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Terri Dance Salisbury MO | 9:00 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
This time George Washington's warning "to beware the spirit of
Party" has got to hit us on the heads and make that celestial spark of
conscience catch flame. It's a long way to November and you aren't
responsible for who wins but for whom you give your voice to uphold, elect,
donate to, whatever. That's where the line is drawn. You know who gets a
chance to do their worst and then it all works out in Act III. Whe are in Act
II of this present melodrama.
Betsy | 9:05 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
I am an independent who supported Mitt Romney that being said. I will support Barack Obama he is a protest vote because I do not agree with him on a lot of issues. Nonetheless I started up my own blog LatterDaySaintforBarack. About the idea of Utah only being 2% of the country well that may be true. However a force to be reckoned enough to stop a certain Baptist preacher from becoming President or even VP. It is a thing called the electoral college. Most Latter Day Saints live in the intermountain west, Utah,Idaho,and Colorado along with Wyoming for good measure. If people have not forgiven Huckabee by November than guess what people don't vote for him in those states that are LDS. Along with those who are not of LDS that don't support him for one reason or another. Those states go blue there is enough delegate support that equals a Pennslyvania or Ohio. Keep in mind this scenario could happen even if Huckabee is VP let alone nominee. Though I don't think Huckabee will win states like PA or even Florida and that alone is enough for him to lose.
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brandon | 9:14 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
Most people back the candidate who best represents the voter best. NOT hard to
figure that out. What else would you expect? Most blacks will vote for Obama,
Many women for Clinton, and if there were a Jew running, he would get most the
votes from Jews, and if Kermit the Frog was running, all the muppet babies, all
of Sesame Street, the Care Bears, and Barney would vote for him. All this
because the voter knows the candidate has their best interests at heart....most
of the time. I can only speak for myself (as a Mormon), I vote for the one who
I think will benifit me best. And thats not neccesarily another Mormon.
shecky | 9:19 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
Just another reminder...not all Mormons are Republicans. Nor are all Mormons
Mitt supporters.
Jeddidiah | 9:20 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
TO BETSY,
Betsy,
Better check with your Bishop or other authorities that they are OK with your religious endorsement of Barack Obama and recruiting with the churches name. I would hate to see the tax exempt status of the LDS Church be threatened to spite a Baptist� On the other hand let it slide, I think it interesting the demise of the LDS church based on religious bias��
Betsy,
Better check with your Bishop or other authorities that they are OK with your religious endorsement of Barack Obama and recruiting with the churches name. I would hate to see the tax exempt status of the LDS Church be threatened to spite a Baptist� On the other hand let it slide, I think it interesting the demise of the LDS church based on religious bias��
Park City Resident | 9:26 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
WRITE MITT IN! Make a statement.
Experience, Not Size, Matters | 9:29 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
The two most pressing issues facing the immediate future of America are 1) the
international war on terror, and 2) the economy.
Mitt MAY have been qualified to address the second (but that's not certain), but even he conceded that he could not match McCain's qualifications on the first. None of the current candidates, Democrats OR Republicans can compare to McCain on that point. And McCain is more likely to be able to handle the economy issues because he has been involved more intimately with current US fiscal policy and issues than Mitt ever was.
Neither size of campaign budget and self-adoration (Mitt), nor size of gender influence (Hilary), nor size of racial influence (Obama), nor size of ideological absurdity (Paul) matter!
Experience matters. In short, McCain is better qualified by virtue of his experience than any other candidate.
Be reasonable, Utah, and vote accordingly.
Mitt MAY have been qualified to address the second (but that's not certain), but even he conceded that he could not match McCain's qualifications on the first. None of the current candidates, Democrats OR Republicans can compare to McCain on that point. And McCain is more likely to be able to handle the economy issues because he has been involved more intimately with current US fiscal policy and issues than Mitt ever was.
Neither size of campaign budget and self-adoration (Mitt), nor size of gender influence (Hilary), nor size of racial influence (Obama), nor size of ideological absurdity (Paul) matter!
Experience matters. In short, McCain is better qualified by virtue of his experience than any other candidate.
Be reasonable, Utah, and vote accordingly.
Size does matter --in Utah | 9:29 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
Utah is reasonable and it has spoken. It was Romney. Now get into the definition
of reason and that is another cultural issue based purley on the LDS faith.
Joseph | 9:34 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
Mitt will return. It may not be this year but he will be back-- he is destined.
