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Tamara | 11:03 a.m. April 14, 2008
I feel sorry for children and mothers, I can't even imagine having my
children taken from me. I would be on the brick of insanity. But polygamy is
wrong in many aspects. It is bad for women, it is bad for children, but they
don't know any different. It is normal life for them. But not knowing that
it is wrong and still doing it, doesn't make it right. Without knowing it
(or not wanting to submit to law)they or mostly their men called it on
themselves. They should learn from mistakes of their past, not us. They are
Americans and they need to obey their country's law. My prayers are with
this peole. Lord may open their hearts to the Truth.
Jenny Bea | 11:05 a.m. April 14, 2008
It's nice to see that everyone cares about these children, but I want to
play the Devil's Advocate here. These people are isolated from society and
raised to believe VERY BAD things about the world. Who knows what the husbands
told the wives and mothers to say to the media, under some sort of threat. While
I agree with most comments, I think that we should just slow down and see what
happens- after all a Judge issued the warrant. No one is purposely breaking the
law here. The police aren't Nazi's. Having no idea what goes on and
what's said behind their closed doors, let's be thankful that for now,
everyone's okay- even if depressed. This will all work out- but you
can't go just on what someone said. Again- you have no idea what pressure
the men put on the women to say what they did to the media. They could be
telling the truth, they could be doing what they were told by their husbands.
They could be brainwashed. We just don't know- and at the end of the day,
I'll pray for them. I'm sure they'd genuinely appreciate that.
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Bill | 11:21 a.m. April 14, 2008
Pray for the children. How very sad.
Anonymous | 11:23 a.m. April 14, 2008
If these mothers really loved their children, they would be glad they have been
from such a perverse "religious" sect. They are child molesters and
enablers. Spare them no sympathy.
No one cares if a woman is stupid enough to want to be a polygamist slave. What people SHOULD care about is the abuse of underage girls and the abandonment of underage boys.
No one cares if a woman is stupid enough to want to be a polygamist slave. What people SHOULD care about is the abuse of underage girls and the abandonment of underage boys.
jimmy6969 | 11:28 a.m. April 14, 2008
The woman wouldn't speak to the poilce, so they lost their rights
immidately.
Just think what the outcry would be if the police did nothing in response to the 16 year old girl's phone call for help. It would be , "Where were the police? - they got the call, they should have went in" , afterwards.
You whiny libs would cry and moan either way.
Just think what the outcry would be if the police did nothing in response to the 16 year old girl's phone call for help. It would be , "Where were the police? - they got the call, they should have went in" , afterwards.
You whiny libs would cry and moan either way.
Joe | 11:30 a.m. April 14, 2008
Strange how the government has yet to produce the "16 year-old girl who
called authorities." And why would they take ALL the children based on an
unfounded allegations? Texas CPS has enough problems and cannot be trusted. It
is state sanctioned kidnapping and state sanctioned religious harassment,
nothing more, nothing less. They came for immigrants, now they've come for
the children, who will be next? Welkome to AmeriKa.
Eric | 11:32 a.m. April 14, 2008
Three Words:
Certified Birth Certificate.
Visit the county office, pay $20 and have them notarize a new copy of the birth certificate.
Sure its a hassle, but the police won't likely reject that document as a fake when it has todays date - right next to the the county clerk's signature and seal.
Certified Birth Certificate.
Visit the county office, pay $20 and have them notarize a new copy of the birth certificate.
Sure its a hassle, but the police won't likely reject that document as a fake when it has todays date - right next to the the county clerk's signature and seal.
Carney | 11:34 a.m. April 14, 2008
What a biased article. Full of weeping and wailing. Nary a mention of
polygamy, which even in the mid 19th century was widely recognized as an
outdated relic of babarism.
Anyway, as for the comments talking about "innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (IUPGBARD)" in rebuking the public and media, the only people required to observe that standard are the justice system, specifically the jury. THE PUBLIC AND MEDIA ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO SO.
