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Despite Eagle Forum claim that issue is dead, Buttars criticism continues
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Moving On | 9:13 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
The fact that the NAACP set a trap for Buttars seems to go unnoticed. We all
need to move on- Buttars will run again and we'll see what West Jordan
thinks. I have a new opinion of the NAACP, though. They are out of control, and
completely nuts. That's what the definition of an embarrassment to Utah is
for me.
What words ARE we allowed to use?
What words ARE we allowed to use?
Anonymous | 9:21 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
"At least one individual was at the Capitol Wednesday to show support for
Buttars, wearing a pro-Buttars t-shirt.
Gayle Ruzicka, president of the Utah Eagle Forum, said Wednesday she's cancelled a planned rally to support Buttars because it's no longer needed."
LOL... It was canceled because Gayle Ruzicka is the only one supporting this chuckle head! She couldn't find anyone else to show up!
Gayle Ruzicka, president of the Utah Eagle Forum, said Wednesday she's cancelled a planned rally to support Buttars because it's no longer needed."
LOL... It was canceled because Gayle Ruzicka is the only one supporting this chuckle head! She couldn't find anyone else to show up!
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Oosik | 9:27 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Moving On,
How about using words not based on emotions.
"a dark ugly thing", Is that a way to speak about legislation? How about being clear concise. Try saying "this bill is poor legislation not in the best interest of the Citizens of Utah"?
Emotionally charged words are indicative of emotionally charged laws. The framers of the Constituion wanted to avoid that!
Thanks for listening
How about using words not based on emotions.
"a dark ugly thing", Is that a way to speak about legislation? How about being clear concise. Try saying "this bill is poor legislation not in the best interest of the Citizens of Utah"?
Emotionally charged words are indicative of emotionally charged laws. The framers of the Constituion wanted to avoid that!
Thanks for listening
More Whining | 9:28 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
The NAACP is over-reacting to absolutely nothing. Do they think they have a
license on the word black?? I can't see where the comment was racist in any
way. I for one am pretty sick of the constant whining of the NAACP. They major
in victimization, and unfortunately, some people are buying into it. Get over
yourselves. You're over the top with this silliness. There's no
conspiracy here. Just get on with your lives and let's get along.
To more whining | 10:04 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
My good friend just adopted a little African-American girl. I would like YOU to
look my friend in the face, repeat what Buttars said, and see how he responds.
Then maybe you'll find out (and in a rather painful, perhaps bloody way)
what you consider "absolutely nothing" means to some people.
Butters is an embarrassment | 10:05 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
There is no place for the kind of comment made by Butters in the public forum.
It's not his first and it won't be the last. He should not be doing it
on our dime. I don't care what he says in the privacy of his own home, I
don't care what he thinks, but in the state legislature he is speaking for
us whether he likes it or not. I am tired of his carelessness. He is no better
than Senator Craig from ID.
QUIT, QUIT, QUIT, QUIT!!!!
QUIT, QUIT, QUIT, QUIT!!!!
Problem Goes Both Ways | 10:18 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Lets talk about City Government (Rocky Anderson) stepping into State
Government(Legacy Highway). Now that was a mess that cost this state MILLIONS!
This issue is far from dead | 10:29 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
As a constituant of Buttars, I am completely embarrassed to be represented by a
person like him. What he said was totally unacceptable. And this is not a one
time thing. Buttars has a track record of not only statements such as these, but
even more importantly, it shows a pattern of thought of a man who should not be
in the position that he's in. Get him out of office and get him out NOW.
I'm not a member of NAACP, but I sincerely appreciate Ms. Williams taking
up this very worthy cause.
Also to More Whining | 10:30 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
The NAACP majors in victimization? Give me a break, and try to put yourself in
their shoes.
I'm sure Buttars doesn't think he's a racist, but that is beside the point. The point is, what he said is absolutely insensitive. And yes, it is for the black community to decide what they think is and isn't sensitive. Just like it's for the LDS community (and I am LDS) to decide what they think is insensitive.
I'm not talking about some crusade for political correctness. It's called RESPECT.
Maybe the NAACP would quit "whining" if people actually were sensitive to what they're trying to say.
I'm sure Buttars doesn't think he's a racist, but that is beside the point. The point is, what he said is absolutely insensitive. And yes, it is for the black community to decide what they think is and isn't sensitive. Just like it's for the LDS community (and I am LDS) to decide what they think is insensitive.
I'm not talking about some crusade for political correctness. It's called RESPECT.
Maybe the NAACP would quit "whining" if people actually were sensitive to what they're trying to say.
Oosik | 10:30 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Problem Goes Both Ways,
That is a strawman arguement. The city can not legislate the state. It's a one way street going downhill.
Rocky lobbyied, it was the state that enacted the legislatation.
Also, how is your comment germane to the issue being discussed?
That is a strawman arguement. The city can not legislate the state. It's a one way street going downhill.
Rocky lobbyied, it was the state that enacted the legislatation.
Also, how is your comment germane to the issue being discussed?
It's Over | 10:32 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Game Over!! let it die. there was no discrimination intent in the comments by
Buttars. simple as that. let's move on. there's no difference in his
comment from one that would go like this..."that's a white lie".
it's a figure of speech. no racial intent meant at all. yet the white folks
could get all bent out of shape over it IF they WANTED to. which is exactly what
is going on here. folks WANT to be offended just to create a story. similarly
we could all get upset over a comment like this one..."it's the pot
calling the kettle black". time to spend our valuable time in the
legislature on more important things than the misconstrued comments of a good
man.
Buttarsaurus Chris | 10:48 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
The state caused the mess of the Legacy Highway by illegally proceeding with a
project before dotting all the I's and crossing all the T's.
