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Dick Harmon: Post-game brawl mars MWC title
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Name | 1:57 p.m. March 16, 2008
I am not that disturbed about the fans rushing the court, but the fact that
warnings were issued before the end of the game and also the fact that the
rushing the floor led to property damage and physcial altercations, it is
obvious that the UNLV security was pretty bad. What I am upset about is the fact
that UNLV is given home court advantage for the Mtn. West tournament. Thanks,
Thomson. I don't think we have given you enough credit. First you take away
all national publicity with your stupid tv deal, and now you ensure UNLV with
the auto bid from the Mtn. West, and by doing so take away any chance from BYU
to get a decent seed in the tourny. I'm not sure that BYU would have won on
a neutral floor either (I couldn't see the game. Thanks again, Thomson),
but I would have like to have found out last night. Oh, and Anonymous: Once you
learn that it is the Sweet 16, and not the Sweet 15, I'll take you
seriously.
Anonymous | 2:17 p.m. March 16, 2008
First of all, let me preface my comments by saying I am a former season ticket
holder for UNLV football and basketball. And, I held season tickets for USC
football for over 20 years. That being said, I want to make the following
points:
1) Having attended both home and away games, I realized very quickly that there are a handful of "bad" fans at every venue.
2) There is no doubt that alcohol plays a significant role in fueling unruly behavior, particularly at football games with the lengthy tailgate parties. The Los Angeles Coliseum stopped selling beer entirely a couple of years ago after experimenting with different cutoff points during the game, i.e., end of 3rd quarter, end of halftime, beginning of halftime, etc.
3) While I can certainly emphathize with those that feel UNLV has a "homecourt advantage," I do have to say that in every BYU vs. UNLV matchup I've attended over the past 15 years here in Vegas there was not a huge disparity in terms of fans in attendance.
4) Good point above. The year Utah went to the "Final Four," they lost in what I believe was still the WAC tourney @ UNLV.
1) Having attended both home and away games, I realized very quickly that there are a handful of "bad" fans at every venue.
2) There is no doubt that alcohol plays a significant role in fueling unruly behavior, particularly at football games with the lengthy tailgate parties. The Los Angeles Coliseum stopped selling beer entirely a couple of years ago after experimenting with different cutoff points during the game, i.e., end of 3rd quarter, end of halftime, beginning of halftime, etc.
3) While I can certainly emphathize with those that feel UNLV has a "homecourt advantage," I do have to say that in every BYU vs. UNLV matchup I've attended over the past 15 years here in Vegas there was not a huge disparity in terms of fans in attendance.
4) Good point above. The year Utah went to the "Final Four," they lost in what I believe was still the WAC tourney @ UNLV.
Anonymous | 2:21 p.m. March 16, 2008
Question: Why does the wife of a BYU player feel compelled to assume the role
of "security guard" and try to restrain UNLV fans from going onto the
court? I can't see any rationalization or justification for this act. She
is just inviting trouble and fueling an already contentious situation.
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Pecksniffian foe | 2:32 p.m. March 16, 2008
What do you mean you can't say the UNLV fans were hoods? I will say it
UNLV fans are hoods! There is no excuse for physical assault following a ball
game period. To justify that kind of behavior is ludicrous. Maybe you should
look up the defination of hood. My theausarus shows synonyms as thug, ruffian,
lout. Which of those don't fit?
The Mountain West Conference continues to demonstrate real leadership in guiding this conference to national prominance. First the TV deal, second an insistance in sponsoring the league tournament on another team's home floor year after year (but making it a neutral environment by removing the banners and center-court logo), and last by not having the courage to carry out any kind of sanction for blatant post-game conduct by UNLV's fans.
I can think of no better reasons than those to continue to support a conference!
The Mountain West Conference continues to demonstrate real leadership in guiding this conference to national prominance. First the TV deal, second an insistance in sponsoring the league tournament on another team's home floor year after year (but making it a neutral environment by removing the banners and center-court logo), and last by not having the courage to carry out any kind of sanction for blatant post-game conduct by UNLV's fans.
I can think of no better reasons than those to continue to support a conference!
Anonymous | 2:34 p.m. March 16, 2008
In response to idiotic comments:
1. Running on the field is NOT the same thing as taunting the other team's fans and families, throwing your beverage of choice on them, and beating up event staff. Right?
