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Double Standard in Sex Crimes | 12:33 p.m. March 7, 2008
Someone explain this to me please.
When an adult (someone over the age of 18) looks at pictures of minors in a sexual context it's considered a felony/major crime in most western societies.
Why isn't it AT LEAST a misdemeanor/minor crime for teenagers nearing adulthood for doing the same thing?
In fact if an adult were to actually produce and distribute this type of pictures they would have the book thrown at them.
There is a HUGE double standard applied to men in sex crimes!
These "kids" are child pornographers! These criminals will likely not even pay a fine for their actions. Yet an adult would get several years of prison time!
How many female school-teachers get a slap on the wrist for committing sexual acts with minors. Its a growing problem. Yet if an adult male does the same thing its a guaranteed prison terms of several years.
Now I am NOT condoning these actions by any group in any way. But in these days of Political Correctness gone crazy, if we throw the book at men we should also throw the book at women and even at young minors who commit even more serious crimes such as distribution
When an adult (someone over the age of 18) looks at pictures of minors in a sexual context it's considered a felony/major crime in most western societies.
Why isn't it AT LEAST a misdemeanor/minor crime for teenagers nearing adulthood for doing the same thing?
In fact if an adult were to actually produce and distribute this type of pictures they would have the book thrown at them.
There is a HUGE double standard applied to men in sex crimes!
These "kids" are child pornographers! These criminals will likely not even pay a fine for their actions. Yet an adult would get several years of prison time!
How many female school-teachers get a slap on the wrist for committing sexual acts with minors. Its a growing problem. Yet if an adult male does the same thing its a guaranteed prison terms of several years.
Now I am NOT condoning these actions by any group in any way. But in these days of Political Correctness gone crazy, if we throw the book at men we should also throw the book at women and even at young minors who commit even more serious crimes such as distribution
addicted 40 year old | 12:48 p.m. March 7, 2008
As someone who is addicted to pornography, I wish I could "just grow out of
it." It started when I was their age, I figured I would be able to get out
of it when I got married, and that simply hasn't happened. I'm looking
at another 40 years of trying to "just grow out of it."
Something like this can lead to serious consequences. I'm not saying put these kids behind bars, but certainly there need to be some more constraints, because they won't just grow out of it.
Something like this can lead to serious consequences. I'm not saying put these kids behind bars, but certainly there need to be some more constraints, because they won't just grow out of it.
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NotDan | 1:01 p.m. March 7, 2008
Don't forget to get these "little perverts" a lifetime spot on
Utah's Sexual Predator's list.
Come on, these are just kids. This is their parent's responsibility to handle. Keep the County Prosecutors out of this.
Only in Utah. Don't you think this is happening all over the country/world? I am willing to bet that kids in Connecticut or Georgia are told to stop being naughty and sent home. Felony? Are you Davis County parents going to visit their kids when they are sent to the Point of the Mountain? Is this really the way to treat your future general authorities?
Where is Rob Bishop? Maybe he should have stayed in the school district where he had more direct impact on the lives of these bored children. Perhaps them read the classics, like Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing.
Maybe Sprint will let these parents break their contract when they take away the kids phone.
Come on, these are just kids. This is their parent's responsibility to handle. Keep the County Prosecutors out of this.
Only in Utah. Don't you think this is happening all over the country/world? I am willing to bet that kids in Connecticut or Georgia are told to stop being naughty and sent home. Felony? Are you Davis County parents going to visit their kids when they are sent to the Point of the Mountain? Is this really the way to treat your future general authorities?
Where is Rob Bishop? Maybe he should have stayed in the school district where he had more direct impact on the lives of these bored children. Perhaps them read the classics, like Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing.
Maybe Sprint will let these parents break their contract when they take away the kids phone.
Wonder Why | 1:06 p.m. March 7, 2008
Problem #1 they are proscuting the wrong person, nail the parents of these kids
for being stupid, irresponsible and just plain lazy. What is so important that a
kid in Jr High needs a cell phone? Lets give them cars too and see how that
goes.
