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re:Ron | 9:13 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
We all have made comments and wished we could take it back.
My wife asked once if a dress she had made her look heavy.
After making my slip it was my responsibility to make it right, and it was not just a quick apology.
Mr. buttars has had several opportunities to try to set things straight, but his arrogance, to me, a citizen of this state he speaks on behalf of, is unheard of.
Gee, the old stone throwers line sure gets worked alot here in Utah, though.
My wife asked once if a dress she had made her look heavy.
After making my slip it was my responsibility to make it right, and it was not just a quick apology.
Mr. buttars has had several opportunities to try to set things straight, but his arrogance, to me, a citizen of this state he speaks on behalf of, is unheard of.
Gee, the old stone throwers line sure gets worked alot here in Utah, though.
Park City Resident | 9:21 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
I could care less if Buttars stays or goes... BUT I'm sick of the NAACP
imposing itself as the thought and speech police of our country.
When they denounce the Miss Black America Pageant and Black History Month I'll start believing that see ALL Americans as equals... until then they are one of the most racist organizations in America.
When they denounce the Miss Black America Pageant and Black History Month I'll start believing that see ALL Americans as equals... until then they are one of the most racist organizations in America.
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Archaea Cougarguard | 9:33 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
The point most here miss is that Chris Buttars has a pattern of making hateful
comments towards homosexuals, minorities, and those he considers to be on the
margins of society.
objective reader | 9:30 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
My support doesn't lean towards either party in this issue. I'm not
a Utah resident and of the two parties I know only of the NAACP, which in my
limited experience serves an important purpose but sometimes acts in an
overzealous manner. In this case, no matter how many times I read the comment
that "this baby is black, it's a dark..." I don't sense that
he was trying to embue his original comment with racial overtones. His use of
"baby" is pop culture jargon. It doesn't read or sound anything
like a "black baby." That is a big stretch. If anything his words make
reference more to good and evil; evil being associated with darkness and good
with light. Is this a stretch given the religiously charged environment in which
he serves? But, his later comments in which he uses the words "lynch
mob" are undoubtedly racial in nature and show very poor judgement on his
part.
amazing grace | 9:33 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Senator Buttars is a rare person, thus notable. He is truly smaller than life.
The Rock | 9:34 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Only a fool takes offense when no offense was intended. Senator Buttars remarks
had nothing to do with race. Jesus said we should walk in the light. Darth
Vader went to the dark side. This is the context in which Senator Buttars
remarks were made. He was contrasting good and bad, light and dark, good and
evil.
He should never appologize to the NCAA because they will never accept the appology and if he does appologize they will use that as evidence to convict him of some kinds of verbal hate crime.
Never appologize to a liberal.
He should never appologize to the NCAA because they will never accept the appology and if he does appologize they will use that as evidence to convict him of some kinds of verbal hate crime.
Never appologize to a liberal.
Show your true colors Utah | 9:42 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
What did spider man say? �With much power comes much
responsibility� you are a public official choose your
words wisely. Any other state and this mand doesn't have a job!!!!
RE: He did nothing wrong: | 9:42 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Ok, just for a moment I will agree that his "black, ugly baby"
statement was twisted around and mis interpreted. But, how do you explain him
not really apologizing for the comment but telling implying that those who took
offense were wrong? How about him calling the NAACP "THOSE" people or
calling Scott McCoy "THE" Gay? How do explain his use of the words
"lynch mob" -- yes, back in the 1800's it meant something
different out west, but in TODAY's society the meaning usually refers to
white men hanging a black person. How can Buttars not know that? Isn't he
suppose to be smart enough to know "the right words to say"? What
about his dismissal of Brown vs. Board of Education saying it was "wrong to
begin with". Or how about his wanting "divine evolution" to be
taught in schools?
While this one incident with the "black, ugly baby" may not warrant all this attention, it is just another horrible remark from a man who has been speweing hate from his "pulpit" in the Senate. This one incident is looking to be the straw that broke the camels' back.
While this one incident with the "black, ugly baby" may not warrant all this attention, it is just another horrible remark from a man who has been speweing hate from his "pulpit" in the Senate. This one incident is looking to be the straw that broke the camels' back.
Blown Up | 9:45 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Wow, when will people realize that the NAACP needs issues to raise money.
This is a non-issue but the wonderful NAACP needs issues to raise money so rather than concentrate on real issues like why a black male is more likely to end up in jail than college or why a black male is 10x's more likely to die of aids than his white counterpart they pick these issues that have no effect on the country and spend thier time on those.
Seriously, the NAACP needs to remember what there purpose is.