2. Saying UNLV has a bltant and unfair home court advantage - as the ONLY team in the country that gets to play a conference tournament on the same court they play their regular season games - is NOT making an excuse, it's stating a fact. Come on, prove me wrong.
3. BYU won the conference this year. With a better record than UNLV. Again, prove me wrong if you can.
4. Once again, ONLY UNLV! In the entire country!! Just let that sink in. Try to be honest, who wouldn't want that?
5. If I'm holier than thou because I support a team and school that happens to be affiliated with a church, then what does that make you? Sleazier than thou? Drunker than thou? Mobbier than thou? Prostitutier than thou? Penalized by the NCAA more than any other program-ier than thou? Just wondering.
6. Finally, go check the MWC website and see who dominates MWC athletics. I'll give you one guess.
1. Running on the field is NOT the same thing as taunting the other team's fans and families, throwing your beverage of choice on them, and beating up event staff. Right?
2. Saying UNLV has a bltant and unfair home court advantage - as the ONLY team in the country that gets to play a conference tournament on the same court they play their regular season games - is NOT making an excuse, it's stating a fact. Come on, prove me wrong.
3. BYU won the conference this year. With a better record than UNLV. Again, prove me wrong if you can.
4. Once again, ONLY UNLV! In the entire country!! Just let that sink in. Try to be honest, who wouldn't want that?
5. If I'm holier than thou because I support a team and school that happens to be affiliated with a church, then what does that make you? Sleazier than thou? Drunker than thou? Mobbier than thou? Prostitutier than thou? Penalized by the NCAA more than any other program-ier than thou? Just wondering.
6. Finally, go check the MWC website and see who dominates MWC athletics. I'll give you one guess.
This is too much? | 2:35 p.m. March 16, 2008
As I remember in the old days, the team who won the conference Won It.
Tournaments are a joke. They spoil the athletic season and cause trouble. It
must be all about money, which corrupts. This lop sided tourney at Las Vegas is
also a joke. I want no part of it. Seldom even watch the games even though I am
an exception and can if I want too. The MWC is also a joke. Why do we tolerate
it's existence. There is no leadership.
Fat Boy | 2:41 p.m. March 16, 2008
Craig Thompson is about as capable to run the MWC as I am capable of running a
marathon..
Bill | 2:48 p.m. March 16, 2008
I find it interesting that you insist on singling out UNLV fans when it has been
reported in your own hometown newspapers that the wife of a BYU player decided
to assume the role of security guard and attempted to restrain UNLV fans from
going onto the court. IMHO, this is only exacerbating an already inflammatory
situation. She was out of line.
Unbiased Observer | 2:48 p.m. March 16, 2008
I was at the same game as the writer, Dick Harmon, and at about the same
location.He must have had on some kind of weird glasses to have perceived the
jubilant celebration by the UNLV students as he did. You should get out
more...or away from Utah. That exciting scene is played over and over at EVERY
College Tournament all over the country. Fine young men and women students
having a great time celebrating a wonderful victory which bodes well for the
entire conference. Dick is probably just a bad looser.
VegasFan | 2:44 p.m. March 16, 2008
I attended every men's game at the T&M. But to all the idiots who
think this game was fair look at the poor history of the home cookin MWC
officials. Last year they sucked down their whistles when Adams drove the lane
against Wyoming with a foul so obvious and game changing that Helen Keller could
have made the call. Utah got homered in their game with UNLV. Right in front
of us the ball was knocked out out bounds during a Utah posession at crunch time
by UNLV. The closest offical who should have made the call did... for Utah, and
the crowd went crazy and the ref from accross the court came over and they
changed the ruling... ball to UNLV. BYU was pulling away from UNLV when within
two minutes the refs called a ticky tack foul on Plaisted (considering the rugby
scrum they were allowing on the court) and then moments later a terrible
charging call on Plaisted with the UNLV player sliding under and then leaning up
and in. Key player on bench until third quarter when another unbelievable ticky
tack foul was called on Plaisted. Wink and Terry were amazing,too bad it was
tainted.
