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realist | 1:44 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Buttars is a sad representative of the people. He must actually represent his
constituents because he keeps getting elected, that is what is truly sad.
Pittakos | 1:52 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
"You're definitely reaching here. It's not the word,
"black", per se but how it was used in the context. Trying to equate
"Black Diamond" with "black baby" demonstrates a simpleton
mind set that only further demonstrates that those who come to Buttars defense
usually lack substantative and sustainable arguments."
I'm reaching? I'll bet you haven't even listened to how he said it and in what context he said it. As I said earlier, I'm not supporting Buttars but I find the lynching that is going on is due to mob mentality. Hang 'em first and then hear the real facts. The proponent of the bill was calling it "his baby." Go listen to what he said then come back and say that he was being racist.
I'm reaching? I'll bet you haven't even listened to how he said it and in what context he said it. As I said earlier, I'm not supporting Buttars but I find the lynching that is going on is due to mob mentality. Hang 'em first and then hear the real facts. The proponent of the bill was calling it "his baby." Go listen to what he said then come back and say that he was being racist.
Anonymous | 1:52 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
What a good man Senator Buttars is. I wish we could all be stronger in our
convictions and could fully stand up for what we believe without falling under
pressure.
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Tyranny of the Majority | 1:55 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
to Deseret Dawg. First, I truly doubt (and hope) that the predominant Utah
culture actually think that Buttars. For you to put the classic exclusion
phrase, if you don't like it here, move somewhere else, is bogus. The
minority, regardless of our race, religion, political beliefs, sexual
orientation, etc., have a right to live wherever we want to in THESE UNITED
STATES. It is you, who needs to understand how to deal with opinions that do
not coincide with yours. We are a democratic republic not a tyrannical society
ruled by the majority.
To Pittakos | 2:08 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
It's either positive or negative, depending on how you use it.
"That pea has a black eye, we will call it a "Black Eye Pea". That hole sucks out all of the light, we will call it a "Black Hole".
These terms are used all of the time, and no one makes an issue, which I am sure you can understand.
When something is so bad, it is not just an ugly baby, it is worse, it is " a black, ugly baby".
When you use the word "Black" as a negative, as a perjoritive, this is not appropriate.
Anytime you refer to a whole group of people, using a commonality as a way to make the term a negative, it is bigoted, whether sexist, or racial, or gender biased.
It's too bad you cannot understand this.
(sort of like when people refer to Gay people with a Greek reference... the word is Gay = happy).
"That pea has a black eye, we will call it a "Black Eye Pea". That hole sucks out all of the light, we will call it a "Black Hole".
These terms are used all of the time, and no one makes an issue, which I am sure you can understand.
When something is so bad, it is not just an ugly baby, it is worse, it is " a black, ugly baby".
When you use the word "Black" as a negative, as a perjoritive, this is not appropriate.
Anytime you refer to a whole group of people, using a commonality as a way to make the term a negative, it is bigoted, whether sexist, or racial, or gender biased.
It's too bad you cannot understand this.
(sort of like when people refer to Gay people with a Greek reference... the word is Gay = happy).
Archaea Cougarguard | 2:17 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
We continue to feed Mr. Buttars' insatiable need for attention with these
circular arguments. Here are the facts: 1.) Buttars has a long standing
predisposition toward making hateful and inane comments fed in large part by his
primary constituency, Gayle Ruzicka and Paul Mero; and 2.) Buttars loves being
the center of attention and is privately reveling in being a distraction to the
real business of the people. An involved citizenry would demand his removal.
Too many sheep in Utah are not willing to stand up for what is right unless they
are instructed to do so from the pulpit.
Pittakos | 2:24 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
"Anytime you refer to a whole group of people, using a commonality as a way
to make the term a negative, it is bigoted, whether sexist, or racial, or gender
biased."
I understand this perfectly. The only problem is that Buttars did not refer to a whole group of people. He referred to a bill which the sponsor had called "his baby." The real problem, here, is that there is a group of people who do not like Buttars and they will find any excuse to try and make him look foolish even to the point of exaggerating the truth. In this case, the man made no mention of nor any reference to black people. The real bigots are those who see racism in everything.