So someone tell me how does Mr. Buttars resigning help advance colored people?
This is a non-issue but the wonderful NAACP needs issues to raise money so rather than concentrate on real issues like why a black male is more likely to end up in jail than college or why a black male is 10x's more likely to die of aids than his white counterpart they pick these issues that have no effect on the country and spend thier time on those.
Seriously, the NAACP needs to remember what there purpose is.
So someone tell me how does Mr. Buttars resigning help advance colored people?
Keep the heat on | 9:46 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
The fact that this issue keeps inflating is great for the rest of the state. If
Buttercup is preocuppied enough with this issue he is less likely to create a
spectacle regarding other issues. In fact I would assume he is fairly
marginalized at this point. So let the NAACP, Urban League, La Raza, ACLU, and
any other "rights" group turn the heat up. Buttercup brought this on
himself, not necessarily with what he recently said, but with his long history
of spewing venom, intolerance, and hate. Friends, Romans, West Jordians, lend
me your ear....vote this clown out.
John Lambert | 10:02 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
I am tired by people calling the NAACP racist. This is a stupid, gratuitous
insult. Just because you think it is acceptable for public officials to make
statements that imply members of a given race are ugly, does not mean people who
totally oppose your views are racist.
I get the sense that few of you have any idea what the NAACP has done. I would remind you that President Hinckley on at least one occasion spoke at a meeting of the NAACP.
If you were to claim that the NAACP is intolerant of religios difference in that it never seemed to see a problem with demanding that religious groups change their policizes that it viewed as racist, you might have a point. However to call them racist on reflex just seems to demonstate a total lack of understanding of hundreds of questions.
I get the sense that few of you have any idea what the NAACP has done. I would remind you that President Hinckley on at least one occasion spoke at a meeting of the NAACP.
If you were to claim that the NAACP is intolerant of religios difference in that it never seemed to see a problem with demanding that religious groups change their policizes that it viewed as racist, you might have a point. However to call them racist on reflex just seems to demonstate a total lack of understanding of hundreds of questions.
Bubba | 9:57 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
NAACP public meeting=Lynch mob.
Agreed!
NAACP is playing for maximum press.
Agreed!
NAACP is playing for maximum press.
So What? | 10:03 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
When will we realize that the real strength is in the person humble enough to
give a sincere apology and real weakness is in the one who needs to demand the
apology? How did that get so twisted around?
Another problem is this race to be the first/most offended. Know, what? This is America, where you have the right to be offended . . . and I have the right not to care if you are. "Demand an apology" . . . sheez, how about grow a spine instead, you babies. [Oh wait, did I just offend Newborn Americans with that last insult?]
Another problem is this race to be the first/most offended. Know, what? This is America, where you have the right to be offended . . . and I have the right not to care if you are. "Demand an apology" . . . sheez, how about grow a spine instead, you babies. [Oh wait, did I just offend Newborn Americans with that last insult?]
John Lambert | 10:14 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Is buttars unwilling to go to the NAACP meeting because he knows that if it
was a black man who came to a majority white meeting in Utah after having
offended the whites he would be attacked? I almost sense that Buttars is
implying that he thinks the NAACP is a bunch of violent people and he fears for
his life if he goes. That would be the meaning of lynch mob.
If Buttars thinks people are trying to kill him, he should resign and check in at the hospital because he claearly suffers from delusions of persecution.
If Sharpton had to come to Utah and meet Mormons to move beyond his offending remark, than why can't we make Buttars at least go somewhere where there will be some blacks. Personally I think we should make him tour Detroit and New Orleans and see if he still thinks blacks are not mistreated in this country.
If Buttars thinks people are trying to kill him, he should resign and check in at the hospital because he claearly suffers from delusions of persecution.
If Sharpton had to come to Utah and meet Mormons to move beyond his offending remark, than why can't we make Buttars at least go somewhere where there will be some blacks. Personally I think we should make him tour Detroit and New Orleans and see if he still thinks blacks are not mistreated in this country.
Spencer | 10:30 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
How many more minority groups is Chris Buttars going to directly hurt and
insult!? Time to step down Chris.
Watching from Florida | 10:32 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
I kind of get the implication that Ms. Williams thinks that Mr Buttars was
implying that babie are ugly because they are black. Living here in Florida I
have seen ugly babies in all colors. In the context of the speech, I believe he
was using the term "baby" as slang, e.g., someone referring to a pet
project or a car as"their baby". Yes, it may have been a poor choice
of words but I,m sure that there was no offense intended.
