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Get the facts | 12:43 p.m. April 13, 2008
Agree with the poster at 12:25.
It's about the law to some of the stupid people who think it's about religion only.
Agree with CL; all abuse is wrong, whether under the "religious" guise or not.
Authorities investigated based upon a legal search. If there were mistakes, then let the legal system work. And yeah, before you start with your rantings, there are laws there specific to underage marriage and living in a "religious" compound does not exempt people from obeying those laws.
It's about the law to some of the stupid people who think it's about religion only.
Agree with CL; all abuse is wrong, whether under the "religious" guise or not.
Authorities investigated based upon a legal search. If there were mistakes, then let the legal system work. And yeah, before you start with your rantings, there are laws there specific to underage marriage and living in a "religious" compound does not exempt people from obeying those laws.
David | 12:39 p.m. April 13, 2008
Apparently many of you feel that we should just have let the FLDS alone despite
the fact the fact that 16 year old GIRLS in the community have 2 or more
children by 50 year old husbands. "Oh boo hoo we should leave these people
alone and sue the State of Texas." I disagree. These babies have been
taught that sexual abuse is NORMAL. Getting them off the compound gives them
the opportunity to feel safer and possibly talk which they would not do if they
REMAINED on site.
Apparently you all also forget that 16 year old boys are kicked out of the group as competition for females. You see a few tears and forget the big picture. The FLDS are about abuse and the cycle needs to be changed. This action was the start of that change unless you cry to leave the abusers alone which is what it does sound like.
Apparently you all also forget that 16 year old boys are kicked out of the group as competition for females. You see a few tears and forget the big picture. The FLDS are about abuse and the cycle needs to be changed. This action was the start of that change unless you cry to leave the abusers alone which is what it does sound like.
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Stright facts | 12:44 p.m. April 13, 2008
>>Get your facts straight and educate yourself on State and Federal laws,
especially those involving search and seizure.<<
It seems they "seized" the wrong people. They seized innocent kids and some of their mothers. That seems like kidnapping, and a violation of human rights. Go figure.
It seems they "seized" the wrong people. They seized innocent kids and some of their mothers. That seems like kidnapping, and a violation of human rights. Go figure.
So? | 12:39 p.m. April 13, 2008
What the age used to be is irrelavant.
It is 16 and they are breaking the law!!
Stupid.
Why do they move there? Maybe because UTAH didn't want them and would go after them.
It is 16 and they are breaking the law!!
Stupid.
Why do they move there? Maybe because UTAH didn't want them and would go after them.
Please... | 12:57 p.m. April 13, 2008
Stop whining!
These people are stupid sheep who were following a doctrine that was renounced by the mainstream church. And marrying girls who are underage is against the law there, no matter how much you don't like it. Don't excuse it and act like the leaders of this sect are not horrible men.
These people are stupid sheep who were following a doctrine that was renounced by the mainstream church. And marrying girls who are underage is against the law there, no matter how much you don't like it. Don't excuse it and act like the leaders of this sect are not horrible men.
Huh? | 12:52 p.m. April 13, 2008
"Yes, they practice polygamy, which is in violation of our laws."
Polygamy is being MARRIED to more than one person at a time. If these people were "married" spiritually (not by the laws of the state) in their temple, were they practicing polygamy? I think not. They were merely having sex with more than one person (not their spouse) at a time... Something you see in Hollywood and elsewhere all the time. One professional b-ball player reportedly has 9 kids with 8 different women. Go figure.
Polygamy is being MARRIED to more than one person at a time. If these people were "married" spiritually (not by the laws of the state) in their temple, were they practicing polygamy? I think not. They were merely having sex with more than one person (not their spouse) at a time... Something you see in Hollywood and elsewhere all the time. One professional b-ball player reportedly has 9 kids with 8 different women. Go figure.