I understand this perfectly. The only problem is that Buttars did not refer to a whole group of people. He referred to a bill which the sponsor had called "his baby." The real problem, here, is that there is a group of people who do not like Buttars and they will find any excuse to try and make him look foolish even to the point of exaggerating the truth. In this case, the man made no mention of nor any reference to black people. The real bigots are those who see racism in everything.
Alan Jeppesen | 2:37 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Senator Butters is an embarassment to the citizens of the State of Utah as
certainly to the other members of the Senate. He has shown his true colors once
again. Why the people of his voting district continue to support him is
unfathomable. His disregard of the public outcry over his dispicable behavior
only further convinces me is is an anacronism who is out of touch with his
constituents and the people of this State. He has got to get out of the public
spot light--he has got to go.
re:Pittakos | 2:39 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Yes, you are reaching.
Buttars is not being "lynched" by a mob, he is being "reprimanded" by the people of the State of Utah and reminded that he represents us, and when he makes such "vile" and "vulgar" references, we should have a forum to voice our disgust (such as these blogs, etc). I don't see a "mob mentality", rather a civil discussion with those, such as yourself, free to defend your man (and as it turns out most mentions of violence as metaphors are coming from those who defend him... why do you think that is?)
Mr. Buttars has the ability to "shut everyone up" in all of these blogs, prove you right, remove the conversation from himself and put it back on the business of the State, by taking a hint from those he represents in the State and step aside.
But I for one appreciate your opinion, Pittakos.
Buttars is not being "lynched" by a mob, he is being "reprimanded" by the people of the State of Utah and reminded that he represents us, and when he makes such "vile" and "vulgar" references, we should have a forum to voice our disgust (such as these blogs, etc). I don't see a "mob mentality", rather a civil discussion with those, such as yourself, free to defend your man (and as it turns out most mentions of violence as metaphors are coming from those who defend him... why do you think that is?)
Mr. Buttars has the ability to "shut everyone up" in all of these blogs, prove you right, remove the conversation from himself and put it back on the business of the State, by taking a hint from those he represents in the State and step aside.
But I for one appreciate your opinion, Pittakos.
re:Pittakos | 2:45 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
What's not to get???
"I understand this perfectly. The only problem is that Buttars did not refer to a whole group of people. He referred to a bill which the sponsor had called "his baby.""
Then, Mr. Buttars said that "BABY" was "BLACK", to make it more negative.
When someone differentiates between a "BABY" and extends it to a "BLACK BABY", does that not lead your mind to think of an African American CHILD???
If you don't get it, you just don't get it, but you can't claim that you "understand this perfectly".
Ask some of your friends who have suffered racism.
"I understand this perfectly. The only problem is that Buttars did not refer to a whole group of people. He referred to a bill which the sponsor had called "his baby.""
Then, Mr. Buttars said that "BABY" was "BLACK", to make it more negative.
When someone differentiates between a "BABY" and extends it to a "BLACK BABY", does that not lead your mind to think of an African American CHILD???
If you don't get it, you just don't get it, but you can't claim that you "understand this perfectly".
Ask some of your friends who have suffered racism.
El Jefe Cougarboard | 2:55 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Recently, I have come to realize the benefits of power. In the case of Senator
Buttars, he has the power of the bully pulpit and we have little choice but to
do as we are told by him and all of our elected representatives. There are
blessings to be gained by respecting those in authority over us. Mr. Buttars
wields his power well and those of us in positions of authority can learn from
his forceful and decisive leadership. Every strong leader has enemies; they
must be dealt with a strong and decisive manner. Mr. Buttars is a model of
strong leadership and I am proud to use his principles in my own business.
C'Mon | 2:52 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
NAACP - National Association for the Advancement of Colored People nothing more
nothing less. They have no agenda except to advance their own cause.
Dosen't that strike you as bigoted in and of itself? Why aren't they
the NAAAP - National Association for the Advancement of ALL People?
Seems to me like they are calling the kettle "Black".
Seems to me like they are calling the kettle "Black".
Anonymous | 2:55 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
He says that his comments were misinterpreted. I just can't see how else
that comment can be interpreted. What, other than how it sounded, did he
actually mean by what he said? What he said just doesn't sound like
something that can roll off your tongue, like an unfortunate expletive. It
sounds like something only those who think that way can say. I've read
that comment many times, and I can't see how else to interpret it.
Buttars and El Jefe | 3:08 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
I am sure Mr. Buttars has enemies, but not here.