As the prophecy goes "....the U.S. Constitution will be hanging by a thread
and a church elder from Zion will ride in on a metaphorical white horse and save
it"
As faithful members we have to believe this is true and support our Brother.
As faithful members we have to believe this is true and support our Brother.
Melissa | 9:39 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
VOTE FOR RON PAUL!
He is more conservative and honest than Romney. Once again the media failed to mention Sen. Paul. Oops! Do your homework and know your candidates! Don't just listen to main-stream media for guidance.
He is more conservative and honest than Romney. Once again the media failed to mention Sen. Paul. Oops! Do your homework and know your candidates! Don't just listen to main-stream media for guidance.
Atheist for Romney | 9:46 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
I am fed up with both parties so registered as an independent here in
California. As such, I could not vote in the Republican primary, but was
allowed to vote in the Democratic Party so chose Obama. Although I am an
"apostate" atheist and have had absolutely nothing to do with the
Mormon church for over 30 years, I still would have chosen Romney if he made it
to the general election. My vote has nothing to do with the religion, but the
convictions and ethics of the man.
Terri Dance Salisbury Missouri | 9:53 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
McCain's staffers are the experienced ones, not him! all he does is yea or
nay, or miss the roll call entirely because he is out campaigning 90% of time
and fundraising 9.9%--getting facial skin cancer treatments the rest of waking
life, poor guy! You are a bit naive about the civil service. good night all!
I'm going to get out my BBC series dvds of Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime
Minister episode called "The Bishop's Gambit" and laugh(but not
to excess) myself to sleep--You all be sure to find the video clips of this week
in merry olde England--Archbishop of Canterbury himself wants some recognition
of Sharia law in UK jurisprudence!!! someone go pull on his beard!!! Oy vey! or
Mitt Romney-like Golly!
Dutcher 2008!!!!! | 9:59 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
Now that Romney is out, we need Richard Dutcher to come forth and assume his
rightful destiny - to make the films that will change the country...and
(dramatic pause)... change THE WORLD!!! Go Dutcher! Teach us! Lead us! HEAL us!
California Voter | 10:14 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
To all of the people saying that they will just stay home, realize that there
are other parties than just the repubs and the democrats. Get out and vote with
the one that best fits your views (maybe constitutionalist). DON'T SIT
HOME! That being said, McCain and Huck look like they will not get my vote.
Let's Clarify | 10:25 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
No! Romney's run has not made it any easier for another Mormon politician
down the road. It has nothing to do with the politician themselves as far as
garnering a more positive view of Mormon's and Mormon politicians.
It's more basic than that.
Only when the General Authorityship of the Mormon church makes some profound doctrine and position changes, only then will the public view Mormons and Mormon politicians as being more palatable. It'll take the boys in SLC to bring a better perception towards Mormons, not anything that a politician does. Heck, Harry Reed, a devout Mormon (who supports Right to Life, Second Amendment, etc., a conservative leaning centrist Democrat) has had the sense enough to realize that a run for the office of President would be fool-hearty and very self-deluded, which is what Romney got caught up in, until the reality of what he had done and was dealing with finally dawned on him.
Romney needs to move to Michigan, run for its governor and get elected, and then prove he's a real conservative. Then, and only then, he might become a preferred conservative Republican presidential nominee.
Only when the General Authorityship of the Mormon church makes some profound doctrine and position changes, only then will the public view Mormons and Mormon politicians as being more palatable. It'll take the boys in SLC to bring a better perception towards Mormons, not anything that a politician does. Heck, Harry Reed, a devout Mormon (who supports Right to Life, Second Amendment, etc., a conservative leaning centrist Democrat) has had the sense enough to realize that a run for the office of President would be fool-hearty and very self-deluded, which is what Romney got caught up in, until the reality of what he had done and was dealing with finally dawned on him.
Romney needs to move to Michigan, run for its governor and get elected, and then prove he's a real conservative. Then, and only then, he might become a preferred conservative Republican presidential nominee.
Joe Moe | 10:53 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
If Mormon Republicans support a Democrat in November, they will only prove what
people accused them of: they were voting for Romney because he's LDS.
If they were actually supporting Romney because of his politics, they would support the next closest remaining candidate: McCain!
If they were actually supporting Romney because of his politics, they would support the next closest remaining candidate: McCain!
