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Diane V. McLoughlin | 1:38 p.m. April 11, 2008
It is an appalling abuse of authority to tear children from their mother's
arms without due probable cause in each individual case that the mothers
themselves are abusers. The mothers are victims. The state would do well to keep
this firmly in mind. If this is not rectified immediately, with all the
children reunited with their mothers, these children will suffer emotional scars
caused from such trauma that will handicap them for the rest of their lives. I
repeat, the mothers themselves are victims. The state is victimizing them
through abuse of authority just as they suffered abuse of authority on the
compound. Enough. Reunite the mothers with their children. Begin the long
healing process for all, through counceling, and a neighborly reaching out from
the wider community. Nothing the state has done so far proves Warren Jeffs
wrong when he warned his followers against the evils of the wider world. To
prove him wrong one must lead with love and compassion and care. That is how
everybody wins.
NEVER trust the State implicitly | 1:33 p.m. April 11, 2008
If you trust TEXAS, as a government entity to
do right by these little children, I
guarentee, they will be in as bad a shape
as they were in the community.
Michigan's children protective services
is a joke, always has been. My foster brother
and his siblings were not loved, not cared
for, and even abused by the system, akin to
anything that is happening in the Polygamist
family.
Each mother and child should be evaluated
Children should have access to their mothers!
The way this was handled is appalling!
Yes, it needs to be dealt with, but NOT
ENMASS! I agree, you do not exhaustively
believe one call to include every single
mother and child. The separation can do
untold amounts of damage!
do right by these little children, I
guarentee, they will be in as bad a shape
as they were in the community.
Michigan's children protective services
is a joke, always has been. My foster brother
and his siblings were not loved, not cared
for, and even abused by the system, akin to
anything that is happening in the Polygamist
family.
Each mother and child should be evaluated
Children should have access to their mothers!
The way this was handled is appalling!
Yes, it needs to be dealt with, but NOT
ENMASS! I agree, you do not exhaustively
believe one call to include every single
mother and child. The separation can do
untold amounts of damage!
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For Diane | 1:47 p.m. April 11, 2008
You are amazing. Texas has not ripped the children from the mothers arms. All
mothers that want to be with their children are with their children. Proof of
this is the 139 mothers with the children. These children probably do not know
which is there actual mother anyway. You want to accuse Texas of being the
abusers. You have obviously been brainwashed by one of the groups.
Jon | 1:56 p.m. April 11, 2008
Unfortunately State child protective services are many times filled with inept
people. It is best to do what's best for the children. But many times
State custody is never for the best..
Val | 1:59 p.m. April 11, 2008
A 14 year old being forced to marry a 50 year old man by her father and mother
is certainly considered abuse in my book. So does the state of Texas and the US
Laws. Plural marriage is against the law, however it being a religious belief we
do not touch that issue.
Freedom of religion is the foundation of this country and that is a wonderful thing. But when children suffer because of culture "ideals" it is not good. FLDS church considers itself a followers of christ but are their actions in line with what he teaches? Those young girls who are forced into unhealthy, traumatic experiences might have something to say about that.
Freedom of religion is the foundation of this country and that is a wonderful thing. But when children suffer because of culture "ideals" it is not good. FLDS church considers itself a followers of christ but are their actions in line with what he teaches? Those young girls who are forced into unhealthy, traumatic experiences might have something to say about that.
Sokol | 2:05 p.m. April 11, 2008
The fascistic unconstitutional 'intervention' by Texas is yet again
another example of state's obliterating the rights of parents. The
violation
of due process rights and constitutional protections
by these agencies is common practice in almost every
state. Many parents lose their parental rights over
allegations, sometimes after all the evidence supports the truth of their innocence, time flies by
and the parents never see their children again. The
nightmarish trauma imposed by the state should be fought legally and even by taking up arms against
the usurping of the parent child bond.
of due process rights and constitutional protections
by these agencies is common practice in almost every
state. Many parents lose their parental rights over
allegations, sometimes after all the evidence supports the truth of their innocence, time flies by
and the parents never see their children again. The
nightmarish trauma imposed by the state should be fought legally and even by taking up arms against
the usurping of the parent child bond.