John Lambert | 10:32 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
We don't have to accept apologises when they are really used as attacks to
point out how we are in the wrong for having been offended.
consider the audience | 10:35 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Buttars, we all ain't sitting there as if we don't care and I was
sittin there watching tv when your phony behind came on like some old 50's
rerun , talking smack! And that was while I was holding my beautiful black
child, with my others watching! I though your momma taught you better!
Carole Knowles | 10:31 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Like all racists, Buttars is a coward.
LivingInUtah | 10:33 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
If Buttars bills are passed and he is re-elected...it's time for me to move
out of this state. It will reflect the opinion of the majority and I want to be
as far away from that as possible. It would be a sad day if that happens.
Drummer | 10:41 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
As an aside, throughout history, groups of angry citizens termed "Lynch
Mobs" have affected people of every race, class, and stature. No one has a
corner on the market. The term accurately describes what is being portrayed by
the groups seeking only their solution without consideration of surrounding
facts and context.
The term "Baby" has been used as a reference to cars, boats, motorcycles, newspaper articles, work projects, songs, and myriad gadgets of all persuations. While it is unprofessional in the context of a senate debate, there is absolutely no proof of intent in this circumstance. "Baby" in this cicumstance references the bill itself.
The term "Baby" has been used as a reference to cars, boats, motorcycles, newspaper articles, work projects, songs, and myriad gadgets of all persuations. While it is unprofessional in the context of a senate debate, there is absolutely no proof of intent in this circumstance. "Baby" in this cicumstance references the bill itself.
C'Mon | 10:37 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
As we heard from Rodney King during the LA Riots "Can't we all get
along?"
IMHO Both the NAACP and Buttars need to have their rear ends kicked across the room for total stupidity. It's obvious the stupidity in Buttar's side but the NAACP needs a good spanking because of their politicizing this for THEIR OWN agenda.
If we ever want to get along as a community, will ALL being equal, then we need to take the higher road when stupid things happen.
Williams is now just as guilty of racism as Buttars is and this does nothing to heal any rift in the community, in fact, it makes it worse.
IMHO Both the NAACP and Buttars need to have their rear ends kicked across the room for total stupidity. It's obvious the stupidity in Buttar's side but the NAACP needs a good spanking because of their politicizing this for THEIR OWN agenda.
If we ever want to get along as a community, will ALL being equal, then we need to take the higher road when stupid things happen.
Williams is now just as guilty of racism as Buttars is and this does nothing to heal any rift in the community, in fact, it makes it worse.
Anonymous | 10:47 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
He skipped it as he should have. The NAACP are the biggest racists on the
planet.
1stAmendmentFan | 10:50 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
This story is an absolute joke! Enough, already, with the NAACP vultures
turning every utterance into racial slander. Decaying teeth turn black. Moldy,
rotten food can turn black...even wilting flowers can turn black. Why do these
myopic crusaders spin everything into racial turmoil?
Right to freedom of expression? Not in the USA.
Right to freedom of expression? Not in the USA.
Ernest T. Bass | 10:51 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
It's because he's a typical republican bigot. He's a coward and
has no explaination for what he's said.
Please Anonymous | 10:47 a.m. | 10:51 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
"The NAACP are the biggest racists on the planet."
Sure...
It wouldn't be the Nazi Party, or the KKK, but the NAACP.
Nice call.
Sure...
It wouldn't be the Nazi Party, or the KKK, but the NAACP.
Nice call.
Anonymous | 10:52 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Here is the deal. What he said was "this baby is black.." Not
"this is a black baby" as reported by a representitive of the NAACP.
Should he resign, yeah probably, he sounds like an idiot on many levels. However
the real problem I have is that an organization with a long history that should
be professional is changing the facts to benifit their own bias. The NAACP will
never get any respect if it believes that the general public is so stupid that
by manipulating the facts they can gain wide-spread support for their position.
karma | 10:53 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
The Buddhist philosophy of karma and rebirth would indicate that any
racist's next lifetime will probably be spent in a ghetto in a large, dirty
city.
I have the utmost compassion for all racists.
I have the utmost compassion for all racists.
boot him out | 10:59 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Sorry Ron,
Elected officials should always be held to a higher standard.
This guy represents the lowest.
Elected officials should always be held to a higher standard.
This guy represents the lowest.
My Free Speech | 10:55 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Many of the comments in this message board are repulsive, and make me embarrased
to be surrounded by a bunch of racist apologists.
What makes me sick is I work with many of you anonymous posters, live by you, your kids play with my children, and your support racial bigotry.
Shame on you.
What makes me sick is I work with many of you anonymous posters, live by you, your kids play with my children, and your support racial bigotry.
Shame on you.
grundle | 11:08 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
This is sooooo blown out of proportion.