The posters on this board do not appear to be his enemies, rather Utahns upset with the mentality of someone who would speak in such a bigoted manner.
Too many people across the country accuse Utahns of being "Racist". Thant the only minorities we like are athletes and entertainers.
I see the true colors of the majority of Utahns on these boards, and I see them on the whole, as a group who are willing to stand up for what is right, and against intolerance.
If I have learned nothing from this whole fiasco, it is that I can be proud of being a Utahn, that Mr. buttars does not speak for Utah, and his Bigotry only is supported by a small minority.
The posters on this board do not appear to be his enemies, rather Utahns upset with the mentality of someone who would speak in such a bigoted manner.
Too many people across the country accuse Utahns of being "Racist". Thant the only minorities we like are athletes and entertainers.
I see the true colors of the majority of Utahns on these boards, and I see them on the whole, as a group who are willing to stand up for what is right, and against intolerance.
If I have learned nothing from this whole fiasco, it is that I can be proud of being a Utahn, that Mr. buttars does not speak for Utah, and his Bigotry only is supported by a small minority.
re:C'MON | 3:06 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
AARP:
"They have no agenda except to advance their own cause. Dosen't that strike you as bigoted in and of itself?"
Retired Workers are bigoted?
Read your history books.
"They have no agenda except to advance their own cause. Dosen't that strike you as bigoted in and of itself?"
Retired Workers are bigoted?
Read your history books.
Anonymous | 3:18 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Elected officials should be held to a higher standard -
Everywhere but Utah that is.
Everywhere but Utah that is.
Jud | 3:16 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
"This baby is black. It's a dark, ugly thing."
A good friend of mine just adopted a sweet little African-American girl. I would like to see Buttars say this to my friend's face; he might be interested in the reaction. Buttars must go.
A good friend of mine just adopted a sweet little African-American girl. I would like to see Buttars say this to my friend's face; he might be interested in the reaction. Buttars must go.
How come the NAACP... | 3:21 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Doesn't go after this guy?
"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." -- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1944, after he quit the KKK.
"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." -- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1944, after he quit the KKK.
Hey There | 3:33 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
To Pittakos: It's not the use of the term black per se that is wrong.
Black Friday is named such because retailers move from being in the red
(negative) to being in the black (positive). It's the day stores begin
turning profits. It's a financial thing. Not a racial thing. Get a grip!
But if you listen to Buttars, his tone, his past, etc it is quite clear he
meant his comment to be racist. Can you not discern that for yourself?
Pathetic.
To Deseret Dawg: True, UT has a culture of its own. But that culture, first and foremost, is not up to you. It can change. How dare you request people to relocate. This state is mine as much as it is yours. I come from the same pioneer heritage you do, but that doesn't mean I don't value diversity. Bottom line: you are not the sole dictator of UT's culture. It will always change. You have no right to kick out those who ask for that culture to be more inclusive. In essence, you have disobeyed President Hinckley's request to reach out to our neighbors. Shame on you.
To Deseret Dawg: True, UT has a culture of its own. But that culture, first and foremost, is not up to you. It can change. How dare you request people to relocate. This state is mine as much as it is yours. I come from the same pioneer heritage you do, but that doesn't mean I don't value diversity. Bottom line: you are not the sole dictator of UT's culture. It will always change. You have no right to kick out those who ask for that culture to be more inclusive. In essence, you have disobeyed President Hinckley's request to reach out to our neighbors. Shame on you.
El Jefe Cougarguard | 3:44 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
At the risk of being repetitive, let me add that Mr. Buttars is simply wielding
the power given to him by the voters. Like my own internet business, our
government is a top down organization. The power of the people is relinquished
once the ballots are cast. In my Cougarguard business, I often make difficult
decisions. That is the price of ownership and control. Senator Buttars is my
idol.
Unbelievable! | 3:56 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Surely, there is someone out there in the Republican party ranks of West Jordan
who is just as neo-Con and appealing to the Eagle Forum as Chris Butters is but
hold one distinct difference to Butters... they have the sense and sensitivity
to keep their damn mouth's shut when it comes to making inflammatory
statements and comments... surely?
That person needs to step up NOW! The Republican primary is just a few short weeks away for someone to make the necessary inroads and bounce Butters out of the running.
Surely, there's someone out there isn't there?
