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Concerned citizen, LDS mother | 9:37 a.m. April 11, 2008
It is frightening, when a whole community let alone a single family
(individuals) are seperated due to a phone call from an individual incident.
Let's assume all of the adults are at fault and have commited crime and
let's take all of the children. Outrageous! Do they understand how
totally immoral this is. Controlling, abusive, unkind, futuristically wounding
for the innocent families. Who made this decision anyway? I thought it was
lawful only to find the perpetrator and implement the laws on them. I feel so
sorry for the seperation of mother to child. I'm sure they lay awake at
night perplexed, shaking, upset and worried to death. Where are their children
now? Are they being cared for in the governmenal system, better than what their
own mother can provide. It's too much stress on the children and parents.
Please, give the innocent children back to their innocent families!
Get those mormon kids out | 9:37 a.m. April 11, 2008
I saw a mormon mother spank her kid the other day!
They teach all about child abuse in their temples to. In fact there was also a case where a bishop hit a kid in his ward.
Next time some kid calls and reports his mother or father abusing him, we need to round up every mormon kid in Utah and turn them over to the federal Government so that they can protect those poor children.
I am sure if we raided their temple we would find evidence that they promote child abuse.
Please everyone start watching your neighbors, we need to be ready to turn people in, to the all powerful state.
Religions watch yourself, do not appear to be patriarchal or to be suppressing those women by having them be homemakers. That is another thing that might need to be reported!
The slope we are on is quite slippery indeed.
They teach all about child abuse in their temples to. In fact there was also a case where a bishop hit a kid in his ward.
Next time some kid calls and reports his mother or father abusing him, we need to round up every mormon kid in Utah and turn them over to the federal Government so that they can protect those poor children.
I am sure if we raided their temple we would find evidence that they promote child abuse.
Please everyone start watching your neighbors, we need to be ready to turn people in, to the all powerful state.
Religions watch yourself, do not appear to be patriarchal or to be suppressing those women by having them be homemakers. That is another thing that might need to be reported!
The slope we are on is quite slippery indeed.
HELP | 9:44 a.m. April 11, 2008
Take care of the children, arrest there parents. Simple, let the parents go to
prison and molest someone there own size. You are FREE to obay the law. What
goes on in your head is your bussiness, beyond that your on my turf. Nice
shooting Long Horns.
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Jay Beswick | 9:50 a.m. April 11, 2008
Interesting but the FLDS have lied to "Bleed the Beast" to collect
welfare as fraud. Lying for the religion is stated by Warren in his
audio's. These women could go a long way toward protecting their children
by assist CPS Texas, not fighting them.
Then as many know Warren reassigned complete families, changed last names, to where many children no longer know the name of their fathers. Fred Jessop with his 18 wives and 100 children were just that. He had mumps as a boy and was sterile or impotent. That is why Ruby & Flora Jessop refered to Fred as their step dad.
Then you have fumarase deficiency that causes severe retardation that affects 2 FLDS Family Last names when inbreeding mix, this explains the 62 Unmarked Children Graves in Colorado City.
The UEP was seized, but Texas was built on Tax dollars and an inheretance Warren beat his sibblings out of. Seth, Hyrum, Elaine, Ward Jeffs etc.
Its a complex issue, but first hand the abuses are to many to ignore and the medium age is nearly puberty from an exponential rate of births.
Can DPS or CPS Texas simply ignore hundreds of abuses, in exchange for few
Then as many know Warren reassigned complete families, changed last names, to where many children no longer know the name of their fathers. Fred Jessop with his 18 wives and 100 children were just that. He had mumps as a boy and was sterile or impotent. That is why Ruby & Flora Jessop refered to Fred as their step dad.
Then you have fumarase deficiency that causes severe retardation that affects 2 FLDS Family Last names when inbreeding mix, this explains the 62 Unmarked Children Graves in Colorado City.
The UEP was seized, but Texas was built on Tax dollars and an inheretance Warren beat his sibblings out of. Seth, Hyrum, Elaine, Ward Jeffs etc.
