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Jehovah's Witnesses are fastest-growing U.S. faith; LDS are fourth-largest U.S. faith
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A Warning..... | 10:37 a.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Any church that claims to have the "most truth", "only
truth" etc can be dangerous. So, in their theory, the many billions of
people that have lived on this earth are not "saved" or "going to
heaven" because they didn't know or didn't join their church?
This is ridiculous! A loving God would not have those requirements. Just think
a little and use common sense.
It doesn't matter what the "growth rate" of any of these churches are....they will not last. Intelligent thinking people won't support them and if they do, most will eventually leave (as I have.)
It doesn't matter what the "growth rate" of any of these churches are....they will not last. Intelligent thinking people won't support them and if they do, most will eventually leave (as I have.)
Marie Paterson | 10:58 a.m. Feb. 19, 2008
I heard so many negative things about JWs but I worked with people who seemed to
be more happy than any one I knew. One day I asked what they believed. I was
stunned - never knew the Bible contained such a promise of a heavenly
government. So negative comments keep coming but the wise will listen for
themselves.
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To Rich | 11:22 a.m. Feb. 19, 2008
The church does document it contributions. You've just never read them.
Ignorance is not a good reason for makingn unwarranted comments.
This is getting droll.
This is getting droll.
MikeZane | 11:28 a.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Whenever I see articles about JWs, I smile. I was one, left, and returned, not
because I felt pressured or trapped but because I truly felt it was the truth.
I have seen a few comments about folks who say you can't leave. Sure you
can. It is a choice, and choice is a God given gift. I exercised my choice to
leave, and then later to return.
I also find myself baffled because of the anger it brings out in other people. If you don't agree, that is your choice, and you are free to make it. But to be so angry, that seems foolish. Have a civilized conversation, discuss different points of view, and then agree to disagree. Isn't that what a mature person does?
Another thing I have noted is the 'this is a tip of the iceberg', 'this group should have been disbanded a long time ago', and other similar comments. That makes me think of Acts 5:34-39. If you are reading this post, please take a moment and read it. Ask yourself, which group do I fall into?
I also find myself baffled because of the anger it brings out in other people. If you don't agree, that is your choice, and you are free to make it. But to be so angry, that seems foolish. Have a civilized conversation, discuss different points of view, and then agree to disagree. Isn't that what a mature person does?
Another thing I have noted is the 'this is a tip of the iceberg', 'this group should have been disbanded a long time ago', and other similar comments. That makes me think of Acts 5:34-39. If you are reading this post, please take a moment and read it. Ask yourself, which group do I fall into?
California Transplant | 11:37 a.m. Feb. 19, 2008
We're all children of the same God, with different qualities, right?
Shamrock | 11:37 a.m. Feb. 19, 2008
I can't believe anyone is gullible enough to believe the statistics given
by the LDS and JW's. Not that I have anything against either church, but
ANY organization is going to say it has more members than it really does
(Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, . . . ). So why doesn't someone take a
census of ALIVE-ACTIVE-ATTENDING members?
To: A Warning ... | 11:53 a.m. Feb. 19, 2008
You pose a valid concern about churches or religions believing they have the
"only truth" and billions of people that are not "saved" in
their thinking.
I didn't think about this when I grew up a member of a church that claimed it was the only "true church." Then I learned of another that claimed the same thing, and everyone had to fulfill the same requirements to reach heaven.
The difference was, everyone would have the same fair chance - before the final judgment - to meet those requirements as stated by the Lord. And I was told I could ask the Lord if all this was true. I did and I believe He answered in the affirmative.
I don't mind when people claim their religion is the true one, but the problem is when they expect others to just believe them and take it for granted. And when an LDS person does this, it's even worse. We do that person and the Lord a disservice if we don't him or her approach God, the source of all truth.
I didn't think about this when I grew up a member of a church that claimed it was the only "true church." Then I learned of another that claimed the same thing, and everyone had to fulfill the same requirements to reach heaven.
The difference was, everyone would have the same fair chance - before the final judgment - to meet those requirements as stated by the Lord. And I was told I could ask the Lord if all this was true. I did and I believe He answered in the affirmative.
