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cheeseman | 1:02 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
I really respect black students at BYU and in the Church in general. It would
be very difficult for me as a Caucasian to join a church that had previously
limited my ability to advance or lead due to my race. I sincerely believe that
the whole Priesthood issue was a mistake by man that somehow was perpetuated
until 1978. President David O McKay, not known as the most staunch supporter of
civil rights, always referred to it as a policy rather than doctrine. It will
definitely be one of the first questions I ask in the next life.
John B Sheffield | 1:58 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
If you get the opportunity to see "Nobody Knows: the Untold Story of Black
Mormons" please don't miss it! - Margaret Blair Young and Darius Gray
have been so Blessed and they deliver such a strong message. It is worth also
checking out Margaret's DVD "Jane Manning James"
I first found out about Jane Manning James in the superb book trilogy titled "Standing on The Promises" written by Margaret and Darius and I came to feel as if I new Jane personally and shared her journey with her.
I first found out about Jane Manning James in the superb book trilogy titled "Standing on The Promises" written by Margaret and Darius and I came to feel as if I new Jane personally and shared her journey with her.
deronda | 2:00 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Nevertheless, I was taught in seminary in the 1960's that indeed blacks
were neutral in the war in heaven. And I remember the daughter of the stake
president say a girl would lose her salvation if she married a black man. I
even remember the seminary teacher repeat the legend that Dinah Shore had a
black baby.
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Jimbo | 2:20 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Wow, this is a very well written and very informative article. Bring on the
refreshments!
Being a "minority" myself I very much choose not to be offended by the ignorance some people show. Off handed comments are just that, and well written articles like this will only help more people see things from a different perspective and smooth over the awkwardness people may have with another race. Kudo's to BYU!
Being a "minority" myself I very much choose not to be offended by the ignorance some people show. Off handed comments are just that, and well written articles like this will only help more people see things from a different perspective and smooth over the awkwardness people may have with another race. Kudo's to BYU!
Inexcusable | 3:30 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
I see this kind of racial presence in my own family (father, cousins) and find
it completely unfitting for people who want to be known as Christians. If we
want tolerance, we need to be tolerant. Kudos to these good people who are
willing to forgive us for being so ignorant. I agree there should be a focus on
this in General Conference as well as the Ensign.
I find it depressing that so many years after 1978 we still have so few African American converts and the weird myths still persist (eg. Spirit World fence sitters).
BYU should also do far more to bring in students with some diversity. They do next to nothing to bring in multi-ethnic and foreign students. No progress since I was there 25 years ago!!!
I find it depressing that so many years after 1978 we still have so few African American converts and the weird myths still persist (eg. Spirit World fence sitters).
BYU should also do far more to bring in students with some diversity. They do next to nothing to bring in multi-ethnic and foreign students. No progress since I was there 25 years ago!!!
minority | 5:17 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
We live outside of Utah and my children are in a minority group as members of
the LDS church. My daughter who is a senior right now comes home daily with
stories of comments about her religion that are unkind. She can choose to be
upset or choose not to be offended. I honestly believe that most people are not
trying to offend - people just make comments incorrectly when they don't
understand something.
The Faith of our Fathers | 5:20 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
I think President Hinckley said it well, "Racial strife still raises its
ugly head, even among church members. There are reports of racial slurs and
denigrating remarks among us. This is unacceptable. I remind you that no man who
makes disparaging remarks concerning those of another race can consider himself
a true disciple of Christ."
Racial strife is an ugly thing as opposed to "black babies" even though Senator Chris Buttars seems to think otherwise. I'm very glad that this article has been published and I hope that more people will begin to see racism as wrong. I agree with Hinckley and I believe that Chris Buttars can't "consider himself a true disciple of Christ" because of his "disparaging remarks" about "black babies" being ugly. My heart goes out to black members of the Church and to these BYU students. You are all welcome in the Church even if Utah is struggling with its racist tendencies. Such racism is frowned on in the Church especially by members outside of Utah.
Whenever you hear folklore or other racist comments please dismiss them and know that Heavenly Father loves you and those people who are racist will receive their just rewards.