Portis | 2:55 p.m. March 16, 2008
Hey, SLCer, Storming the field in Sam Boyd Stadium was completely different
than storming the court in the Thomas & Mack. In Sam Boyd, it was full of
BYU fans and they didn't go through anybody but their own. Saturday, the
UNLV drunkards simply plowed through families, kids, wives, grandpas, pushing,
shoving and knocking down UNLV's old men ushers -- a real volatile
confrontation that left to violence. Same Boyd was a stroll to the field. Get
real. Harmon reported BYU fans who got involved were wrong.
mwc needs changes | 3:00 p.m. March 16, 2008
First=Get rid of The Mountain Station. I want to be able to watch the MWC
championship on the ESPN Network.
Second=You can't blame the facility for a loss. But UNLV hosting the tourney needs to end. Didn't Denver host the tourney for a couple of year? Another option is to have the regular season champ host the tournament. That way teams are playing for the right to host the tourney during the conference schedule.
Third=Alcohol and sports just don't mix. College sports needs to be kept clean. Don't sell alcohol at college sporting events. I'd rather take my familiy to college games than pro games for that reason.
I would consider myself a BYU fan. BYU lost, move on, and good luck in the NCAA tourney. Please get out of the first round this year.
Second=You can't blame the facility for a loss. But UNLV hosting the tourney needs to end. Didn't Denver host the tourney for a couple of year? Another option is to have the regular season champ host the tournament. That way teams are playing for the right to host the tourney during the conference schedule.
Third=Alcohol and sports just don't mix. College sports needs to be kept clean. Don't sell alcohol at college sporting events. I'd rather take my familiy to college games than pro games for that reason.
I would consider myself a BYU fan. BYU lost, move on, and good luck in the NCAA tourney. Please get out of the first round this year.
remay1 | 3:01 p.m. March 16, 2008
BYU should simply boycott the MWC tournament as long as the conference insists
on give UNLV the home-court advantage. There is no way that can be considered
fair... and then add on the criminal behavior of the hooligan fans juiced up on
beer.
The Jazz were busy out of town on a Eastern road swing. The Energy Solutions arena would have been the perfect neutral site to hold the tournament.
If I were a BYU official, I'd simply let it be known that BYU will not award that kind of behavior by participating. Boycott Thomas and Mac.
The Jazz were busy out of town on a Eastern road swing. The Energy Solutions arena would have been the perfect neutral site to hold the tournament.
If I were a BYU official, I'd simply let it be known that BYU will not award that kind of behavior by participating. Boycott Thomas and Mac.
JD | 3:32 p.m. March 16, 2008
Security will be useless until they obtain the services of the German Shepherd
and Doberman Security Co.
Robert | 4:01 p.m. March 16, 2008
To Anonymous: Your remarks are sad and full of pride and ignorance. UNLV is
not the only team that plays its conference tournament on its home court. I
believe there are 7 conferences that play thier tournaments on someones home
court, look it up. Just for example, Conference USA plays its tournament on
Memphis's home court. Being LDS and living in Vegas I am always suprised
at the pride many BYU fans show. You know there are thousands of LDS, UNLV and
BYU fans here in Vegas and it is just sad when BYU fans come down here and
complain because of home court advantage. Half the stadium is BYU fans. By the
way, the only religion that has a building on UNLV's campus is our church.
Oh by the way, the official rebel basketball student fan section was started by
LDS students. I had fun running on the field when BYU won the bowl game over
UCLA and UNLV fans should be able to run on the court after a win and no one
should stop them.
Mason | 4:25 p.m. March 16, 2008
Yet another reason why BYU should drop sports altogether.
observer | 4:42 p.m. March 16, 2008
Isn't it nice we can all chat like this?
To Mason at 4:25 | 4:44 p.m. March 16, 2008
I'm with you.
Neutral Fan | 4:47 p.m. March 16, 2008
I attended the game and BYU fans are some of the arrogant, rude and disrepectful
around. You act you are better than everyone else, but your fans were dropping
just as many F-bombs and poor comments as the UNLV fans. The Rebel faithful
were out of hand, but Cougar fans should take a look in the mirror and maybe
take some lessons from Ute faithful on how to be have. BYU is a bunch poor
sports and sore losers.
Now Why in LV again? | 5:07 p.m. March 16, 2008
Tell me why we like to have the tournament in Las Vegas each year again?
Move it. Rotate it. Fix it.