That person needs to step up NOW! The Republican primary is just a few short weeks away for someone to make the necessary inroads and bounce Butters out of the running.
Surely, there's someone out there isn't there?
perfect metaphor | 4:08 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Just another sad commentary on what has become of the Republican Party.
This guy's the perfect metaphor.
This guy's the perfect metaphor.
Re:Cougarguard | 4:18 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Repetative: Yes.
"In my Cougarguard business, I often make difficult decisions. That is the price of ownership and control."
Dude, how did you become so cool.
"In my Cougarguard business, I often make difficult decisions. That is the price of ownership and control."
Dude, how did you become so cool.
Anonymous | 4:23 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
What is scary is the liberal facists want to control all voices.
It is the liberal facist who make up oofensises, make up imaginary record of racism and hate.
In reading this forum there is nothing but hate and hate filled invective that is coming from the facist liberals.
Before they judge another maybe the look at them sevles first.
In fact it is rule of the majority, majority representation. It always has been, and always will.
The only thing the constitution protects is it always the minority to have voice. But it is not rule by the minority never has been, and god willing never will be.
Theis is majority mormom. it will always have majority representation. It will always be the majority culture. All the liberal facist screaming will never change that.
It is the liberal facist who make up oofensises, make up imaginary record of racism and hate.
In reading this forum there is nothing but hate and hate filled invective that is coming from the facist liberals.
Before they judge another maybe the look at them sevles first.
In fact it is rule of the majority, majority representation. It always has been, and always will.
The only thing the constitution protects is it always the minority to have voice. But it is not rule by the minority never has been, and god willing never will be.
Theis is majority mormom. it will always have majority representation. It will always be the majority culture. All the liberal facist screaming will never change that.
SLC Resident | 4:29 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Move over Mitt. Chris Buttars: The New Face of Mormon Politics.
to Hey There | 4:56 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Rock on!
liberal means reform | 4:51 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Anonymous 4:23 -
All one has to do is to switch the word liberal to necon, and you will have an accurate big picture of what is happening today in today's bait-and-switching political climate. These guys a very, very clever, aren't they?
The Neocons have been getting away with this for years.
Is it November yet?
All one has to do is to switch the word liberal to necon, and you will have an accurate big picture of what is happening today in today's bait-and-switching political climate. These guys a very, very clever, aren't they?
The Neocons have been getting away with this for years.
Is it November yet?
Anonymous | 4:54 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
I can see how a person like Buttars is soon to become a hero (like their
conservative guru, Rush Limbaugh) already is to many in this valley.
Pathetic, isn't it?
Pathetic, isn't it?
Kit | 4:58 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Buttars should be censured. His long list of comments over the years does not
support his feable attempt to excuse himself. If that is what he wants to say
he should stand up and say it, and not say it and then try to hide behind an
excuse.
Re: Tim | 5:05 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
If you equate Buttars with Mitt Romney you have lost any intelligence you might
have had. Buttars belongs in a separate category. If you are afraid to vote for
Mitt because of Buttars, I am afraid to vote for a Democrat because of Al
Sharpton, Dennis Kusinich and the list goes on.
Archaea Cougarguard | 5:11 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
There in only one solution to the Buttars fiasco. Utah needs to formally return
to a theocractic government just as in the days of Brigham Young. In such a
scenario, Chris Buttars could simply be reassigned to the Mozambique Mission for
the remainder of his days. Contrary to the current Utah State governmment,
Buttars would be dealt with quickly, efficiently, and most importantly, quietly.
Kita Kazoo | 5:18 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Buttars� agenda has much more serious issues than just his
Freudian slips.
Buttars is sponsoring a bill that "permits a governmental entity to classify a record of formal charges or disciplinary actions against a peace officer as a private record, unless the peace officer consents, in writing, to make the record public"
Do you understand how frightening this proposal is? This dissolves your right to know about the disciplinary actions of the police officers in your town. So if an officer takes a dislike to you and violates your rights, it is nobody business but his/hers.
The bill number is S.B260 it is on the Utah Legislature website. Google it - read it.
Then decide if you can excuse his bad manners or do you need another representative.