IUPGBARD basically means you have to ignore common sense. But the reality is that extremely unlikely claims are ... extremely unlikely. The desperately stammered explanation by the wide-eyed creepy guy holding a dripping knife while standing over a corpse in an alley MAY be true. But almost certainly not.
And unless we're in a jury, we don't have to pretend he's innocent. It's perfectly all right to draw the obvious conclusion.
Anyway, as for the comments talking about "innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (IUPGBARD)" in rebuking the public and media, the only people required to observe that standard are the justice system, specifically the jury. THE PUBLIC AND MEDIA ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO SO.
IUPGBARD basically means you have to ignore common sense. But the reality is that extremely unlikely claims are ... extremely unlikely. The desperately stammered explanation by the wide-eyed creepy guy holding a dripping knife while standing over a corpse in an alley MAY be true. But almost certainly not.
And unless we're in a jury, we don't have to pretend he's innocent. It's perfectly all right to draw the obvious conclusion.
Anonymous | 11:35 a.m. April 14, 2008
=====Use your IQ not your emotion please. Please think with your head not with
your heart. If anyone knows what the constitution says, knows that this search
was illegal, as was the subsequent removal of these children=====
Nope. WRONG! Once it is proven, or even highly suspected, that underage children are being forced to have sex with adults ALL bets are off. The Constitution protects them too doesn't it? This atrocity happens every day at this compound, and these people deserve what they get and have created this situation. The State of Texas is doing the right and responsible thing in moving to protect these children from the monsters that lurk behind the secret walls.
Nope. WRONG! Once it is proven, or even highly suspected, that underage children are being forced to have sex with adults ALL bets are off. The Constitution protects them too doesn't it? This atrocity happens every day at this compound, and these people deserve what they get and have created this situation. The State of Texas is doing the right and responsible thing in moving to protect these children from the monsters that lurk behind the secret walls.
bill brady | 11:37 a.m. April 14, 2008
This has absolutely nothing to do with religious freedom, family values, care of
children, etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
1. Polygamy is against the law ! ! !
2. Sex with a minor is called RAPE ! ! !
End of discussion
1. Polygamy is against the law ! ! !
2. Sex with a minor is called RAPE ! ! !
End of discussion
Babette | 11:40 a.m. April 14, 2008
In this day and age it truly baffles me that anyone believes that a polygamist
lifestyle is ok. Is this not one of the things we outlawed many years ago? If
you do not abide by the laws of our nation you have to pay the price. I do
believe that the men in this sick lifestyle are completely to blame. What man
would not like to have sex with young, ignorant, girls who are always told to
"keep sweet"?
I believe that all of the men in this compound should be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The women and children may then have some hope of a normal life in society. It will of course take years of counseling, and education to bring these people into the 21st century. My thoughts and prayers are with all of the children who have been so violated by the people they trusted.
I believe that all of the men in this compound should be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The women and children may then have some hope of a normal life in society. It will of course take years of counseling, and education to bring these people into the 21st century. My thoughts and prayers are with all of the children who have been so violated by the people they trusted.
Land of the Free?? | 11:53 a.m. April 14, 2008
This reminds me of something George Carlin (comedian) once observed: Americans
have no RIGHTS, merely privileges that are "suspended" when convenient
for the government. He reminded us of the "rights" given to the loyal
and patriotic japanese-american citizens in WWII, and the pattern holds true
today. It doesn't look like you have freedom of religion!
Wonder how many innocent, untouched children are now going to be beaten and raped by the foster families they have been put with?
Good thing the government took away their phones so they can't dial for help...
Wonder how many innocent, untouched children are now going to be beaten and raped by the foster families they have been put with?
Good thing the government took away their phones so they can't dial for help...
Steve | 11:55 a.m. April 14, 2008
Can someone be charged with polygamy if they are living with multiple
"wives", but not married in the eyes of the law (no certificate)? If
that is the case, we can arrest cohabiting people in every large city in
America.