Racial strife is an ugly thing as opposed to "black babies" even though Senator Chris Buttars seems to think otherwise. I'm very glad that this article has been published and I hope that more people will begin to see racism as wrong. I agree with Hinckley and I believe that Chris Buttars can't "consider himself a true disciple of Christ" because of his "disparaging remarks" about "black babies" being ugly. My heart goes out to black members of the Church and to these BYU students. You are all welcome in the Church even if Utah is struggling with its racist tendencies. Such racism is frowned on in the Church especially by members outside of Utah.
Whenever you hear folklore or other racist comments please dismiss them and know that Heavenly Father loves you and those people who are racist will receive their just rewards.
Come on to the South | 5:25 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Living in the south, you get to see many members of the church who are of
African American Descent. They as well with every other race in the church are
very much needed in our wards and branches and their testimonies are amazingly
strong.
We are all brothers and sisters in the Gospel. Everyday we see people of every ethnic group so it is not a shock of any kind to see any race serving in different capacities in the church here.
We are all brothers and sisters in the Gospel. Everyday we see people of every ethnic group so it is not a shock of any kind to see any race serving in different capacities in the church here.
Civil Rights | 6:09 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
We have laws on Civil Rights
Utah seems to ignore these facts
Utah seems to ignore these facts
cheesy, man 1:02 am. | 6:08 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
What a smug, cheap shot you take, at President McKay, from the safety of
anonymity. If you are honest, show us the documentation, in context(!), and in
less than 200 words so it fits here.
You just contributed to the "Anti" nonsense that LDS believe modern prophets know all, see all, tell all, have all the answers. They don't, and don't claim to.
Come to the Genesis Group, 1st Sunday every month, 7pm, and meet a few hundred black and mixed and white LDS with testimonies and understanding. We unite to face the world that tells us to focus on the differences and the wrongs by God's other children.
No one can point this out in black and white (get it?) but I believe it's pretty obvious that a loving Father makes our race part of the test we came here to get, just like differences of wealth or poverty, health, sickness, family, etc are part of the test.
You just contributed to the "Anti" nonsense that LDS believe modern prophets know all, see all, tell all, have all the answers. They don't, and don't claim to.
Come to the Genesis Group, 1st Sunday every month, 7pm, and meet a few hundred black and mixed and white LDS with testimonies and understanding. We unite to face the world that tells us to focus on the differences and the wrongs by God's other children.
No one can point this out in black and white (get it?) but I believe it's pretty obvious that a loving Father makes our race part of the test we came here to get, just like differences of wealth or poverty, health, sickness, family, etc are part of the test.
Not Black | 6:30 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
I understand and have experienced the same ignorant comments that others make. I
too understand that body language can speak more than words. I was raised in
California so I also understand the meaning of diversity.
Some questions that have been asked of me are: How long did it take for you to learn English? How do you like America? Once I was asked if I was a refugee here. When I said no, they asked, "What are you doing in America?" I smiled and replied, let me ask my parents.
Having said this, I experienced more virile prejudicial comments growing up in California. Corbit said it best that there are racial stereotypes everywhere, as much as it annoys me-- most I've met here are not full of hate as other places I've lived in. I have more stories about being a "minority" and I've also learned to laugh at the experience more than anything because as I said- Utah is not as uncomfortable as other places I've lived in.
Some questions that have been asked of me are: How long did it take for you to learn English? How do you like America? Once I was asked if I was a refugee here. When I said no, they asked, "What are you doing in America?" I smiled and replied, let me ask my parents.
Having said this, I experienced more virile prejudicial comments growing up in California. Corbit said it best that there are racial stereotypes everywhere, as much as it annoys me-- most I've met here are not full of hate as other places I've lived in. I have more stories about being a "minority" and I've also learned to laugh at the experience more than anything because as I said- Utah is not as uncomfortable as other places I've lived in.
Brent | 6:32 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Just walk through any Deseret Book store and look for a postcard, picture, or
figurine that portrays a non-white person. If you find one, you should try the
lottery. They do not exist. And don't even dare look for a Black angel.
Anonymous | 6:49 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
I am glad the Des. News published this article. Here's what I hope Church
leaders would address at some point:
1. Why the Church refused to endorse the civil rights movement in the '60s. ET Benson likened the movement to communism (but Hugh B. Brown steadfastly opposed him!).
2. Church leader after church leader, from Brigham Young to at least George Albert Smith (maybe later), said blacks were of the "seed of cain." The 2nd Manifesto doesn't repudiate that doctrine. Would a leader have the courage to step up and say that Young and the others were absolutely wrong? Please!