Pity her? | 1:00 p.m. April 13, 2008
Just a question for the mothers in the article: Would you allow these innocent
children, who cling so piteously to your skirts now, to marry at age 14? Would
you allow a man, 50 years old or so, to marry your teenage daughter and take her
from you then? Would you attend her marriage ceremony and convince her not to
run away? If you were married at a young age and you allow your daughter to be
forced into that lifestyle because YOU believe it is right, how are you being a
good parent? Mothers in this plight are to be pitied, but if they are preparing
their daughters to follow in their footsteps, it seems abusive to me.
Don | 1:10 p.m. April 13, 2008
As Hal pointed out,that as the Amish and Mennonites
desire to live peaceful, quiet and dignified lives,
can we not allow them to do so. Must we compel all
to some "National Standard" of conformity?
Just food for thought,all of us might consider reading about "Perpetua", Roman History, 203 A.D.
city of Carthage.There is an interesting parallel with today. The story is very moving. Again follow the Constitution, it is amazing how well it works,
when it is followed. And if a true crime exists, then address that issue and that individual. But don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
desire to live peaceful, quiet and dignified lives,
can we not allow them to do so. Must we compel all
to some "National Standard" of conformity?
Just food for thought,all of us might consider reading about "Perpetua", Roman History, 203 A.D.
city of Carthage.There is an interesting parallel with today. The story is very moving. Again follow the Constitution, it is amazing how well it works,
when it is followed. And if a true crime exists, then address that issue and that individual. But don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
Freedom | 1:10 p.m. April 13, 2008
These kids have been kidnapped. Back in 1953 LeRoy Johnson made a promise to
find every child after the state of Arizona kidnapped them. He fought the state
in court to prevent the kids from getting addopted out. He defended the Navajo
Nation at the same time because the State would steel their children away and
adopt them out without permission of the parents. Roy Johnson helped to stop
that. Roy related an incident about meeting the Chief of the Navajo near Paige
Utah. The chief thanked him and promised to help the people of Short creek with
anything they needed. Maybe it's time to call in the great Navajo nation to
help to free these kids.
For Nancy, Monica and Shannon | 1:07 p.m. April 13, 2008
Tell it to the judge!!!
Stop complaining | 1:13 p.m. April 13, 2008
This just is creating more martyrdom with some of the religious nuts who think
these people were targeted. The law enforcement offices there had a good
relationship with the compound it was reported.
It was the phone calls received and then the affidavit of a rape allegation and abuse that led them to get a warrant for search.
The kids and mothers are innocent, I'll agree with that. But their leaders are not.
Don't worry; all you people who think that the goverment went too far will feel justified when it turns out that none of the victims turn on their
"leaders" because they are too afraid.
It was the phone calls received and then the affidavit of a rape allegation and abuse that led them to get a warrant for search.
The kids and mothers are innocent, I'll agree with that. But their leaders are not.
Don't worry; all you people who think that the goverment went too far will feel justified when it turns out that none of the victims turn on their
"leaders" because they are too afraid.
Mark | 1:28 p.m. April 13, 2008
These people are human beings not some sub-human species. They may belong to a
"different" kind of religion, but they are still human and need to be
treated with respect.
Re: Stright facts | 1:24 p.m. April 13, 2008
Seizure and kidnapping?
If you think that is what CPS does when they remove children from potentially abusive environments, then you scare me. However this situation went down, it is about making sure that the kids are safe in their religious commune before returning them to their parents. All children have a constitutional right to be safe and free from abuse and neglect. Parents can�t abdicate their responsibility to their children and whether you like it or not, the government is required to remove children and investigate complaints of alleged abuse or neglect on their behalf.
If you think that is what CPS does when they remove children from potentially abusive environments, then you scare me. However this situation went down, it is about making sure that the kids are safe in their religious commune before returning them to their parents. All children have a constitutional right to be safe and free from abuse and neglect. Parents can�t abdicate their responsibility to their children and whether you like it or not, the government is required to remove children and investigate complaints of alleged abuse or neglect on their behalf.