Parents set guide lines and quit being ignorant, Sally and Bobby are not little darlings if you think so then you need counseling more than they do. Rather than a police record how about a good trip to the wood shed and a little corporal punishment, a good spanking never killed anyone, its about time that partents started taking an active role in their kids lives and learn the word NO, no kid died over that word. If we want a society of perverts, thugs, liars cheats and etc. then put your head back in the sand, if mom and dad do not care then somone has to protect the rest of the decent respectable families from these present and future deviants. But then again the family computer is more than likley loaded with porn, gee wonder where the little snots got the idea in the first place from???????
Parents set guide lines and quit being ignorant, Sally and Bobby are not little darlings if you think so then you need counseling more than they do. Rather than a police record how about a good trip to the wood shed and a little corporal punishment, a good spanking never killed anyone, its about time that partents started taking an active role in their kids lives and learn the word NO, no kid died over that word. If we want a society of perverts, thugs, liars cheats and etc. then put your head back in the sand, if mom and dad do not care then somone has to protect the rest of the decent respectable families from these present and future deviants. But then again the family computer is more than likley loaded with porn, gee wonder where the little snots got the idea in the first place from???????
Aaron | 1:20 p.m. March 7, 2008
Some of you people have got to be kidding. The reason these kids don't get
felonies is BECAUSE THEY'RE KIDS.
Don't get me wrong, I would be mortified if it were my kid, but can nobody remember the curiosity of that age? And as was pointed out earlier, this stuff is all over. The answer is for parents to try to be frank and willing to address the birds and the bees in a much more direct way than past generations. There is no reason to make youthful stupidity follow the kids for the rest of their lives.
Don't get me wrong, I would be mortified if it were my kid, but can nobody remember the curiosity of that age? And as was pointed out earlier, this stuff is all over. The answer is for parents to try to be frank and willing to address the birds and the bees in a much more direct way than past generations. There is no reason to make youthful stupidity follow the kids for the rest of their lives.
Wasted Resources | 1:55 p.m. March 7, 2008
As a former prosecutor and criminal defense attorney, I can say without
equivocation that police and prosecutors spend way too much time and money on
issues which, though perhaps technically violations of the law, can (or should)
be much more effectively handled in the home. To some extent, parents have made
this necessary by abdicating their responsibilities, but whatever the reason may
be, we all pay the price. By spending time dealing with these children,
prosecutors have less time to work on more serious and significant cases.
Because we spend so much time on this type of case, we have to hire more
prosecutors, more police officers, more judges, and more jail and prison guards.
Is this really a benefit to society?
Please recognize that I am not saying what these kids did was harmless or ok. Far from it. I just don't think the criminal justice system is the best place to address it, and I don't believe doing so is the best use of limited prosecutorial resources.
Please recognize that I am not saying what these kids did was harmless or ok. Far from it. I just don't think the criminal justice system is the best place to address it, and I don't believe doing so is the best use of limited prosecutorial resources.
More on Wasted Resources | 2:00 p.m. March 7, 2008
My previous comments were directed primarily to the conduct of kids who took
pictures of themselves and sent them to friends. I feel completely different
about those predatory kids who tried to use these photos as a blackmail
opportunity. The criminal justice system is absolutely the proper place to
address this type of behavior, which is clearly the kind of conduct likely to
manifest itself later in life if left unchecked. This conduct has less in common
with looking at a Playboy, and more with rape.
Honestly... | 2:12 p.m. March 7, 2008
How would YOU react if it were your children texting pictures? Seriously,
I'd love to know how many of you would take the phones away, ignore the
behavior or do something else. What would YOU do in this situation?
RE:Not Dan | 2:05 p.m. March 7, 2008
"Come on, these are just kids. This is their parent's responsibility
to handle. Keep the County Prosecutors out of this."
If your little boy has a picture of my daughter on his phone, and thinks it's funny, and send it around school, and tries to get her to do things with him because he has a copy of an upskirt shot, or and down the chest shot (Or even one she gave to another student without thinking) I want them to throw the proverbial book at that little thug and have it follow him for the rest of his life.
I refuse to wait for your son to "grow out of it", and the same with little girls.
It's time we started making kids responsible, because there's not a magic bell at 18 years old and they go "ting" and they suddenly are mature.
So, yes, put your little Perverts on Utah's registry, because when they go on to be big Perverts, it's not at the expense of a little child.
I would like to know which 14 year old that lives by my 7 year old daughter has a felony conviction for kiddie porn!