Its a complex issue, but first hand the abuses are to many to ignore and the medium age is nearly puberty from an exponential rate of births.
Can DPS or CPS Texas simply ignore hundreds of abuses, in exchange for few
I'm sure there | 9:44 a.m. April 11, 2008
are a whole lot of felonous mothers sitting in prison who want the same...what a
shame , if they just lived the law of the land and didn't believe they were
so special over everyone else. No Pity here...as what they did deviled alot of
temples. these aren't saints..quit acting like you don't know, when
you do know!
annoymouse | 9:53 a.m. April 11, 2008
Fred, you're not the only one. I have posted several times as well and my
comments have never shown up either. Of course there are at least two sides to
every story, and I have concluded that whoever reviews the posts doesn't
want other perspectives and truths to be addressed.
No one deserves welfare | 9:59 a.m. April 11, 2008
Since when is state welfare right for anyone?
The federal government has no constitutional right to force me to give my property to someone else.
That does not mean that we should not be charitable and give to the poor, but to force, and have the federal government redistributing our money is not the proper way of doing it. We seemed to take care of the poor more effectively before the state took control of it.
Get rid of welfare, and let every illegal alien register and become an American.
Unfortunatly this country has ignored and rejected the constitution till we have become a finacially, morally, and spiritually bankrupt nation.
Tearing up 415 kids lives based on a real or fake phone call is just another example of our governments blatant disregard for the constitution.
The federal government has no constitutional right to force me to give my property to someone else.
That does not mean that we should not be charitable and give to the poor, but to force, and have the federal government redistributing our money is not the proper way of doing it. We seemed to take care of the poor more effectively before the state took control of it.
Get rid of welfare, and let every illegal alien register and become an American.
Unfortunatly this country has ignored and rejected the constitution till we have become a finacially, morally, and spiritually bankrupt nation.
Tearing up 415 kids lives based on a real or fake phone call is just another example of our governments blatant disregard for the constitution.
Mike | 9:58 a.m. April 11, 2008
Re: Blaine
I'm not exactly sure what that "quote" has to do with those who violate the law and have no concern for common sense.
Who justifies FORCING a 14-year-old to marry a man old enough to be her grandfather??
Go Texas!!!
I'm not exactly sure what that "quote" has to do with those who violate the law and have no concern for common sense.
Who justifies FORCING a 14-year-old to marry a man old enough to be her grandfather??
Go Texas!!!
Will this stand up in court? | 10:00 a.m. April 11, 2008
What frightens me most about this is, even if one child is saved from abuse (or
many children) and even though we all know the FLDS practices are illegal,
because of the way the authorities are handling things, will any evidence they
find stand up in court? What a waste to go through all the expense and effort,
and not be able to do anything about it. Even in Texas there are rules for the
courtroom.
Anonymous | 10:09 a.m. April 11, 2008
Texas CPS action is about one thing. How much they can abuse their power.
It's called 'divide and conquer.' They will get away with this
and we will probably never hear any more about the girl who made the phone call.
Was there really a phone call? Then they will go after another group. Then
another. They will estblish precedents. School lock downs will become common.
Then neighborhood lockdowns. Illegal mass searchs and seizures. Our liberty is
dying, much like the slow cooked live frog who is currently enjoying his warm
bath on the stove.
jd | 10:09 a.m. April 11, 2008
The children and women are certainly abused, brain-washed and absolutely
confused as to what is considered to be a normal existance with opinions, rights
and healthy emotions. The children are especially victims to the absurd
teachings they are taught and remember part of the problem these government
workers are having is THAT THEY CANNOT GET INFORMATION FROM THE CHILDREN WHO
THEIR MOTHERS ARE! The children are so confused, they are either scared to
death or really believe they have seven mothers.... That is what is sad... and
the fact that no one will the names of the father? The whole thing is sick and
unacceptable. Yes, they live in the United States and find it acceptable to
abuse physically, mentally, financially, emotionally, they rape under age
children, forced marriages from a human man who claims to be a prophet by his
own glory. It is absurd... these mother's do not know how ignorant they
are... they are naturally concerned and love their children and are worried, but
completely ignorant.