Get some air. | 1:29 p.m. April 13, 2008
Looks like every government conspiracy, religious nut WACKO in the world came
out of the woodwork to post today.
Joyce | 1:31 p.m. April 13, 2008
DNA will prove who the mother's and father's are.
Then charges can be filed.
Rape is rape I don't care who or where you are.
Then charges can be filed.
Rape is rape I don't care who or where you are.
Worried about police power | 1:41 p.m. April 13, 2008
If a judge thought that guns were harmful and considered a potential for abuse -
does that give the courts and police the right to go into the homes of everyone
they think "might" have a gun and take the children from them
"for their protection". What type of "counseling" would
their be to make sure the children could transition away from the harmful and
evil side of guns?
David | 1:52 p.m. April 13, 2008
I will treat the FLDS adults with respect when they stop abusing their sons and
daughters. When the FLDS community allows other members to rape children, then
they too are guilty. The big picture is about removing children from homes that
ALLOW for child rape not about pretended religious freedom since the religious
freedom would be in allowing old men to have sex with young girls....that
remains child rape. Boo hoo families are being separated...tough. Again folks,
it's about child abuse and child sexual abuse. Don't forget that when
the FLDS mothers cry. How much protest was made by those SAME MOTHERS as 13
year olds were "taken" on the "holy temple bed" immediately
following marriage? How quickly were those same mothers to let the "church
authorities" know that there daughters were now "women?" Sorry,
I feel no sympathy for crocodile tears considering the situation.
poorly thought out | 1:51 p.m. April 13, 2008
My problem with this raid�since the
beginning�is how poorly thought out it appears to have
been. There are likely cases of abuse going on, and perhaps a whole lot of
them. If the state wanted to take down the FLDS faith, the best way to do it is
to destroy their credibility and systematically demonstrate systematic abuse.
Instead, they've raided the compound, taken the abused (instead of the
accused) and sequestered them from their loved ones. Now, the state is in a
very defensive mode and has to prove everyone's guilt all at one.
Instead, they could have identified a single case of abuse. Then another, then another. After several such cases came into the public eye, the entire public would be on the State's side. We are, after all, a national of precedence.
All they have done is to create a martyred group that they cannot possibly fend off all at once, and to solidify any beliefs--misconceived or otherwise--that these folks had about the 'outside' world.
This was just stupid.
Instead, they could have identified a single case of abuse. Then another, then another. After several such cases came into the public eye, the entire public would be on the State's side. We are, after all, a national of precedence.
All they have done is to create a martyred group that they cannot possibly fend off all at once, and to solidify any beliefs--misconceived or otherwise--that these folks had about the 'outside' world.
This was just stupid.
Mitoshi | 2:09 p.m. April 13, 2008
Seems to me that Texas authorities had some reason to look into the situation at
the fundamentalist ranch. It was handled very wrongly however. In the process of
protecting one persons rights they violated a great many other person's
rights. Was the raid for the greater good? No! The raid was fashioned as not to
have another Waco incident. Texas has a history of dealing with reclusive
religions in a "Jack Boot" style. It will happen again I'll bet.
The role of law is to protect the indiviual from the rest of us. In doing so the
law can not violate the rights of others. This business is tragic and wrong.
Texas should have investigated the reason for the aledged call for help by going
to the ranch with search warrent. I'm sure the sheriff doesn't follow
up anonymous phone calls from other places in his jurisdiction with such zeal
and back up. This whole mess could have been a voined with some thought.
Re: David and Huh? | 2:08 p.m. April 13, 2008
To David--
Your point is exactly the same as mine. Religion or no religion, tears or no tears, bias or no bias, this is abuse. Plain, outright abuse.
What most people tend to whine, then, is "well, other people abuse girls toooooo . . ."
So that must make the FLDS abuse A-OK.