Doug | 11:57 a.m. April 14, 2008
Umm.. sounds to me like this is good excuse for old men to have sex with young
girls and get away with it. The moms were complicit by allowing their young teen
daughters to be raped by pedos.
NAU2010 | 12:06 p.m. April 14, 2008
Freedom of religion? Mass removal of citizens? All based on an allegation? For
these people, FLDS, there is no America. I hope the Texas government pays dearly
for what they have done. BTW- isn't our current leader from Texas? Makes
you wonder!
Troy McClure | 12:07 p.m. April 14, 2008
These people are abusing their children just by the simple fact they are
sheltering them from normal lives. It's bad enough that some will have
genetic defects from inbreeding. Lets also not forget that these so called
"Americans" refuse to serve in our military! There is nothing normal
about this group, how they live and what they do to their children. The
government should step in and end this abnormal indoctrination that the
pedophilic parents are engaging in.
Ron B. | 12:08 p.m. April 14, 2008
I see the issue clearly the clue is throwing out the Constitution that gets in
the way of preserving power when a good ol boy system�s
power is threatened by outsiders. As the increasing numbers of outsiders
(Fundamentalists) are perceived as a threat to the local good ol boys that have
run that rural community for generations they feel threatened as they will start
losing elections. They of course need a way to dislodge them before they took
over their community with their voting power. Hence the creation or perceptions
of some vague and phony conflict. They build up the Fundamentalism vs Feminism
conflict to preserve the local good ol. Boys power and control as the low
population in the area soon tips the balance of votes to the
�outsiders� who are of the
Fundamentalist church and once in office will change the good ol Boy system and
they will no longer be in control.
Elbeau | 12:09 p.m. April 14, 2008
This article is pathetic. They "interview" the mothers while the
mothers refuse to talk about abuse...which is the HEART of the whole matter.
This is irresponsible journalism. Journalists should present all angles of a
story, not let their interviewees decide what is "allowable" to talk
about.
Texas had reports of abuse...from the caller AND from informants. I guess all you sympathizers want the government to ignore abuse reports.
It sounds to me like the law enforcement officials showed up and NOBODY claimed to be the mothers of the children. Does anybody else find that a little disturbing...oh...and exactly how did Texas take children from their mothers when the mothers wouldn't claim the children. Texas had reports of abuse and found hundreds of children with no legal guardianship.
...and Why wouldn't the mothers claim the children???
That one's pretty easy. If a mother is 20 and a child is 8, then claiming the child is also another report of abuse...and that is EXACTLY what they are finding out about these children.
Good job Texas!
Texas had reports of abuse...from the caller AND from informants. I guess all you sympathizers want the government to ignore abuse reports.
It sounds to me like the law enforcement officials showed up and NOBODY claimed to be the mothers of the children. Does anybody else find that a little disturbing...oh...and exactly how did Texas take children from their mothers when the mothers wouldn't claim the children. Texas had reports of abuse and found hundreds of children with no legal guardianship.
...and Why wouldn't the mothers claim the children???
That one's pretty easy. If a mother is 20 and a child is 8, then claiming the child is also another report of abuse...and that is EXACTLY what they are finding out about these children.
Good job Texas!
Texan | 12:11 p.m. April 14, 2008
I think many of you are forgetting the idea of "enabling" in which you
can be guilty of a crime for allowing it to take place.
Take for instance the bartender who serves beyond a persons limit and that person kills someone while driving drunk. The bartender has been proven liable in this country for doing nothing other than his job (serving alcohol). There are times when a reasonable person needs to have some judgement of right and wrong.
Marrying your underage daughter away to an older man is child abuse, plain and simple. Even though the mom is not directly involved in the actual deed, her actions are criminal at best.