3. Joseph Smith ordained blacks to the priesthood, but his successors changed the policy. I would like to see church leaders, in conference, grapple with this history. Not just say "let's be tolertant" (which we should), but explain to the church body how Smith's policy had been changed over time. And yes, explain to the church that it was a policy.
4. Brigham Young explained that slavery was inspired by God and John Taylor said that blacks were only fit to be servants to white people. I'd like to see church leaders explain this. In short, educated us!
1. Why the Church refused to endorse the civil rights movement in the '60s. ET Benson likened the movement to communism (but Hugh B. Brown steadfastly opposed him!).
2. Church leader after church leader, from Brigham Young to at least George Albert Smith (maybe later), said blacks were of the "seed of cain." The 2nd Manifesto doesn't repudiate that doctrine. Would a leader have the courage to step up and say that Young and the others were absolutely wrong? Please!
3. Joseph Smith ordained blacks to the priesthood, but his successors changed the policy. I would like to see church leaders, in conference, grapple with this history. Not just say "let's be tolertant" (which we should), but explain to the church body how Smith's policy had been changed over time. And yes, explain to the church that it was a policy.
4. Brigham Young explained that slavery was inspired by God and John Taylor said that blacks were only fit to be servants to white people. I'd like to see church leaders explain this. In short, educated us!
white | 6:47 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
I is white and when I came to this country/state I was asked if I had to learn
English, the country I came from was more advanced than Utah. In Utah it is not
always color that is their problem it is you are not a native Utahn - your
family stock (pioneers somewhere else) were not the poor me persecuted innocent
Mormon pioneer stock. Poor me seems the way of life in todays world. Ignore,
the ignorant ones and move on and make the most of your life and put color
aside. You have red blood like any other sould on earth so you are human and
also have American pioneer blood in you.
bartonjabber | 7:02 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Ah, so much anger and hatred in these remarks. I am terrified that Utah is
filled with people who live to lash out and judge.
How sad that people are actually arguing over the past, the present, black, white, righteousness, and sin.
I hope the majority of people in Utah are nicer than those who rant in these comment blogs because over the past year most of what I read is contention and rude anger. Although, I do not believe everyone who write is ranting.
Every time I think of racism or ignorance or victim or vice, I remember that I am not God, I do not know everything, and I have a duty to act as I should. It helps me have compassion for the people I do not understand and the history I cannot change.
How sad that people are actually arguing over the past, the present, black, white, righteousness, and sin.
I hope the majority of people in Utah are nicer than those who rant in these comment blogs because over the past year most of what I read is contention and rude anger. Although, I do not believe everyone who write is ranting.
Every time I think of racism or ignorance or victim or vice, I remember that I am not God, I do not know everything, and I have a duty to act as I should. It helps me have compassion for the people I do not understand and the history I cannot change.
cheeseman | 7:15 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
To cheesy man, I like your name. Not sure if you do much reading but take a
gander at DAvid O McKay's biography. Did I say he was racist? Did I say
he hates blacks? I said he was not the most staunch supporter of civil rights,
which he was not. He leaned toward Ezra Taft Benson's views, who said the
civil rights movements was supported by the Communists, which was wrong of
course. You totally miss my point - and I totally agree with you that prophets
are men and therefore imperfect. When I say President McKay referred to it as a
policy rather than doctrine, I am saying he was acknowledging even way back in
the 50s and 60s that it may be more of a man-made thing than anything else. I
would love to come down to Genesis Group and meet you all but I live in NYC,
where low and behold we actually have some LDS black folks too. And I ask of
you, head to a bookstore, or even a library, start reading and learn. It's
a powerful thing and may keep you from being so aggressive in calling out others
behind the internet's anonymity.
Kimberly | 7:21 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
I can't believe this...
I don't think anyone cried racism in this article in the sense that Al Sharpton cries racism about every little thing, and most black people in the Church don't cry racism like that either. If they believe the Church is true, "racism" is not the issue.
However, that does not mean tension in regards to race is NOT a problem. And it's not something that can be pinpointed by a particular law or regulation in the government, but it just has to do with some of the culture that's been instilled.