Move it. Rotate it. Fix it.
time for changes | 5:27 p.m. March 16, 2008
I don't think the MWC tourney accomplishes anything. BYU & UNLV would
go to the NCAA anyway. Now the 2nd place team gets the better seed. Because they
lost to Utah UNM might not go and most likely was in prior.ON any other court
UNLV loses to UTAH & TCU and most likely BYU holds its lead. Home court is
more than a logo and banners. Ticket sales are more important than a true and
fair tourney.I am ok with real fans going on the court or field after a title
game but leave other fans alone. IT is so obvious how big home court is in this
league Something must be done! Maybe the MWC boss doesn't know that a good
TV deal would earn a lot more than tickets. Vegas doesn't need this little
events money and UNLV doesn't deserve it.Rotate, go nuetral or do away with
it!
SLC'er | 5:28 p.m. March 16, 2008
Re:SLC'er (12:52),
Yes, I did stereotype the BYU fans as all being sore losers, I will admit that. But you my friend are just as guilty for stereotyping when you claim UNLV fans are "one in the same" as European soccer hoodlums.
More importantly, I never ever said that what happened to the people who were hurt was deserved. So please, do me a favor and don't put words in my mouth.
It was a terrible incident. as I mentioned before, UNLV fans should be ashamed of themselves. And whoever punched someone should be arrested and charged with assault.
My point though is that this is an incredibly biased article. Mr. Harmon's article is biased because he only reported what he saw from the UNLV fans. He used language indicating that UNLV fans "triggered brawls" and other adjectives which indicate that the UNLV fans were out of control. Yet Mr. Harmon failed to mention any instance of BYU fans causing any problems, i.e. Mrs. Cummard. While the BYU fans who got hurt didn't deserve this, some BYU fans were to blame as well.
If you can't see the bias then you are blind.
Yes, I did stereotype the BYU fans as all being sore losers, I will admit that. But you my friend are just as guilty for stereotyping when you claim UNLV fans are "one in the same" as European soccer hoodlums.
More importantly, I never ever said that what happened to the people who were hurt was deserved. So please, do me a favor and don't put words in my mouth.
It was a terrible incident. as I mentioned before, UNLV fans should be ashamed of themselves. And whoever punched someone should be arrested and charged with assault.
My point though is that this is an incredibly biased article. Mr. Harmon's article is biased because he only reported what he saw from the UNLV fans. He used language indicating that UNLV fans "triggered brawls" and other adjectives which indicate that the UNLV fans were out of control. Yet Mr. Harmon failed to mention any instance of BYU fans causing any problems, i.e. Mrs. Cummard. While the BYU fans who got hurt didn't deserve this, some BYU fans were to blame as well.
If you can't see the bias then you are blind.
Idaho Coug | 5:31 p.m. March 16, 2008
Oh so funny! BYU Fans calling UNLV fans classless? I can't tell you how
many BYU games I have sat through where I was embarassed to be a cougar.
Come on... give it up! There are obnoxious fans everywhere! Lumping them all together just shows sour grapes..
You don't think BYU fans would have rushed the floor had they not choked in this game?
Come on... give it up! There are obnoxious fans everywhere! Lumping them all together just shows sour grapes..
You don't think BYU fans would have rushed the floor had they not choked in this game?
cougar coalation | 5:35 p.m. March 16, 2008
Unlv fans couldn't even sell out there 18 thousand seat thomas and mack
center on a saturday afternoon. Put the tourney in the ESA and byu would sell
out all there games.
bn | 5:36 p.m. March 16, 2008
let's face it, BYU fans would not have been storming the court, throwing
beer at Rebels, and swinging fists at people in their way had BYU won the
game.
I recall injuries on ushers during a game against Wyoming.
I hope the players are better, and I'm sure it's one in 100 that causes the worst problems, but this is like Chivas stadium - Vegas has too many thugs to deserve keeping the contract.
MWC officials must have ulterior motives - maybe its entertainment that should stay in Vegas - but drop the tourney, go to home court advantage for the ranked team, or drop out of the conference Coug's.
MWC looks more like a joke the longer it exists. Foul, foul, foul!!!
I recall injuries on ushers during a game against Wyoming.
I hope the players are better, and I'm sure it's one in 100 that causes the worst problems, but this is like Chivas stadium - Vegas has too many thugs to deserve keeping the contract.