Sokol | 2:15 p.m. April 11, 2008
To For Diane, at this point, only false accussations
and innuendos are used to keep these mothers from
their children. These mother, likely poor, have no
constitutional protections nor do the children advocating their cause to espouse their side of the
events. Another words, the state has illegally done
the following: "YOU ARE GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT." When did that change in the country? When did the reverse of our constitutional rights
become the law? Judges will base this on the theory of the state having, unconstitional basis
for owning your children...which is totally absurd.
and innuendos are used to keep these mothers from
their children. These mother, likely poor, have no
constitutional protections nor do the children advocating their cause to espouse their side of the
events. Another words, the state has illegally done
the following: "YOU ARE GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT." When did that change in the country? When did the reverse of our constitutional rights
become the law? Judges will base this on the theory of the state having, unconstitional basis
for owning your children...which is totally absurd.
H | 2:16 p.m. April 11, 2008
Foster care will abuse these children as much or worse than they've already
been abused. This is a nightmare for them.
"New clothes and new hairstyles" should be required to get their children back? Seriously? If they look different, then they will get their kids back? I'm sure there'll be a line a mile long at the salon. Come on.
I'm betting they haven't identified the 16 year old girl because she hasn't spoken up. If I made a 911 call that resulted in 400 children being torn from their parents, I wouldn't admit it either. How awful. You think you're getting help for yourself, not intruding in everyone's lives. My guess is she's suicidal.
"New clothes and new hairstyles" should be required to get their children back? Seriously? If they look different, then they will get their kids back? I'm sure there'll be a line a mile long at the salon. Come on.
I'm betting they haven't identified the 16 year old girl because she hasn't spoken up. If I made a 911 call that resulted in 400 children being torn from their parents, I wouldn't admit it either. How awful. You think you're getting help for yourself, not intruding in everyone's lives. My guess is she's suicidal.
Liberatarian | 2:25 p.m. April 11, 2008
I would never trust the government to do what is right.
Mark Johnson | 2:32 p.m. April 11, 2008
I just want to make clear, because I'm not sure it has really been
clarified here, that the LDS church is vastly different from the FLDS.
"It's outrageous this is happening in America."
The really outrageous thing is that this abuse has been tolerated for so long. Call it what you want, but forcing a 14 year old to be married to a 50 year old is against the law.
"It's outrageous this is happening in America."
The really outrageous thing is that this abuse has been tolerated for so long. Call it what you want, but forcing a 14 year old to be married to a 50 year old is against the law.
Are You My Mother? | 2:35 p.m. April 11, 2008
Give me a blooming break!! Do you REALLY believe that these kids don't
know who their biological mothers are? Are some of you really that naive to
believe EVERYTHING the media is reporting? If it seems unbelievable, it likely
IS!! Everyone is so anxious to vilify these people in every possible way. This
is a nightmare situation that will only get worse until someone with a clear
head makes decisions that are truly in the best interest of the children and
focuses on the actual crimes committed (and yes, I am fully aware of the
horrific practices they follow that SHOULD be addressed and stopped). Do you
honestly think it would harm the children (especially the younger children) to
be with their mothers under supervision? I do believe the children with health
issues are at great risk without their mothers present. I feel sick.
Anonymous | 2:41 p.m. April 11, 2008
When they come for the trade unionists, or jews, or communists, it is wrong,
and I will speak against it. When they come for the child molesters, to rescue
their victims, it is the right thing.
Rich | 2:47 p.m. April 11, 2008
I say let's give time to the authorities to sort out what was happening at
this compound. There's a possibility that the entire society was little
more than a brainwashing operation designed to convince children to marry older
men, and the mothers were allowing the practice. My view is that if polygamy is
illegal, the rules banning it should be enforced. Otherwise, change the state
constition or state law so that polygamy is legalized and legitimized.
