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Enough Stereotypes! | 2:31 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
All Mormons aren't Republican, not all Mormons live in Utah, all Utahns
aren't Mormon, and not all Mormons voted for Romney. I am Mormon...born
and raised in Utah, but haven't lived there for 10 years, and an
independent voter.
I am going to aim my remarks to those that believe in Mitt Romney. He didn't drop out-he suspended his campaign, if you don't know the difference (One gives him a lot of say and a way back in if wanted, and the other is a complete throw in of the "towel"). My 7-yr-old cried for an hour when he heard.
Also, he asked us to vote for the Republican Nominee...some think thats McCain...I say NOT YET! He asked us for the greater good, to let the war on terrorism continue. Do we really want to let Obama, or Hillary take the country in the prime direction for our destruction? This is the stand that Romney took...if he can set aside the differences for the greater good...why can't we who supported him do the same?
I don't know who I am going to vote for in November, I just pray daily that it isn't a McCain/Huckabee ticket! Go Romney-that's class!
I am going to aim my remarks to those that believe in Mitt Romney. He didn't drop out-he suspended his campaign, if you don't know the difference (One gives him a lot of say and a way back in if wanted, and the other is a complete throw in of the "towel"). My 7-yr-old cried for an hour when he heard.
Also, he asked us to vote for the Republican Nominee...some think thats McCain...I say NOT YET! He asked us for the greater good, to let the war on terrorism continue. Do we really want to let Obama, or Hillary take the country in the prime direction for our destruction? This is the stand that Romney took...if he can set aside the differences for the greater good...why can't we who supported him do the same?
I don't know who I am going to vote for in November, I just pray daily that it isn't a McCain/Huckabee ticket! Go Romney-that's class!
re re what the? | 2:26 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Nice way to cherry pick your response to my original post. Clearly you have
labeled yourself a Republican because you have a backbone, and I'm a
"quiter," whatever that is. I guess I lost my backbone when I got an
advanced education and learned that quitter is spelled with two tee's.
But you, Mr. backbone Republican, failed to respond to the first question of my post. Romney was pro-choice. You supported him. So what is the difference between a pro-choice Republican and a pro-choice Democrat? Only the party. But here in UT, that means a world of difference. Am I really the only one to see the hypocrisy in that?
But you, Mr. backbone Republican, failed to respond to the first question of my post. Romney was pro-choice. You supported him. So what is the difference between a pro-choice Republican and a pro-choice Democrat? Only the party. But here in UT, that means a world of difference. Am I really the only one to see the hypocrisy in that?
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D in Tooele | 2:44 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
With Romney out I am undecided now. I have alway voted Republican. I am not
happy with McCain. And I will NEVER vote for Huckabee as VP. But, I don't
know if I can vote for a Democrat in November. McCain will have to convince me
or the Democrats will have to scare me away. Reading the posts here I can't
tell if they are real Republicans or Obama supporters fanning the flames.
November is a long ways out. It will be a fun presidential election year in
'08!
To Uteowl | 2:53 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Your skewed comparison of JFK and Roosevelt to Fascists is hilarious. Wrong,
but very funny. JFK and Roosevelt stood up for human rights via a strong
government, whilst the Fascists tore down human rights via a strong government.
You correctly state that both used effective methods to accomplish their means.
Joe Moe | 2:56 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Much as I favor McCain right now, I look forward to getting a closer look at
Bloomberg. Look for him to come on the scene in a couple of months.
Steve G. | 3:09 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
I understand how everyone is frustrated with the present political situation.
Just to set the record straight Obama does pledge the flag with his hand over
his heart and he was swore in on the family Bible. How dumb do you think He
could be. The same kind of people that put out all of the misinformation about
Mitt are the ones that have said those things about Obama. That does not mean I
am necessarily going to vote for him but lets not do the same things to others
that we found so objectionable when it was done to Mitt.
Re what the? | 3:12 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
I did not support him when he was pro choice. I did not vote in the MA election
since I reside in Utah. Did your advanced degree teach you that would be voter
fraud. The wind blows many directions my job is to point out when it blows the
right way. What the? please look at your standards and ask yourself what made
you turn against the light
Idaho | 3:23 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
I for one believe that is absolutely time for change in Washington. I have had
it with the same old recycled, career politicians, who need to be taken out to
the pasture - AKA Hillary Clinton and McCain. Or in the case of McCain - the
retirement center.
I believe that change was to come in the form of Romney or Obama. Now that Romney is out of the race I am supporting Obama. As a life-long Republican, I never thought I would see the day where I was supporting a democrat. But at the same token, I have never been this excited about a candidate as I am in Obama.
As a former resident of Utah and a current resident of Idaho, it's the first time in my life that both of the states are on the verge of going over into the blue column.
I only hope if McCain picks Huckabee as his running mate, that the Idaho and Utah stay in that column. It will be to the benefit of both states to do so.