I don't mind when people claim their religion is the true one, but the problem is when they expect others to just believe them and take it for granted. And when an LDS person does this, it's even worse. We do that person and the Lord a disservice if we don't him or her approach God, the source of all truth.
Random Commentator | 12:29 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
I agree with utwingnut. Who cares? Numbers don't prove or disprove
anything. Just go to whatever church you believe is right - whether a billion
other people go to it or you're the only member. Or don't go to
church at all. That's the great thing about this country. (Is the
highest-grossing movie always the best movie?)
Inactive for life and loving it | 12:55 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
I believe the activity level in the LDS church is some where around 30 percent.
With roughley 13 million members that leave is just under 4 million active
members. The real study should be why did 9 million members become inactive.
My guess is most of them took their blinders off and saw the light. Goodbye
Mike | 1:04 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
The greatest blessing that comes from all of this information is that people of
faith are evangelizing and trying to bring people to a stronger, more resolved
faith. I am a journalist at BYU and I know the efforts that are put into
finding information and stats - nothing was intentionally manipulated or
changed. Also, religious faiths count their converts by baptisms. Look at the
Catholic church - they baptize their infants and how many of them come to
church? Please be less ignorant.
Anonymous | 1:12 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
One way or another I will be saved. I was baptized both Catholic and Mormon. I am just waiting for some divine revelation so that I know which church is the true church.
Ivan- math | 1:27 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
The math doesn't add up here and the article is misleading. The article
should state that the JW Church has the highest percentage increase, not the
fastest growing. The LDS Church still growing at a more rapid rate.
Its simple the JW's increase its membership 2.56 %. This comes to about a 23,000 member increase in the US. The LDS Church increased its membership by 1.56%. This comes to about 89,000 members in the US.
Its simple the JW's increase its membership 2.56 %. This comes to about a 23,000 member increase in the US. The LDS Church increased its membership by 1.56%. This comes to about 89,000 members in the US.
Jerry | 3:21 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
I think the best thing that could possibly happen is for the inactive numbers to
reach 90% or higher. That is because true activity in the Mormon Church is
really HYPER-activity, and it corresponds to FANATICISM.
The worst thing in the world is religious fanaticism. Just look at the news, and read history, and you will see that religious fanaticism is an evil thing.
Or, just look at these comments and you will notice a trend. People who have gone inactive were tired of the judgmental, intolerant, "actives" who ostracized them, treated them as if they were sub-human, and what not. Others left the Church (or went inactive) because the "opened their eyes" and learned how fanatic, irrational, and unreasonable the doctrines were.
This shows my point: actives lack tolerance because they are fanatic. Inactives leave because of this fanaticism - the entire package of fanaticism that includes the fanatic doctrines, the intolerant people, and the unsustainable lifestyle requirements.
Inactive are more likely to be temperate and reasonable; "actives" are more likely to be fanatic and to call temperate belief "lukewarm" and "uncommitted". But that is the very fanaticism that is so dangerous.
The worst thing in the world is religious fanaticism. Just look at the news, and read history, and you will see that religious fanaticism is an evil thing.
Or, just look at these comments and you will notice a trend. People who have gone inactive were tired of the judgmental, intolerant, "actives" who ostracized them, treated them as if they were sub-human, and what not. Others left the Church (or went inactive) because the "opened their eyes" and learned how fanatic, irrational, and unreasonable the doctrines were.
This shows my point: actives lack tolerance because they are fanatic. Inactives leave because of this fanaticism - the entire package of fanaticism that includes the fanatic doctrines, the intolerant people, and the unsustainable lifestyle requirements.
Inactive are more likely to be temperate and reasonable; "actives" are more likely to be fanatic and to call temperate belief "lukewarm" and "uncommitted". But that is the very fanaticism that is so dangerous.
Doug | 4:08 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Numbers are numbers, Who cares? The church that you decide to attend is the
right church for you. If you are happy with your religion and brings you peace
and confort that's all it matters.