What's wrong with the FLDS is that they teach that this is NORMAL (like David said). It is NORMAL there for a husband to beat up his wife.
To Huh?--
Okay. I get it. So being "spiritually" married makes it all okay.
GARBAGE!
I can't believe you are trying to snake your way out of the truth like this.
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po�lyg�a�my [puh-lig-uh-mee]
�noun 1. the practice or condition of having more than one spouse, esp. wife, at one time.
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Does it say *by the laws of the state???*
Your point is exactly the same as mine. Religion or no religion, tears or no tears, bias or no bias, this is abuse. Plain, outright abuse.
What most people tend to whine, then, is "well, other people abuse girls toooooo . . ."
So that must make the FLDS abuse A-OK.
What's wrong with the FLDS is that they teach that this is NORMAL (like David said). It is NORMAL there for a husband to beat up his wife.
To Huh?--
Okay. I get it. So being "spiritually" married makes it all okay.
GARBAGE!
I can't believe you are trying to snake your way out of the truth like this.
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po�lyg�a�my [puh-lig-uh-mee]
�noun 1. the practice or condition of having more than one spouse, esp. wife, at one time.
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Does it say *by the laws of the state???*
Jessejames | 2:27 p.m. April 13, 2008
Wow! Regardless of what we all might think of polygamy, to hear this mother of
five talk about her loss is heart wrenching. The affects of this will affect us
all. Wow! Look at the power we've given Child Protective Services. Big
Government. Let's give em more power more money. Good work Law Enforcement.
Yet another example of poorly executed judgement on the part of our elected
officials. Government knows best. The state of Texas is treating their citizens
like chattel. Unbelievable.
To Huh: | 2:38 p.m. April 13, 2008
Having sex with another besides your legal lawful wife and telling someone about
it and having children by another woman is called, under the law "common
law" marriage. You are married to more than one person. I called it
adultery. What you called it not a legal description. OH, year, it's just
sex. Reality eludes you.
Jessejames | 2:34 p.m. April 13, 2008
David:
Remember the proverbial "cloak of charity". Now, would be a great time excerise the use of it. I understand your frustration, but maybe you could just hang back awhile and let this situation work out and see who violated whom.
Remember the proverbial "cloak of charity". Now, would be a great time excerise the use of it. I understand your frustration, but maybe you could just hang back awhile and let this situation work out and see who violated whom.
My 2 cents | 3:05 p.m. April 13, 2008
We all know these women wouldn't be talking without the express permission
of the higher-ups. It's interesting to note the stone-deaf silence coming
from the men. It shows what cowards the male predators really are. In the long
run, I hope these kids (especially all of the pregnant teens who have been
raped) are able to lead happy, normal lives away from the mind control and
abuse.
Roger | 3:05 p.m. April 13, 2008
"Women and Children first!" Is not meant to cause pain, and seperate
loved ones in this age of awareness and care. This Texas case is a throw-back
historically to when "women and cildren" had no rights. We are witness
to the devolution of justice.
It is much easier to round-up the weak and defenseless and bully them into submission. If there are victims here, it IS the women & children. If there are victimizers, it IS the men!
"GET THE MEN!!" Incarcerate them, for safe-keeping, if they are a danger and a threat to their community's defenseless members.
Then exercise "due process". That's the way in any country that protects its citizens from abuse. We are all too familiar with countries that run counter to those standards. Now in America? So very sad.
It is much easier to round-up the weak and defenseless and bully them into submission. If there are victims here, it IS the women & children. If there are victimizers, it IS the men!
"GET THE MEN!!" Incarcerate them, for safe-keeping, if they are a danger and a threat to their community's defenseless members.
Then exercise "due process". That's the way in any country that protects its citizens from abuse. We are all too familiar with countries that run counter to those standards. Now in America? So very sad.
Why are they still there? | 3:29 p.m. April 13, 2008
If these women love their children SO much, why are they not with them? Other
women left with the children.