I am black. I am LDS. I pretty much grew up in the Church, since my mom got baptized when I was 2 and my dad a little bit later (but he's in the Bishopric now). In my hometown, 25% of blacks own a home, and my family is in the 25%; my dad's a pharmacist, Mom's a nurse, ergo, most of the people in our neighborhood are white. My brother and I both took piano lessons, I took ballet, we were in the gifted program in school, we LOVED seminary (even at 6AM) and church--in short, not what the typical Black Kinstonian would do.
I don't think anyone cried racism in this article in the sense that Al Sharpton cries racism about every little thing, and most black people in the Church don't cry racism like that either. If they believe the Church is true, "racism" is not the issue.
However, that does not mean tension in regards to race is NOT a problem. And it's not something that can be pinpointed by a particular law or regulation in the government, but it just has to do with some of the culture that's been instilled.
I am black. I am LDS. I pretty much grew up in the Church, since my mom got baptized when I was 2 and my dad a little bit later (but he's in the Bishopric now). In my hometown, 25% of blacks own a home, and my family is in the 25%; my dad's a pharmacist, Mom's a nurse, ergo, most of the people in our neighborhood are white. My brother and I both took piano lessons, I took ballet, we were in the gifted program in school, we LOVED seminary (even at 6AM) and church--in short, not what the typical Black Kinstonian would do.
BYU can be a burden to all | 7:24 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Not denying that being black is an additional burden, but being a student at BYU
period is difficult. Go to any other school and going to church is an
opportunity you may avail yourself of. Go to BYU and not going to church is a
good way to get expelled from school. Under such conditions church ceases to be
an opportunity and quickly becomes a burden.
Kimberly | 7:31 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
I wasn't the girl that only hung out with black people in school; I had
mostly white friends, and growing up I didn't really know the difference...
but boy did it hit me hard. Black people didn't accept me, because I was
too "white", but if I went to a church activity, people gave me the
weirdest looks... and I swear if there were 151 boys and 150 girls at a dance, I
would *guaranteed* be the girl that was never asked to dance. We still hear
garbage about blacks in the preexistence, Harold B. Lee quotes from back in the
day, and what Church publication has *young* black couples on it, or even
interracial ones? Not many... People, at least here, always seem to make the
assumption that I'm a convert, or that I'm so different that I
wouldn't want to be around the "typical" Mormon.
It's kind of hard to feel like you're too white for the world, and too black for the Church. As a result, I hated being black growing up, because it seemed like my race was the only thing preventing me from who I wanted to be.
It's kind of hard to feel like you're too white for the world, and too black for the Church. As a result, I hated being black growing up, because it seemed like my race was the only thing preventing me from who I wanted to be.
asian man | 7:31 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
For those who are questioning whether it really exists, let me tell you in my
own experience it is not common but it happens. I had a disagreement once with
a shop owner over some fees he tried add to my order. We eventually exchanged
some harsh words, and suddenly the guy was yelling some racist BS. Those are
the times you see how people really feel, and it makes you wonder how many
others are out there who don't show it but do feel it. It can be scary.
But, my experience at BYU was awesome. And I have to strongly disagree that BYU
does not recruit minorities. BYU probably does so more than any other
university out there, offering scholarships and all kinds of support to get you
to come. If you haven't discovered the multicultural office, please do.
The people are great and will help you through anything. I don't think
whites get this special treatment so we should stop complaining about BYU
because they are doing their part to make the world fair.
Anonymous | 7:31 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
When people look for racism they will always find it, because they see what they
want see.
Stan Zielinski | 7:34 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Until the leaders of the Mormon church stand up in General Conference and
clearly debunk the bogus racist myths perpetuated by their predecessors and
clearly repudiate the extremely racist past statements issued by people who were
supposed to be representing Jesus Christ, (which that still stand, BTW) and seek
forgiveness and healing, the myths will continue to be perpetuated by
indoctrinating generation after generation with the same racist myths behind
closed doors. As a former Mormon teacher, I know that these offensive racist
myths are still privately believed, even by the next generation of Mormons. They
know how offensive, and politically incorrect it is to repeat these myths in
public so they keep them private, but they are still a part of the MOrmon world
view and will be so until the MOrmon leadership takes real measures to debunk
those persistently perpetuated myths.
As long as Mormon scriptures still contain extremely racist passages, there is no exorcising the systemic racism that has been institutionalized over the entire history of Mormonism and Mormonism will still remain officially, a racist institution, which is the main reason my conscience would not allow me to remain a member, even though I'm not black.