Bubba | 4:26 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
One million Jehovah Witnesses? Somewhere in the back of my mind is a comment
that they were never supposed to go past 144,000. Wonder how they got around
that one? More power to them.
To Elder Haynes | 4:53 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
I well remember an interview that President Hinkley did at the end of Decemeber
2004 by Larry King. He was being interviewed as the President AND Prophet of the
LDS Church. At the end of the interview Larry asked him (as a Prophet) what he
saw for the year 2005, which turned out to be "the year of natural
disasters." President Hinkley said that he sees a year of
peace................ Three days later the worse disaster in Asian history where
hundreds of thousands lost their lives. 2005 had the worse natural disasters on
record. My question is this, if the Prophet cant get it right, how can we???
(Naturally you will say that he wasnt talking as a Prophet, etc, etc.)
A garbageman | 6:19 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
For the last 5,000 years of recorded history, all troubles in the world stated,
directly or indirectly, due too religion, which by the way offers hope to the
hopeless and serves as the opium for the masses
ramel | 6:49 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
TO HAHA: ARE YOU REALLY JW?
IF SO YOU ARE OPPOSITE OF JW'S I MET.
THEY ARE HUMBLE PERSONS AND YOU ARE NOT.
IF SO YOU ARE OPPOSITE OF JW'S I MET.
THEY ARE HUMBLE PERSONS AND YOU ARE NOT.
TO JENNIE 8:37 FEB 16 | 7:02 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
ISNT THAT WHAT YOU WANT THE LDS MISSIONARIES DO, GO DOOR TO DOOR IN
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE PREDOMINANTLY NON LDS??? WOW.... PRACTICE WHAT YOU
PREACH!!!! YOU ARE AN IDIOT AND I THINK MOST LDS WOULD AGREE THAT IS NOT HOW YOU
SHOULD TREAT PEOPLE..AND REMEMBER NARROW IS THE WAY TO LIFE AND THERE ARE FEW
THAT FIND IT...MATT 7:14
Geoff | 9:31 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
I am not a JW. I will say, that of all of the JW's I have ever associated
with, they walk their talk. I do not agree with their understanding of
scripture, but they live good lives and are good people. I am comfortable being
their neighbor. Keep up the good work.
Elder Haynes, Sr. Missionary | 10:29 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Portion of the transcript from that 2004 interview:
KING: What can you tell us - what about 2005?
HINCKLEY: 2005, I think, is going to be a good year. I'm optimistic. I think that we can look forward with hope and faith. I hope there'll be a resolution of the Iraq situation. I earnestly hope so. I hope that the economy will be good. And I hope that there will be peace across the world.
Even prophets can hope. It is one of the hallmarks of Christianity: Faith, Hope and Charity.
And yes, whenever he or his predecessors or those that come after, speak of things pertaining to our eternal salvation they speak as prophets. Now, perhaps in the back yard having a picnic with the grandkids...
So why don't we all try a little charity in this post and see if it might cheer us up.
KING: What can you tell us - what about 2005?
HINCKLEY: 2005, I think, is going to be a good year. I'm optimistic. I think that we can look forward with hope and faith. I hope there'll be a resolution of the Iraq situation. I earnestly hope so. I hope that the economy will be good. And I hope that there will be peace across the world.
Even prophets can hope. It is one of the hallmarks of Christianity: Faith, Hope and Charity.
And yes, whenever he or his predecessors or those that come after, speak of things pertaining to our eternal salvation they speak as prophets. Now, perhaps in the back yard having a picnic with the grandkids...
So why don't we all try a little charity in this post and see if it might cheer us up.
Chad | 11:23 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
I'm glad for them that their religion is growing and that people are
finding happiness in it. Really, I think that is what it all about; finding your
path in life to become a better person.
Also, @ a garbageman: Humans and their choices are the cause of human suffering, not any institution, religious or otherwise. Nor is it the opiate of the masses as Karl Marx put it. Television is :)
Also, @ a garbageman: Humans and their choices are the cause of human suffering, not any institution, religious or otherwise. Nor is it the opiate of the masses as Karl Marx put it. Television is :)
Prophets Who Don't Prophecy | 11:43 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
Maybe there is just nothing left to prophecy about but I'm not sure I
remember the last time I heard an LDS Prophet say anything prophetic.