If your little boy has a picture of my daughter on his phone, and thinks it's funny, and send it around school, and tries to get her to do things with him because he has a copy of an upskirt shot, or and down the chest shot (Or even one she gave to another student without thinking) I want them to throw the proverbial book at that little thug and have it follow him for the rest of his life.
I refuse to wait for your son to "grow out of it", and the same with little girls.
It's time we started making kids responsible, because there's not a magic bell at 18 years old and they go "ting" and they suddenly are mature.
So, yes, put your little Perverts on Utah's registry, because when they go on to be big Perverts, it's not at the expense of a little child.
I would like to know which 14 year old that lives by my 7 year old daughter has a felony conviction for kiddie porn!
Anonymous | 2:14 p.m. March 7, 2008
The "children" need to be taught that it is not ok to break the law.
If their parents won't do it then society needs to do it. They won't
carry the felony forever it will be sealed as part of their juvenille record.
Many times the plea bargain will allow them a way out of the felony.
At what time in a "childs" life should they learn consequenses for their wrongs? If they learn the "hard" way now; then perhaps it will deter them from crimes as an adult.
At what time in a "childs" life should they learn consequenses for their wrongs? If they learn the "hard" way now; then perhaps it will deter them from crimes as an adult.
russ | 2:15 p.m. March 7, 2008
Cell phones in the schools. Logical. Using cell phones in the halls, logical.
Kids socializing using their cells, logical.
With freedom comes responsibility. That is not logical to a 15 year old with hormones raging.
good luck schools. good luck parents. good luck society.
With freedom comes responsibility. That is not logical to a 15 year old with hormones raging.
good luck schools. good luck parents. good luck society.
RE: RE: Not Dan | 2:16 p.m. March 7, 2008
If my little boy has a picture of your daughter on his phone, then it is
probably because your angelic daughter took the picture and sent it to him. So I
assume from your comments that you believe your daughter should also have the
book thrown at her, and her name placed on the offender registry for the rest of
her life. Right?
Parenting? | 2:26 p.m. March 7, 2008
If you parents would spend less time posting comments to this story, and more
time parenting your children, we wouldn't be having this conversation in
the first place.
Simple | 2:27 p.m. March 7, 2008
1. Take the phones!
2. Gather and destroy the pictures! The police will now have these kids pictures in "evidence" for a long time and it will be viewed by them how many times if this goes to court? This will help who?
3. Punish the kids! The kids made dumb choices but I do not think we need anymore teenage felons--maybe a misdemeanor but not a felony over stupid kid judgements.
Any more questions?
2. Gather and destroy the pictures! The police will now have these kids pictures in "evidence" for a long time and it will be viewed by them how many times if this goes to court? This will help who?
3. Punish the kids! The kids made dumb choices but I do not think we need anymore teenage felons--maybe a misdemeanor but not a felony over stupid kid judgements.
Any more questions?
To: Honestly... | 2:30 p.m. March 7, 2008
If my sons' were a part of this ring they know what would happen. First the
phone and all other forms of electronic communication would be gone. Then they
would be forced to contact the police and turn themselves in for questioning and
jail time if the crime is severe enough.
My sons' have been taught to have respect for themselves and others.
Their phones are checked randomly and their internet is restricted by time and content. They know we will check and it has prevented a lot of possible problems.
We don't know many other parents that would do the same. We intend to hold our children accountable for all they do and say. Society will and they need to learn that in the comfort of their own home.
My sons' have been taught to have respect for themselves and others.
Their phones are checked randomly and their internet is restricted by time and content. They know we will check and it has prevented a lot of possible problems.
We don't know many other parents that would do the same. We intend to hold our children accountable for all they do and say. Society will and they need to learn that in the comfort of their own home.
I Guess I Don't Get It | 2:37 p.m. March 7, 2008
Child Pornography is Child Pornography regardless of who generates, sends, or
views it. It is a felony to generate, send or view Child Pornography.
Prosecutors are supposed to prosecute anyone who generates, sends or views Child
Pornography. This is what the prosecutor is doing. Am I missing something?
swift | 2:52 p.m. March 7, 2008
I know some of these kids and their parents. In a nutshell, their parents care
more about their Escalades, gym memberships and breast augmentations than they
do about policing their kid's cell phones. It's sad, but the truth.
I don't blame it all on the parents though. These kids are far past the
age of accountability. They know it's wrong and should pay some sort of
consequence.