Outrageous! | 10:09 a.m. April 11, 2008
I may not agree with the theology of the FLDS church, but the actions of the
state of Texas are ridiculous and unlawful. This is clearly state-sponsored
kidnapping. The actions of the state here are way, WAY beyond what is needed to
protect the children at risk in the church's compound. Remember, this all
came from one phone call from one girl who they still can't identify. Is
anyone sure that call really came from the compound?
The over-reaching of the state here should shock and offend anyone's conscience. And now they're not allowing the biological mothers to have access to their little children? It's a sad day for civil rights; it's a sad day for the hope of liberty and freedom.
The over-reaching of the state here should shock and offend anyone's conscience. And now they're not allowing the biological mothers to have access to their little children? It's a sad day for civil rights; it's a sad day for the hope of liberty and freedom.
Million Dollars a Day | 10:09 a.m. April 11, 2008
I think it's delightful that the state of Texas is paying more than a
million dollars a day for it's decision to persecute the FLDS, and that
number will only go up from here.
By the time Texas is done with this it might cost the state as much as a billion dollars or more.
The state of Texas and it's taxpayers would be better off cutting their losses sooner rather than later.
By the time Texas is done with this it might cost the state as much as a billion dollars or more.
The state of Texas and it's taxpayers would be better off cutting their losses sooner rather than later.
Bill | 10:15 a.m. April 11, 2008
To Marissa and others
Do you really read what you post. The FLDS have not been around for centuries, ergo they can not have been brainwahing their people for that long.
Secondly, I have serious problem with law enforcement that is not 100% right or legal. Are you willing to accept the notion that the ends justify the means. I am not. When enforcemt of the laws is not done correctly, cases get thrown out of court.
Lastly, while I want the children to be safe and protected from all forms of abuse; rounding up all these children based on the accusations of one 16 year old girl, that they can not say they even have identified, and an informant who does not even live in the compound, is bad police work. While there may yet be verifable evidence produced that all 416 children are and have been abused, I will doubt that until I actually see it.
Guilt by association does not lend itself to successful prosecutions.
Do you really read what you post. The FLDS have not been around for centuries, ergo they can not have been brainwahing their people for that long.
Secondly, I have serious problem with law enforcement that is not 100% right or legal. Are you willing to accept the notion that the ends justify the means. I am not. When enforcemt of the laws is not done correctly, cases get thrown out of court.
Lastly, while I want the children to be safe and protected from all forms of abuse; rounding up all these children based on the accusations of one 16 year old girl, that they can not say they even have identified, and an informant who does not even live in the compound, is bad police work. While there may yet be verifable evidence produced that all 416 children are and have been abused, I will doubt that until I actually see it.
Guilt by association does not lend itself to successful prosecutions.
Un Lawful Actions | 10:13 a.m. April 11, 2008
Just another day in America
Un Constitutional Raid and Kid Napping
Un Constitutional Raid and Kid Napping
Sic Semper Tyrranus | 10:14 a.m. April 11, 2008
FoxNews/AP reported today that the sheriff had an informant, allegedly a former
FLDS member with "in depth" knowledge of the group and its practices.
In the same report the sheriff acknowledges that his informant had "no
idea" there was underage marriage, abuse, or sexual activity. Huh? If the
informant did not know of these activities, then the informant's
"knowledge" could not have formed the basis for the probable cause
leading to the search warrant. That means this entire roundup of a religious
community (as weird and possible evil as they were), was based solely on an
anonymous phone call claiming individual abuse, not collective group abuse. The
article also describes the sheriff and CPS "pulling their raid plans from
off the shelf," clearly indicating they had prepared to raid the ranch all
along and were eagerly hoping for any premise, regardless of how legally
transparent that premise might be, to swoop in and hopefully remove an unwanted
group from the community-at-large. What the FLDS at the ranch were doing was
wrong, but the sheriff didn't know what the FLDS were doing when he applied
for the warrant and neither did the judge who issued it. Anonymous tip or
preconceived plan?