Lot's of "I hope", "I think", "I'm not sure
we teach that". Even the occassional press-stoppers - only one earring, no
gambling and no flip flops in church. I mean, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young
probably went way overboard prophecying at every turn but modern prophets tend
to be administrators. I also don't remember a prophet in my lifetime claim
to have seen so much as an angel. President Monson talked about feeling the
spirit upon being called. Times have changed in many ways. I honestly think if
any of us were to go back in time and visit a ward in the 1800s we probably
would not recognize a thing we saw or heard - and vice versa. I guess I thought
the one true Church would have some consistency throughout its short existence.
But it seems to have simply been an exercise in constant change and revision.
Read the Bible | 11:53 p.m. Feb. 19, 2008
By their fruits, you will know them....
Jay Dubzz | 1:38 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Hey, ya know what? I'm LDS, but I gotta hand it to these Jehova's
Witnesses. I mean, that is some really great work their doing! Keep it up, bros!
(And sisses). You guys (and gals) help make the world good. And you must be
burnin' some serious shoe leather! Yowza!
grateful | 5:51 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
I have the blessings of being LDS and all that has been restored and goes with
that. Having said this, I am delighted by the article on the growing churches
in the U.S. I am saddened by the deterioting standards and choices we read
about our citizens of the great country making - families falling apart,
murders, suicides, fraud schemes,immorality rampant,trend for unwed mothers,
etc. To see there are actually "religious seeking" people wanting to
choose the better life - I applaud them!
Why can't we be grateful for the good we are seeing in ANYONE that chooses to follow a religious creed? Why are we treating this information from the article as a challenge that we have to defend our own religion and its converts and our/their numbers?
I think we have already forgotten our past wonderful leader and prophet - President Gordon B. Hinckley asked us to be a little kinder, a little gentler towards our fellow beings.
Why can't we be grateful for the good we are seeing in ANYONE that chooses to follow a religious creed? Why are we treating this information from the article as a challenge that we have to defend our own religion and its converts and our/their numbers?
I think we have already forgotten our past wonderful leader and prophet - President Gordon B. Hinckley asked us to be a little kinder, a little gentler towards our fellow beings.
re: Read the Bible | 6:48 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
EXCELLENT IDEA.
READ YOUR BIBLE.
START WITH HEBREWS.
READ YOUR BIBLE.
START WITH HEBREWS.
144,000 = Me | 9:33 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Glad to see that our Church, and people like me that are privileged enough to
be in the 144,000, are winning the war of converts.
The JW Church is the best church on this planet.
The JW Church is the best church on this planet.
Bubba | 10:08 a.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Those who don't believe in numbers obviously have nothing else to believe
in. Who cares?
Pay attention, how many people are in this country right now? Do you believe it or not? Whether you do or don't is immaterial. What you believe and what is reality will never collide.
Pay attention, how many people are in this country right now? Do you believe it or not? Whether you do or don't is immaterial. What you believe and what is reality will never collide.
e smith | 12:10 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
Being way late to this board, my comments will likely never see the light of
day, But I would profer a couple of questions.
1.If you are an active member of the LDS Church, you know the stats on inactive members. Get to work.
2. If you do not believe in the Mormon faith, why do you care what the numbers are of if the numbers are right or wrong?
3. How do you quantify "active?" If sheer attendance is the measuring stick, there are other huge churches whose numbers are far more inflated thasn the mormons (Catholics who attend only Easter and Christmas?) This is no slam, it just points out the foolishness of trying to quantify faithfulness.
4. Why do some folks alway find a way to denigrate anyone and anything with which they do not agree, especially religion?
Perhaps the most interesting question on this board was, "How many members belong to the church of Satan?"
1.If you are an active member of the LDS Church, you know the stats on inactive members. Get to work.
2. If you do not believe in the Mormon faith, why do you care what the numbers are of if the numbers are right or wrong?
3. How do you quantify "active?" If sheer attendance is the measuring stick, there are other huge churches whose numbers are far more inflated thasn the mormons (Catholics who attend only Easter and Christmas?) This is no slam, it just points out the foolishness of trying to quantify faithfulness.