As long as Mormon scriptures still contain extremely racist passages, there is no exorcising the systemic racism that has been institutionalized over the entire history of Mormonism and Mormonism will still remain officially, a racist institution, which is the main reason my conscience would not allow me to remain a member, even though I'm not black.
black BYU alumnus | 7:36 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
BYU faculty and staff, my nine white roommates, and others treated me with the
utmost respect. I have fond memories of the recognition of Black History month
at BYU and am glad that tradition continues. No need for criticism--only
encouragement, growth, understanding and correct doctrine on all sides.
Kimberly | 7:32 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
In Utah, there aren't many black people, and it's cool that maybe
people are interested in getting to know me, but I kind of don't want to be
the token black girl. I don't want people touching my hair, expecting me
to do the Harlem Shake at a church dance, blasting hip-hop when I walk by (all
of which have happened, in a church setting!). I think that is what the article
means by ignorance, the ignorance that comes from just not understanding... and
that sort is pretty forgivable, just kind of annoying after a while.
I think that black students go to BYU for the same reasons that white students, Asian students, whatever kind of students do--they want to learn, they want to increase their testimonies, and maybe about 80% want to get married at 17. :) I don't think that they should leave just because of people's lack of understanding, but I think that talking about it does help, because then people can understand their perspective on things. It isn't meant to make people mad, or make people think we're repinning slavery on folks--it's just to clear the air on some things!
I think that black students go to BYU for the same reasons that white students, Asian students, whatever kind of students do--they want to learn, they want to increase their testimonies, and maybe about 80% want to get married at 17. :) I don't think that they should leave just because of people's lack of understanding, but I think that talking about it does help, because then people can understand their perspective on things. It isn't meant to make people mad, or make people think we're repinning slavery on folks--it's just to clear the air on some things!
to Karen Kelnhofer Eddy | 4:09 a | 7:39 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
you say "Trash. This article is trash.
BYU students, Utahans, and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints live the most high standards of any peoples. We love one another".
Thanks for telling us you "love one another". It certainly isn't too apparent from your numerious posts.
BYU students, Utahans, and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints live the most high standards of any peoples. We love one another".
Thanks for telling us you "love one another". It certainly isn't too apparent from your numerious posts.
Katie Langston | 7:42 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
"We keep hearing all this hearsay of racisim but no one actually provides
any real proof or evidence."
Anonymous...here you go...
"It is getting so OLD to hear blacks complain about how hard their life is - GIVE ME A BREAK"
"I never new the blacks were so darn perfect."
"...their testimonies are amazingly strong."
"And we are not the cause -- you are to blame."
"Some blame must fall on the blacks for intentionally distancing themselves from whites in language and behavior and in what they choose as important culturally."
"The whites bowed in shame and now little illegal immigration sins have escallated to ID theft, robbing, murdering, and voting illegally."
And the thread is still young. What you see in the comments I've highlighted are stereotypes, hostility, ignorance, and anger directed toward a group of people distinguished only by the color of their skin. That's racism.
Unfortunately, most people don't have the self-honesty to recognize their own prejudice. Racism an ugly thing to admit to yourself. But one glance at comments like these and you realize it's still alive and well.
Anonymous...here you go...
"It is getting so OLD to hear blacks complain about how hard their life is - GIVE ME A BREAK"
"I never new the blacks were so darn perfect."
"...their testimonies are amazingly strong."
"And we are not the cause -- you are to blame."
"Some blame must fall on the blacks for intentionally distancing themselves from whites in language and behavior and in what they choose as important culturally."
"The whites bowed in shame and now little illegal immigration sins have escallated to ID theft, robbing, murdering, and voting illegally."
And the thread is still young. What you see in the comments I've highlighted are stereotypes, hostility, ignorance, and anger directed toward a group of people distinguished only by the color of their skin. That's racism.
Unfortunately, most people don't have the self-honesty to recognize their own prejudice. Racism an ugly thing to admit to yourself. But one glance at comments like these and you realize it's still alive and well.
Kimberly | 7:40 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
One of my biggest worries in the Church is that I won't get married until
later in life, just because black women really aren't on the radar for most
folks in the Church. I know that this doesn't exactly matter once you find
the right one, but it kind of does mean you miss out on dating... Perhaps
it's different in Utah because everyone dates for sport, I don't
know.