Sokol | 10:41 a.m. April 11, 2008
By the way, I am impressed with the Deseret News offering some iota of fairness
to these people.
Thank you.
Thank you.
LDS born & raised | 10:47 a.m. April 11, 2008
We should all pray for the families. Pray that God allows good to come of this.
There is a reason for everything. It's in God's hands.
re: LDS Concerned | 10:47 a.m. April 11, 2008
I am a staunch defender of the LDS church and a very active member, but I must
agree with the point made by "LDS Concerned", although I would not
agree with the tone of the comment.
I too think the church needs to express their concern for these families and the concern for their rite to freedom of religion. They need to practice their religion within the boundaries of the law, but remember in this country you are innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around as the media so often portrays things.
So, I would be careful about rushing to judgment and condemning these people based on the media reports and would also encourage the LDS church to offer their support for the children and the families and express their views of allowing, "all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."
I too think the church needs to express their concern for these families and the concern for their rite to freedom of religion. They need to practice their religion within the boundaries of the law, but remember in this country you are innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around as the media so often portrays things.
So, I would be careful about rushing to judgment and condemning these people based on the media reports and would also encourage the LDS church to offer their support for the children and the families and express their views of allowing, "all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."
Frank | 10:51 a.m. April 11, 2008
There's no reason to be personally afraid that the same will happen to you
and yours unless your entire family, immediate family, and everyone you know
live in the same house.
As someone pointed out before, they recieved a call that a crime was commited against a minor on 1 piece of private property and the person needed help. They got a warrant to search that piece of property and remove any minors on it. It just so happened that on that one piece of property there were over 400 minors. Its not a community, its a lot of people living on one ranch, owned by one person.
I was agaist the sudden police actions taken too, until I learned of the legal aspect of the situation.
If they want to do that to FLDS in UT that all live in different homes owned by different people, they are going to need a warrant for each house, a phone call from a minor in each house, and lawful reason to enter each home. Not going to happen.
As someone pointed out before, they recieved a call that a crime was commited against a minor on 1 piece of private property and the person needed help. They got a warrant to search that piece of property and remove any minors on it. It just so happened that on that one piece of property there were over 400 minors. Its not a community, its a lot of people living on one ranch, owned by one person.
I was agaist the sudden police actions taken too, until I learned of the legal aspect of the situation.
If they want to do that to FLDS in UT that all live in different homes owned by different people, they are going to need a warrant for each house, a phone call from a minor in each house, and lawful reason to enter each home. Not going to happen.
Anonymous | 10:54 a.m. April 11, 2008
These sites never get better. All the deranged wackos seem to make their onto
these blogs. A true lacking of morals.
Tex | 10:55 a.m. April 11, 2008
The panic-stricken arguments that authorities can just raid all our homes and
take all our children are amusing. Doubt you have much to worry about as long
as you aren�t committing crimes against children.
Comparing the FLDS compound to the average American home is like comparing
apples and oranges. The FLDS people live in a commune, and every single one of
them has subjected themselves to a patriarchal authority that sanctions underage
sexual abuse in the name of God. As long as there isn�t
one free-thinking brain among them, I wouldn�t trust any
them with the safety and welfare of minors�.and apparently
neither does the Great State of Texas.
PapaCorn | 11:17 a.m. April 11, 2008
I've said it once and I'll say it again.
If we're going to allow the government to raid an entire community because of ONE ALLEGED case of abuse, then, I want to see the LAPD start raiding areas in East LA. I'd like to seem them raid entire blocks in Watts. Physically remove children from their mothers, most of whom gave birth when underaged. Most of those children would be considered malnourished and needing assistance.
What a joke.
You're all sitting here wringing your hands over this. The next time we hear of an LDS adult abusing a teenager, what is to stop the government or law enforcement from barging into the temple?
