masters and we the slaves, it really
wouldn't be to bad.
But unfortunately, They do not just want to be the Masters! Ever hear of Abuse.
The Government has been holloering "Abusive parents" for the last 40 years trying to take control of the families, destroying relationships between Fathers and their children and their Mothers. In the Name of Abuse! And now by the meaning of our fore Fathers, we have an "abusive" tyranical Government, that calls anyone in disagreement of them , insurgents, and terrorists, When in fact, our government is a Terror to "good works"!
Our Fore Fathers, Said in the Constitution, that it was "unreasonable search and seizure" to go into someone home without an Oath or Affirmation describing in particular the place to be search and the persons to be seized, and our government now is that "unreasonable" tyranical, terrorizing its people!
Slaves? I don't think so! We have been Victimized by tyranny!
Field
But unfortunately, They do not just want to be the Masters! Ever hear of Abuse.
The Government has been holloering "Abusive parents" for the last 40 years trying to take control of the families, destroying relationships between Fathers and their children and their Mothers. In the Name of Abuse! And now by the meaning of our fore Fathers, we have an "abusive" tyranical Government, that calls anyone in disagreement of them , insurgents, and terrorists, When in fact, our government is a Terror to "good works"!
Our Fore Fathers, Said in the Constitution, that it was "unreasonable search and seizure" to go into someone home without an Oath or Affirmation describing in particular the place to be search and the persons to be seized, and our government now is that "unreasonable" tyranical, terrorizing its people!
Slaves? I don't think so! We have been Victimized by tyranny!
Field
AlmostFunny | 8:48 p.m. May 21, 2008
Top Ten Signs You Are A Victim of Religious Persecution
10. When people talk about where THEY live it is a four-plex, apartment building or ranch. When they talk about the four-plex, apartment or ranch YOU live at, it is a compound.
9. Your religion is constantly referred to as a cult.
8. The state decides how your children are to worship by taking away their religious documents and scriptures.
7. When you move to a state, laws are changed specifically to target your religion.
6. The only adults in your state NOT allowed to marry a 14 or 16 year olds are the members of your congregation.
5. Your religion cannot teach certain behaviors lead to damnation, but all other religions can.
4. The state accepts birth certificates as proof of age for everyone except those practicing your religion.
3. You can't have your children back unless you denounce your religion, and take classes learning how to think like them.
2. You have to prove to the State you can raise children, when you have been raising them just fine.
1. The children of your religion are hauled away in buses displaying the name of another church.
10. When people talk about where THEY live it is a four-plex, apartment building or ranch. When they talk about the four-plex, apartment or ranch YOU live at, it is a compound.
9. Your religion is constantly referred to as a cult.
8. The state decides how your children are to worship by taking away their religious documents and scriptures.
7. When you move to a state, laws are changed specifically to target your religion.
6. The only adults in your state NOT allowed to marry a 14 or 16 year olds are the members of your congregation.
5. Your religion cannot teach certain behaviors lead to damnation, but all other religions can.
4. The state accepts birth certificates as proof of age for everyone except those practicing your religion.
3. You can't have your children back unless you denounce your religion, and take classes learning how to think like them.
2. You have to prove to the State you can raise children, when you have been raising them just fine.
1. The children of your religion are hauled away in buses displaying the name of another church.
Field | 7:28 p.m. May 31, 2008
It is important that if a person or a governing body of people set themselves in
the place of judgment, that they have things in control in their own
territory.
#1. ) In the public Schools system a 13 year old become pregnant every 3 hours. a 14 year old becomes pregnant every 2 hours. a 15 year old every hour, and a 16 year old every 30 min. by their own statistics.
#2. ) Then the innocent unborn babies are murdered !
No one has closed these public schools down, no one has closed these abortion clinic's down, that is called "choice", instead of a live baby!
Thus the unreasonable tyranical terroristic actions of the STATE rages on , even after the Supreme court has order the action "illigal" unlawful and with out cause, they continue to threaten , to villify, to intimidate, and to oppress the religous communities accross America!
#1. ) In the public Schools system a 13 year old become pregnant every 3 hours. a 14 year old becomes pregnant every 2 hours. a 15 year old every hour, and a 16 year old every 30 min. by their own statistics.
#2. ) Then the innocent unborn babies are murdered !
No one has closed these public schools down, no one has closed these abortion clinic's down, that is called "choice", instead of a live baby!
Thus the unreasonable tyranical terroristic actions of the STATE rages on , even after the Supreme court has order the action "illigal" unlawful and with out cause, they continue to threaten , to villify, to intimidate, and to oppress the religous communities accross America!
Ted kalomiris | 2:00 a.m. Sept. 21, 2008
I think that enforcing the law in cases of marijuana usage can be used as an
analogy to this. Smoking pot doesn't really do much harm to the user,
however it makes them maladjusted to the norms of society at large, and if
"counter-cultural" activities are too disruptive to the workforce
rather than complimentary to it then it is stamped out. I think that it is
possible that a large number of the people from thiese environments where
different customs are practiced will have problems in the mainstream because
their values are so different. And yes, technically they are breaking laws if
underage sex is practiced, etc. Bad environment for kids- illegal too, and
because they are all situated in the same place, it is just crying out to be
busted by the F.B.I. Every other Western nation would do the same thing,
whether somewhat hypocritical or not (compared to the possible percentage of
unprosecuted child abuse cases that may exist elsewhere).
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Rep. Drew Darby addresses the media during a briefing in San Angelo, Texas, Tuesday. "As a human being, none of us like human misery, nor do we like the abuse of children," he said. "We have a saying here: 'Don't mess with Texas.' I'm going to change it up and say, 'Don't mess with the children of Texas.'"
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What Texas did was take children out of a dangerous environment where the teenage girls would be forced to marry men four times their age and begin having children at the age of 13. The boys would be taken away and be brainwashed into thinking this type of lifestyle is ok, and if they disagree with it they'll be beaten.
I am so sick of all the posters on here blaming Texas for this mess and claiming the state of Texas was out of line. I ask all you who claim that, and if you're not a member of a polygamist sect - how many of you have daughters and how would you like to see those daughters taken away as teenagers and forced to marry 50 yr. old men? How would you like to see those teenage girls have children? I'll venture to guess that not very many of you woould.