I believe that change was to come in the form of Romney or Obama. Now that Romney is out of the race I am supporting Obama. As a life-long Republican, I never thought I would see the day where I was supporting a democrat. But at the same token, I have never been this excited about a candidate as I am in Obama.
As a former resident of Utah and a current resident of Idaho, it's the first time in my life that both of the states are on the verge of going over into the blue column.
I only hope if McCain picks Huckabee as his running mate, that the Idaho and Utah stay in that column. It will be to the benefit of both states to do so.
TN | 3:28 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
People, do not be afraid to make a long term vote. Change does not come
immediately. A protest vote against the Republican party would do more to help
this country get back to conservative principles than will the short term
defensive vote of taking a liberal McCain over a more liberal Obama or Hillary.
Take a stand and vote Democrat, not because you agree with them, but so that
next time, we can have a conservative candidate that we do agree with.
It's okay to stand up once in a while and demand change, even if it is
difficult in the short term.
yorktown | 3:32 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Now you sleepy Mormons know how we feel. We woke up a long time ago and said we
couldn't in good conscience vote for anyone but Ron Paul. We're also
planning to write in Dr. Paul in November, only we still have the chance of
getting the nomination since our guy is still in the race. It's a slim
chance, admittedly, but it most certainly is one.
What ever will you do? Split the vote? Give the race to a democrat? Be careful about writing in Mitt. Think of what you'll be handing to the democrats on a silver platter. Approach this election with fear and trepidation for your constitution hangs by a thread.
What ever will you do? Split the vote? Give the race to a democrat? Be careful about writing in Mitt. Think of what you'll be handing to the democrats on a silver platter. Approach this election with fear and trepidation for your constitution hangs by a thread.
different strokes | 3:46 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Acceptance of inequality� � if I had
to pick only one description of the difference between the liberal and
conservative outlook, this is the one I�d choose. Every
conservative thought, conservative feeling, conservative policy, can be boiled
down to its essence here. �There have to be poor people so
there can be rich people, and that�s only natural
� just as long as it�s not
me!� The conservative outlook is hierarchical in nature.
They really don�t believe �all are
created equal.� They believe that
�some are more equal than others.�
There have to be losers in order for there to be winners. And to try to work
towards everyone being winners is just plain wrong � even
immoral.
Immoral � just like those pinko Founding Fathers.
Immoral � just like those pinko Founding Fathers.
uteowl | 3:45 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
To: To Uteowl
Review your history. You are focused on Nazism (which used fascism)not fascism itself. Fascism is a kissing cousin to socialism. Even if you want to stick with Nazism - which is the shortened name for the National Socialistic party - it was Socialistic! Exactly what FDR was and JFK was (to a lessor degree). If you can't see that then you're blind to the facts.
The Democrat party is full of socialists and neofascists. Classic fascists wanted government, especially lead by a strong man, to control all aspects of life within their countries. They were focused on health, environment, animal rights, universal health care, minimum wages, retirement income for all, ... and making the trains run on time.
How much different is that from the Democrat party of today? Republicans are better but they still fall sway to some of the same clap-trap because the general population doesn't want to assume responsibility for themselves or personal responsibility for their neighbors and Republicans want to get elected.
Review your history. You are focused on Nazism (which used fascism)not fascism itself. Fascism is a kissing cousin to socialism. Even if you want to stick with Nazism - which is the shortened name for the National Socialistic party - it was Socialistic! Exactly what FDR was and JFK was (to a lessor degree). If you can't see that then you're blind to the facts.
The Democrat party is full of socialists and neofascists. Classic fascists wanted government, especially lead by a strong man, to control all aspects of life within their countries. They were focused on health, environment, animal rights, universal health care, minimum wages, retirement income for all, ... and making the trains run on time.
How much different is that from the Democrat party of today? Republicans are better but they still fall sway to some of the same clap-trap because the general population doesn't want to assume responsibility for themselves or personal responsibility for their neighbors and Republicans want to get elected.
Tooele Tom | 3:50 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
I too thought of Obama until I started checking his record. Voting
'present' instead of taking a stand. Voting incorrectly on several
issues. What truly bothers me is his insistance that he had no dealings w/Tony
Rezko. We now know it's not true and Rezko aided the Obama's in a
house purchase and is one of his largest contributors. And don't forget
Yucca Mountain. It's practically in our back yard and Obama is accepting
large amounts of donations from Exelon. I don't want nuclear waste
anywheres near Utah. Do you?
My wife and I are going for Hillary if she gets the nomination. At least shes more conservative than McCain.
My wife and I are going for Hillary if she gets the nomination. At least shes more conservative than McCain.
jph1223 | 3:52 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Whether it be Obama, Hillary, or McCain, it's voting for a Democrat. I do
not consider myself a die-hard conservative, but McCain has consistently snubbed
his nose at the conservatives in the attempt to "cross the aisle." In
my estimation he has sold the farm. Personally he disgusts me. I cannot vote for
him. I also could not pull the lever for Hillary, but I could for Obama. We need
some fresh blood in there.