Gabriella in MO | 11:46 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
McCain is not the next closest remaining candidate! Lots of people in other
states who certainly are'nt willing to vote for him either. If he ends up
the last man standing in the GOP it won't prove anything at all about
Mormons/LDS except that they can smell a rat as well as the other 65% who have
refused to vote for McCain in these preliminary elections. For awhile the
republicans were more correct in their platforms than other large party so more
correct thinkers voted for them--cease to be correct and the votes won't be
there just because the label/brand name pinned on the candidate is spelled the
same as Republican. Loss of credibility in the brand name loses your
customers--its always the economy in one way or another.
bhparkman | 2:22 a.m. Feb. 10, 2008
We (my family and I) broke with the Republicans three years ago because they
refused to do the job we elected them to do. We decided as a family to become
solely independent under the direction of Pres. George Washington, who advised
such actions in his farewell address. Pres. Washington equated party affiliation
to probable tyranny.
Now we see that it�s also equal to idolatry. Just read some of the comments here.
We refused to look at any candidate with an eye singular to their glory, but with utter suspicion as to their motives, past records, and current plans. No candidate since the beginning of this election season is suitable for our household.
All neglect to address their plans toward our personal and households� sovereignty, or prove their knowledge of what the Constitution and its amendments restrict to the Executive branch.
As for this election season, we implore all to vote for a good employee � not a visionary. The person who is elected is our employee, both yours and ours. We must hire the best for our Executive office, and be more than willing to replace them if necessary through the impeachment process.
Now we see that it�s also equal to idolatry. Just read some of the comments here.
We refused to look at any candidate with an eye singular to their glory, but with utter suspicion as to their motives, past records, and current plans. No candidate since the beginning of this election season is suitable for our household.
All neglect to address their plans toward our personal and households� sovereignty, or prove their knowledge of what the Constitution and its amendments restrict to the Executive branch.
As for this election season, we implore all to vote for a good employee � not a visionary. The person who is elected is our employee, both yours and ours. We must hire the best for our Executive office, and be more than willing to replace them if necessary through the impeachment process.
Princess | 2:30 a.m. Feb. 10, 2008
I do not want to be labeled Conservative, Liberal,Republican, Democrat. left,
right, Up, down, etc. I think when a person expressed their views, it should
not be labeled. That is the problem with our country and the media plays on
this constantly. It is spliting our nation, that is why our congress and the
President can't work together. Romney had points of view. For instance
the abortion issue. The two views that split our nation are right to life and
pro-life, confusing. Should we legistate a personal decision or leave Wade vis
Roe,? I feel a compromise could be the best answer.. After first tri-mester
then make it illigal, Question what is if a life death decision of mother or
child living or dying, a deformity of sometime. These decisions are too
personal. Quit making it the number one issue. Life is too short for those
trying to live with all these arguements. People trying to make a living, pay
bills, gasoline, buy a home, etc. We have a cold-harded system that does not
provide for most people are having a hard time Who is at fault, government, our
own selfishness, lack or jobs, corporations. Government, corporation, greed..
Repent all.
Anonymous | 3:44 a.m. Feb. 10, 2008
McCain is not even close to the next closest thing to Romney. Give me a
break!!! Also, if he chooses Huckabee then I am a definite no go for the
Republicans. It would mark the first time in any election I would vote
Democrat, but I would definitely do it as McCain/Huckabee is the worst possible
scenario!!!
Jay | 5:17 a.m. Feb. 10, 2008
I challenge everybody to go to Ron Paul's website and research all of his
information. If you do this with an open mind you will have learned that he is
the only one running for President that is truly qualified. I was a Romney
supporter until I decided that I was not going to be told by the media who they
wanted me to support.
We are a curious people and I was curious as to why Ron Paul was being dismissed on the TV as well as the debates. Guiliani even said after quiting that Ron Paul had won ALL the dabates. I feel confident that my vote will not go to the lessor of the two evils.
Go to youtube and search "skousen paul" and watch the video. Very interesting and educational.
We are a curious people and I was curious as to why Ron Paul was being dismissed on the TV as well as the debates. Guiliani even said after quiting that Ron Paul had won ALL the dabates. I feel confident that my vote will not go to the lessor of the two evils.
Go to youtube and search "skousen paul" and watch the video. Very interesting and educational.
bob Reade | 6:39 a.m. Feb. 10, 2008
If Romney carried the Mormon vote because he is Mormon, would Harry Reid with
his political beliefs under similar circumstances have carried the Mormon vote?
As a non-Mormon living in Southern Utah, my observation is that Mormon's
have conservative values and vote accordingly. If they had not had faith in
Romney's values they wouldn't have voted for him in such numbers.