MWC officials must have ulterior motives - maybe its entertainment that should stay in Vegas - but drop the tourney, go to home court advantage for the ranked team, or drop out of the conference Coug's.
MWC looks more like a joke the longer it exists. Foul, foul, foul!!!
go jazz | 5:50 p.m. March 16, 2008
go jazz
Seriously | 5:54 p.m. March 16, 2008
Could someone from the newspaper run a story on WHY Craig Thompson continues to
run the MWC???
He reminds me of my Grandfather in the old Jack Handy joke about how I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming and yelling like the other three people in his car.
It's like Thompson is driving and the conference is going off a cliff.
I mean, what does this guy do all day?
Was he there at the brawl to hand out a trophy?
He was at the BYU football game, but was afraid to come out of his skybox to present the trophy.
He reminds me of my Grandfather in the old Jack Handy joke about how I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming and yelling like the other three people in his car.
It's like Thompson is driving and the conference is going off a cliff.
I mean, what does this guy do all day?
Was he there at the brawl to hand out a trophy?
He was at the BYU football game, but was afraid to come out of his skybox to present the trophy.
HuntBeach | 6:12 p.m. March 16, 2008
I was at the game - in the cheap seats. UNLV fans were worse than Wyoming fans.
It was all about chanting "expletive Mormons" and attacking religion.
Bigotry lives in Nevada. Funny, I sat through the Utah - UNLV game and the
trashy Rebel fans were shouting the same spew at the few Utah fans in
attendance--though with less rancor--and calling them BYU's little sister,
etc. Trust me, at this game UNLV was at fault, not BYU. Here's to stomping
them every chance we get for the next 20 years.
Why always at UNLV | 6:10 p.m. March 16, 2008
Why do they continue to hold the confrence tournament at UNLV? I think that it
whould be held at the home of the team that won the confrence. That would be a
better solution. I don't care that BYU was playing UNLV or if it was
another team. There shold be a reason on winning the confrence regular season
title. It must come down to money.
Henry Drummond | 6:19 p.m. March 16, 2008
Neither of the Las Vegas newspapers even mentions the "brawl" in their
coverage. Strange.
Cougarz 1 | 6:18 p.m. March 16, 2008
The Fact is that UNLV was 8-0 at home in the MWC and 4-4 on the road this year.
I attended every game of that tournament and if it was played in any other arena
UNLV would have lost to TCU in the first round. The Refs saved their butts
against both TCU AND Utah. I have traveled with the Cougs to every arena in the
MWC and UNLV fans are by far the worst. The TCU game: I cheered for TCU and not
5 minutes into the game I had a UNLV thug get in my face screaming at me that he
was going to knock me out for cheering against UNLV. It is an awful setting and
the rest of the MWC should boycott the tourny next year if the venue isn't
changed.
Agree and Agree | 6:23 p.m. March 16, 2008
I love to watch the Y lose because there is a little "primadona" feel
to BYU and Provo Mormons but with that said I have to agree that BYU would win
this game on a neutral court. I went to Utah State and understand where Y fans
are coming from. Can you imagine if the tournament was in Logan or Provo. USU or
BYU could finish at the bottom of the league and still win the tourney at home,
guaranteed. So to see the tourney held at non-neutral courts like Vegas and Las
Cruces is total bull. I will also agree that UNLV fans are for the most part out
of control hoodlums but who would expect different I mean it is Vegas. I live in
Vegas now and have been to a few games, simply as a fan of the game but
something needs to be done NCAA wide to eliminate these "home" court
tournaments. The fact that the players and fans get roughed up here in Vegas is
totally ridiculous. Utah State brings serious fans that are easily as good as
UNLV but we also win with class and don't kill the players and fans
afterward.
Ernest T Bass | 6:26 p.m. March 16, 2008
re:HuntBeach
Typical Cougar Fan with the Holier than thou attitude.
I like that you mentioned the same things were thrown at Utah, and Ute fans handled it with class, no brawl.
Typical Cougar Fan with the Holier than thou attitude.
I like that you mentioned the same things were thrown at Utah, and Ute fans handled it with class, no brawl.