Relocated Southerner | 2:53 p.m. April 11, 2008
"New clothes and new hairstyles" required to get their children back?
Since when do we have the hair and clothing police? What an absurd idea! By
this reasoning, children in Amish communities should be ripped from their homes
because someone doesn't like the way their parents dress or wear their
hair, as should children of members of the United Pentecostal Church and many
other fundamentalist religions. Let's not stop there. If a man's
hair is "too long", let's remove his children, too! Whoever
suggested that is way off base. Their hairstyles and clothing choices have
nothing to do with their ability to be parents. Breaking other laws do, but not
the way they choose to dress or how long their hair may or may not be. Get
real!
Can't believe the idiocy! | 2:59 p.m. April 11, 2008
PapaCorn, shame on you. And, shame on everyone who as come on here to defend
these people. I love it. You can get away with anything if you do it under the
guise of religion. If my husband were to have sex with and impregnate a 15 year
old girl, he'd be in jail. If I knew about it or helped him, I'd be
in trouble for being an accomplice. However, these sick people just have to
scream religious freedom and it is magically okay. Wake up people. That
commune is on American soil, which means that the people living there must
follow the law. And, I believe the law guarantees the right to life, liberty
and the pursuit of happiness. Its unfortunate that so many of you don't
believe these rights apply to the women and children who have lived under the
rule of the FLDS. And if anyone is delusional enough to say that these people
are happy with their lives, then please read some of the many stories from the
women who have escaped. They all tell the same twisted tales.
FLDS mothers | 3:07 p.m. April 11, 2008
it is a little late to start feigning concern for the welfare of your children
Just looked | 3:14 p.m. April 11, 2008
I looked at all the pics on the web of the "compound". Pretty nice
place. Better than some of the low income housing I've seen provided by the
gov't. The women and children looked healthy, well nourished. Better than
what I've seen in the gov't sub. programs. Didn't see women who
have broken bones, limping, black eyes. They look like strong women with well
behaved children. Texas leave those families alone.
st geo | 3:22 p.m. April 11, 2008
They had an inside informant for the past 4 years. So that is more than just 1
phone call from a 16 year old.
Anonymous | 3:27 p.m. April 11, 2008
Let the mothers see their children!! It is hard enough for these kids.
concerned Mom | 3:43 p.m. April 11, 2008
If these parents hadn't taught their kids to lie about what their names
were and who their parents are, this mess would be a lot easier to straighten
out and these kids would be with their moms. Because of the culture of deceit
indoctrinated into these people, we should be glad the caseworkers are working
to hard to verify who the actual mothers are.
RE: Just Looked | 3:44 p.m. April 11, 2008
You are telling Texas to leave the families alone??? Are you part of them?
Yes, lets leave the children to be continually abused and molested. Yes, let's walk away and turn a blind eye to the horrors these children are living with...it is they way they are raised and the beliefs that are embedded into the innocent minds so therefore it is okay to hide behind the skirts of religion. It is okay to encourage yet another generation of future child molesters.
Your post is really disturbing.
I feel for the children as well as the mothers. This is the way they are TOLD life happens and none of then have the ability to think, "this is wrong". Such a sad existence. They have lost their constitutional rights by having the mis-fortune of being born into this religion.
Yes, lets leave the children to be continually abused and molested. Yes, let's walk away and turn a blind eye to the horrors these children are living with...it is they way they are raised and the beliefs that are embedded into the innocent minds so therefore it is okay to hide behind the skirts of religion. It is okay to encourage yet another generation of future child molesters.
Your post is really disturbing.
I feel for the children as well as the mothers. This is the way they are TOLD life happens and none of then have the ability to think, "this is wrong". Such a sad existence. They have lost their constitutional rights by having the mis-fortune of being born into this religion.
Concerned Dad | 4:10 p.m. April 11, 2008
Wake up everyone. This is Child Protective Services in it's Glory. It
alarms me the power people like this spokelady have. I've seen her on TV
and she looks like your typical power hungry CPS worker. Everyone should check
the internet to know your rights if these preditors show up at your door.