Buttars is sponsoring a bill that "permits a governmental entity to classify a record of formal charges or disciplinary actions against a peace officer as a private record, unless the peace officer consents, in writing, to make the record public"
Do you understand how frightening this proposal is? This dissolves your right to know about the disciplinary actions of the police officers in your town. So if an officer takes a dislike to you and violates your rights, it is nobody business but his/hers.
The bill number is S.B260 it is on the Utah Legislature website. Google it - read it.
Then decide if you can excuse his bad manners or do you need another representative.
J. Vett | 5:24 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Chris Buttars' comments are undeserving of the victimhood he unsuccessfully
petitions. Buttars' comments directly hurt my sister who adopted five
(dark) beautiful children. They are the most beautiful children and babies I
have ever seen.
How can anyone claim a baby of any color is dark and ugly? The real issue is that Buttars is a racist who brings shame to himself, his family, his faith, and the State of Utah.
People of character and kindness would never imagine or use such Buttars' cruel language. He deserves our compassion and kindness--not our vote.
How can anyone claim a baby of any color is dark and ugly? The real issue is that Buttars is a racist who brings shame to himself, his family, his faith, and the State of Utah.
People of character and kindness would never imagine or use such Buttars' cruel language. He deserves our compassion and kindness--not our vote.
Kita Kazoo | 5:21 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Buttars� agenda has much more serious issues than just his
Freudian slips.
Buttars is sponsoring a bill that "permits a governmental entity to classify a record of formal charges or disciplinary actions against a peace officer as a private record, unless the peace officer consents, in writing, to make the record public"
Do you understand how frightening this proposal is? This dissolves your right to know about the disciplinary actions of the police officers in your town. So if an officer takes a dislike to you and violates your rights, it is nobody business but his/hers.
The bill number is S.B260 it is on the Utah Legislature website. Google it - read it.
Then decide if you can excuse his bad manners or do you need another representative.
Buttars is sponsoring a bill that "permits a governmental entity to classify a record of formal charges or disciplinary actions against a peace officer as a private record, unless the peace officer consents, in writing, to make the record public"
Do you understand how frightening this proposal is? This dissolves your right to know about the disciplinary actions of the police officers in your town. So if an officer takes a dislike to you and violates your rights, it is nobody business but his/hers.
The bill number is S.B260 it is on the Utah Legislature website. Google it - read it.
Then decide if you can excuse his bad manners or do you need another representative.
re:Anonymous | 4:23 | 5:24 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Darn Lliberal facists that make up words like "oofensises", which is a
word from a different undersea world of seahorses and Unicorns, where
"Theis is majority mormom".
The fact is that Mormons tend to lean Conservative, and if they are the ones calling Mr. Buttars (I can't in good conscience refer to him as Senator) on the carpet, then it is the Majority of Conservative Mormons that find offense.
"Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.- James Bovard, Civil Libertarian (1994)"
While majorty rules, a just society provides protections for the minority. I'm preferring to see this situation as the majority being so disgusted with Mr. Butters, this goes past majority and minorty, and is focusing on what is Just and Right.
The fact is that Mormons tend to lean Conservative, and if they are the ones calling Mr. Buttars (I can't in good conscience refer to him as Senator) on the carpet, then it is the Majority of Conservative Mormons that find offense.
"Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.- James Bovard, Civil Libertarian (1994)"
While majorty rules, a just society provides protections for the minority. I'm preferring to see this situation as the majority being so disgusted with Mr. Butters, this goes past majority and minorty, and is focusing on what is Just and Right.
Anonymous | 5:46 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
It's liberal facism that want to shut down voices that disagree with
them.
There has not been one instance of one conservative who demanded some liberal to step down or be fired because they disagree with them OR are offended by what they say.
It has only been liberal facist that have demanded conservative voices be shut down and fired.
It is conseratives who value true diversity.
It is conservatives who past civil right legisation in the sixties.
It is consevatives who everyone to be treated equally. And no is given an advantage.
It is conservatives who want everyone to have voice.
IT is liberal facists like stalin and hitler, and castro and chavez and the NAACP who want stop other voices, have them fired or want those voices jailed or worse.
YES, The liberal facist agenda is quite clear.
There has not been one instance of one conservative who demanded some liberal to step down or be fired because they disagree with them OR are offended by what they say.
It has only been liberal facist that have demanded conservative voices be shut down and fired.
It is conseratives who value true diversity.
It is conservatives who past civil right legisation in the sixties.