This has turned into a joke. No teen girl was found. The guy she blamed has been living in Arizona for the past few YEARS. Law enforcement defiled a temple, considered sacred by an entire community.
Shame on Texas and shame on any of you who side with them.
If we're going to allow the government to raid an entire community because of ONE ALLEGED case of abuse, then, I want to see the LAPD start raiding areas in East LA. I'd like to seem them raid entire blocks in Watts. Physically remove children from their mothers, most of whom gave birth when underaged. Most of those children would be considered malnourished and needing assistance.
What a joke.
You're all sitting here wringing your hands over this. The next time we hear of an LDS adult abusing a teenager, what is to stop the government or law enforcement from barging into the temple?
This has turned into a joke. No teen girl was found. The guy she blamed has been living in Arizona for the past few YEARS. Law enforcement defiled a temple, considered sacred by an entire community.
Shame on Texas and shame on any of you who side with them.
getreal | 11:18 a.m. April 11, 2008
Anonymous says...Would you still think the FLDS could worship as they pleased if
their religion included human sacrifice?....
In our society if they held it to about four thousand babies a day it would obviously be acceptable!!!
Go figure.
In our society if they held it to about four thousand babies a day it would obviously be acceptable!!!
Go figure.
Anonymous | 11:23 a.m. April 11, 2008
"Please everyone start watching your neighbors, we need to be ready to turn
people in, to the all powerful state. "
Not in UT and AZ. They look the other way.
Not in UT and AZ. They look the other way.
Anonymous | 11:28 a.m. April 11, 2008
"I may not agree with the theology of the FLDS church"
Don't know why not. It's the same history and theology as the COJCOLDS. They just have different leadership and haven't abandoned polygyny as Joseph Smith taught it and lived it.
Don't know why not. It's the same history and theology as the COJCOLDS. They just have different leadership and haven't abandoned polygyny as Joseph Smith taught it and lived it.
A MOM | 11:24 a.m. April 11, 2008
Forget all of the other issues, we are talking about SEX OFFENDERS. SEX
OFFENDERS that abuse young children in the name of religion. 416 children are
frightened and have been taken away from the only life they have known, but how
many of them have already been abused? How many have been saved from being
abused? If 1 man is convicted of having abused a young girl once, our justice
system can put him in jail for up to 15 years. Then their name will go on the
sex offender list. Why would anyone defend these men? If this was happening in
your neighborhood you would move heaven and earth to put an end to it. I feel
for these children and I would love to be closer so that I could offer them a
safe and stable enviroment to grow up in. SHAME ON ANY O YOU FOR DEFENDING
THESE MONSTERS IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM!
12yo girls have rights too | 11:30 a.m. April 11, 2008
The only people who know what's going on are the mothers and children in
the flds. It's amazing how you all project your own biases into gaps of
information. The sensible thing to do would be to keep an eye on things and see
what information emerges. You really don't know, but pretend you do.
Moreover constitutional rights apply to everyone. That means that even if you're 12 your parents don't have a right to limit your rights. Sorry, no paterfamilias here. I've read up on the YFZ ranch for years. I am of course concerned that Short Creek and Waco not be repeated. So far, it looks like things have been handled much better. Finally, you can't violate the law or someone's rights just b/c it's "your religion". Google yfz. "united effortplan" "under the banner of heaven", "the lost boys". Warren Jeffs is an extremely corrupt and evil human being, he has taken his 'church' to extremes that early flds never dreamed off. I just hope after this is all over, that it's not another Jonestown.