Chrildren need protection, but God forbid these people do it. That being said, I
beleive all the Children of this cult are in danger and should be removed,
however every effort should be made to allow these MOm's access to join
their Children AT THE SHELTER. Let the Mom's who were away move into the
shelter if they want to see thier kids.
Stranger | 4:11 p.m. April 11, 2008
We can see in the news were many states over act or better yet not do anything.
Texas does not have a good track record in acting. Since the state has caused
so much greif and has caused traumatic experiences for the familys, will they be
held accountable for what they have done.
Prepping a 4 year old for a gang | 4:14 p.m. April 11, 2008
Today on Fox News they had a story about some young parents of a four year old
where the 19 year old father was arrested for threatening to kill the teen
mother over a dispute on which gang to raise the child in. The parents belong
to different gangs and they both want their child to grow up in the gang that
they are in. Kind of like which church to raise a child in, that one is a hard
one, but my goodness, which gang to groom our four year old in. So how does
this apply to the FLDS, mothers and fathers groom their children to do what they
are told to do by their church leaders. And one of the main things they do, is
have young girls marry old men, not all the time, but they are commanded to give
their bodies to these men. So, I find great fault in these mothers, even if
they have not as yet forced their daughters into this action, they will.
In San Angelo | 4:54 p.m. April 11, 2008
I live in San Angelo and have seen these children playing outside.. they are not
in a concentration camp.. they are being very well cared for. I'm in full
support of what Texas is doing regarding the FLDS.... laws were broken. And
where were these concerned mothers when their children were being raped? You
can't hide criminal activity under a religious banner.
reality check | 5:10 p.m. April 11, 2008
while I feel bad that these kids had to be seperated from their mothers, it is
their mothers that were allowing this to happen. It's the same as the
mother that ignores her husband (stepfather) molesting her child. We've
all seen it in the news and think "how could that woman ignore that"?
Same thing going on here - in the name of religion.
Rachel | 5:12 p.m. April 11, 2008
Thank you Deseret News!!! This is exactly what is wrong with the way the
authorities are handling this situation!!! Just because the men have created a
nightmare for everyone in that compound, doesn't give Texas the right to
take all of the children from their mothers. Absolutely gross.
a mom too | 5:18 p.m. April 11, 2008
I don't agree with the FLDS church, however I am a mother and I can't
even imagine what those children are going through. They need their mothers.
Their whole world is crumbling around them and to take their mothers away is
cruel. They have been raised from birth (including their mothers) to fear the
outside world and it's evils. We need to show them a little compassion if
we ever expect them to feel differently. It takes more than removing them from
the compound to bring about change. It is going to take time and trust and how
is that going to happen if we take away the most important thing they have left.
Utah Mom | 5:24 p.m. April 11, 2008
Abuse does not deserve sympathy or defending. These children just need to be
saved. Of course there will be broken hearts and pain. But it will help these
children to live happier more productive lives.
Concerned Dad | 5:24 p.m. April 11, 2008
I think this is a cult, living on American Soil. Religious freedom does not give
50 year olds the right to sleep with 14 year old girls anymore than I can start
a religion where it is OK to kill strangers or not pay taxes. The law is the
law. My concern is Child Protective Services. Their rights are far to reaching
and we should all understand our rights if they show up at our door. The old
saying, If you have nothing to hide then cooperate does not apply with them. The
children of this cult need to be protected (even from their own mothers who
allow the early marriage)at any cost. The trama for these kids is great enough,
they should be allowed to see their Mom's is a supervised enviroment and if
the Mom's are willing to move to the place their children are held.
mom too | 5:54 p.m. April 11, 2008
Of course these moms are mad. What mom wouldn't be?
There are two reasons they need to see and be with their children...
1. Because they love their kids and they want to protect them.
2. Because they need to "remind" their kids to not speak to anyone.
I hope they are seperated long enough that some of these kids will see that these aren't really so great at the ranch.
There are two reasons they need to see and be with their children...