It is sad that the PC police are so willing silence someone.
This whole issue is politically motivated and the media sheep have fallen right in line.
Sad.
It is sad that the PC police are so willing silence someone.
This whole issue is politically motivated and the media sheep have fallen right in line.
Sad.
re:Anonymous | 10:52 a.m. | 11:09 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
See, I don't think that many people care about the reputation of the
NAACP.
I do believe that they care about the Reputation of the Utah State senate, and the intellectual capabilities of those who make decisions that affect everyone in the State.
NAACP or not, Mr. Buttars intelligence is in question here.
I do believe that they care about the Reputation of the Utah State senate, and the intellectual capabilities of those who make decisions that affect everyone in the State.
NAACP or not, Mr. Buttars intelligence is in question here.
LaVerl LaVerkin | 11:11 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Goll dang you people are bein unfair to Senator Butter. My heck this whole
thing is an ugly black baby for this state.
Wow I can't stomach saying that even in jest. In a public taped meeting, this Senator compared a bill to an ugly black baby. Seriously.
If you're really honest with yourself, I think you'll admit that he's probably a decent man, but that public figures today can't talk like this. If he hasn't figured that out by now, he has no place representing us.
Wow I can't stomach saying that even in jest. In a public taped meeting, this Senator compared a bill to an ugly black baby. Seriously.
If you're really honest with yourself, I think you'll admit that he's probably a decent man, but that public figures today can't talk like this. If he hasn't figured that out by now, he has no place representing us.
Tired non-issues & liberals | 11:20 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
I don�t understand why the NAACP won�t
accept an apology from a white man from Utah, but they will accept one from a
white man from New York. Is it because the white from Utah is a Republican and
the white man from New York is a Democrat? In case you
don�t know who the white man from New York is, it is Bill
Clinton. He made �racists� comments
on the national stage while campaigning for his wife and apologized. It makes
me wonder what the NAACP�s angle is, publicity, promoting
the Democrat party, fund raising or some other liberal agenda item. The NAACP
has an agenda and the local media is pushing it for them. If
Buttars� was smart he would shut his mouth (I doubt he can)
and let the NAACP keep trying to pour gas on this issue. Buttars appearances on
local TV stations keeps this alive.
Annie | 11:20 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
The NAACP should be given no power period! They are not voted officials and
should not have the rights to do all that they do. We the people have the right
to vote and decide for ourselves who should be in office. Don't let this
organization decide anything. The fact that they will sue anyone anywhere for
anything they feel fits their agenda should send a red flag to every American.
Don't let this organization have the power to do anything. We have too
many of these organizations in America today that are subject to someone else
other that the people. Where are THEY getting the money to make law and where
to they get the right decide what the meaning of the word BLACK means.
He's Right... | 11:23 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Buttars was right to refuse to have a public meeting. Only a moron would go to
a public meeting like the one that was set up. And set up is the right term.
That said, Buttars should resign. He did not say it was a black piece of
legislation. He said "black baby, a dark and ugly thing". Whatever
he meant, it is what he said that counts. Go away Buttars and let's get on
with life.
NAACP, get a real job | 11:34 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Just looking for a target, even a small one makes it appear you are running out
of work. Go to the prisons and the jails where your people really need help and
thus, serve mankind. Quit targeting people like Buttars. Be happy that there are
only a few "red necks" around. There are more important things for you
to be doing.
Ron again | 11:39 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Obviously, it's all about politics. Yet, what I really don't
understand is why Mr. Buttars didn't go to the meeting with the NAACP even
though it was public with tv cameras. He could have apologized again and been
very gracious. Now he looks like an even greater fool by running away from this
meeting. He should have gone on offense. He could have turned it into a press
conference and brought Salt Lake County Republican Party Chairman James Evans
(who is black) along with him and then spent some time talking about his record
and what he plans to do upon reelection. Have the two of them side by side. The
NAACP would absolutely go nuts! Here's a wonderful opportunity missed. Mr.
Buttars, you blew it! Now everyone will wonder ...
BotchedExperiment | 11:41 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Many of you are missing the most important point.
It doesn't matter who the NAACP is. It doesn't matter whether or not what Buttars said was racist.
What matters is that Buttars is demonstrating that he is not aware and is not smart enough to handle his own personal speech and actions. How then, can he be a good leader and make important decisions?
An aware and smart person wouldn't have made the comments (I'm not talking about whether he had the right to make them).
An aware and smart person would have said, "I'm very sorry. I'm not a racist. I meant "black" as in "black magic" referring to something that is not in the light and may be associated with evil. I aknowlege that may comments could be construed to mean that having dark skin is ugly and unfavorable. That was not my intent. I've contacted the NAACP and have arranged a meeting with them so that they and I can make another communication to the African American community to clairfy my comments."
