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Roland Kayser | 2:10 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
To all of you who vote republican because of abortion, let me point out a few
facts: A Republican has been president for 20 of the last 28 years. Seven of
the nine Supreme Court justices have been republican appointees since the early
nineties. Republicans controlled both houses of congress for most of
Bush's presidency. Abortion is still legal. It is an issue the
Republicans trot out every election to get your votes, but as soon as the
election is over they forget all about it. Surveys show 65% of Americans
opposed to overturing Roe, and the Republicans don't have the guts to go
against the wishes of 65% of the voters. If you vote Republican solely on
abortion , you are being plyed for a chump.
Independent Dem. | 2:42 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
I'm inclined and was hoping that Hillary Clinton would begin a decided
pulling out front by now..., but two things have worked against that...
Obama's 'outsider' standing as a non-Beltway candidate and the
lying machine of the neo-Con Republicans effect on the malfactual perceptions
that have been leveled at Hillary since 1992, of which a close investigation of
these allegations will prove them to be as untruthful and misrepresentative of
the facts as the Swiftboat crap was about Kerry (which was proven beyond a
shadow of doubt to be lies, subterfuge and slander).
Even so, Obama is also a fine choice should the nomination go his direction, especially if Clinton agrees to be his running mate, then we would get the best of new blood and experience on a Democrat ticket. It's possible that the Democrat power brokers are seeing Obama as not carrying the Republican liar baggage and hence being more electable among the general voting population, and that Clinton being the VP choice would be reasonable and acceptable to the voters. so...
OBAMA & CLINTON - 2008! It's a winning combination and would finally put this nation back on a rational, accountable, constitutionally directed path to economic stability!
Even so, Obama is also a fine choice should the nomination go his direction, especially if Clinton agrees to be his running mate, then we would get the best of new blood and experience on a Democrat ticket. It's possible that the Democrat power brokers are seeing Obama as not carrying the Republican liar baggage and hence being more electable among the general voting population, and that Clinton being the VP choice would be reasonable and acceptable to the voters. so...
OBAMA & CLINTON - 2008! It's a winning combination and would finally put this nation back on a rational, accountable, constitutionally directed path to economic stability!
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imagine | 2:45 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Wouldn't it be wonderful to see the day when a person's personal and
private action lies soley with themselves and their God?
Michael-New Zealand | 2:54 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Mr Obama will make an interesting leader for the USA and the World as a whole,
he will offer freshness of new ideas and ideals that will bring hope and renewed
interest in "Americans ideals".
His job will be to focus on safety and freedom for all of mankind, with Gods help he can lay new foundational understandings for peoples of the World. With great support from his assistants and the American public much can be achieved; afterall his a white man and a black man all united in one with the hope of everyone! Thomas Jefferson would be pleased view this achievement in the making!
His job will be to focus on safety and freedom for all of mankind, with Gods help he can lay new foundational understandings for peoples of the World. With great support from his assistants and the American public much can be achieved; afterall his a white man and a black man all united in one with the hope of everyone! Thomas Jefferson would be pleased view this achievement in the making!
Hey biggots | 3:07 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Obama is Christian. And I thought it wasn't nice to not vote for someone
because of their faith?
Independent Dem. | 3:08 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Dear Imagine,
AMEN!
A person's personal life and private actions should be between them and their God only. Politics should be and ever remain the bastion of secular issues, which economics, national security, etc., etc. land squarely in.
The only reason a person's personal life and private actions are laundered to the public, attacked and maligned is because those who meddle in a person's personal life and private actions either have nothing more noteworthy to spend their time doing, or are so wrapped up in their own self-important righteousness that they have lost sight of reality and attempted to impose their own warped sense of reality on the system.
We need to never forget that the Founding Fathers to the constitutional convention of this nation were very randi concerning their personal lives and indiscretions, even the clergy! They kept their noses out of each other's affairs and dealt with the issues of the Nation.
Maybe the media and politicians need to take a holiday from their endeavors. I believe the nation would be better for it and it would also clarify just how crazy things have become.