1. Because they love their kids and they want to protect them.
2. Because they need to "remind" their kids to not speak to anyone.
I hope they are seperated long enough that some of these kids will see that these aren't really so great at the ranch.
Jen Shostak | 6:15 p.m. April 11, 2008
Today's Wall Street Journal writes concerning the Texas CPS' legal
strategy for keeping custody of all of the kids. It confirms that CPS'
strategy appears to be a broad-brush approach saying that FLDS is a
child-molesting organization, and therefore ALL mothers with children in custody
should be deemed unfit mothers and have their children taken away.
That legal strategy violates the Due Process rights of the children and the mothers (both evil and innocent), because the hearings are supposed to be adversarial evidentiary hearings on a child by child basis, per the Texas Family Code. An evidentiary hearing is one based on competent evidence, not hearsay, religious prejudice, broad generalizations or politics.
Readers who care about the bond between each mother and her child(ren) should try to get word to these mothers, inside or outside the CPS facilities, that: Under Federal and Texas law, if a mother cannot afford a lawyer, the court has to appoint one for her. The mothers should actively cooperate with their lawyers and assert their right to force Texas CPS to prove, as to each particular mother, using direct evidence, that they are not fit to keep custody of their child(ren).
That legal strategy violates the Due Process rights of the children and the mothers (both evil and innocent), because the hearings are supposed to be adversarial evidentiary hearings on a child by child basis, per the Texas Family Code. An evidentiary hearing is one based on competent evidence, not hearsay, religious prejudice, broad generalizations or politics.
Readers who care about the bond between each mother and her child(ren) should try to get word to these mothers, inside or outside the CPS facilities, that: Under Federal and Texas law, if a mother cannot afford a lawyer, the court has to appoint one for her. The mothers should actively cooperate with their lawyers and assert their right to force Texas CPS to prove, as to each particular mother, using direct evidence, that they are not fit to keep custody of their child(ren).
just me | 6:43 p.m. April 11, 2008
PLEAS HELP THEM
Professor | 6:54 p.m. April 11, 2008
There is a rule of law. It seems the due process rights of these mothers and
children have been violated. Shame on Texas.
alwayssmiley | 7:35 p.m. April 11, 2008
I support the raid it's about time the insest and rape is put to a stop.I
think it is important to talk with the children alone I also think it may be
intersting to talk with them with the mothers and see how the story changes etc.
However I think they should let the children talk to these women on the phone if
they want and in the next few days if the children are comfortable let them see
them in person.Since these people are brainwashed the worst thing would be to
upset them because it reinforces the lies they are told. I minored in psychology
although Im not an expert I think one of the most important things is to get
inside their head and imagine if you were in their situation how would you feel.
They need empathy and compassion. I hope the state has people that understand
that. I hope they do things right becuase this could bring down one of the worst
cults if managed properly.
Idaho | 8:47 p.m. April 11, 2008
Sodomy is illegal in most States in the USA. When was the last time they
rounded up those practicing individuals?
Elizabeth | 9:39 p.m. April 11, 2008
So, how do we help these women and children to get educated so that they know
not to put up with this kind of abuse? Forget the religious freedom angle, this
is about child abuse, incest, and slavery. Are there models for helping people
to recover from this kind of indoctrination?
FREEDOM! | 9:51 p.m. April 11, 2008
It's good that the government is dissolving this FLDS slavery cult.
I'm certain that the government knows exactly what they are doing, and so
far they seem to be doing an excellent job. It looks as though from all the news
coverage, that the woman and children are getting a taste of freedom for the
first time in their entire lives. I say, Good for the state of Texas! NO MORE
SEX ABUSE!