No one would take my children with out me going too.... and from my understanding there are many women who went with their chilren...
No one would take my children with out me going too.... and from my understanding there are many women who went with their chilren...
Anonymous | 3:38 p.m. April 13, 2008
Kudos to Texas.
ToJesseJames | 4:00 p.m. April 13, 2008
There is no need for a "cloak of charity" when we already have a long
track record. We already know that within the FLDS community men marry underage
women. How do we know this? We have witnesses/victims that have told us so.
We also have young women with multiple children. We have "lost boys"
that have been kicked out of the community and struggle to survive along with
their eye witness accounts. Why were they kicked out? Because they were
competition for females. The truths have already been laid out with other names
of other victims. We also know that incest occurs as a standard course, so you
may want to look up fumerase deficiency to get you up to speed. Adultery,
whether church sanctioned or not, is not the issue. The issue at hand is child
abuse and child sexual abuse, again recent history shows us that this is not
only likely but probable.
Now look at your bible and point to the first polygamist...oh a murderer. Then we have Abraham with Hagar and still suffer the trouble that union caused.
Again it is about crimes that are consistent with the group.
Now look at your bible and point to the first polygamist...oh a murderer. Then we have Abraham with Hagar and still suffer the trouble that union caused.
Again it is about crimes that are consistent with the group.
john b | 4:03 p.m. April 13, 2008
the law says CPS has to investegate child abuse by taking the children from the
parents until they are sure the children will be safe in the home .sence nether
the children or the mothers would say who the children belonged to and they knew
that some of them had been abused by law they had to take all of them. and if
the mothers let their 13yr old girls be forceed into mariage and yet as the
report said had contact with the outside world they are as guilty as the men in
the site of justus this probley wont be printed because it dont agree with most
posts here
Dave | 4:01 p.m. April 13, 2008
I believe that there was probable cause to search. However I also agree that the
men should have been removed and not the women and children from the compound.
The authorities found evidence of under age mothers. So there was child abuse
going on. Let the justice system take it's course.
jessejames | 4:05 p.m. April 13, 2008
TO JESSE JAMES:
The issue is not the long history of Polygamy as you say it is, but what has happened in Eldorado Tx, over the past ten days. Your bias shows brother or sister. The issue is how CPS handled this matter, and how or if they violated citizens of the U.S. Civil Liberty's. I agree there's abuses, but again, the focus should be on what is unfolding in Texas.
The issue is not the long history of Polygamy as you say it is, but what has happened in Eldorado Tx, over the past ten days. Your bias shows brother or sister. The issue is how CPS handled this matter, and how or if they violated citizens of the U.S. Civil Liberty's. I agree there's abuses, but again, the focus should be on what is unfolding in Texas.
JesseJames | 4:08 p.m. April 13, 2008
(sloop)John B.
Your comments are unsubstantiated and vague at best. There is no proof of abuse yet. You've heard the media talk about 16 yr old girls being pregnant. That's not against Texas law buddy.
Your comments are unsubstantiated and vague at best. There is no proof of abuse yet. You've heard the media talk about 16 yr old girls being pregnant. That's not against Texas law buddy.
russ | 4:13 p.m. April 13, 2008
Hal: please don't drag the Amish and the Mennonites into this cat fight.
They don't do what the FLDS has been practicing: polygamy, and based on
convictions in court, child abuse. We have Mennonites live in our area and they
mingle with us, etc. They even, forbid, hold scientific research positions at
the university. They are my neighbors. They send their children out into the
world to do good.
The Mennonites are not like the FLDS.
The Mennonites are not like the FLDS.
M | 4:22 p.m. April 13, 2008
First and foremost, the children must be safe. Kudos to Texas for stepping in.
FLDS member states "How can this happen in America?" The polygamists
can't choose which laws they want to obey and which to ignore.
These pedophiles (men and women)are brainwashing children and raising their own little sex slaves.