Let's remember that.
If Buttars can't speak in front of the press, as he did all day before the planned meeting, what is he trying to hide?
And to whining - stop whining. You are (likely) not affected. How can you tell others what to feel?
If Buttars can't speak in front of the press, as he did all day before the planned meeting, what is he trying to hide?
And to whining - stop whining. You are (likely) not affected. How can you tell others what to feel?
The Deflectors | 10:57 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Are out in Force!
Tsk Tsk | 11:02 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Wow! I just lost all respect for the Eagle Forum.
Stenar | 12:07 a.m. Feb. 21, 2008
I'm dumbfounded that you ever had any respect for the Eagle Forum, but glad
to see you've come to your senses.
Janey | 12:35 a.m. Feb. 21, 2008
Gayle Ruzicka! You have to be kidding. Now she is not only speaking to her
wild-eyed readers but to the rest of us? She does not speak for me. I hope she
bought plenty of pro-buttars shirts - she is going to need them. This issue is
not dead - Buttars proposes legislation and votes on issues which affects us
all. Don't think there are not many who are ready to take notice. The
ranks will grow as more realize what this is really about. Stupidity, bigotry,
arrogance. Polarizing is what the Eagle Forum hate paper does best and Ruzicka
enjoys herself immensely. Hypocricy supreme.
david lynch black | 9:46 a.m. Feb. 21, 2008
you hypocrites and free speech phonies are making my life unbearable.
everywhere is go people want to get me fired and try to destroy me.
they say something about being a white dude and how can i have such a name.
please show some tolerance.
everywhere is go people want to get me fired and try to destroy me.
they say something about being a white dude and how can i have such a name.
please show some tolerance.
Racists NAACP | 5:48 p.m. Feb. 21, 2008
As a descendent of LDS pioneers I was deeply offended that the NAACP was so
callous and obviously racist in its claim that we do not know what a lynch mob
is. My ancestors where pulled out of jail, dragged across state lines and
lynched by a mob. My ancestors where massacred (men, women and children). My
ancestors had a state government extermination order against them. Now these
hate mongers tell me I don't know what a lynch mob is?
I have lost all respect for the racists at the NAACP.
I have lost all respect for the racists at the NAACP.
colin | 2:27 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Hey moron above. If you speak out against a religion you are a bigot, not a
racist.
Oh, and by the way, have you ever heard of the mountain meadows massacre? Men, woman, children AND babies.
Now go back to the hole you crawled out of.
Oh, and by the way, have you ever heard of the mountain meadows massacre? Men, woman, children AND babies.
Now go back to the hole you crawled out of.
Racists NAACP | 1:55 a.m. Feb. 23, 2008
I guess colin does not get it. When the NAACP claims they are the only ones who
know what a lynch mob is they are saying it because of their race. Duh! So
yes, they are makin a racists statement.
Also one wrong by a sub set of people does not erase the wrong done against the whole. If that were so then by the same "logic" you could say that lynching of blacks in the past does not matter because OJ killed his wife. Does that not sound stupid? Say it with me "that is stupid". As is your mountain meadows statement.
Thanks for your hate and the proof that this is a racists which hunt.
Also one wrong by a sub set of people does not erase the wrong done against the whole. If that were so then by the same "logic" you could say that lynching of blacks in the past does not matter because OJ killed his wife. Does that not sound stupid? Say it with me "that is stupid". As is your mountain meadows statement.
Thanks for your hate and the proof that this is a racists which hunt.
JJ | 12:55 p.m. Feb. 23, 2008
Racists NAACP: would you extend the same courtesy you claim for you and your
ancestors to those whose ancestors were killed in the Mountain Meadows Massacre?
How about the living descendants of Jews killed in WW2. For a moment there, I
was beginning to believe that the only people in history who have been
persecuted were your ancestors.
That said, I cannot think of a greater political compliment than to be opposed by Gayle Ruzicka. Those in the legislature who oppose Buttars deserve a big pat on the back for having the guts to "just say no" to this one-woman hatemonger. Just ignore her. She only has power if you give it to her. The fact that she demonstrated ALONE vividly demonstrates how politically isolated and irrelevant she has become.
That said, I cannot think of a greater political compliment than to be opposed by Gayle Ruzicka. Those in the legislature who oppose Buttars deserve a big pat on the back for having the guts to "just say no" to this one-woman hatemonger. Just ignore her. She only has power if you give it to her. The fact that she demonstrated ALONE vividly demonstrates how politically isolated and irrelevant she has become.
Anonymous | 10:07 p.m. Feb. 28, 2009
Senator Buttars said, that Brown verses Board of Education was "wrong from
the start". The only organizations that still believe in segregation of
black and white children are the Klu Klux Klan and the Utah Eagle Forum with
their chosen "Politician in Pocket" - Chris Buttars.
As an LDS women, wife and mother and grandmother, I am thoroughly ashamed that Utah would lapse back into the 1950s and promote racism and hatred.
As an LDS women, wife and mother and grandmother, I am thoroughly ashamed that Utah would lapse back into the 1950s and promote racism and hatred.
Andrea | 10:26 p.m. Feb. 28, 2009
I don't get it. Buttars used the adjective "black", as in
"tragic, disastrous, wretched", and people are reading race into it?
That seem supremely silly to me. It's a perfectly good word. Wait,
he's already publicly apologized? How weak. I generally only apologize
when I do something wrong. What else did he say? There must be more because
this doesn't make any sense.
@10:07 claims he said Brown v Board of Education was "wrong from the start." Could I get a reference on this? Because I don't know what he means without context.
@10:07 claims he said Brown v Board of Education was "wrong from the start." Could I get a reference on this? Because I don't know what he means without context.
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