Moreover constitutional rights apply to everyone. That means that even if you're 12 your parents don't have a right to limit your rights. Sorry, no paterfamilias here. I've read up on the YFZ ranch for years. I am of course concerned that Short Creek and Waco not be repeated. So far, it looks like things have been handled much better. Finally, you can't violate the law or someone's rights just b/c it's "your religion". Google yfz. "united effortplan" "under the banner of heaven", "the lost boys". Warren Jeffs is an extremely corrupt and evil human being, he has taken his 'church' to extremes that early flds never dreamed off. I just hope after this is all over, that it's not another Jonestown.
eny1940 | 11:42 a.m. April 11, 2008
To Eowynn77. Where do same sex parents get their children. Am I missing
something
Confused | 11:44 a.m. April 11, 2008
Bill,
Your second point:
DPC for any state lives on a double edge sword. First, if they wait until they are 100 precent sure, then something happens they get ripped by all you fine upstanding citizens for being lacks.
If they go ahead on a tip, then they are ripped for doing it without foundation.
So which is it? What would you do?
In order to get a warrant they must have had enough evidence to convince a judge.
Your second point:
DPC for any state lives on a double edge sword. First, if they wait until they are 100 precent sure, then something happens they get ripped by all you fine upstanding citizens for being lacks.
If they go ahead on a tip, then they are ripped for doing it without foundation.
So which is it? What would you do?
In order to get a warrant they must have had enough evidence to convince a judge.
Anonymous | 11:48 a.m. April 11, 2008
Based on the outrage of some of these posts on this site, I think we are to
change the law to allow molesters to have free access to children.
I mean don't they deserve to have it their way like the FLDS? Are they not the same people?
Come on folks, These people knowingly broke the law, they knowingly married underage children to older men (in my opinion Molesters).
Texas had these people under eye for some time, they must have had a good reason for doing what they did.
I mean don't they deserve to have it their way like the FLDS? Are they not the same people?
Come on folks, These people knowingly broke the law, they knowingly married underage children to older men (in my opinion Molesters).
Texas had these people under eye for some time, they must have had a good reason for doing what they did.
this always happens | 11:49 a.m. April 11, 2008
This is the sort of thing that always happens when crazy cultists believe they
are doing "God's Will"
masked_data | 11:56 a.m. April 11, 2008
Crimes are solved every day from anonymous tips so finding the person who made
the call is a non-issue.
The adult mothers are likely suspected accomplices to rape and should be kept from the children until it is determined otherwise. That will probably take a while to sort through all the evidence. But, on the bright side, the kids are used to having many mothers so they might adjust quickly to a foster mother.
The adult mothers are likely suspected accomplices to rape and should be kept from the children until it is determined otherwise. That will probably take a while to sort through all the evidence. But, on the bright side, the kids are used to having many mothers so they might adjust quickly to a foster mother.
Red | 12:13 p.m. April 11, 2008
Background: The Texas Child Protection Service has a frightening record of
condoning abuse and neglect. Children have been sexually and physically abused
while under their "supervision." Some have died. Also, Texas already
had a shortage of eligible foster families before this tragedy was unleashed.
With that background, what's about to unfold?
Texas will be forced to place young, sexually active, teenage girls, "groomed" since infancy to be submissive to older men, with foster families whose background hasn't been properly investigated.
What do you possibly think will happen then? We're only at the opening act of a dreadful tragedy.
With that background, what's about to unfold?
Texas will be forced to place young, sexually active, teenage girls, "groomed" since infancy to be submissive to older men, with foster families whose background hasn't been properly investigated.
What do you possibly think will happen then? We're only at the opening act of a dreadful tragedy.
Jake | 12:20 p.m. April 11, 2008
Lets bring the polygamist in to our LDS homes so they can teach us how to live
polygamy, the same as they have done with their own children. Do you guys have
any brains?
Alex Trebek | 12:16 p.m. April 11, 2008
I'm with you, Tex. These "families" need to be broken up because
of the abuse that is going on there. The actions of the Texas authorities were
totally justified. These sickos and pervs need to face the music. These women
need some education. It's obvious that they suffer from abuse from their
"spiritual leaders." I don't care how many kids these women
have, those kids are better off in the long run being separated from their
families (so long as their parents continue to practice this lifestyle. If they
choose to abandon the sect, get counseling and work hard to become true
law-abiding contributing members of society then I can see a justification for a
family reunion). The whole situation is sick, but we can't be soft in a
time like this. It's going to be tough and emotions are running high, but
morally the Texas authorities have done the right thing.