If people didn't get mad when concerns that may be a little bit difficult to talk about were raised, we could really come closer to being united as a church. I know that most people in the Church love one another, but I also think there could be a bit more understanding.
The bottom line is, I don't want anyone to treat me differently (in a overtly good or bad way) because of my race, but for now I *must* be different so that people can see what is wrong. Some of the generalizations some of you have made in your comments are extremely dangerous, like how *all* blacks distance themselves in language/behavior...totally untrue! it's assumptions like this that build walls where they have no place.
If people didn't get mad when concerns that may be a little bit difficult to talk about were raised, we could really come closer to being united as a church. I know that most people in the Church love one another, but I also think there could be a bit more understanding.
The bottom line is, I don't want anyone to treat me differently (in a overtly good or bad way) because of my race, but for now I *must* be different so that people can see what is wrong. Some of the generalizations some of you have made in your comments are extremely dangerous, like how *all* blacks distance themselves in language/behavior...totally untrue! it's assumptions like this that build walls where they have no place.
Re:Anonymous 2 | 7:48 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Give me a freakin break. You might want to lay off the "Godmakers"
movie a little there pal. Brigham Young never said that (unless of course you
ask a former member who has be disenfrahchised and is looking for some reason to
explain their bitterness with the church). Now- does racism exist in the church?
Sure. Maybe even as much as other churches. Is the greatest majority of it
intentional? I don't think so. I suppose I must be in the enviable position
of just seeing a person and not a skin color with the African Americans
I've known.
Panama | 7:56 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
I served a mission in Panama where the whole entire concept (as with much of
Central and South America) of any politically correct ambience is absent.
We're so touchy here in the U.S. sometimes it's just dumb - fat,
skinny, white, REALLY white, black, blind, handicapped, extra ordinary wart
syndrome, one ear bigger than the other whatever skin deep shallow but honest
observation that could be made - We had black kids from Haiti in one of our
wards and they emitted a certain happiness that I think comes from a lack of any
'I'm being discriminated against because I'm _________'
attitude. My first companion was a descendant of the slaves who had been sent
at first attempts to build the Panama Canal. I'm a descendant of
persecuted Mormon pioneers who had to cross the nation to build the Zion we have
today. Tyranny in the past doesn't need to hold our futures hostage. We
can help people understand us and do better at that by reaching out and being
friendly - dispelling stereotypes - we all live with it. Sometimes there's
reverse bias and we just need to see everyone in infinite worth eyes.
Observation | 7:52 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Hmm. Seems that many of the comments here prove out the point of the article.
Some Utahns and LDS church members don't get out much so have ignorant
prejudices against others. The lack of self awareness resulting in the inability
to have empathy is pretty clear. I grew up in Provo, and still love the place
and return often, but 20 years in other places have certainly challenged some of
the social views I once ignorantly held.
Kudos to those quoted in the article who choose not to take offense.
Kudos to those quoted in the article who choose not to take offense.
Anonymous | 8:03 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
We are all brothers and sisters! Period!
Trent | 8:13 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Oh, this is classic. LDS Church President Gordon B. Hinckley speaking on racial
intolerance in a priesthood session during the April 2006 general conference:
"Racial strife still raises its ugly head, even among church members. There are reports of racial slurs and DENIGRATING remarks among us. This is unacceptable. I remind you that no man who makes disparaging remarks concerning those of another race can consider himself a true disciple of Christ."
Denigrate comes from the Latin, pp. of denigrare "to blacken" [de- "completely" + nigr- "black". In other words, "to make completely black"].
The racism is built into our language! That is what is offensive.
And the racism is built into the fabric of the LDS Church because of DOCTRINAL TEACHINGS throughout its history, as well as its OFFICIAL DOCTRINAL POSITION prior to 1978 that forbade the priesthood to "descendants of Cane."
There is no "whitewashing" this problem in the LDS Church, no matter how many people of color the Church tries to hire as spokespersons, or how much "apologetics" the Church leaders and scholars attempt.
The facts speak for themselves: The Church was officially racist for over a century. You don't just ignore that and smile.
"Racial strife still raises its ugly head, even among church members. There are reports of racial slurs and DENIGRATING remarks among us. This is unacceptable. I remind you that no man who makes disparaging remarks concerning those of another race can consider himself a true disciple of Christ."