Back Off of Parents | 2:55 p.m. March 7, 2008
You people are really something. Blame everything on the parents. What a bunch
of BS. The only way parents should be blamed for their children's behavior
is if the parents have FULL AND COMPLETE CONTROL over their children. The Law
does not allow that. The law requires that they attend public school (most of us
aren't wealthy enough to afford private school). At the public school,
children are heavily influenced by friends and teachers who do not share the
same values you may have at home.
My wife and I followed the prophets' directives to the letter while raising our two children. But they made their own choices, and there was nothing we could do about it.
Don't be so hard on parents when their children make bad decisions. The children need to learn to be responsible for their own actions. Quit blaming everything on parents.
My wife and I followed the prophets' directives to the letter while raising our two children. But they made their own choices, and there was nothing we could do about it.
Don't be so hard on parents when their children make bad decisions. The children need to learn to be responsible for their own actions. Quit blaming everything on parents.
hey | 3:13 p.m. March 7, 2008
this was also an issue in Monticello, I wonder what happened in that case as
the Sheriff was adamant about getting to the bottom of this!
reRE: RE: Not Dan | 3:35 p.m. March 7, 2008
Well, gee there Dan, I guess you did not read the comment I posted, which would
lead to your moronic post.
"if he has a copy of an upskirt shot, or a down the chest shot (Or even one she gave to another student without thinking)" not intended for your little pervert son to be sending, and is passing it around, yes throw the book at him and register him.
It is apparent that you are not aware of the laws and that kiddie porn is a felony.
I am positive that there are no pictures out there of my daughter, but as long as she is under 18 years old, I would push for as stiff a penalty as was possible against your son, and you, if you were getting your pleasure out of pictures of little girls as well.
I hope that you take the time to read this time, and understand, because I have been as clear as I possibly can.
Boys will be boys is NOT ACCEPTABLE when they abuse little girls there buddy.
Sounds like you would make a good priest or President of the United Sttes, though, cause laws shouldn't apply to you.
"if he has a copy of an upskirt shot, or a down the chest shot (Or even one she gave to another student without thinking)" not intended for your little pervert son to be sending, and is passing it around, yes throw the book at him and register him.
It is apparent that you are not aware of the laws and that kiddie porn is a felony.
I am positive that there are no pictures out there of my daughter, but as long as she is under 18 years old, I would push for as stiff a penalty as was possible against your son, and you, if you were getting your pleasure out of pictures of little girls as well.
I hope that you take the time to read this time, and understand, because I have been as clear as I possibly can.
Boys will be boys is NOT ACCEPTABLE when they abuse little girls there buddy.
Sounds like you would make a good priest or President of the United Sttes, though, cause laws shouldn't apply to you.
You don't get it | 3:33 p.m. March 7, 2008
There is such a thing as context. Do you really think these kids were thinking
"gee lets make some child porn today"--I doubt it. Sure thats what it
is to adults but to the kids involved it was risky, it was a dare, it was crazy
teen behavior.....and obviously very poor judgement. I can guarantee the
thought never crossed their mind until they all got in trouble.
We are adults and we view it that way--understandable. They are kids and we ought to attempt to view it from their perspective so as not to ruin their lives by labeling them as pedophiles which none of them likely are.
Sure if you have some kid who was involved in some forcible sexual act then that is more serious and then deal with that but lets not throw them all away because of their adolescent stupidity.
We are adults and we view it that way--understandable. They are kids and we ought to attempt to view it from their perspective so as not to ruin their lives by labeling them as pedophiles which none of them likely are.
Sure if you have some kid who was involved in some forcible sexual act then that is more serious and then deal with that but lets not throw them all away because of their adolescent stupidity.
PARENT | 3:54 p.m. March 7, 2008
To everyone out there - I'm a parent of one of these children. Yes this is
wrong!!! My son has a phone so I know where he is and who he is with. I check
his phone and texts all the time. Did I look for pictures? Didn't even
think about that! My question to Davis County School District if this was going
on last year why were parents not informed????
A Kid | 4:58 p.m. March 7, 2008
My parents let me use a cell phone. It is their phone. I mostly only use it to
keep in contact with them, just to let them know where I am, what I am doing,
and who I am with, or if I need them. The phone isn't able to take
pictures, so there is no problem with that. I appreciate its use, and I
understand the responsibility that comes with it. They can monitor it, but that
only proves I can be trusted.
wrs | 5:02 p.m. March 7, 2008
"Yes, getting them counseling instead of prison is going to harm them for
life. It might actually deter this behavior in the future!"