Contrarian | 12:22 p.m. April 11, 2008
I am curious as to why the girl who started all this did not identify her
parents so the authorities could arrest them for abandoning their fourteen
year-old girl! She stated specifically that her parents do not live there.
Where are they? Who are they? Isn't their abandonment of a child to be
sexually abused a crime?
We Watched | 12:39 p.m. April 11, 2008
I remember Waco Texas and watching that horror and the way the Federal
Government lied and mis- represented the truth to justify their actions.Put
these mothers with their own children and hold them together in a safe house
until the truth is out. Do not add any more trauma to the lives of these
children.
Concerned Oregonian | 12:46 p.m. April 11, 2008
While I can feel for these mothers, the children need to be apart so that they
are able to be honest about what has happened to them. The parents will
suppress the truth if they are there because the child will feel that they are
going to get the parent in trouble.
Has anyone considered that the informant was possibly a teenage boy? He would not have any information on what was happening because he was not in the 'right' group.
Why was there a 'bed' or 'beds' in the temple? That is very disgusting to me! Did they feel this was something for God to enjoy? or did the other men come and watch? I have a major problem with this.
I hope and pray that all of them will be safe and that everyone can learn from this but I'm sure that we will just contine to repeat the past since we never seem to learn from history.
Has anyone considered that the informant was possibly a teenage boy? He would not have any information on what was happening because he was not in the 'right' group.
Why was there a 'bed' or 'beds' in the temple? That is very disgusting to me! Did they feel this was something for God to enjoy? or did the other men come and watch? I have a major problem with this.
I hope and pray that all of them will be safe and that everyone can learn from this but I'm sure that we will just contine to repeat the past since we never seem to learn from history.
Hmmm | 12:42 p.m. April 11, 2008
Abducting 400+ children? Well at least they didn't kill any of the kids
yet.
How about removing all custody from the parents and raising the kids to believe in OUR religion? [as approved by the court]. This stuff is right out of the middle east.
How about removing all custody from the parents and raising the kids to believe in OUR religion? [as approved by the court]. This stuff is right out of the middle east.
curious | 12:53 p.m. April 11, 2008
The articles I have read, say that the women and children stayed inside the
compound...and only a few men came and went (at any given time.)
This article has three women that were all gone the day of the raid...and each was over the age of twenty before giving birth. How convenient.
This article has three women that were all gone the day of the raid...and each was over the age of twenty before giving birth. How convenient.
June B | 12:47 p.m. April 11, 2008
I agree with what one person said about these officials taking all of these
little kids. They were taken from their mothers and thrown into foster care.
Does anyone realize the horrible things that go one in foster care?? I feel
horrible for the mothers that have lost their children, but as Carolyn Jessup
wrote she was trapped! Maybe a lot of them couldn't get out until this
whole thing occured.
sisterly love | 12:52 p.m. April 11, 2008
Why wouldn't the LDS extend a hand to a group of people who have alot of
the same teachings as US?
Why aren't WE more involved in the welfare of these people? I know there has to be a stake or even a ward in the area. I am LDS and I will not turn away from anyone in need of help. I don't care who might missunderstand the difference between FLDS OR LDS. We need to ask: What would Jesus do? Shame, shame for all of those who have tried and convicted these people already. I pray that our temples are NEVER treated in the same manor as this one. Our Heavenly Father has a hand in all things and maybe this is where WE should extend a rod to the tree of life for all.
Why aren't WE more involved in the welfare of these people? I know there has to be a stake or even a ward in the area. I am LDS and I will not turn away from anyone in need of help. I don't care who might missunderstand the difference between FLDS OR LDS. We need to ask: What would Jesus do? Shame, shame for all of those who have tried and convicted these people already. I pray that our temples are NEVER treated in the same manor as this one. Our Heavenly Father has a hand in all things and maybe this is where WE should extend a rod to the tree of life for all.