Think of it like a woman selling her daughter into prostitution. Even though the mom thinks it is the right thing to do at the time(for money or whatever) does it make the act a morally correct act? In no circumstances can I think of anytime this would be morally right. I know it goes on, but it is not right.
This is why Texas has taken the kids from the men and women of this compound. They are both guilty of the abuse, just in different ways.
Take for instance the bartender who serves beyond a persons limit and that person kills someone while driving drunk. The bartender has been proven liable in this country for doing nothing other than his job (serving alcohol). There are times when a reasonable person needs to have some judgement of right and wrong.
Marrying your underage daughter away to an older man is child abuse, plain and simple. Even though the mom is not directly involved in the actual deed, her actions are criminal at best.
Think of it like a woman selling her daughter into prostitution. Even though the mom thinks it is the right thing to do at the time(for money or whatever) does it make the act a morally correct act? In no circumstances can I think of anytime this would be morally right. I know it goes on, but it is not right.
This is why Texas has taken the kids from the men and women of this compound. They are both guilty of the abuse, just in different ways.
BenM | 12:12 p.m. April 14, 2008
Are you people serious? This isn't about freedom of religion. It isn't
about religion at all. It's all about domination and control of women. You
can't, in the name of religion, force young girls to marry men four times
their age. How sick is that? The woman who had an 11-year-old will within the
next couple of years give her little girl away to be raped. Maybe you think
that's OK. Most of us don't. Thank God someone had enough courage to
do something about it.
bob | 12:17 p.m. April 14, 2008
I have sympathy for the families that have been seperated however polygamy is
illegal. The polygamous groups have been allowed to continue this practice for
too long and should not be able to live outside the law.
Alex | 12:20 p.m. April 14, 2008
I have nothing kind to say about any sexual and physical abuser. I also have
nothing kind to say about governmental abuse of constitutional liberties. All I
can say about the authorities in Texas is this: you had better be right!
Marko Ramius | 12:22 p.m. April 14, 2008
Well, the allegations had to come from somewhere. And even if they aren't
guilty, shining a light on what exactly IS going on over at that ranch is the
first step to them being left alone in the future. Nobody's been bothering
the Amish for what seems like ages -- perhaps the FLDS in Texas can share that
same certainty after this farce.
James Staley | 12:24 p.m. April 14, 2008
It is iteresting how many wifes and childres a Man does have and I have never
read any thing about how many jobs the Men have. How do they Pay for the
up-keep of all the children and wifes. I heard that the welfare department pays
them every month and the more children that they have the more money that they
get. If this is true the goverment should be able to go in and do what ever, to
see when their money is going.
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Poppy | 12:28 p.m. April 14, 2008
Wake up people! "A bed in the sanctuary so that marriages (often to
juvenile girls) could be immediately CONSUMMATED"??? This is about SEX.
Religion my foot.....
CPO | 12:30 p.m. April 14, 2008
As a former narcotics detective I swore out scores of warrants based upon the
testimony of a single CRI--confidential reliable informant--whose veracity had
to be specified in the supporting affidavit. We could not act upon a single
phone call without corroborating evidence such as a follow-up drug buy(s),
either by an undercover agent or the CRI.
However, when minors are possibly involved in a criminal activity (abuse), the courts are much more inclined to err on the side of child safety because exigent circumstances now exist in the court's mind.
So yes, an anonymous phone call from someone purporting to be an abused 16-year old mom can be all it takes to get the ponderous wheels of justice/injustice rolling. It sucks, but it's the best system we've got compared to other forms of law in other countries. Freedom isn't free because someone had to pay.
However, when minors are possibly involved in a criminal activity (abuse), the courts are much more inclined to err on the side of child safety because exigent circumstances now exist in the court's mind.
So yes, an anonymous phone call from someone purporting to be an abused 16-year old mom can be all it takes to get the ponderous wheels of justice/injustice rolling. It sucks, but it's the best system we've got compared to other forms of law in other countries. Freedom isn't free because someone had to pay.