CougarKeith | 7:02 p.m. March 16, 2008
Vegas Is A Fine place for the Conference Tournament, UNLV's Home Floor IS
NOT! It should be a Neutral Site. Why not have the Conference Tournament at the
Conference Regular Season Champion School if it has to be on a schools home
floor. Sadly nearly every Conference Tourney Winner had some fans rush the
floor. Even BYU fans rushed the court and the field when we won the Conference
Championships in both football and basketball! We were asked "Not
Too", but many did anyway. Many here are sounding hypocritical sadly. True,
we don't seem to be animalistic like in Vegas, and other venues, but we
don't serve alcohol in our venues either, which contribute to the problem.
Sadly we got beat by a team with more heart in this game. They wanted it more
than we did. We let them back in it, and they deserved to win the game. I am a
huge Cougar fan, but they did what it took, and we ran out of gas. I hope we can
win 1 game in the NCAA tournament this year. Would be nice, but like I have
said, you have to be able to shoot FREE THROWS!
re:Neutral Fan 4:47 | 7:06 p.m. March 16, 2008
Do you really think anyone who has ever been to a game a either LES or the MC
buys what you're selling there Boss???
Y can't win in the NCAA | 7:06 p.m. March 16, 2008
The only people that need to be taisered are the wives of the cougar players.
Sherriff cummard felt necessary to restrain the UNLV fans from storming the
court. Why does BYU feel that they're the only ones that should be allowed
to storm the court.
Oh well. . . it won't matter. BYU can't win in the tourney games anyways. They'll lose first round . . . again.
Oh well. . . it won't matter. BYU can't win in the tourney games anyways. They'll lose first round . . . again.
All Post's Aside | 7:09 p.m. March 16, 2008
Can anyone tell me why the conference Champion in both Basketball and Football
must go through UNLV???
I mean, can you imagine the same scenario, bowl games at Edwards Stadium, and basketball tourney at the Marriott Center, would any of the other universities let that slide???
And Ernest T: It's not a "holier than thou" attitude, it's a "Better than Thou" attitude that makes all of you euytes upset, and probably rightfully so.
I mean, can you imagine the same scenario, bowl games at Edwards Stadium, and basketball tourney at the Marriott Center, would any of the other universities let that slide???
And Ernest T: It's not a "holier than thou" attitude, it's a "Better than Thou" attitude that makes all of you euytes upset, and probably rightfully so.
Disgusting Display | 7:18 p.m. March 16, 2008
What an absolutely disgusting display of childish unsportsman-like conduct. The
MWC committee needs to forever ban the tournament from the Thomas and Mack
Center forever. That being said, no one, and we mean no one, should have been hurt at this game. It was so sad that so many fans that came to enjoy a sporting event had to endure a full on riot. Dispicable!!! p.s. to all of those Cougar fans that act like they were so innocent in all of this... They were the furthest thing from innocent. I was at the game and they were just as rude and unsportsmanlike as the UNLV fans were if not worse. They brought it upon themselves and were taunting UNLV fans the whole time. Dispicable!
Center forever. That being said, no one, and we mean no one, should have been hurt at this game. It was so sad that so many fans that came to enjoy a sporting event had to endure a full on riot. Dispicable!!! p.s. to all of those Cougar fans that act like they were so innocent in all of this... They were the furthest thing from innocent. I was at the game and they were just as rude and unsportsmanlike as the UNLV fans were if not worse. They brought it upon themselves and were taunting UNLV fans the whole time. Dispicable!
eric l | 7:41 p.m. March 16, 2008
unlv i so disrespectful byu could have beat any where else explain why the games
are always in las vegas gosh
Plant. | 7:42 p.m. March 16, 2008
Just going to BYU doesn't make you holier than thou. It's the fans
that bring religion into everything and think that they're religion is
better than the next person. And that because they attend a religiously
affiliated school, that the school is automatically better than every other
school. Then it's the people that say, oh BYU fans would never involve
themselves in a brawl because of their religious affiliation. Because supposedly
BYU fans are better than that. I'd hope that fans of any team would be
better than that, but BYU fans seems to think more highly of themselves than
other fans. There are bad fans everywhere. I just have a hard time believing
that UNLV fans just completely started fights unprovoked and that the BYU fans
just stood there dumbfounded that fights were breaking out. Then players'
wives got involved for no reason. There was involvement on both sides and
you're going to get ugly fans wherever you go. BYU fans are not any
different.
overdone | 7:55 p.m. March 16, 2008
I live in Las Vegas, went to BYU. UNLV has a thuggish reputation because it is
deserved. It is a second rate school, allows almost anyone to attend, and it is
party station for the students. You only go to UNLV if there is no second
choice.