Ruth | 7:17 a.m. Feb. 10, 2008
There are many Texans who are going to write in Romney's name in the
primary. I for one will be doing this.
It is funny in some ways I had a short list with Romney,Hunter,Tancredo and Huckabee. Well, Huckabee is no longer on my short list.
I will vote for Romney in the primary. I will vote for McCain because Hillay and Obama both frighten me. Granted she does more than Obama but they are both so liberal. Obama while he is I think a good person with a sweetness about him that Hillary doesn't have.He just isn't old enough, hasn't had enough leadership experience. If Mitt's name was on the ballot in the general election I would write in Mitt.
I was bolted over when I learned that my extended family made up of Baptist and Methodist are strong Mitt supporters. They are voting for him in the primary.
I will hold my nose and vote for McCain.
Thank you,
God Bless America, Land That I Love.
It is funny in some ways I had a short list with Romney,Hunter,Tancredo and Huckabee. Well, Huckabee is no longer on my short list.
I will vote for Romney in the primary. I will vote for McCain because Hillay and Obama both frighten me. Granted she does more than Obama but they are both so liberal. Obama while he is I think a good person with a sweetness about him that Hillary doesn't have.He just isn't old enough, hasn't had enough leadership experience. If Mitt's name was on the ballot in the general election I would write in Mitt.
I was bolted over when I learned that my extended family made up of Baptist and Methodist are strong Mitt supporters. They are voting for him in the primary.
I will hold my nose and vote for McCain.
Thank you,
God Bless America, Land That I Love.
Reality | 8:51 a.m. Feb. 10, 2008
Mitt was only and image of his own vanity and his mormon illusionary
conditioning. Mormons live in a closed controled society that shuts them out
from seeing the real world outside of their culture and hampers their
recognizing how the rest of the world sees them. If mormons maintain their
present pseudo community there will never be a mormon president.
Anonymous | 1:56 p.m. Feb. 10, 2008
Why can't anyone in this state look at the candidates and what they stand
for instead of voting by party? Do you think the country is better off after 8
years of Bush?
Betsy | 3:01 p.m. Feb. 10, 2008
Many people get hung up on the LDS factor in Romney's Win. Two things
first of all the LDS population is at 62% not enough to give him 90% of the win
and not every LDS individual supported Romney. Second Point: Many people here
have first hand knowledge and saw what Mitt Romney did for the Olympics. He did
take it out of corruption and gave it a budget surplus.
What on earth??? | 4:38 p.m. Feb. 10, 2008
Would someone please point out the logical bridge that ties Romney to Hussein
Obama? If Bush was a "bad" president, the only things that made him
so were his leftist leanings on spending and social programs (i.e. allocating
taxpayer money to fighting AIDS in Africa)- the scope of which Hussein Obama
woul like to broaden. Hussein Obama would also like to raise your taxes and
make America the paper tiger his muslim stepfather's compatriots accuse us
of being by immediately withdrawing the troops from the middle east (more on
that later). HUSSEIN OBAMA IS THE MOST LIBERAL SENATOR!!! If you liked Romney
because of his conservatism, how can you now support the most liberal mainstream
candidate?
What on earth??? (part deux) | 4:57 p.m. Feb. 10, 2008
In reference to Hussein Obama's desire for immediate troop withdrawal- Why
is immediate troop withdrawal from the middle east a bad thing? Because it is
economic suicide for the United States. Why? Because:
1. Our enemies (radical Muslims) have shown their cards- they want to attack/kill us (remember 9/11).
2. The war is keeping the U.S. safe by engaging our enemies in their countries.
3. Investors prefer to invest in stable countries.
4. War at home makes a country unstable.
5. Withdrawing our troops brings the attacks here (remember 9/11).
6. Attacks here mean less investment in American enterprise.
7. Less investment in American enterprise means slower economy.
Ever wonder why poor countries are poor? A common characteristic is national insecurity caused by internal war. DO NOT SUPPORT HUSSEIN OBAMA, unless you hate America. BTW, a vote for Ron Paul is equivalent to a vote for Hussein Obama.
1. Our enemies (radical Muslims) have shown their cards- they want to attack/kill us (remember 9/11).
2. The war is keeping the U.S. safe by engaging our enemies in their countries.
3. Investors prefer to invest in stable countries.
4. War at home makes a country unstable.
5. Withdrawing our troops brings the attacks here (remember 9/11).
6. Attacks here mean less investment in American enterprise.
7. Less investment in American enterprise means slower economy.
Ever wonder why poor countries are poor? A common characteristic is national insecurity caused by internal war. DO NOT SUPPORT HUSSEIN OBAMA, unless you hate America. BTW, a vote for Ron Paul is equivalent to a vote for Hussein Obama.