4. Why do some folks alway find a way to denigrate anyone and anything with which they do not agree, especially religion?
Perhaps the most interesting question on this board was, "How many members belong to the church of Satan?"
Hey j dub | 1:25 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
I know everyone bashes on mormon retention rates but how many of those people
you converted this year will stay converted? What are your retention rates?
Mormons and JWs | 2:10 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
We can tell the hearts of the majority of the Mormons and JWs by reading their
postings here.
Yes, there are that have more spiritual nature in them, just like there are spiritual people who are atheists, I know because I had a roommate that was like that, but the majority of the people who have been posting here are not.
So, just judge yourselves, whether you like the sounds of the Mormons, or the sounds of the JWs, and see whether that's how you'd like to become by joining their religion, by their fruits, as the scripture says.
As for me, I do not want to become like either of them.
To go to school and take Geologist you don't become an Accountant at graduation. When you take Dentistry, you don't graduate with a degree in Culinary.
You get what you seek after, and certainly knowing what the Mormon's have become, I certainly don't want to turn out like them, it really scares me when I think about it.
It's not just the Mormons though, it's pretty much all religion.
Yes, there are that have more spiritual nature in them, just like there are spiritual people who are atheists, I know because I had a roommate that was like that, but the majority of the people who have been posting here are not.
So, just judge yourselves, whether you like the sounds of the Mormons, or the sounds of the JWs, and see whether that's how you'd like to become by joining their religion, by their fruits, as the scripture says.
As for me, I do not want to become like either of them.
To go to school and take Geologist you don't become an Accountant at graduation. When you take Dentistry, you don't graduate with a degree in Culinary.
You get what you seek after, and certainly knowing what the Mormon's have become, I certainly don't want to turn out like them, it really scares me when I think about it.
It's not just the Mormons though, it's pretty much all religion.
David | 7:36 p.m. Feb. 20, 2008
The number for Witnesses do not reflect the latest percentage increase and
figures. The 2008 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses show a figure 1,087,005,
or a 3 percent increase from the previous year. The US figure, however,
excludes the 8,164 active members from Hawaii (Witnesses count Hawaii separately
since that tropical island has it's own Watchtower branch office that
manages the preaching work there). The total count of Witnesses is extremely
conservative. It does only includes those that have reported their preaching
work. A typical congregation can have over 250 regurlary attending meetings,
but only 100 publishers (active preaching members). In fact, in the US over 2
million attend Witness meetings regularly.
Anonymous | 12:59 a.m. Feb. 21, 2008
Mormons and JWs:
You are painting with quite a broad brush. It is silly to think that these posts represent a majority of Mormons or JWs. You need to learn about statistical bias before you come to simplistic conclusions and post them on a comment board. Posters on comment boards have strong opinions, usually negative, and are much more likely to post than the "average" person.
I believe that part of overcoming bigotry in society is learning to think through issues intelligently instead of resorting to knee-jerk reactions, such as you have done. The fact is that most people are good. Some are bad. The bad ones tend to make more noise.
Just some food for thought.
You are painting with quite a broad brush. It is silly to think that these posts represent a majority of Mormons or JWs. You need to learn about statistical bias before you come to simplistic conclusions and post them on a comment board. Posters on comment boards have strong opinions, usually negative, and are much more likely to post than the "average" person.
I believe that part of overcoming bigotry in society is learning to think through issues intelligently instead of resorting to knee-jerk reactions, such as you have done. The fact is that most people are good. Some are bad. The bad ones tend to make more noise.
Just some food for thought.
Oolala | 9:25 a.m. Feb. 21, 2008
Many are called FEW are chosen..
NOT many are being saved..
only) EIGHT souls survived the deluge..
FEW are those on the road to life..
I called Israel not because you were great..
David the most insignificant..
Many stopped following him..(after being told they must eat his body)
It's works that count not numbers
NOT many are being saved..
only) EIGHT souls survived the deluge..