Anonymous | 9:46 p.m. April 11, 2008
I really would like to feel for the mothers but I can't ! Where were they
when they allowed their teens to be sacrifized the way they had been? My heart
goes to those kids who are suffering the consequences of this crazyness. But,
this will be for the good of them. Hopefully, underage marriage without the
consent of the teen won't happen again.. ever!
browneyes | 10:08 p.m. April 11, 2008
I don't believe those were the mothers on TV, they were sent by the men to
intimidate the others from disclosing the abuse. I certainly don't
beleive these women didn't marry or became moms until they reached their
20's. When child abuse allegations are being investigated, the child is
placed in foster care. The authorities are probably letting those mothers at
the shelter remain to gain more information or care for infants. Will ignorance
of the law be the mother's excuse? Sex with creepy old men is REVOLTING!!
To Massgirl | 10:44 p.m. April 11, 2008
Furthermore, the kids spoken of are young because once you hit 13, or 14 you are
considered an adult by their standards!!
Anywhere you go today you pay the ADULT fee for a 12 year old. Why? 12year olds aren't adults. Take a bus in any city and you pay the adult fair for a 5 year old. So why are we paying the adult price for OUR kids who are 12 to 17 and in some cases younger than even that but have a hard time with others actually treat theirs as such?
I saw on the 10 o'clock news tonight that the parents will more than likely loose all parental rights next week at the hearing. This will mean that there will be a lot of kids available for adoption.
Anywhere you go today you pay the ADULT fee for a 12 year old. Why? 12year olds aren't adults. Take a bus in any city and you pay the adult fair for a 5 year old. So why are we paying the adult price for OUR kids who are 12 to 17 and in some cases younger than even that but have a hard time with others actually treat theirs as such?
I saw on the 10 o'clock news tonight that the parents will more than likely loose all parental rights next week at the hearing. This will mean that there will be a lot of kids available for adoption.
Bonnie | 11:58 p.m. April 11, 2008
"Real Mothers" protect their children from Predators at any cost,These
women cannot protect themselves....The religion has deviant undertones and is
flawed to those looking in..I say instead of keeping them "Sweet";
Let"s keep them SAFE...Infact I foresee the restitution to the "State
of Texas" comming from the bank accounts they will be siezing in the months
to come...Couldn't happen to nicer folks...
Contrarian | 12:38 a.m. April 12, 2008
Half the comments here refer to an allegation as if it were God's truth.
The Texas authorities do not have any evidence that fourteen year-old girls are
being married to fifty year-old men at the YFZ ranch. They cannot even
corroborate the phone calls they received. They don't have the girl and
the man in question is in another state. What they could have done with
"Sarah's" information is to have found the parents she says
abandoned her at YFZ ranch two years ago. Why didn't she identify them?
They don't live there. It is beginning to appear that the whole thing was
a fabrication, but it is highly unlikely that governmental agencies will admit
their wrongdoing. In 1993 the Attorney General of the USA decided it was better
to incinerate the Branch Davidians than to back down in the situation.
things like that | 1:56 a.m. April 12, 2008
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Idaho | 8:47 p.m. Apr. 11, 2008
Sodomy is illegal in most States in the USA. When was the last time they rounded up those practicing individuals?"
Sodomy as a crime is generally only prosecuted when it is part of a larger crime, things like rape, incest, child molestation...things like that.
Idaho | 8:47 p.m. Apr. 11, 2008
Sodomy is illegal in most States in the USA. When was the last time they rounded up those practicing individuals?"
Sodomy as a crime is generally only prosecuted when it is part of a larger crime, things like rape, incest, child molestation...things like that.
Anonymous | 3:15 a.m. April 12, 2008
Does anyone really believe that one phone call (from a 16 year old girl)
triggered the events that have occured in Texas? Absolutely not! Her call was
an additional piece of info. Another complaint received by the police regarding
the FLDS. The state of Texas is large....but truly not large enough to take on
this kind of burden. Child Protective Services has had to perform an impossible
task! Placing that many children in temporary foster care is difficult. This
action was done with prior thought and concern. I am very sympathetic as to what
the children are going through but they definitely need to be in an environment
away from their mothers. Their mothers are submissive to the elders and men of
the church. The children are submissive to both parents as well as other adults
of the church. Brain washing is a way of life for these children. Freedom of
speech is not commmonplace. They are more willing to share info when not in
thier parents prescence. As harsh as it is, removing the children temporarily
from thier mothers is neccesary. Something suspicious is going on! To stand by
and do nothing is CRIMINAL!!!!