AMEN!
A person's personal life and private actions should be between them and their God only. Politics should be and ever remain the bastion of secular issues, which economics, national security, etc., etc. land squarely in.
The only reason a person's personal life and private actions are laundered to the public, attacked and maligned is because those who meddle in a person's personal life and private actions either have nothing more noteworthy to spend their time doing, or are so wrapped up in their own self-important righteousness that they have lost sight of reality and attempted to impose their own warped sense of reality on the system.
We need to never forget that the Founding Fathers to the constitutional convention of this nation were very randi concerning their personal lives and indiscretions, even the clergy! They kept their noses out of each other's affairs and dealt with the issues of the Nation.
Maybe the media and politicians need to take a holiday from their endeavors. I believe the nation would be better for it and it would also clarify just how crazy things have become.
Cracker | 3:15 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Many are asking what has Obama accomplished, why is he so special, whats on his
resume, etc.
WHO CARE's. George Bush and Bill Clinton had impressive resume's and look where it's gotten us.
Obama's has got charisma similar to Reagan and Kennedy. I like a President with Rock Star attributes.
WHO CARE's. George Bush and Bill Clinton had impressive resume's and look where it's gotten us.
Obama's has got charisma similar to Reagan and Kennedy. I like a President with Rock Star attributes.
This is scary | 3:37 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
I can not believe all the people jumping in with Obama. He is a socialist just
like Hillary and McCain. Everyone is lining up with their hand out. A quote
from Benjamin Franklin comes to mind. It goes something like: Any society that
would give up a little liberty to gain a little security deserves neither and
will lose both.
Anonymous | 4:11 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Oh no! More socialist BS. (this time from This is scary 3:37).
No matter that our post office, police departments, fire departments, public schools, and military are all part of a socialized system.
This mode of thinking is what's scary.
Obama for President!
No matter that our post office, police departments, fire departments, public schools, and military are all part of a socialized system.
This mode of thinking is what's scary.
Obama for President!
Alex | 4:18 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Re: This is Scary - That same quote has also been used in giving up liberties in
the name of the war on terror.
Julian | 4:26 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
I don't understand why there is such sanguine optimism in the prospect of
Barry Obama as president. The only thing Obama has in common with
African-Americans is that he has a black, absentee father. His mother was an
eighteen year-old college student who got mixed up with a married African who
already had a child in Kenya. He deserted Obama and his mother at the first
opportunity.
In terms of Obama's life experience he is a privileged white boy who was sent to the most exclusive prep school in Hawaii and later to an expensive private college in Los Angeles. He came to the attention of political handlers when he was at Occidental and has been managed ever since. They have given him "black" bona fides like a summer job working in a Chicago ghetto and joining a "black" Christian church. He is a contrivance to fool the rubes. Instead of trying to figure out what he has done or what he stands for we should look closely at what his handlers have done and what they stand for - he is merely their front man.
In terms of Obama's life experience he is a privileged white boy who was sent to the most exclusive prep school in Hawaii and later to an expensive private college in Los Angeles. He came to the attention of political handlers when he was at Occidental and has been managed ever since. They have given him "black" bona fides like a summer job working in a Chicago ghetto and joining a "black" Christian church. He is a contrivance to fool the rubes. Instead of trying to figure out what he has done or what he stands for we should look closely at what his handlers have done and what they stand for - he is merely their front man.
Think | 4:47 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Obama or Billary Clinton will appoint liberal supreme court judges. That is not
good. I don't like McCain, but, I will go to the voting booth holding my
nose and vote for McCain only because, he will try, that is try, to appoint
conservative supreme court judges, and that is huge. These judges are appointed
for life; we can't vote them out of office. McCain is not my preferred
Repub choice, for sure, but I believe this nation can't afford liberal
judges in this nation's highest court. Thoughts?