If he had said the above, he would be getting props for how he handled it, not criticism. He's acting stoopit.
It doesn't matter who the NAACP is. It doesn't matter whether or not what Buttars said was racist.
What matters is that Buttars is demonstrating that he is not aware and is not smart enough to handle his own personal speech and actions. How then, can he be a good leader and make important decisions?
An aware and smart person wouldn't have made the comments (I'm not talking about whether he had the right to make them).
An aware and smart person would have said, "I'm very sorry. I'm not a racist. I meant "black" as in "black magic" referring to something that is not in the light and may be associated with evil. I aknowlege that may comments could be construed to mean that having dark skin is ugly and unfavorable. That was not my intent. I've contacted the NAACP and have arranged a meeting with them so that they and I can make another communication to the African American community to clairfy my comments."
If he had said the above, he would be getting props for how he handled it, not criticism. He's acting stoopit.
wow | 11:52 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
The NAACP finds any reason to cast a stone at someone and tarnish there career.
He apologized, it's not that big of a deal, get over it, people make
mistakes, Buttars is not a racist.
ex-utahn | 11:54 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
I cannot tell you how happy I am now that I've moved away from that sexist,
racists, reddest state!
Thank you all for reminding me.
Thank you all for reminding me.
remay1 | 12:06 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
To botched:
You are very n�ive. The NAACP did not want an apology. The want to bring down white conservative politician. It would not have mattered one whit whatever Buttars had said. They would still be calling for him to resign. He is 180 degrees out of synch with their agenda and that's their principal problem with him.
You are very n�ive. The NAACP did not want an apology. The want to bring down white conservative politician. It would not have mattered one whit whatever Buttars had said. They would still be calling for him to resign. He is 180 degrees out of synch with their agenda and that's their principal problem with him.
Buttar's own words later | 12:13 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
say just as much about who he really is and his complete lack of sense on the
issue. First, he told KSL that, "I knew I wasn't right in that
comment, and it really set me back. Uh, it's hurt me. Notice all the
"I" and "me" references. He is most concerned about is
himself and his political standing/future. Second, he refers to kids he worked
with at the Boys Ranch as, "I've dealt with black kids, red kids,
brown kids...." Oh, he sees color alright, but his description of color
sounds more like a brand that a human characteristic. He and is half-century
old ideas and beliefs need to leave the legislative halls of this state.
Nate | 12:08 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
First of all Buttars did make alot of stupid mistakes when it came to his choice
of words. However, could it just be that he doesn't fully understand the
significance of his words? In that light he apologized and you should let it go.
Mistakes happen. The problem with the world now is that people don't accept
an apology. They play the self-rigteous card and refuse it. If the mistake was
an honest mistake, can't we just let it go?
Let the voters decide how bad of a comment he made was. The whole point of election is for the people to make the decisions. Not a special interest group.
Let the voters decide how bad of a comment he made was. The whole point of election is for the people to make the decisions. Not a special interest group.
Eric | 12:18 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
I dont think Mr Buttars meant it (the comment) to be the way that some people
perceive it to be. It is scary in this day and age when you say something even
if its taken out of context and it can destroy your life.
Howard | 12:36 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
If he had used green instead of black, would he need to apologize to the people
of Mars? Let it go and let the people decide if he is fit for office on
election day and not a special interest group.
Jud | 12:39 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
The spineless ones are the Utah Senators who say "it's all up to
Buttars and his constituents." They say "there's nothing we can
do." They're wrong. If they had anything like a little courage, they
would stand up on the Senate floor and call for Buttars to leave their midst.
Now! The people want him gone. Can you hear us, Mr. Valentine? Or are we beneath
your notice?
Anonymous | 12:48 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Stop racism dead in its tracks.
Vote Democratic.
Goatnapper'96 | 1:00 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Methinks that Chris Buttars alone has the power to end this. Whatever happened
to dignity?
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I clearly see your point. I think everyone on both sides wants to see the whole thing go away, except Mr. buttars, who desires the Ostrich Approach.
If Mr. Buttars did nothing wrong, and offered to apologize, what is the problem about meeing in front of cameras.
the whole thing would not be televised, there would probably be two quick sound bytes, one from the NAACP, one from Buttars, and the whole thing would have went away, one way or another.
I don't think Buttars is necessarily a racist, but he made a racist comment, and should face it, instead of the continued game playing.
Oh, and Mr. Buttars does not need the NAACP to embarass him, he embarassed himself.