Mitch | 12:32 p.m. April 14, 2008
Does anyone believe that the Government had proof that child abuse was goin on
for years and never did anything about it?.Better think long and hard about this
.It might be your Daycare or Church groop next,be very carefull about where you
leave your children while you are at work.
Jaci | 12:33 p.m. April 14, 2008
I feel sorry for the children, because they have no control over what's
going on. But remember, both the mothers AND the fathers were taught that this
was an acceptable lifestyle. The younger, second- or third-generation men were
brought up in this community and taught that this behavior was not only
acceptable but expected. So yeah, I feel sorry for the men and boys too who were
taught the behave in a way that is truly horrible. The same people that taught
the women that being a child-bride to an older man was normal taught the men
that taking multiple child-brides was normal. Everyone was brainwashed here, not
just the women.
Anonymous | 12:35 p.m. April 14, 2008
the children are relly not thair's that place was like a big orfange to me
it seams a littel scandeles dont you think?
Another Waco? | 12:42 p.m. April 14, 2008
These children were taken because Texas officials drew a correlation between
this compound and the Waco stand-off, where many children died.
I'm not condoning what happened here, I'm just saying, if you were in a position of authority in Texas, wouldn't you take actions to show the public that you learned from a previously horrendous outcome?
Now, just like Iraq, they are stuck with all these problems and bad PR. Now its time to start frantically looking for a way out while saving face before it costs you dearly...
I'm not condoning what happened here, I'm just saying, if you were in a position of authority in Texas, wouldn't you take actions to show the public that you learned from a previously horrendous outcome?
Now, just like Iraq, they are stuck with all these problems and bad PR. Now its time to start frantically looking for a way out while saving face before it costs you dearly...
Soloman | 12:44 p.m. April 14, 2008
I suggest we cut the children in half so that the state and the parents will be
satisfied with their portion.
Jason | 12:48 p.m. April 14, 2008
Are women really so stupid as to be brainwashed by a few men? Are you feminists
who sit hear repeatedly blaming the men for these problems really advocating the
notion that somehow men are smart enough to outwit all of these poor witless
females? Wake up please! Everyone is culpable... the men AND the women.
Nic | 12:57 p.m. April 14, 2008
What I want to know if why did it take the Texas officials so long to
investigate/break up this horrid situation? 400 children? When it takes 9 months
to have a baby.. MY LORD... this has probably been going on for quite some time
and it is ashame.
Nation of Laws, if you go back and read your American History you will see that the federal government did regulate something called polygamy..... going way back. The Federal Government also regulated and set up laws prohibiting the marriage of one man to more than one woman.. These federal laws have been around for quite some time and even though the prohibition of polygamy is not written into the constitution there are federal laws making it illegal.
Nation of Laws, if you go back and read your American History you will see that the federal government did regulate something called polygamy..... going way back. The Federal Government also regulated and set up laws prohibiting the marriage of one man to more than one woman.. These federal laws have been around for quite some time and even though the prohibition of polygamy is not written into the constitution there are federal laws making it illegal.
A sickened American | 12:57 p.m. April 14, 2008
How could a DNA test prove anything? They marry their girls off to cousins and
then those cousins who have children, marry other cousins. Their DNA is
warped.
This is a sick, sick, sick 'religion'. That marries perverted, filthy 50 year old men off to virginal 14 year olds. That's not religion. That's abuse.
50 year old men taking away a child's innocence has nothing at all to do w/ their 'GOD'. It has everything to do with perversion and selfish lust. period.
This is a sick, sick, sick 'religion'. That marries perverted, filthy 50 year old men off to virginal 14 year olds. That's not religion. That's abuse.
50 year old men taking away a child's innocence has nothing at all to do w/ their 'GOD'. It has everything to do with perversion and selfish lust. period.