It is consevatives who everyone to be treated equally. And no is given an advantage.
It is conservatives who want everyone to have voice.
IT is liberal facists like stalin and hitler, and castro and chavez and the NAACP who want stop other voices, have them fired or want those voices jailed or worse.
YES, The liberal facist agenda is quite clear.
Time for a change | 5:44 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
This may be the year that sees a Democrat elected from Senate District 10. If
Buttars is the Republican candidate, it could happen.
Reply Pittakos | 5:51 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Ugly Black Friday
Ugly Black Sabbath
Ugly Black Holes
Ugly Black Widow
Ugly Black Crowes
Ugly Black Sheep
Ugly Black Diamond (for all you skiers)
Ugly Black Eyed Peas
Ugly Black Belt
Ugly Black Tie
Ugly Black Hills
Ugly Black Knight
Ugly Black Box
Ugly Black Death
Ugly Black Baby
(wow Pittakos, tell me how you "perfectly understand" again)
Not just racist and bigoted, calling a small child Ugly with or without the racial slur is pretty bad.
Buttars is a bigot, but can we get names of the senators representing Utah that coined this the Ugly Baby bill, and how do we get rid of these "represenatives" of the majority of the State of Utah???
Ugly Black Sabbath
Ugly Black Holes
Ugly Black Widow
Ugly Black Crowes
Ugly Black Sheep
Ugly Black Diamond (for all you skiers)
Ugly Black Eyed Peas
Ugly Black Belt
Ugly Black Tie
Ugly Black Hills
Ugly Black Knight
Ugly Black Box
Ugly Black Death
Ugly Black Baby
(wow Pittakos, tell me how you "perfectly understand" again)
Not just racist and bigoted, calling a small child Ugly with or without the racial slur is pretty bad.
Buttars is a bigot, but can we get names of the senators representing Utah that coined this the Ugly Baby bill, and how do we get rid of these "represenatives" of the majority of the State of Utah???
Biggot? Bigidiot. | 6:32 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Buttars "buttar" not win. That would spell certain disaster. I'm
sure he's nice to people who agree with him, though.
what | 6:46 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
mittbutters 2012 what a combo
To: Word Twisting | 6:48 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
This is to the word twister who actually has deluded themselves into believing
that a liberal is a Facist. This is not only an expression of ignorance and
lack of understanding politics and our language, but is stupid as well.
A Facist is about a one party system in which only the leader is correct, is never opposed, and the political body gives unmitigated permission to their actions. Never, and I repeat, never in this Nation's history (except maybe during the Lincoln reign), has a president ever held the power of a facist dictator as President Bush has. He's not only a Republican, but a neo-Con to boot, definately not a liberal (except in his mega-liberal spending of the budget as no other president in our history has ever done).
For word twister's information, Liberal has traditionally been equated with socialist, which is opposite of facist. Of course, socialist and facist are extremes. Nazism was Facism and in complete opposition to Communism's socialism, a difference that was a major playing board in WWII.
Word twister, please get your facts straight and give the readers on this forum a break by getting your political notions and nomenclature back on track.
A Facist is about a one party system in which only the leader is correct, is never opposed, and the political body gives unmitigated permission to their actions. Never, and I repeat, never in this Nation's history (except maybe during the Lincoln reign), has a president ever held the power of a facist dictator as President Bush has. He's not only a Republican, but a neo-Con to boot, definately not a liberal (except in his mega-liberal spending of the budget as no other president in our history has ever done).
For word twister's information, Liberal has traditionally been equated with socialist, which is opposite of facist. Of course, socialist and facist are extremes. Nazism was Facism and in complete opposition to Communism's socialism, a difference that was a major playing board in WWII.
Word twister, please get your facts straight and give the readers on this forum a break by getting your political notions and nomenclature back on track.
Rev. Al Sharpton | 7:01 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
"White folks was in caves while we was building empires... We taught
philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos
ever got around to it." -- Rev. Al Sharpton in a 1994 speech at Kean
College, NJ, cited in "Democrats Do the Dumbest Things"
*No doubt Al will be outside Buttars office with a magaphone.
*No doubt Al will be outside Buttars office with a magaphone.
igrowflora | 7:07 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
I think Buttars represents the attitudes of many people in this state. I get the
impression that many people tend to let his comments slide because deepdown they
share his prejudices. I bet he'll probably stay in office and I wont be
surprised if the Domestic Partnerships are shot turned down.
