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Defeat immigration measures

Who will do the work? How about American citizens who live in areas with high unemployment? How about English-speaking college students looking for tuition/textbook money? It would be a blessing if the illegal alien and their graffiti painting gang member children would leave the state. Already 130,000 Utahns have had their identities stolen, including young children. It would seem that the editors are comfortable with with this and actually want it to increase.

As far as the so-called driving privilege card study, a careful review of the report reveals that only 76 actual insurance policies were checked out of over 40,000. That is hardly a basis to extrapolate a 76% compliance ratio. Especially when multiple insurance agents have come forward to say that many card holders simply purchase insurance for a few weeks, and then cancel it or let it lapse once the card is obtained. The study did not attempt to examine this phenomenon.

All your arguments are weak. Life will go on without the illegals, and better. Small legal businesses will have a fighting chance and a living wage will be offered to fill the jobs. When the wages are good, people come out of the woodwork to fill jobs. People who are not working decide it is worthwhile to go out and fill the jobs. The theory that you must continuously increase your population to have prosperity is invalid and unsustainable. Only socialism and communism requires a mass proloteriat. Obviously such a pyramid scheme reaches the point of diminishing returns. We have more than reached that point.

Since the legislature seems to be beholden to those who would kick these immigrants when they need a helping hand, hopefully the govenor will see fit to do the right thing and veto this vindictive and cruel legislation.

The children, biologically and in spirit, of those who built a nation by trampling on the rights of others, for them to insist that all others must follow every requirement of law, when they come here in the same spirit as all immigrants, to make a better life, is hypocritical.

These children say if these immigrants pay a fine this is amnesty. Is it amnesty, if they break the law, pay the consequence and then move on with their life?

Business wants the cheap labor.
Democrats want the second/third generation votes.
The LDS Church wants Latino converts.

All of your arguments can be applied to any other group of criminals. Why do you want to treat one group of criminals as a special case? All families of rapists suffer when the perpetrator is put into prison. Should we empty the prisons because criminal�s actions harm more than their victims? In the Book ff Mormon society was destroyed by people accepting and protecting the actions of a ruthless band of criminals known as Gadianton robbers. If you support illegal immigration, you and the Gadiantions are brothers. Shame on you, not on us.

You still don't get it. Using your own statistics: I shouldn't have to insure my car 25% of the time; I can run a red light 1% of the time; I can disregard the laws 25% of the time; I can take from those who are taxed and believe in socialism all the time;
Wake up, Mr. Editor. You're wrong 100% of the time. Laws are meant to be upheld, not broken. If foreigners can break the law with impunity then I should be able to as well.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. We should treat those who enter our country illegally in a humane way, without hatred. We should not extend special privileges or roll out a welcome mat, especially when it means giving benefits that are not available in other states. This sends the wrong message and weakens the commitment of all to the rule of law.

We live in a democratic republic, where we elect people to represent us in our government. Those we elected are actually trying to do what numerous opinion polls have shown we want done. Why are you opposed to our system actually working? We want the situation with illegal immigration dealt with, and they are dealing with it, in a way that many of us support. Nothing is final, yet, but they seem to be moving in the direction most of us want. Let them do their job.

to: anon

If Churches and businessmen want these illegals so bad, then they should be forced to pay for their them. Since they are so concerned, they should willing be taxed directly to support all the social services the American taxpayer is currently forced to pay. As for the Democrats, let them openly run on a pro-illegal immigration platform and we'll see how far they get.

I suugest that authorities arrest those who break the law by employing illegals and the problem is greatly diminished as jobs vanish.

Let me see if I understand:

1. Break the law.
2. Be rewarded for it.

Why?

BTW Being in Mexico without papers is a felony.

I counted five instance of the word "immigration" and four of the word "immigrant", yet only two of the word "illegal". It would seem that the author is trying hard to convince us that the people have a problem with immigration versus a problem with ILLEGAL "immigration". That seems blatently false.