Responsibility | 1:01 p.m. April 14, 2008
This video appears to be scripted, staged and rehearsed. The photography is
fine, but the content and acting is absurd. I suspect it was written by their
attorneys or male leaders. When Monica dabbed her nose with a tissue, it looked
totally fake.
The point is not whether the parents get their way without cooperating with the law. The point is the safety, physically and mentally, of the children.
Anytime you have hundreds of children, some will be ill, some will require medication, and one or more may have to visit a hospital, no matter where they are.
Yes, the change in their normal circumstances is bound to upset them and their parents. And, close quarters can be stressful. However, security and legal issues must be considered as well. CPS has been generous and practical in allowing the mothers to come and keeping them all together more or less. Would they prefer that all the kids were placed in temporary foster homes without the moms and with TV and so on? How would they group them with little information about who they belong to? The kids are also getting free legal and medical care.
The complaints are irresponsible.
The point is not whether the parents get their way without cooperating with the law. The point is the safety, physically and mentally, of the children.
Anytime you have hundreds of children, some will be ill, some will require medication, and one or more may have to visit a hospital, no matter where they are.
Yes, the change in their normal circumstances is bound to upset them and their parents. And, close quarters can be stressful. However, security and legal issues must be considered as well. CPS has been generous and practical in allowing the mothers to come and keeping them all together more or less. Would they prefer that all the kids were placed in temporary foster homes without the moms and with TV and so on? How would they group them with little information about who they belong to? The kids are also getting free legal and medical care.
The complaints are irresponsible.
Lee | 1:01 p.m. April 14, 2008
I keep hearing from whats being posted here that this is only an attack on a
religion.
Wake up people, there are reports of YOUNG teenage girls that are pregnant or already have infants probably fathered by men in thier 40's and 50's. They believed in marrying off young girls as soon as they reached puberty, 12/13 years old. The majority of the children are girls.
This looks like a FLDS compound for the sole purpose of creating child brides for older men. They can claim that this is religous persecution all they want while they are in prison for the rape of a child. They will get out of prison as Level III sex offenders for life which will pretty much put an end to the FLDS.
Wake up people, there are reports of YOUNG teenage girls that are pregnant or already have infants probably fathered by men in thier 40's and 50's. They believed in marrying off young girls as soon as they reached puberty, 12/13 years old. The majority of the children are girls.
This looks like a FLDS compound for the sole purpose of creating child brides for older men. They can claim that this is religous persecution all they want while they are in prison for the rape of a child. They will get out of prison as Level III sex offenders for life which will pretty much put an end to the FLDS.
Ed | 1:16 p.m. April 14, 2008
Anytime you want to know WHY something is happening, all you have to do is
"Follow the money". In other words who profits or benefits from the
action. Is this another case like the Duke Lacros team where the team where the
DA is running for re-election? Does someone with influence has a score to
settle whit the FLDS church or one of it's members? Was this action the
repayment for a campaign contribution? Hopefully the media will, "Follow
The Money" and come up with the answer as they did in the Duke case. And,
I hope that those responsible for what happened are made to pay and pay dearly
for their actions.
E. Zach Lee | 1:26 p.m. April 14, 2008
Texas has arrested 400 children and almost no adult males. This is so
backwards. Since they cannot make a case against the men, they arrest the kids
thinking they will not have to come up with a case against them. At least they
are not killing them like they did in Waco, yet. Thank goodness for small
tyrants.
Don | 2:26 p.m. April 14, 2008
We are indeed a nation of Laws and Loopholes. Laws we must obey or else, and
loopholes for the government's convenience!
Duffy Spies | 2:27 p.m. April 14, 2008
It is the responsibility of the United States Government to protect the freedom
of religion this country was founded on...not to persecute people or make laws
against people based on their religious beliefs. The reason the United States is
here (besides attempted extermination of the natives) was to guarantee religious
freedom. Just because you don't agree with a religion doesn't make it
any more important than your own beliefs. Grow up, people! Remember what our
country is here for!
hey Ron B. | 2:25 p.m. April 14, 2008
First of all , one is suppose to be obeying the law not practicing polygamy
which is against the law...you just gave Utah and Arizona away. As they probably
have been letting these people vote over the original natives of both states.