Getting counseling is quite simple. "Look son/daughter, don't do this again. OK? End of counseling.
Getting counseling is quite simple. "Look son/daughter, don't do this again. OK? End of counseling.
History Teacher | 5:27 p.m. March 7, 2008
I've had this discussion with my students for the last ten years, so I will
throw it out there and see what comes of it.
Whay do students need a phone at school? When a phone is against school policy, why are students coming up and letting me know their mom is on the phone calling and they need to answer it?
While I can hear a phone on "vibrate" go off, student's can download a ringtone called "mosquito" that adults cannot hear (It was originally developed in England to keep kids away from convienience stores).
How are we supposed to enforce rules when parents send them to school with phones? When People like Dan think it's OK for his sons to pull this kind of crap, and use "it's the girls fault" excuse.
I am not for prison. They are unnecessary in the classroom.
I am for getting the cellphones out of the schools. They are not allowed in Adult spas and locker rooms, courtrooms, changing rooms, why can we not get the schoolboard to get them out of the classroom?
Whay do students need a phone at school? When a phone is against school policy, why are students coming up and letting me know their mom is on the phone calling and they need to answer it?
While I can hear a phone on "vibrate" go off, student's can download a ringtone called "mosquito" that adults cannot hear (It was originally developed in England to keep kids away from convienience stores).
How are we supposed to enforce rules when parents send them to school with phones? When People like Dan think it's OK for his sons to pull this kind of crap, and use "it's the girls fault" excuse.
I am not for prison. They are unnecessary in the classroom.
I am for getting the cellphones out of the schools. They are not allowed in Adult spas and locker rooms, courtrooms, changing rooms, why can we not get the schoolboard to get them out of the classroom?
Kids | 7:00 p.m. March 7, 2008
This sounds like and older version of the young kids - You show me yours, and I
will show you mine.
Chris | 7:30 p.m. March 7, 2008
This is why I don't live in davis county. Or go anywhere near it.
And I know you are happy I'm not there.
This should be a family matter unless there is a repeat offense. It should not be criminal. Looks like the girls and boys are all guilty. So lets let their parents punish them and deal with them if they do it again.
And I know you are happy I'm not there.
This should be a family matter unless there is a repeat offense. It should not be criminal. Looks like the girls and boys are all guilty. So lets let their parents punish them and deal with them if they do it again.
Ed | 11:20 p.m. March 7, 2008
People want to know why do schools allow cell phones. Well, we wish we could
just take them away and ban them completely but there is a large, but still
minority, group of parents out there that are so vocal about their kids being
able to use cell phones. If we do take them away, and we do from time to time,
mommy and daddy complain to the highest echelons of the school district and too
many higher ups don't have the backbone to tell mom and dad to stick it.
Schools are damned if we do, damned if we don't. And, we brought this on
ourselves. We tried to be all things to all people and that is not the purpose
of schools. I say prosecute those who broke the law and yes, these are felony
charges. If adults participated in this type of behavior it would be called
trafficking in kiddie porn. Why should teenagers be any different? Oh, I
forgot...they are only kids. Gotta protect those kids. Well, here's how
you protect them for the long term. Either counseling or prosecution. Their
choice.
Anonymous | 12:14 a.m. March 8, 2008
if they start doing that at this time of their life (so much early), what are
they going to do when they are adults? we are talking about values, moral,
ethics. Looking at playboy is one thing and other very different is taking pics
of somebody naked and send it to the virtual world without consent, and worst,
blackmailing! Where are the values of those kids? And where are the values of
those saying no biggy? If a society doesn't keep its values (and I am not
talking about religion here, simply and plain values and morals), that society
would become a simple jungle. Is that the kind of place you want live in? Davis
School District should impose a policy of no cell phones at school. Grant
teachers to confiscate them and they will return them AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
Problem solved. If they don't like it, parents can register their kids at
other schools.
Mike Leach | 4:16 a.m. March 8, 2008
The only thing predatory about this entire matter is the feeding frenzy the cops
and prosecutors have embarked upon to give these teens criminal histories at
such a young age.