Any time I see editorial slop like this I am reminded of the words "obfuscation", "distraction" and "dishonesty".

"Immigrants do jobs Americans won't do and don't want." President Bush, John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Ted Kennedy have all said it. But the facts tell a different story.

America's broken immigration laws are hurting U.S. workers and overburdening our taxpayers.

In 2006, America had 12 million illegal and 26 million legal immigrants. These 38 million immigrants total one-eighth of our population. A third of legal immigrants, and nearly two-thirds of illegal immigrants, haven't completed high school. Nine percent of American citizens aged 18-64 are without a high school degree.

Common sense, basic economics and the data indicate that admitting large numbers of poorly educated immigrants reduces job prospects and wages for less-educated/skilled Americans. Between 2000 and 2005, jobless Americans without a high school degree increased by 2 million. During the same period, immigrants without high school degrees grew 1.5 million

So the Deseret News is for illegal slave labor. The only reason there are labor shortages in areas that have cracked down on illegal immigration is because there are not as many illegal aliens to pay sub minimum wage and no benefits. Places that have a shortage of labor may just have to raise wages to attract workers, but that is a bad thing according to the Deseret News. Also the Deseret news in its use of terms such as "anti-immigrant measures" is wrong. We are anti-illegal immigration. We know that illegal immigration drives down wages, puts an undue burden on schools and hospitals, and promotes poverty. The Deseret News apparently doesn't care.

Bad laws were made by bad people.

If you say it is a duplicate why does it not show after I return later to see my comments.There was nothing abusive about these remarks. So show this as it makes sense.
"Immigrants do jobs Americans won't do and don't want." President Bush, John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Ted Kennedy have all said it. But the facts tell a different story.

America's broken immigration laws are hurting U.S. workers and overburdening our taxpayers.

In 2006, America had 12 million illegal and 26 million legal immigrants. These 38 million immigrants total one-eighth of our population. A third of legal immigrants, and nearly two-thirds of illegal immigrants, haven't completed high school. Nine percent of American citizens aged 18-64 are without a high school degree.

Common sense, basic economics and the data indicate that admitting large numbers of poorly educated immigrants reduces job prospects and wages for less-educated/skilled Americans. Between 2000 and 2005, jobless Americans without a high school degree increased by 2 million. During the same period, immigrants without high school degrees grew 1.5 million

If your newspaper is owned by the LDS Church....is this the official opinion of the LDS Church concerning illegal immigration? Is it the LDS Church's position that the laws of the United States and Utah should be broken and the law breakers should be rewarded? I am very curious about this? I am also curious about the Deseret New's respect for the laws of our State and Country? Why not editorialize to the illegal community about obeying our laws, leaving our country, and returning when they can do it legally?

Bad laws written by bad (fascist) lawmakers.

why am I not surprised that you are from the redneck potato state? The Deseret News gets it right again. These bills are short sighted and motivated by racial hatred. It is going to be a long, hard road for those haters who have yet to accept that they are in the ignorant, uneducated minority on this issue. The D News is run by professional writers, analysts, and commentators. Simply put, their opinion is better educated, more thoughtful, more impartial, and more level-headed than your rambling impotent rant. They are right. Everyone else is wrong.

Once again the Deseret News editor insults the intelligence and basic character of Utahns by accusing those of us who disagree with ILLEGAL immigration of being anti-immigrant. That is both untrue and unfair. Most of us are very pro-immigration but anti-ILLEGAL immigration. Duh! I do not support anything that is illegal, including illegal immigration, identify theft, human smuggling, drug smuggling, bank robbery, murder, etc.

Because of this constant use of dishonest language by the Deseret News, I question the intelligence, character and journalistic integrity of this organization.

Although it just about rips my heart out to deny in-state tuition to deserving young people, I believe we must do it as part of a larger message that illegal immigration will no longer be tolerated. I support the honest and courageous state legislators who are standing up for Utah citizens and trying to do something about the out-of-control illegal immigration problem that we have.