What a farce! Yet worse happened to the red man and nobody gave a hoot! So run
your double standards some more but don't expect no allegiance here amongst
the people who fought for the rights to vote for the people who really needed it
and were locked out. I bet these guys were voting way before 1954 and that is
what really irks me as my children's granfather wasn't allowed too yet
he recieved high medals of honor way before that time. So you all can cry a
river but these are sick , sick people who look at a child with lust and
can't control it! Who's the Savages and who's the Dogs?
Land of the Free? | 2:35 p.m. April 14, 2008
FLDS is a cult - but in America we have freedom of religon.
Polygamy is against the law - so if Texas wishes to prosecute one of the MEN, so be it.
But rounding up the women and children and forcing them out of their homes? What crime have these women and children committed? If the women have consented to forcing their underage daughters into sexual relationships, then prosecute them too!
But until these ADULTS have been ARRESTED and CHARGED for a CRIME, then how can law enforcement force these mass evictions!?!??
Polygamy is against the law - so if Texas wishes to prosecute one of the MEN, so be it.
But rounding up the women and children and forcing them out of their homes? What crime have these women and children committed? If the women have consented to forcing their underage daughters into sexual relationships, then prosecute them too!
But until these ADULTS have been ARRESTED and CHARGED for a CRIME, then how can law enforcement force these mass evictions!?!??
Lawsy | 2:37 p.m. April 14, 2008
Could someone explain the concept of "freedom of religion" to me?
Asking this in regard to the adults there not the kids. Or has it gone the same way as Freedom of speech?
Asking this in regard to the adults there not the kids. Or has it gone the same way as Freedom of speech?
Greg | 2:48 p.m. April 14, 2008
The government agencies and its employees at this point are the criminals. This
was totally unjustifiable. This proves suggests that no one is safe from this
type of criminal intrusion.
US Citizen | 2:48 p.m. April 14, 2008
Well, I guess we should be thankful they didn't just drive a tank right
into
the house , inject flammable gas and simply incinerate the women and kids
like Waco.
the house , inject flammable gas and simply incinerate the women and kids
like Waco.
Dan | 2:51 p.m. April 14, 2008
How come these sites all have polygamist on them trying to change everyones mind
that sex abuse of children is just ok? You guys are all nuts! The FLDS church is
a sexual, abusive, immoral cult, not a religion.
George Green | 3:00 p.m. April 14, 2008
The only blessing for the Mothers and children is that Clinton and Janet Reno
are not involved.
Beez | 2:55 p.m. April 14, 2008
Here's the problem: the government KNOWS they overstepped their
bounds...but they're too stubborn to back down and lose face. Therefore,
this is just going to get uglier and uglier. They will eventually decide that
they have to bring a whole raft of charges to make the raid seem justified - and
then a year later, nearly all of the charges will be tossed out as baseless.
The sad thing is that there were probably at least a handful of children that NEEDED some sort of intervention...but because of the ham-handed way that the government handled this, they will have needlessly traumatized many perfectly safe children, and probably won't even be able to properly help the ones who needed it most.
The sad thing is that there were probably at least a handful of children that NEEDED some sort of intervention...but because of the ham-handed way that the government handled this, they will have needlessly traumatized many perfectly safe children, and probably won't even be able to properly help the ones who needed it most.
Duffy Spies | 2:56 p.m. April 14, 2008
F E A R Y O U R G O V E R N M E N T ! !
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This is no different than a Jim Jones cult that is psychologically controlling his masses to do his bidding. Beatings and sexual abuse are common.
You need to become better informed about what this cult is and what it is doing. Abuse in the name of god is first of all not of God, nor is it ever anything but abuse.