In today's world kids are far more along in their display of sexual deviancy than their parents were at the same age.
Times change get use to it. Utah nor any other state is ever going to stop this type of behavior.
In today's world kids are far more along in their display of sexual deviancy than their parents were at the same age.
Times change get use to it. Utah nor any other state is ever going to stop this type of behavior.
DL | 11:10 a.m. March 8, 2008
I think the cops and attorney smell alot of money coming their way from the
court in fines......This is the real issue of why they are pursuing this like
they are. The more money and power they get, the less freedoms we all will have.
Nothing new | 12:07 p.m. March 8, 2008
Back in 1970 or thereabouts, a girl at my high school got caught taking pictures
of girls in the shower after PE class. This kind of stuff is nothing new, there
are just easier ways to accomplish it now. It's as old as time.
Vernal Roid | 2:35 p.m. March 8, 2008
Can't we blame this on having soft drinks in the schools? Like we do
obesity or our out of control kids.I know,let's blame the Mormon church . I
just hate to think that I may have to get so involved in my kids' life so
that I could curve this type of behavior.
to: WRS | 3:44 p.m. March 8, 2008
quoting "wrs": Getting counseling is quite simple. "Look
son/daughter, don't do this again. OK? End of counseling.
Your version of counseling isn't going to deter anything. No penalties, loss of privileges, nothing. When the kid does it again, what will you say then? "Kid, this is the 2nd time. Don't do it again." End of counseling?
Take away the cell phone, educate your teenager about the harm this behavior does to others. Read to them about the dangers of pornography and how addictive it is. Let them know about what penalties the legal system will impose on them if they continue down this road or other related paths. Then if they continue down the path and become criminals, at least you have warned them of the consequences.
Your version of counseling isn't going to deter anything. No penalties, loss of privileges, nothing. When the kid does it again, what will you say then? "Kid, this is the 2nd time. Don't do it again." End of counseling?
Take away the cell phone, educate your teenager about the harm this behavior does to others. Read to them about the dangers of pornography and how addictive it is. Let them know about what penalties the legal system will impose on them if they continue down this road or other related paths. Then if they continue down the path and become criminals, at least you have warned them of the consequences.
David | 4:44 p.m. March 8, 2008
It hurts to live in a backward time. If kids had had cell phones 50 years
ago---Newsbulletin: They would have done the same thing. That includes adults,
parents and grandparents.
Back in the '70's, kids streaked...and nobody thought it was "horrific", they did it for fun, a little bit of rascally humor, to shock people a little, but it was not seen as "detrimental to their survival".
To those who want young people to be arrested/prosecuted/given felony records...have you ever considered that that could possibly be more traumatizing to them than any picture that might have existed of them?
Kids have always been kids, and the analyzing and prosecuting of them for being that is more of a commentary on how irrational and hysterical this country has become in the last couple of decades.
I will readily agree that any young person who uses a nude picture of a peer for intimidation purposes should be held responsible, and, if necessary, charged.
But inventing young people into being "criminals" for simply taking photos of each other, in EVERY case, is an example of hysterical thinking on the part of the adults. The kids deserve better. They deserve rationality.
Back in the '70's, kids streaked...and nobody thought it was "horrific", they did it for fun, a little bit of rascally humor, to shock people a little, but it was not seen as "detrimental to their survival".
To those who want young people to be arrested/prosecuted/given felony records...have you ever considered that that could possibly be more traumatizing to them than any picture that might have existed of them?
Kids have always been kids, and the analyzing and prosecuting of them for being that is more of a commentary on how irrational and hysterical this country has become in the last couple of decades.
I will readily agree that any young person who uses a nude picture of a peer for intimidation purposes should be held responsible, and, if necessary, charged.
But inventing young people into being "criminals" for simply taking photos of each other, in EVERY case, is an example of hysterical thinking on the part of the adults. The kids deserve better. They deserve rationality.
A Thought | 6:18 p.m. March 8, 2008
We live in an era where technology (cell phones with little cameras) enables
this sort of sharing between teenagers who are exploring their sexuality in a
natural way. We also live in an age where technology in the form of birth
control and protection from sexually transmitted diseases has come a long way.
Your children are learning all about these technologies and are learning to
exploit them just as you learned to exploit the technologies of your day (you
know, smoke signals, pony express...).