FEW are those on the road to life..
I called Israel not because you were great..
David the most insignificant..
Many stopped following him..(after being told they must eat his body)
It's works that count not numbers
no comment | 12:13 p.m. Feb. 21, 2008
if you want to get into stats or judge religious truths, face this one fact,
this is the time of the end and all are involved, jehovah witnesses at least
speak on the warnings and a hope, and they do make changes not for the better
reward of themselves, but for the betterment of the people who they try to
reach.. they said noah was crazy when he built an ark, and preached
rightousness.. well with all the arguments and rhetoric,, remember this fact...
only one almighty power closed the door of that ark, it wasn't the
pope,budda,or any idol, nor was it some clown in the mountains of utah... you
call him what you want to call him the one who closed the door was jah jehovah
or whatever makes you comfortable.... stop fighting jehovah witnesses and stats
and start reading your bible for the truth, that's what christ jesus said
that would set you free..... wake up people the end is here not
near!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
US Census | 2:48 p.m. Feb. 21, 2008
According to the US Census, JWs understate their numbers. The US Census says
that some 1.3 million people claim to be JWs. While JWs only admit to there
being 1.0 million. That is a difference of 300,000 people. Remember the Census
was taken years ago.
The Mormons are the most shocking. They have claimed 5.0 million for some time in the US. But the US Census states there is only half as many.
If the US Census is true, that would mean that the Mormon Church only has 10 million members at best--not including how many they overstate in other countries.
In actuality there may be less Mormons in the world than Jehovah's Witnesses or not much more.
The Mormons are the most shocking. They have claimed 5.0 million for some time in the US. But the US Census states there is only half as many.
If the US Census is true, that would mean that the Mormon Church only has 10 million members at best--not including how many they overstate in other countries.
In actuality there may be less Mormons in the world than Jehovah's Witnesses or not much more.
What LDS Website Says | 3:00 p.m. Feb. 21, 2008
"According to the National Council of Churches, The Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints is the second-fastest-growing church in the United States.
However, despite its increasing numbers, the Church cautions against
overemphasis on growth statistics. The Church makes no statistical comparisons
with other churches and makes no claim to be the fastest-growing Christian
denomination despite frequent news media comments to that effect. Such
comparisons rarely take account of a multiplicity of complex factors, including
activity rates and death rates, the methodology used in registering or counting
members and what factors constitute membership. Growth rates also vary
significantly across the world. Additionally, many other factors contribute to
the strength of the Church, most especially the devotion and commitment of its
members. "
Alex | 3:30 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Had some contact with Jehovah's Witness. I started to read other
publications about the group. This group could not stand up to my questions.
Left after a few years. No wonder the WT organization discourages people from
getting 'accurate information'. They can't stand up to the heat.
DollarBill | 10:40 a.m. Feb. 24, 2008
Yes folks the news is right .Aside from our detractors
we are actively growing and becoming stronger each year.When I became a Witness 20 years ago there were barely 3 million ,now 7 million -the facts are the facts . Please remember people the numbers are ONLY active ,preaching members not the pew sitters and people that profess a faith .The churches of Christendom count babies,people who show up once a year at Christmas and funerals NOT active ,involved members.
The reason JW's are growing is Bible truth and God's spirit .There are so many people that are misinformed spouting off on what we believe I say ask one of Jehovah's witnesses what they believe and get it right from the source .
we are actively growing and becoming stronger each year.When I became a Witness 20 years ago there were barely 3 million ,now 7 million -the facts are the facts . Please remember people the numbers are ONLY active ,preaching members not the pew sitters and people that profess a faith .The churches of Christendom count babies,people who show up once a year at Christmas and funerals NOT active ,involved members.
The reason JW's are growing is Bible truth and God's spirit .There are so many people that are misinformed spouting off on what we believe I say ask one of Jehovah's witnesses what they believe and get it right from the source .
Maria Rilke | 2:46 a.m. Feb. 25, 2008
Why are all the people on this site TOTALLY ignoring the fact that just ONE
denomination of a predominately African American church (Church of God in
Christ) is LARGER than the entire U.S. population of Mormons?