Denigrate comes from the Latin, pp. of denigrare "to blacken" [de- "completely" + nigr- "black". In other words, "to make completely black"].
The racism is built into our language! That is what is offensive.
And the racism is built into the fabric of the LDS Church because of DOCTRINAL TEACHINGS throughout its history, as well as its OFFICIAL DOCTRINAL POSITION prior to 1978 that forbade the priesthood to "descendants of Cane."
There is no "whitewashing" this problem in the LDS Church, no matter how many people of color the Church tries to hire as spokespersons, or how much "apologetics" the Church leaders and scholars attempt.
The facts speak for themselves: The Church was officially racist for over a century. You don't just ignore that and smile.
Artierome | 8:13 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
A long time ago I found that being Mexican-American at BYU made me rather
unique. I was even asked by one student to speak to his government class about
the "struggle." I spoke of first-hand experiences with bigotry but
finally disappointed him by explaining that after joining the LDS Church I was
no longer a stranger or foreigner -- and ethnicity just didn't matter
anymore. Maybe it would help if more people became converted.
Wake Up Karen | 8:18 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
C'mon Karen. Look at the real world around you. Senator Buttars is a
perfect example of how we really are.
This was a great article. Should be a wake-up call. I rememebr President Hinckley's remarks and they should be a reminder to us all.
This was a great article. Should be a wake-up call. I rememebr President Hinckley's remarks and they should be a reminder to us all.
JenM | 8:28 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Unless you are a minority, and in this case black, you cannot have a valid
opinion of what it is like to be such a small minority. I get really tired of
whites saying that minority groups are always whining about discrimination.
Unless you've walked in their shoes, which will never happen, do not judge.
By the way, this article was far from whining. I thought it was very positive
overall.
Jim in GA | 8:29 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Morgan freeman had it right. When asked when racism would end, his reply was,
"When you stop talking about it."
In my opinion, the media are the worst offenders when they are quick to point out someone is the first black mayor, sports coach, award recipient,etc. I wish they would recognize people as equal where race is concerned.
In my opinion, the media are the worst offenders when they are quick to point out someone is the first black mayor, sports coach, award recipient,etc. I wish they would recognize people as equal where race is concerned.
2 Nephi 26:33 | 8:39 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
33 For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is
good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the
children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his
goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and
free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto
God, both Jew and Gentile.
UTAH IS VERY RACIST | 8:42 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Utah is a very racist place to live. You can tell from these comments that
there are lot of racist people here. You should be ashamed that you dislike
people different races so much. Black people are mistreated today, look at the
statistics. In Utah if you even have a black name you are twice as likely not
to get called for an interview when you apply for the job even if you are more
qualified than the white name. Pull up any other statistic you can find about
blacks and whites in the US and you will see that black people are still
mistreated.
LVIS | 8:43 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Well, here's what I get from the article--I've got to be very careful
around blacks (african-americans?)because anything I say may be construed to be
insensitive, racist, intolerant, ignorant,or whatever. Doesn't matter that
there was no intent in anything I may have said. I'll just be another white
boy who doesn't get it. Yeah, us white boys can't dance, can't
play basketball, don't know nuthin 'bout being cool, etc. Who's
really the racist? Look--give me a chance to get to know you (and you me)
without my feeling like I have walk on eggshells with everything I say.
Just glad to be brown | 8:45 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Every time the race issue comes up, I relish in the fact that i am neither black
or white. I am down with being brown. The fact is that slaves were made of many
races and slavers the same. There are bigots in Utah just as there are in
Michigan. But there are good people everywhere. Racial tension will not die off
with our parents and grandparents as long as individuals who seek power keep
using this card.
interested | 8:46 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
I have touched people's hair and they weren't black. Their hair was
exceptionally beautiful. I have asked people about their background because I
was interested. I served a mission in England and tried to find out as much as I
could about their customs and beliefs, because I was interested. I would
probably ask someone from another country about their background because I am
interested in learning about other people. Please don't be offended because
people are interested. It is up to you to be offended or not.
Anonymous | 8:48 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
This sentence from the story: "Some black students said they wish the
school would recruit more blacks so they wouldn't be such a minority."
is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. High-caliber
universities--anywhere--are going to recruit top students no matter what their
race. Why should they recruit dumb kids just so there can be a bigger minority
population? I'm definitely not saying that minorities are dumb--quite the
opposite. But schools aren't going to recruit dumb white kids. Why should
they recruit anything but the best?