Seriously, perhaps your prudish moral absolutes are no longer effective or persuasive. Perhaps "pornography" isn't the plague everyone seems to think it is. Perhaps the next generation will be just fine with looser moral standards than those you grew up with. After all, who says your generation is the pinnacle of human morality and development? Perhaps there is a better way of life and the next generation will find it while the prudes will march goose-step toward obsolescence?
Seriously, perhaps your prudish moral absolutes are no longer effective or persuasive. Perhaps "pornography" isn't the plague everyone seems to think it is. Perhaps the next generation will be just fine with looser moral standards than those you grew up with. After all, who says your generation is the pinnacle of human morality and development? Perhaps there is a better way of life and the next generation will find it while the prudes will march goose-step toward obsolescence?
TO: Simple | 6:22 p.m. March 8, 2008
EXACTLY RIGHT! Its good to see a parent who knows what they are doing. I think
the main problem is parents who dont know how to use the updated electronics.
1. learn how to check the history on your internet...do it often.
2. if your child needs a cell phone, get them a basic cell phone. Why would they need to take pictures anyways?! that kind of technology in a childs hands are sure to be misused.
Those are just a couple of things that would help.
Parents should just teach their children better...this country is falling apart, along with the family. it is sad to see it happen, i hope i am a better parent than these people have been.
1. learn how to check the history on your internet...do it often.
2. if your child needs a cell phone, get them a basic cell phone. Why would they need to take pictures anyways?! that kind of technology in a childs hands are sure to be misused.
Those are just a couple of things that would help.
Parents should just teach their children better...this country is falling apart, along with the family. it is sad to see it happen, i hope i am a better parent than these people have been.
Middle Ground | 11:28 p.m. March 8, 2008
It seems far too many are on polar opposites on this issue. There seems to be
no middle ground, but there should be. Does the police/law need to give
criminal records to naive kids, persecuting them to the fullest extent of the
law? Obviously, no. But at the same token, is this a "harmless--kids will
be kids" issue? Definitely not. Most people--contrary to what some are
claiming--do not engage in this type of behavior. We simply live in a complex
world, and we simply have not caught up to the technologies and capabilities
that are available. This issue definitely needs to be addressed, and hopefully
improvements will be made to curtail this disgusting practice. Simply put, we
vastly underestimate this internet and cell phone-era and what it is capable of.
Incredible things, for both good and bad. Just because there are so many
benefits that come from these inventions, does not mean we don't need to do
whatever is necessary to eliminate the terrible aspects of it.
A story with legs | 12:33 a.m. March 9, 2008
I find it amazing, and a little sad, that such a story as this would still be
drawing so many comments 2 full days after the story was published. Even more
sad is that most of the people posting haven't got a clue. The kids
involved in this incident, and all young men and women, need parents who love
them without coddling them, who teach and guide rather than dictate and punish.
They need a community that treats them the same way, not a bunch of irrational,
chest-thumping bullies who have conveniently forgotten some of the things they
did when they were teenagers. Technology changes, hormones and curiosity
don't.
Another Thought | 9:23 a.m. March 9, 2008
"But at the same token"???
Even your cliches are mixed-metaphor-cliche!
Middle ground compromises only create muddled solutions. We need new ways of thinking instead of compromising with old, outdated ways of thinking.
Even your cliches are mixed-metaphor-cliche!
Middle ground compromises only create muddled solutions. We need new ways of thinking instead of compromising with old, outdated ways of thinking.
Leesa | 10:53 a.m. March 10, 2008
Um, don't they manufacture cell phones that *don't* have cameras?!
There are options. Personally, my kids are getting Fireflys until they leave for
college. They can whine all they want, but cell phones are not a natural born
right.
More common than you think | 10:29 p.m. March 10, 2008
I actually personally know some of the kids that we're busted. They were
just unlucky to get caught. I'm a senior in high school and can think of
more than 10 instances where this has happened with people I know. It happens
ALL THE TIME. I'm not saying what they did is okay, but it's not like
this act is going on in only one place. I can guarantee it has happened at
EVERY SINGLE high school in Utah. To the people saying take cell phones out of
school, this doesn't take place in school. The kids don't go in the
bathrooms and take it, then send it to them during class. I think now that this
issue has recieved state publicity, it won't happen as much. I don't
really see the difference between this, and kids under 18 having sex. They are
both minors looking at each other nude. It might not be a hard copy but it
still is the same concept. Heck, we should just make sex under 18 illegal.
sean | 12:06 a.m. March 11, 2008
I'm surprised that they are surprised by this.