TJ | 8:18 p.m. March 16, 2008
Why doesn't the MWC give the tournament to the regular season champs. I
know that it would make it difficult for last minute plans, but it's only
fair.
The Big Sky does it right by giving it to the winners. It makes the regular season more meaningful if you know your team could host the tournament. Weber State has gone to the big dance every year they have hosted the post season tourney. Portland State did it this year.
The Big Sky does it right by giving it to the winners. It makes the regular season more meaningful if you know your team could host the tournament. Weber State has gone to the big dance every year they have hosted the post season tourney. Portland State did it this year.
Why I am not a BYU fan... | 8:19 p.m. March 16, 2008
To Anonymous | 2:34 p.m. Mar. 16, 2008: Not that I expect you to ever read
this, but YOU are the worst kind of fan. Your ingnorant rant was incoherent and
crass.
First, many teams have conference tournaments at school sites. Several are held at the campus of the first place team, but several are not. The WCC and the WAC are two examples of conferences much like the MWC. Sand Diego won the WCC over St. Mary's and Gonzaga, and the tournament was held in San Diego's gym (note: next year the WCC tourney will be at The Orleans in Vegas). New Mexico State hosted the WAC tourney in Las Cruces the last two years. They won it last year and made the championship game this year. Nevada hosted it prior to that and will be hosting it for the next two years (They won it last time they hosted it).
Second, you should be embarrassed and ashamed of the rant you closed your comment out with. You are not holier-than-thou only because you support a church school, but YOU are the reason many people dislike your school. YOU give the rest of us LDS a bad name!
First, many teams have conference tournaments at school sites. Several are held at the campus of the first place team, but several are not. The WCC and the WAC are two examples of conferences much like the MWC. Sand Diego won the WCC over St. Mary's and Gonzaga, and the tournament was held in San Diego's gym (note: next year the WCC tourney will be at The Orleans in Vegas). New Mexico State hosted the WAC tourney in Las Cruces the last two years. They won it last year and made the championship game this year. Nevada hosted it prior to that and will be hosting it for the next two years (They won it last time they hosted it).
Second, you should be embarrassed and ashamed of the rant you closed your comment out with. You are not holier-than-thou only because you support a church school, but YOU are the reason many people dislike your school. YOU give the rest of us LDS a bad name!
To: Why I am not a BYU fan... | 8:37 p.m. March 16, 2008
I couldn't have said it better myself!
Concerned fan | 8:59 p.m. March 16, 2008
If the fans were to be held responsible for their actions, maybe the violence
would stop. Despite constant reminders they still rushed the floor. Fight or
flight, both sides are not innocent. The team whose fans disregarded the rules
should have to pay. Maybe a forfeit of the spot in the NCAA tournament would
keep fans in check for the following years.
JNBD | 9:04 p.m. March 16, 2008
I was at the Game and have these questions.
1) Who put the UNLV fans and BYU Fans next to each other? Section 110 and 111.
2) Who put the BYU Cheerleaders in front of the largest group of UNLV fans? I am sure those girls heard some great comments.
3) Who makes the money from the Alcohol sales. Not just beer but full bars?
4) Who hires the 70-80 year old ushers for security?
5) Who schedules this tournament in Las Vegas every year?
6) Who wrote the story about the MWC commissioner Thompson in the tournament program? He took credit for Utah going 11-0 and and breaking into the BCS. I don't remember him playing. He also had the guts to brag about his great TV deals. Are you kidding. I can't believe I paid $5 for the program.
The answer to all of these questions is Craig Thompson MWC Commissioner.
Next questions.
1) Who hired him?
2) Who does he answer to?
3) Who should fire him?
Answer: The Conference Presidents. Please do the right thing.
1) Who put the UNLV fans and BYU Fans next to each other? Section 110 and 111.
2) Who put the BYU Cheerleaders in front of the largest group of UNLV fans? I am sure those girls heard some great comments.
3) Who makes the money from the Alcohol sales. Not just beer but full bars?
4) Who hires the 70-80 year old ushers for security?
5) Who schedules this tournament in Las Vegas every year?