The majority of people in this state feel that it's more important force their religious opinions upon others than it is to acknowledge the rights of others. It's not his words that hurt as much as it is his obvious easy for disrespect of anybody different from him.
How hypocritical from a state and nation that was founded on the idea that you should be free to live your life without having to worry about persecution from religious fanatics. I deserve the right to marry. I deserve to see my partner in the hospital if he's hurt rather than told I'm not family. I'm not a threat to the family. I'm not a treat to society.
I want Buttars out. But more importantly I want to be treated fairly. I guess we'll all just have to wait on that one.
The majority of people in this state feel that it's more important force their religious opinions upon others than it is to acknowledge the rights of others. It's not his words that hurt as much as it is his obvious easy for disrespect of anybody different from him.
How hypocritical from a state and nation that was founded on the idea that you should be free to live your life without having to worry about persecution from religious fanatics. I deserve the right to marry. I deserve to see my partner in the hospital if he's hurt rather than told I'm not family. I'm not a threat to the family. I'm not a treat to society.
I want Buttars out. But more importantly I want to be treated fairly. I guess we'll all just have to wait on that one.
Anonymous | 7:04 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
You're wasting your time Word Twisting.
Trying to reason with a Neocon is like trying to make sense of banging your head against the wall.
Limbaughites want a civil war.
So, let's go!
Trying to reason with a Neocon is like trying to make sense of banging your head against the wall.
Limbaughites want a civil war.
So, let's go!
re:Anonymous | 5:46 p.m. | 7:09 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
I hate it when people post what they don't know.
"IT is liberal facists like stalin and hitler, and castro and chavez and the NAACP who want stop other voices, have them fired or want those voices jailed or worse."
Fasces (the plural, almost a plurale tantum, of the Latin word fascis, meaning bundle) symbolise summary power and jurisdiction.
The traditional Roman fasces consisted of a bundle of birch rods tied together with a red ribbon as a cylinder around an axe.
Numerous governments and other authorities have used the image of the fasces as a symbol of power since the end of the Roman Empire. Italian fascism, which derives its name from the fasces, arguably used this symbolism the most in the 20th century. However, unlike for example the swastika, the fasces have avoided the stigma associated with fascist symbolism, and many authorities continue to display them.
Look in the US House of Representatives or on the back of the US Mercury dime, the seal of the US Senate or the pediment entering the US Supreme Court to see a faces.
Stalin, Castro and Hitler were all conservatives. Cesar Chavez and the NAACP are liberals.
Educate, then pontificate.
"IT is liberal facists like stalin and hitler, and castro and chavez and the NAACP who want stop other voices, have them fired or want those voices jailed or worse."
Fasces (the plural, almost a plurale tantum, of the Latin word fascis, meaning bundle) symbolise summary power and jurisdiction.
The traditional Roman fasces consisted of a bundle of birch rods tied together with a red ribbon as a cylinder around an axe.
Numerous governments and other authorities have used the image of the fasces as a symbol of power since the end of the Roman Empire. Italian fascism, which derives its name from the fasces, arguably used this symbolism the most in the 20th century. However, unlike for example the swastika, the fasces have avoided the stigma associated with fascist symbolism, and many authorities continue to display them.
Look in the US House of Representatives or on the back of the US Mercury dime, the seal of the US Senate or the pediment entering the US Supreme Court to see a faces.
Stalin, Castro and Hitler were all conservatives. Cesar Chavez and the NAACP are liberals.
Educate, then pontificate.
Igrowflora | 7:18 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
The Majority of the state of Utah has their right to express their opinion, and
in this case, I believe they are on your side, so why would you try to silence
them???
They want buttars out, they are not mindless sheep. Are they forcing it down others throats? Not when they are on you side, and not when they are expressing Just feelings.
I want you treated fairly also, which means I am for partner registry. Hopefully Buttars ability to push that through will be weakened and fairness will come.
If not, the courts will strike it down.
Good Luck.
They want buttars out, they are not mindless sheep. Are they forcing it down others throats? Not when they are on you side, and not when they are expressing Just feelings.
I want you treated fairly also, which means I am for partner registry. Hopefully Buttars ability to push that through will be weakened and fairness will come.