This has been happening for a while.
This has been happening for a while.
Ham Radio Man | 3:01 a.m. March 11, 2008
Kids don't need cell phones. As a matter of fact, MOST PEOPLE don't
need cell phones. Look what we get. Dangerous driving. People killed by
teenagers texting while they drive. How much of this communication is truly
IMPORTANT? Maybe 2% .
It was Ham Radio operators at Motorola that created cell phones and I wonder if they regret inventing them. Cell phones can be a godsend for some people but they are mostly a nuisance. I had one for a previous job but am happy to be without one now. You might say "But what if you have an emergency?" Well everybody and his dog has a cell phone so I think I'm covered.
I remember when people said "Hi" as you passed them on the street. Now they look at the ground with their cell pressed to their ear immersed in inane chatter.
Ham Radio operators know those radio waves can be dangerous. It may take many years before we know if cell phones might be just like cigarettes were in the 1950s. I'm not sure it's healthy to microwave your brain for hours on end.
It was Ham Radio operators at Motorola that created cell phones and I wonder if they regret inventing them. Cell phones can be a godsend for some people but they are mostly a nuisance. I had one for a previous job but am happy to be without one now. You might say "But what if you have an emergency?" Well everybody and his dog has a cell phone so I think I'm covered.
I remember when people said "Hi" as you passed them on the street. Now they look at the ground with their cell pressed to their ear immersed in inane chatter.
Ham Radio operators know those radio waves can be dangerous. It may take many years before we know if cell phones might be just like cigarettes were in the 1950s. I'm not sure it's healthy to microwave your brain for hours on end.
Fantastic | 4:30 p.m. March 11, 2008
LETS GIVE ALL THOSE CURIOUS YOUTH A CRIMINAL RECORD AND EXTORT MONEY FROM THEIR
PARENTS!
MORMON JUSTICE!
MORMON JUSTICE!
my 2 cents... | 12:53 a.m. March 12, 2008
Some postings have talked about what they did as kids; looked at playboys, etc.
Curiousity exists as a teenager and as an adult. Natural desires exist. But, carelessly experimenting with such things can lead to pain and damage.
What is being overlooked is that it isn't some "stranger" posing in playboy that is being viewed. It is some 13 year old girl or boy sending explicit photos of themselves to their acquaintences. That is VERY MUCH different than the experimenting that you did with your playboy!
I ponder what the poor kids in 2050 are going to be dealing with!!!
While at a youth fireside I couldn't believe the following had to be said...but it did!
"everyone please turn off your cell phones"
Many kids didn't and used texting throughout the speakers message. Problem? I say yes.
It isn't the fault of the children. It is the parents! Kids will take whatever they can and will get away with whatever they can! Give guidelines and be involved in your kids lives so you would know of such things!!! Prosecute the parents.
I only allow my teenagers 10 minutes and 2 texts a day. And I check. Shame on me.
Curiousity exists as a teenager and as an adult. Natural desires exist. But, carelessly experimenting with such things can lead to pain and damage.
What is being overlooked is that it isn't some "stranger" posing in playboy that is being viewed. It is some 13 year old girl or boy sending explicit photos of themselves to their acquaintences. That is VERY MUCH different than the experimenting that you did with your playboy!
I ponder what the poor kids in 2050 are going to be dealing with!!!
While at a youth fireside I couldn't believe the following had to be said...but it did!
"everyone please turn off your cell phones"
Many kids didn't and used texting throughout the speakers message. Problem? I say yes.
It isn't the fault of the children. It is the parents! Kids will take whatever they can and will get away with whatever they can! Give guidelines and be involved in your kids lives so you would know of such things!!! Prosecute the parents.
I only allow my teenagers 10 minutes and 2 texts a day. And I check. Shame on me.
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Now, somebody needs to slap their parents to wake them up and so they can start teaching their kids the value of morals and appropriate behavior.
Perhaps the real perverts are those advocating (in this blog) that what these kids were doing wasn't all that bad and shouldn't be punished. Maybe even a few of those advocates were the predators that wish they got their hands on those pictures.