Michael-New Zealand | 4:51 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
After managing both major American and New Zealand companies for 30 years and
being a strong promoter of the capitalist ideals I have learned that many so
called capitalists are promoters of self greed! And they steal from anyone and
everyone, those that work for them and those who invest with them and the nation
(USA and NZ) as a whole. Some socialists will do the same but a social minded
leader can practice Christian Ethics and good business ethics at the same time
just as some capitalist. America can spend more on its people and help their own
without feeling resentful of its under paid workers (USA one of the poorest
paying counties in the world now in real terms) Just ask people in the south and
midwest. USA health care for the workers and older folk and poor is frightening
!!!
As Mormons we know that Christian moral conduct is judged in terms of its goals and consequences! We are both a capitalist and socialist if we are our brothers keepers.
I look forward to America learning to love and care for its own again!!!
As Mormons we know that Christian moral conduct is judged in terms of its goals and consequences! We are both a capitalist and socialist if we are our brothers keepers.
I look forward to America learning to love and care for its own again!!!
Socialism, oh please | 4:53 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
How many of you who are afraid of government run social programs have ever used
WIC, school lunch programs, or government grants. Not to mention all the obvious
programs like the post office, police dept., etc. I know many a conservative
(young Mormon families) who have used all of these programs. Conservatives seem
to think it's just a matter of lazy people trying to mooch off the system.
Tell that to my neighbor, a stay at home mom of two boys (something revered by
most conservatives in these parts) whose husband worked full time for a small
company. Her husband's insurance cost them $600 a month. They could not
afford it so they canceled it. That's a lot of money for most families.
Most people don't want a free ride, they just want to be able to afford
necessary things like insurance and health care.
This is scary | 5:07 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Hmm... no one cares if we are becoming a socialist country. Interesting.
Guess I can learn to stick my hand out and baaaaa like a sheep.
Guess I can learn to stick my hand out and baaaaa like a sheep.
Confused | 5:14 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Anonymouse 4:11 - Not quite sure why having a post office, police department and
fire departments and public shools is a reason to hand over all control of our
lives to the federal government. The police department and fire departments are
not even run by the feds. Doing away with public schools would be fine by me,
let privatize them. A military is needed to protect ourselves and has been
since the beginning of this country. Having the governments hands in every part
of our lives in not the answer. The free market is.
L.B. | 5:23 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Scary: When you baaaaa like a sheep, at least you will be able to get
healthcare, instead of needing to live on the street. As Hilary's hopes
fade, so do the Republican hopes of uniting their party. Boo hoo!
socialism is already here - so? | 5:48 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
This is scary -
One more time:
Our post office is socialistic
Our fire departments are socialistic
Our police departments are socialistic
Our public schools are socialistic
Our military is socialistic
You must be talking about the movement to guarantee everybody quality medical care and of course, Rush Limbaugh and other radical right-wingers are once again playing political partisan games with some minds in their never-ending program of polarization.
One more time:
Our post office is socialistic
Our fire departments are socialistic
Our police departments are socialistic
Our public schools are socialistic
Our military is socialistic
You must be talking about the movement to guarantee everybody quality medical care and of course, Rush Limbaugh and other radical right-wingers are once again playing political partisan games with some minds in their never-ending program of polarization.
Anonymous | 5:47 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Confused -
"handing over our lives to the feds?"
The discussion was the demon socialism that radical right-wingers are whining about (medical treatment for all) is already here. Don't be duped by that bloated, paranoid bigot Limbaugh and the rest of those wacky John Birchers. It's how he makes a living.
"handing over our lives to the feds?"
The discussion was the demon socialism that radical right-wingers are whining about (medical treatment for all) is already here. Don't be duped by that bloated, paranoid bigot Limbaugh and the rest of those wacky John Birchers. It's how he makes a living.
my two cents | 5:47 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
anonymous 2:04, did you not read the rest of what I wrote? I did not say
Limbaugh was a moderate, I said there are actually some out on the far right
wing fringe that do make wind-bag, I mean Limbaugh look moderate. It's all
a matter of perspective, as I tried to say. Sorry for the confusion. Warn me
next time and I'll hold your hand all the way through my comment.
LDS law is socialism | 5:54 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Ask any Mormon about the Law of Consecration.