CooperB | 12:53 p.m. April 11, 2008
Do you know why LE has to get search warrants and such in the first place? To
protect ALL PARTIES involved. They need outside oversight by a judge to make
sure their searches are not too broad and intrusive. It is assumed that the
judge is impartial and knows their role and duties.
The judge has the duty to protect the rights even of those who are suspected (note: suspected) of a crime. That did not happen in this case. In fact, the judge didn't even act like she knew where her authority ended. She strikes me as just another knee-jerk "OMG won't someone please think of the children!" alarmist. Willing to trample on hundreds of people's civil rights based on a possibly faked phone call!
This whole end-around "backdoor" through the constitution based on a anonymous, unsubstantiated child abuse complaint is nothing short of criminal. The TX taxpayers are going to be paying court settlements for a very long time on this.
The judge has the duty to protect the rights even of those who are suspected (note: suspected) of a crime. That did not happen in this case. In fact, the judge didn't even act like she knew where her authority ended. She strikes me as just another knee-jerk "OMG won't someone please think of the children!" alarmist. Willing to trample on hundreds of people's civil rights based on a possibly faked phone call!
This whole end-around "backdoor" through the constitution based on a anonymous, unsubstantiated child abuse complaint is nothing short of criminal. The TX taxpayers are going to be paying court settlements for a very long time on this.
Anonymous | 1:05 p.m. April 11, 2008
The FLDS mothers should not be allowed to have their children back. What they
are doing is so wrong. If a mother forced her frightened 14 year old daughter
onto the streets to solicit to old men, she would lose her children too. What
is the difference. The FLDS gals need therapy, new hair styles and new clothes!
Then maybe they should get their children back.
Relocated Southerner | 1:13 p.m. April 11, 2008
I agree with Red. What's going to happen when some of these young girls
are placed in foster homes where the motives of the foster parents are less than
pure? Don't deny that it doesn't happen, every day, all over the
country. Some foster parents are great people, but others simply take in foster
kids for a whole variety of reasons that are not valiant or pure.
Beds In The Temple | 1:14 p.m. April 11, 2008
We know NOTHING about why there were beds in the FLDS Temple. Stop spouting
useless drivel about "sex in the temple" unless you know something
that everyone else doesn't. By your (obviously flawed) logic the LDS
church has MANY Temples with apartments virtually co-joining the Temple on the
same grounds - ergo, the LDS Temple patrons MUST be having ritual sex in those
facilities before entering their Temples. Simply idiotic.
One Voice | 1:20 p.m. April 11, 2008
What a tragic tale. In my estimation, this is a story about two seperate
organizations (the FLDS and the CPS) that are equally out of control. And the
problem is that you have these small children that are caught in the middle, and
seem to be going from one bad situation to another. We hear some people wanting
to place alot of the blame on the mother's for not doing anything to
protect these kids frome abuse, but if abuse is happening at all, then it is
happening to the children and the mothers, and to seperate the two from each
other will be unbearable for those poor kids. As a child the one thing in this
world that you want the most is the love and companionship of your mother.
The least that the state of Texas should do is to have the decency to allow the children and the mothers to stay together in this aweful experience.
The least that the state of Texas should do is to have the decency to allow the children and the mothers to stay together in this aweful experience.
Rob | 1:32 p.m. April 11, 2008
Many of this could be confusing for officials to sort out. These children live
in homes that they may have MANY mothers, it can be unclear as to who is thier
birth mother. Imagine living in a home with DOZENS or more of children and
several mothers, for these kids this is normal, and would not always understand
the question, (who is your mother?)
Reply | 1:32 p.m. April 11, 2008
To Million Dollars A Day: It is not costing a Million Dollars a Day but if it
were that should have nothing to do with the protection of these abused kids.
How anyone can defend the actions of this group is far beyond my comprehension.
How can any Mother or Father say they love a daughter that they would allow to
be subjected to this kind of treatment. I as a father would be tortured, raped
and killed before any of my children.
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