These pedophiles (men and women)are brainwashing children and raising their own little sex slaves.
commonsense1 | 4:24 p.m. April 13, 2008
The inability of the FLDS to be honest and upright US citizens with something as
simple as who their family members are, is indicative of the secretive, illegal
practices and beliefs they espouse. The police evidence will show the abuses are
more numerous than a few underage marriages.
It's time to turn on the lights and expose the injustices committed against the women and children of this closed community. The weak and cowardly male members (improper to call them men) of the FLDS group need to be rounded-up and prosecuted for their pedophilia.
It's time to turn on the lights and expose the injustices committed against the women and children of this closed community. The weak and cowardly male members (improper to call them men) of the FLDS group need to be rounded-up and prosecuted for their pedophilia.
texan | 4:46 p.m. April 13, 2008
It is hard to feel sorry for these women. They live in a society where sexual
abuse is so accepted that they don't even seem to realize it's wrong.
Don't mess with Texas | 4:48 p.m. April 13, 2008
I agree, the men should have been extracted instead of women and children, but
once CPS was called in, the choice was made to extract all possible victims.
Where are these men now? Why do we not hear anything about them?
Raising girls to have babies as soon as they reach puberty, what barbarism under the guise of religion!
Where are these men now? Why do we not hear anything about them?
Raising girls to have babies as soon as they reach puberty, what barbarism under the guise of religion!
the Ogre | 5:23 p.m. April 13, 2008
"Instead of justifying the lifestyle, the mainstream LDS members would be
better served to break up these compounds where abuse is systemic. They will
tarnish the image of the church in the way the Islamic fundamentalists have
tarnished mainstream Islam. It's really in your best interest to denounce
these groups."
Yeah, right!!! the LDS church has the ability to project its whims upon any other person or organization. These folks have not been a part of the LDS church for over a hundred years. Church discipline would never work.
These folks are also not in the same vein as Wahabists or other Islamic fundies. They are not murderbombing anyone. They seem fairly peaceful.
There are allocations of abuse. I think Texas will work it out, but to expect the LDS church to is silly and exceptionally immature.
Yeah, right!!! the LDS church has the ability to project its whims upon any other person or organization. These folks have not been a part of the LDS church for over a hundred years. Church discipline would never work.
These folks are also not in the same vein as Wahabists or other Islamic fundies. They are not murderbombing anyone. They seem fairly peaceful.
There are allocations of abuse. I think Texas will work it out, but to expect the LDS church to is silly and exceptionally immature.
Alf | 5:31 p.m. April 13, 2008
"And marrying girls who are underage is against the law there..."
Whoa friend. They are not married. By the law of the land anyway. Their marriages are spiritual... in their temple.
Whoa friend. They are not married. By the law of the land anyway. Their marriages are spiritual... in their temple.
Bert | 5:38 p.m. April 13, 2008
"If you think that is what CPS does when they remove children from
potentially abusive environments, then you scare me."
And what scares me is conduct that you would typically find in Nazi Germany.
And what scares me is conduct that you would typically find in Nazi Germany.
therin | 5:47 p.m. April 13, 2008
===DNA will prove who the mother's and father's are.
Then charges can be filed.=== Joice
They are all related. Their DNA all matches.
Then charges can be filed.=== Joice
They are all related. Their DNA all matches.
wrz | 5:42 p.m. April 13, 2008
>>If a judge thought that guns were harmful and considered a potential for
abuse - does that give the courts and police the right to go into the homes of
everyone they think "might" have a gun and take the children from them
"for their protection". What type of "counseling" would
their be to make sure the children could transition away from the harmful and
evil side of guns?<<
Don't put ideas into their heads.
Don't put ideas into their heads.
Huh? | 5:47 p.m. April 13, 2008
**�noun 1. the practice or condition of having more than
one spouse, esp. wife, at one time.