Lyndi | 4:05 a.m. April 12, 2008
Someone had better look out for these innocents!
To turn our backs on the situation at hand is criminal!
I applaud the Texas authorities for doing the right thing. To remove this many children from their homes is staggering. Texas is a large state but not nearly large enough to take on the task of placing this many children in foster care. This has been a difficult chore. A chore Texas would have rather not had to do. It was done because there was evidence that indicated it needed to be done.
To take the children from their parents was not a quick decision made by the authorites. It was more than a "call by a 16 year old to the police" that set things in motion. Other complaints had been made.
Temporary separation was totally acceptable. Whenever a child is thought to be in danger, it is within the states' rights to remove and/or separate the child from the parent. Yes..I do have children. No...I am not cold hearted. But when it is in the child's best interest a temporary separation is acceptable.
To turn our backs on the situation at hand is criminal!
I applaud the Texas authorities for doing the right thing. To remove this many children from their homes is staggering. Texas is a large state but not nearly large enough to take on the task of placing this many children in foster care. This has been a difficult chore. A chore Texas would have rather not had to do. It was done because there was evidence that indicated it needed to be done.
To take the children from their parents was not a quick decision made by the authorites. It was more than a "call by a 16 year old to the police" that set things in motion. Other complaints had been made.
Temporary separation was totally acceptable. Whenever a child is thought to be in danger, it is within the states' rights to remove and/or separate the child from the parent. Yes..I do have children. No...I am not cold hearted. But when it is in the child's best interest a temporary separation is acceptable.
bill medvecky | 7:00 a.m. April 12, 2008
Can anybody believe that if a call came in (supposedly)
from a little boy at Boys Town, the gestapo would swoop down and empty the place?
Have we learned nothing from Cross Creek? Over 85 of those children were never returned to their parents FOR NOTHING.
Shame on the Elders for remaining silent while Mormon children weep for their loving parents.
Those who declare that these parents were TOO LOVING need a lesson in American Law: A person is innocent............ Blah, blah, blah.
The name of the game in Texes is persecution, pure and simple and the world sits on its hands. Shame on you!
from a little boy at Boys Town, the gestapo would swoop down and empty the place?
Have we learned nothing from Cross Creek? Over 85 of those children were never returned to their parents FOR NOTHING.
Shame on the Elders for remaining silent while Mormon children weep for their loving parents.
Those who declare that these parents were TOO LOVING need a lesson in American Law: A person is innocent............ Blah, blah, blah.
The name of the game in Texes is persecution, pure and simple and the world sits on its hands. Shame on you!
john b | 7:35 a.m. April 12, 2008
lets get this stright a mother and a father both let their daughter be married
off to a man when she is 12 or 13 so the father is guilty and the mother is not
yeah that makes sence and if you throw rocks in to lakes the white ones will
floatwhen CPS takes children they take them from both parents
Herb | 7:52 a.m. April 12, 2008
Lets have the same action taken in all these
nut's compounds. What a shame the state of Utah
Won't at least raid Hilldale. Sure make's you
wonder why Utah is not doing anything to stop this
child rape. By the way if the officals are looking for some action try all those hundreds of home's
going up on the hill side at Mona, and Loa. The
Kingstons are live, and well thanks to the blind
Utah jokesters...
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The men do live there but were able to leave and travel about. Seems like the older men were in charge and the younger ones worked elsewhere and sent money back to help support Jeffs beliefs.
How do you know for sure that each of those women were really over the age of 20 before giving birth? Just because they said so? Just because they claimed those children? I agree with the person that said something about they were only concerned with the kids under 12. Yes, that does put them in the correct age then but do they have other kids that they do not claim because they are now 'adults'?
How many of the kids know who their real mother is? I really wonder about that. DNA testing would be interesting to say the least!