Ryan N. | 6:06 p.m. Feb. 10, 2008
From the article:
Herbert acknowledged that he and other Mormons feel "gratitude and pride"
I think this sums up a lot.
Also, how is Huckabee a bigot and why does everyone state that people who don't believe in the LDS Church dislike Mormons personally. You throw around the words bigot, anti, and hate so loosely that it is losing any substance or meaning.
Again, refer to the quote above, b/c humbleness is what we should strive for
Herbert acknowledged that he and other Mormons feel "gratitude and pride"
I think this sums up a lot.
Also, how is Huckabee a bigot and why does everyone state that people who don't believe in the LDS Church dislike Mormons personally. You throw around the words bigot, anti, and hate so loosely that it is losing any substance or meaning.
Again, refer to the quote above, b/c humbleness is what we should strive for
Rathje | 8:19 p.m. Feb. 10, 2008
Didn't Ralph Nader say he'd run as an independent if Hillary got the
nomination?
Liberal GOP | 10:06 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
I voted McCain in the Republican primary because we were both of the left wing
of the party. (I'm from a family that generally votes in GOP primaries and
then goes Democratic in the general election. Why? So that there is less chance
of the GOP putting an Adolf Hitler into office. The closest such candidate this
election is Huckabee - who is still a somewhat nice guy, just too religiously
minded for my taste).
Going to Canada | 7:58 a.m. Feb. 12, 2008
Start packing your bags and moving to Canada. If THE WITCH wins this election
there will be a lot of illegal immigration in other countries with millions of
US citizens being the illegals!
Jay | 11:26 a.m. Feb. 12, 2008
An exit poll on CNN found that 83% of evangelicals in Utah voted for Romney, so
the claim that only Mormons voted for Romney is false. My guess is that
evangelicals in Utah know that a Mormon president wouldn't be a bad thing,
as they interact with Mormons daily. You know, the guy got more than 4 million
votes in the primaries, only 250k came from Utah. When compared to McCains 4.7
million, percentage-wise Romney trailed Mccain 40 top 32%. Apparently Romney
had support from people other than Mormons.
Anonymous | 2:58 p.m. Feb. 12, 2008
Mitt Romney is gone.
Why are the Romney freaks still here?
Why are the Romney freaks still here?
Anonymous | 5:52 p.m. Feb. 12, 2008
There is a lot of ignorance in this country, as shown in some of the comments.
Walt | 10:49 a.m. Feb. 13, 2008
WHICH ONE FITS THIS BEST HILLARY, OBAMA OR MCCAIN
LEADERSHIP (ACCORDING TO JOHN SCULLEY) REVOLVES AROUND VISION, IDEAS, DIRECTION, AND HAS MORE TO DO WITH INSPIRING PEOPLE AS TO DIRECTION AND GOALS THAN WITH DAY-TO-DAY IMPLEMENTATION. A LEADER MUST BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE MORE THAN HIS OWN CAPABILITIES. HE MUST BE CAPABLE OF INSPIRING OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THINGS WITHOUT ACTUALLY SITTING ON TOP OF THEM WITH A CHECKLIST.� BENNIS, W. �ON BECOMING A LEADER� READING, MA: ADDISON-WESLEY PUBLISHING, (1989, P.139)
"LEADERSHIP AND LEARNING ARE INDISPENSABLE TO EACH OTHER." JOHN F. KENNEDY
LEADERSHIP (ACCORDING TO JOHN SCULLEY) REVOLVES AROUND VISION, IDEAS, DIRECTION, AND HAS MORE TO DO WITH INSPIRING PEOPLE AS TO DIRECTION AND GOALS THAN WITH DAY-TO-DAY IMPLEMENTATION. A LEADER MUST BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE MORE THAN HIS OWN CAPABILITIES. HE MUST BE CAPABLE OF INSPIRING OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THINGS WITHOUT ACTUALLY SITTING ON TOP OF THEM WITH A CHECKLIST.� BENNIS, W. �ON BECOMING A LEADER� READING, MA: ADDISON-WESLEY PUBLISHING, (1989, P.139)
"LEADERSHIP AND LEARNING ARE INDISPENSABLE TO EACH OTHER." JOHN F. KENNEDY
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