DudeMan | 8:52 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
I have lived in Utah and Idaho my whole life, and I've never heard the
comment that was mentioned about blacks "on the fence" in the
pre-existence. That's a totally new one to me. Where do people get these
things?
Anonymous | 8:53 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Panama: I agree. People is just too touchy but I do agree with the article.
Noone in south or central america would make any comment about your race,
everybody will help you feel welcome and be friends with you, while here you
would hear things like "do you speak mexican?". "No, I speak
spanish and you? do you speak british?". Whoever is crying that minorities
take things too personal is clearly a white. Whoever is a minority will tell you
there is bigotry here. Unfortunately.
Anonymous | 9:03 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
We truly do not understand the gospel if we think that race has anything to do
with our standing before god. It is merely a stumbling block for the ignorant
and uncharitable. We are all brothers and sisters indeed.
Thank you for this wonderful article, maybe it will help educate a remove this stumbing block.
Thank you for this wonderful article, maybe it will help educate a remove this stumbing block.
Wes | 9:08 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
I was interested in this article because I am adopting two children from Ghana.
I realize that I am going to have to prepare these children for real life. I
have concluded that real life consists of at least three types of offenders:
1) Those who don't mean any offense
2) Those who are uncomfortable with something new or different
3) Those who are mean and hurtful
Regardless of the offender catagory, there does not have to be an offense. I hope to teach my children to give people the benefit of the doubt. In that way be non-judgemental, but choose to not let people hurt them. If they can control themselves, they will be much happier.
1) Those who don't mean any offense
2) Those who are uncomfortable with something new or different
3) Those who are mean and hurtful
Regardless of the offender catagory, there does not have to be an offense. I hope to teach my children to give people the benefit of the doubt. In that way be non-judgemental, but choose to not let people hurt them. If they can control themselves, they will be much happier.
Kelvin Musanga | 9:10 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
I am student at BYU-Idaho and am Black. I live my life having embraced the
gospel in Zambia, Africa. My attitude is of an eternal nature.I know am a Child
of God. Race is just a social issue. Regardless of what people say about my skin
color, it matters less. It is what the Lord thinks of me as his child that
matters. Reading your comments, it seem many of you are mad because this article
is trying to educate us. Stand up be the person and be positive.Love you all.
To JenM | 9:10 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
When I was in high school in the south where religion is a BIG deal, I was the
only Mormon of 500 students. Trust me, I was a minority. Being a minority is not
always a race thing. So yes, people can have a valid opinion or know what it is
like to be the minority just because their skin is white. The intolerance of
people is not a color issue-it is an ignorance issue.
Light | 9:21 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Mormons are taught in there own scriptures that blacks are a condemned race.
This my friends is fact. Members of the LDS faith can sugarcoat it any way they
want, however the scriptures don't lie. Until the General authorities come
out and say Joseph Smith is 100% wrong for writing these things, there is
nothing else to talk about. Here are two of the scriptures in Moses that Joseph
Smith claims to have re-written for all of our benefit.
8 For behold, the Lord shall acurse the land with much heat, and the barrenness thereof shall go forth forever; and there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people. (moses 7:8)
22 And Enoch also beheld the residue of the people which were the sons of Adam; and they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it was the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not place among them. (moses 7:22)
When these teachings are still acknowledged then change will never completely happen. "God has no religion" Ghandi
8 For behold, the Lord shall acurse the land with much heat, and the barrenness thereof shall go forth forever; and there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people. (moses 7:8)
22 And Enoch also beheld the residue of the people which were the sons of Adam; and they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it was the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not place among them. (moses 7:22)
When these teachings are still acknowledged then change will never completely happen. "God has no religion" Ghandi
mom | 9:26 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
I have seen what may be called racism since we moved here. I have come to
understand that it is just naivety on the part of people who have not been
exposed to those who are different. Whether you are African american,
polynesian, asian, native american etc. There is often a misunderstanding of
who and what you are. I have also seen things change in the 15 years since we
moved here. People are learning to understand us as minorities and realize we
are not so different from them. It only causes problems to keep feeling bitter
about the past. Move on - we have.
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