If not, the courts will strike it down.
Good Luck.
Anonymous | 8:16 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Chavez hitler castro stalin, were communists and socialist which is the far left
of the spectrum. NOT THE RIGHT!
These are people who kill people, jail people, and would otherwise do anything shutdown the voice of disagreement with them.
EXACTLY like what the liberal facist are doing on this forum.
They take a good man. twisted his words, say any unsubstantiated thing about him to bring him down, and shutdown his conservative voice.
You see this everywhere, even at many colleges, the liberal facists will protest and do anything to stop a conservative voice, while dictators and liberal facists like the the leader of iran or chavez are welcomed with open arms by them.
And sharpton was wrong it was middle easterners,and arabs developing math and sciences building great buildings also the far east asians were doing alot. NOT the subsaharan blacks. No one would go to egypt and mistake them for blacks. And apparently sharpton doesn't like gays either.
You people are so full of hate.
These are people who kill people, jail people, and would otherwise do anything shutdown the voice of disagreement with them.
EXACTLY like what the liberal facist are doing on this forum.
They take a good man. twisted his words, say any unsubstantiated thing about him to bring him down, and shutdown his conservative voice.
You see this everywhere, even at many colleges, the liberal facists will protest and do anything to stop a conservative voice, while dictators and liberal facists like the the leader of iran or chavez are welcomed with open arms by them.
And sharpton was wrong it was middle easterners,and arabs developing math and sciences building great buildings also the far east asians were doing alot. NOT the subsaharan blacks. No one would go to egypt and mistake them for blacks. And apparently sharpton doesn't like gays either.
You people are so full of hate.
Facist Liberals per Goldberg | 9:02 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Ya know anon there, I could not figure out where you were coming from so I did
some research for you...
Liberal Fascism Explained
By Amanda Busse | January 16, 2008
Conservative commentator Jonah Goldberg is tired of being called a fascist. In his latest book, Liberal Fascism, he fights back against the term that those on the right are often saddled with, reminding readers that the original fascists leaned more toward the left.
Goldberg, the editor-at-large for National Review Online, argues in his book that fascism under Benito Mussolini and Nazism under Adolf Hitler came from the same intellectual source as Progressivism, the birth-mother of American liberalism. The term �liberal fascism� comes from a speech made by author H. G. Wells when he told a group of Young Liberals at Oxford that Progressives must become �liberal fascists� and �enlightened Nazis.�
�I�m not saying today�s liberals are Hitler�s cousins,� Goldberg said at his first discussion of the book held at the Heritage Foundation. �They�re more like his grand-niece once removed.�
So an editor for the National Review wants to revise history, so we all need to change everythig.
I'm conservative and proud of what it really means.
Liberal Fascism Explained
By Amanda Busse | January 16, 2008
Conservative commentator Jonah Goldberg is tired of being called a fascist. In his latest book, Liberal Fascism, he fights back against the term that those on the right are often saddled with, reminding readers that the original fascists leaned more toward the left.
Goldberg, the editor-at-large for National Review Online, argues in his book that fascism under Benito Mussolini and Nazism under Adolf Hitler came from the same intellectual source as Progressivism, the birth-mother of American liberalism. The term �liberal fascism� comes from a speech made by author H. G. Wells when he told a group of Young Liberals at Oxford that Progressives must become �liberal fascists� and �enlightened Nazis.�
�I�m not saying today�s liberals are Hitler�s cousins,� Goldberg said at his first discussion of the book held at the Heritage Foundation. �They�re more like his grand-niece once removed.�
So an editor for the National Review wants to revise history, so we all need to change everythig.
I'm conservative and proud of what it really means.
re:Anonymous poster | 9:10 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Hey, could you go deeper into all of your liberal facism and liberal hate, and
how Sharpton hates Gays etc.
I was going to watch TV, but your last couple posts have got to be better than American Idol.
I was going to watch TV, but your last couple posts have got to be better than American Idol.
wow | 10:17 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
i am a african american teenager in utah and have experienced racism all of my
life growing up in this state. You would not understand that it is racism if you
have never experienced it your self. I thought the times were changing and
people got over the whole race era and judged people by what comes out of a
persons mouth. I guess i was wrong and still today i know that utah as a
majority is racist and that is why i am leaving this state and moving to a city
that is not in the 60's .
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