Isn't that interesting to any of you? Or does it disturb your world view that LDS is more huge and powerful than it actually is?
Isn't that interesting to any of you? Or does it disturb your world view that LDS is more huge and powerful than it actually is?
Jenny | 6:30 a.m. Feb. 25, 2008
There are many many unhappy ex jehovah's Witnesses who have gone on to
other things and are not posting here.
Jenny | 6:31 a.m. Feb. 25, 2008
Jehovah's Witnesses leaders do not allow dissent they kick out
(disfellowship) anyone who is not 'happy'.
Neat trick eh?
Neat trick eh?
poocee | 12:23 p.m. Feb. 25, 2008
JWs do not include in their counting members who have been disfellowshiped in
previous years, nor do they include inactive members, nor members who do not
hand fill an activity card, nor members who are infirm or too aged to preach,
nor unregistered
affiliats that attend their meetings nor infants.
It the did they would have double the amount of members that they now say they have.
affiliats that attend their meetings nor infants.
It the did they would have double the amount of members that they now say they have.
Steve | 2:51 p.m. Feb. 25, 2008
Well interesting to see everyones stance, but I am personally a JW and truly
believe in it, it is not a sect nor nothing like many have mentioned above. I am
a only 27, but I must say that the Bible does clearly state many prophecies that
are coming to light, and when the end of all Religon comes to an end and JW are
the ones standing Strong and Tall...You will then see Jehova's hand in
Action to defend us!
It is sad to say, but the reason there is much anger and false statements towards us, is simple.
Satan is blinding those who want to see the truth, he doesn't want that..he rather make sure he can take as many as he can with him to DEATH.
Many will soon see the truth, but it will be too late to do anything about it then.
End of Religon is near that is the start of of all signs and pain to come.
I am happy to be a JW and I hope many of you can investigate further and not be blinded by Satans ways
It is sad to say, but the reason there is much anger and false statements towards us, is simple.
Satan is blinding those who want to see the truth, he doesn't want that..he rather make sure he can take as many as he can with him to DEATH.
Many will soon see the truth, but it will be too late to do anything about it then.
End of Religon is near that is the start of of all signs and pain to come.
I am happy to be a JW and I hope many of you can investigate further and not be blinded by Satans ways
reader | 7:13 a.m. Feb. 26, 2008
Reports all over the news wires from TIME Magazine-""An even more
extreme example of what might be called "masked churn" is the
relatively tiny Jehovah's Witnesses, with a turnover rate of about
two-thirds.
That means that two-thirds of the people who told Pew they were raised Jehovah's Witnesses no longer are � yet the group attracts roughly the same number of converts. Notes Lugo, "No wonder they have to keep on knocking on doors."
WOW!
That means that two-thirds of the people who told Pew they were raised Jehovah's Witnesses no longer are � yet the group attracts roughly the same number of converts. Notes Lugo, "No wonder they have to keep on knocking on doors."
WOW!
RV | 10:21 a.m. Feb. 26, 2008
Do you think Jesus and his disciples sat around worrying if the pagan religions
of their time were counting their members accurately. Mat 28:19,20 should be
every Christians focus. God will take care of everythng else.
Kim Saul | 6:11 p.m. Feb. 29, 2008
Jehovahs Witnesses are a world wide organization in 236 lands and 400 languages
made of 101376 conggregations 12494 in the USA you can find a Kingdom Hall in
nearly every city in the USA , we study the bible and learn how to teach other
people about the bible at our meetings we have five each week ,all 101376
conggregations are 100% united if you live in Denver Co you can go to Japan an
learn the same thing , we are not a cult a cult follows a man we worship God and
Jehovah is the name of God
mike | 6:00 p.m. March 1, 2008
Was Jesus, his disciples, or any of the apostals JW, LDS, Mormon, or whatever?
Or did they just want the "church" to be unified.
"Religion" regardless of what you call it, or claim about it, is
MAN-MADE and therefore imperfect. Try reading the Bible, for a change, by
yourselves, and get off the religion kick. You all sound more like guys in bars
talking about their favorite football teams.
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