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Does it say *by the laws of the state???**
Then, of course, you'd want Hollywood raided. Or perhaps the Bunny Ranch.
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Does it say *by the laws of the state???**
Then, of course, you'd want Hollywood raided. Or perhaps the Bunny Ranch.
Texas Ute | 5:56 p.m. April 13, 2008
It's called slavery.
wrz | 5:55 p.m. April 13, 2008
>>If these women love their children SO much, why are they not with them?
Other women left with the children. <<
One woman came back from a trip to found her kids gone... stolen.. kidnapped... By the government no less.
One woman came back from a trip to found her kids gone... stolen.. kidnapped... By the government no less.
SKAT | 5:56 p.m. April 13, 2008
If they "love" their children so much...why do they allow them to be
abused. Read some of the stories, of which there are many, about people women
and the lost boys who are kicked out...read their stories there are many. And
explain this...a 16 year old was taken who already had 4 kids...YOU DO THE MATH!
It is sexual/rape abuse of kids.
I agree it might have been a much better idea to take the men away instead...but hindsite is always better.
My question is how do you claim to love your children but yet allow them to be sexually abused by the gross old men...pretators. Does not matter which religion it is...catholic, Baptist, Morman whatever....ABUSE IS ABUSE...any way you look at it.
I agree it might have been a much better idea to take the men away instead...but hindsite is always better.
My question is how do you claim to love your children but yet allow them to be sexually abused by the gross old men...pretators. Does not matter which religion it is...catholic, Baptist, Morman whatever....ABUSE IS ABUSE...any way you look at it.
Charlesh | 6:00 p.m. April 13, 2008
The FLDS are secretive because a raid just like this one happened in 1953 in
Shortcreek.
They want to be apart, which is THEIR RIGHT.
The Constitution is DEAD.
It was killed in action by the Texas Rangers on orders from the Texas law enforcement.
If you want to see the FLDS open up, then stop using Nazi tactics and strategy.
They want to be apart, which is THEIR RIGHT.
The Constitution is DEAD.
It was killed in action by the Texas Rangers on orders from the Texas law enforcement.
If you want to see the FLDS open up, then stop using Nazi tactics and strategy.
David | 6:07 p.m. April 13, 2008
This whole news thing is separating L-D-S members. MOST PEOPLE IN OUR WARD TODAY
WERE APPALLED with the dumb feel sorry for polygamy routine going on within the
news of Utah. IT'S ALL EXTREMELY SMELLY HOG WASH!
Come on guys! This is nothing but pure old CHILD ABUSE with adulterers, porn pevies, slavery and fornication. There is nothing religious going on in those polygamist cults. Some of us know this.
Come on guys! This is nothing but pure old CHILD ABUSE with adulterers, porn pevies, slavery and fornication. There is nothing religious going on in those polygamist cults. Some of us know this.
Tex transplant | 6:09 p.m. April 13, 2008
These men are just perverts, having sex with underage girls, which yes, is
statutory rape, and now stand silent?
We have a term for that that can't be published here.
I don't give a whit about what their religious practices are, it's about whether it's proven they broke the law and damaged the innocent. The complaints are about rape and abuse. They have to investigate that. We'll see what happens in court. And let it play out before all the anti government ranting continues. I can't imagine the logistical nightmare of who the mothers are, what the names are, how many children, who are the fathers, etc etc.
We have a term for that that can't be published here.
I don't give a whit about what their religious practices are, it's about whether it's proven they broke the law and damaged the innocent. The complaints are about rape and abuse. They have to investigate that. We'll see what happens in court. And let it play out before all the anti government ranting continues. I can't imagine the logistical nightmare of who the mothers are, what the names are, how many children, who are the fathers, etc etc.
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There are laws in that state about underage marriage whether you like it or not. Look it up."
Marriage age in Texas once was 14. That's one reason why FLDS move there. Then Texas upped it to 16. Fourteen was apparently OK for Texans but not for FLDS.