If they are honest with you they will tell you that this is a form of socialism, and it is okay with the saints. Google it into your browser and see for yourself exactly what it is.
The bizarre thing is that some of these same LDS people freak out when suggesting something so dastardly as socialized medical care. These people have been spending way too much time listening to the divisive radical right pundits who make a terrific living doing what they do.
If they are honest with you they will tell you that this is a form of socialism, and it is okay with the saints. Google it into your browser and see for yourself exactly what it is.
The bizarre thing is that some of these same LDS people freak out when suggesting something so dastardly as socialized medical care. These people have been spending way too much time listening to the divisive radical right pundits who make a terrific living doing what they do.
Anonymous | 6:47 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
my two cents -
thanks for the clarification
but you're going to have to hold your own hand and perhaps focus on what it is you are trying to communicate.
ps- sorry, but nobody can make Limbaugh appear moderate. He's farther right than Genghis Khan as are his crazy, adoring fans.
thanks for the clarification
but you're going to have to hold your own hand and perhaps focus on what it is you are trying to communicate.
ps- sorry, but nobody can make Limbaugh appear moderate. He's farther right than Genghis Khan as are his crazy, adoring fans.
A black man | 7:02 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
actually running for president in the U.S.!? I never thought I'd see the
day in my life time.
Justin | 7:05 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
There's a difference between the Law of Consecration and Socialism. One is
run by God's Word and one is run by politicians. Also, even with the Law
of Consecration, we have to be ready for it. If we weren't ready for it
under God's direction, what makes you think we'll be ready for it
under the direction of a politician? There's a HUGE difference between the
organization and administration of the LDS church and that of the country.
slow posts | 7:36 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
tithing 7:18. It's too bad the posts are so slow coming; I don't
think you saw Justin 7:05. Justin explains what you apparently don't
understand.
jfrazier | 10:57 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Tithing 7:18 p.m.
The problem I have with socialism is that while the rest of the world has learned that it simply does not work, we still continue to run headlong into it. When the masses come running with their hands out, and they can only be filled by draining the wealthy, we are in big trouble.
There is a big difference between tithing and socialism and it comes down to individual choice. I choose to pay tithing and if I don't like how it is being used, I stop. I only dream of the government taking 10%! The government on the other hand forces it upon you and before you know it you have no choice in the matter. Your comparison between the two is pretty lame, at best. The only real similarity is that in both cases the individual pays money.
The problem I have with socialism is that while the rest of the world has learned that it simply does not work, we still continue to run headlong into it. When the masses come running with their hands out, and they can only be filled by draining the wealthy, we are in big trouble.
There is a big difference between tithing and socialism and it comes down to individual choice. I choose to pay tithing and if I don't like how it is being used, I stop. I only dream of the government taking 10%! The government on the other hand forces it upon you and before you know it you have no choice in the matter. Your comparison between the two is pretty lame, at best. The only real similarity is that in both cases the individual pays money.
10% | 11:16 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
If the government only took 10% I would be fine with that ...
it�s the 30+% now I pay going to 50+% that
I�m worried about � the government
doesn�t love you and isn�t looking out
for your best interests ... government is about power and control ... I would
rather as much of that stay in the hands of the people.
This proposed nanny state you Dems are rushing towards isn�t the answer � wake up!
One other thing ... Super delegates ... what a fraud. You dems talk about fairness and equality ... what a joke! Hillary will bribe, extort and claw her way to the top ... you wait and see. The invention which is Obama will be defeated and the voice of you sheeple won�t be heard.
Problem is Republicans aren�t much better ... Leadership vacuum ... disappointing
This proposed nanny state you Dems are rushing towards isn�t the answer � wake up!
One other thing ... Super delegates ... what a fraud. You dems talk about fairness and equality ... what a joke! Hillary will bribe, extort and claw her way to the top ... you wait and see. The invention which is Obama will be defeated and the voice of you sheeple won�t be heard.
Problem is Republicans aren�t much better ... Leadership vacuum ... disappointing
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Rush Limbaugh a moderate?
What have you been smoking my two?