6) Who wrote the story about the MWC commissioner Thompson in the tournament program? He took credit for Utah going 11-0 and and breaking into the BCS. I don't remember him playing. He also had the guts to brag about his great TV deals. Are you kidding. I can't believe I paid $5 for the program.
The answer to all of these questions is Craig Thompson MWC Commissioner.
Next questions.
1) Who hired him?
2) Who does he answer to?
3) Who should fire him?
Answer: The Conference Presidents. Please do the right thing.
Sanity Here... Checking In | 9:20 p.m. March 16, 2008
Let's Get Real Folks.
I believe some BYU football players were recently involved in an 'altercation' due to some poly dance.
I believe Las Vegas is the most central site for ALL the MWC schools and Fans. I didn't hear many complaints from the CSU and WYO fans that made the trip. To some of us that aren't die hards, it is nice to go somewhere warm and cheer for our team.
BYU could take the home court advantage IF enough people travelled to Vegas. To my knowledge there is no limit to a certain school or group buying a limit of tickets.
BYU Fans should be upset with their own. IF more of you traveled, You take away the homecourt. Just like the Vegas Bowl being a 'neutral' site.
Personally, I saw more New Mexico shirts/hats than BYU shirts/hats.
Stop complaining and start buying tickets.
I believe some BYU football players were recently involved in an 'altercation' due to some poly dance.
I believe Las Vegas is the most central site for ALL the MWC schools and Fans. I didn't hear many complaints from the CSU and WYO fans that made the trip. To some of us that aren't die hards, it is nice to go somewhere warm and cheer for our team.
BYU could take the home court advantage IF enough people travelled to Vegas. To my knowledge there is no limit to a certain school or group buying a limit of tickets.
BYU Fans should be upset with their own. IF more of you traveled, You take away the homecourt. Just like the Vegas Bowl being a 'neutral' site.
Personally, I saw more New Mexico shirts/hats than BYU shirts/hats.
Stop complaining and start buying tickets.
Utah Fan Says Change the Venue | 9:52 p.m. March 16, 2008
I just moved back to Utah from Las Vegas. I always attended games at Thomas and
Mack to cheer for Utah and against BYU. I think having the tournament in Las
Vegas (or San Diego) is a good idea due to all the other entertainment options
and good weather but there must be a new venue for the tournament. There are
venues at the Orleans and the MGM that have hosted other basketball tournaments
in the past. The Orleans holds around 8,000 and the MGM holds around 11,000
people. Charge higher prices on the tickets. This would give UNLV less of an
advantage and it would be great to see a sold out arena. I have witnessed many
fights during UNLV football and basketball fans. The arenas allow liquor and
many fans go to get wasted. BYU fans should have not fought with them. Hopefully
the commissioner will pull his head out and make a venue change.
It's all about Money | 9:53 p.m. March 16, 2008
Lets be honest,
The reason the MWC tourney is in LV is all about Money.
The Mountain West Conference loses so much money from their TV deal they need to make it up somewhere.
If UNLV had played as good as they did in the second half on a neutral court, they still probably would have one. But the fact is, they probably wouldn't have played that good. If home court isn't that big of an advantage why did BYU beat this same team by 26 points at home? Why has BYU won 47 straight games at home?
However, the ONLY, reason UNLV even made it to the championship game was because they got all the 50-50 calls in the TCU, and Utah games. Had one of those questionable calls not gone to the Rebels, they wouldn't have even been in the game. This home court advantage is not fair. Its all about money.
The MTN west conference commissioner needs to go. He's messed up way too many times.
The reason the MWC tourney is in LV is all about Money.
The Mountain West Conference loses so much money from their TV deal they need to make it up somewhere.
If UNLV had played as good as they did in the second half on a neutral court, they still probably would have one. But the fact is, they probably wouldn't have played that good. If home court isn't that big of an advantage why did BYU beat this same team by 26 points at home? Why has BYU won 47 straight games at home?
However, the ONLY, reason UNLV even made it to the championship game was because they got all the 50-50 calls in the TCU, and Utah games. Had one of those questionable calls not gone to the Rebels, they wouldn't have even been in the game. This home court advantage is not fair. Its all about money.
The MTN west conference commissioner needs to go. He's messed up way too many times.
oh my... | 10:25 p.m. March 16, 2008
Congratulations to UNLV, the 2008 UNLV Classic Champions.
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