Bobo | 4:17 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Romney will not run again, he has already squandered a fortune into this loss.
Money cannot buy you love y'all!
boo | 4:18 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Romney is not a looser! He's a quitter!
Anonymous | 4:23 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
RON PAUL!!!
Jay Baxter | 4:23 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Millet could help a lot if he would ask Baptist churches to stop playing
ant-Mormon films in their meetings. Jay D. Baxter
Gene White | 4:47 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Lets hope that Romney's departure does not trigger Utahns and mormons to
feel the need to retaliate against Hucklebee and other Evanglical Christians.
This will just fuel the flames of hatred toward The Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter Day Saints and allow them to question if they really are Christians.
A scenario | 4:48 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
I will only vote for McCain if he does not choose a Mormon-hater as his VP
nominee. If he chooses Romney, he has my vote.
Any thoughts on whether the southern Republicans would vote for a McCain/Romney ticket?
Any thoughts on whether the southern Republicans would vote for a McCain/Romney ticket?
JenM | 5:04 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Senator Obama graduated Magna cum laude from Harvard Law school. He could have
worked in the most prestigious of firms, but chose to become a community
organizer in Chicago so he could truly make a difference within a grassroots
type movement. He did the same thing in the Illinois State Legislature for 8
years. He has prepared himself well to work with all kinds of people for the
common good. He is a decent man, though not imperfect. I can't believe
how uninformed some people are. He is a Christian, a family man, and a proud
American. He is very intelligent and compassionate. How is it immoral to want
to be responsible for this earth we have been blessed with? How is it immoral
to oppose a preemptive war that had nothing to do with 9/11? How is it immoral
to want affordable healthcare for all citizens? How is it immoral to want
equality for all, including those you may disagree with? Obama is not
pro-abortion. He wants to start at the root of the problem as do most Democrats
by reducing unwanted pregnancies in the first place. He is actually against gay
marriage, but for Civil Unions. Good man.
To Gene White | 4:59 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Romney's departure has nothing to do with the animosity I, and others like
me, feel towards Mike Huckabee. I don't feel the same way towards all
evangelicals. I just think Huckabee is a hateful, prejudiced person. He has
proved it by his words and actions. I don't like people like that and I
refuse to support someone like that.
Ron Paul | 5:10 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
He is a libertarian ob-gyn masquerading as a Republican. I really don't
think his occupation has prepared him for what he would face in Washington, at
least I hope not.
JR | 5:25 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Obama and Clinton will surrender now that the heavy fighting is over. That will
only re-charge the terrorists. While McCain is not what America needs on all
fronts, he is the best on the national security front.
Romney is the best candidate overall. His suspension of campaigning does not mean that his name was withdrawn. I will vote for Romney now (to send a message) and McCain in November.
Romney is the best candidate overall. His suspension of campaigning does not mean that his name was withdrawn. I will vote for Romney now (to send a message) and McCain in November.
Arthur | 5:52 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
I am not from Utah, but from a southern state. I am also Republican. I will
never vote for McCain. I haven't decided yet if I will vote Democrat or
not vote. McCain will bring no changes and is taking all the conservatives for
granted. His voting history has been terrible and between now and the election
will say whatever is necessary to make people forget about his record.
James | 6:39 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Writing in Romney as a vote is a great idea and will give traction for VP or for
2012! He did get 4million votes comared to McCain's 4.7million. Romney was
the master of the American Dream. No candidate in decades has had the
credentials that Romney possesses. Every time I saw his wife and children and
in-laws with him, I was impressed. It was so genuine and inspirational, much
like Romney himself. I am a young political science student and with Romney
gone, I am switching sides to vote for Obama. He knows how to inspire to, just
not as genuinely as Romney does. My personal opinion of course. All of the
candidates have flip flopped on issues. Why did Romney get so much more
criticism for doing so. His flips and flop could be easily explained away to
non-relevance to any voter understanding politics and constituencies. I am sad
to see, who I saw as the super candidate, leave the race. Maybe he will be VP or
come back in 2012 because we all know that we will be able to use him then,
especially under Hillary or McCain. I wish Romney and his family the best.
bluegrouse | 6:41 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
For those who don't think Utah could ever vote Democratic in a presidential
election, remember 1964. The irony is that the republican in that race was a
senator from the great state of Arizona, Barry Goldwater. It could happen
again. I have voted Republican in every presidential election since I was
eligible to vote, but if Obama is the democratic candidate, that voting record
is in jeopardy. Of course, if it Hillary, then I may not vote at all. We need
new blood and McCain and Clinton have none.
bluegrouse | 6:53 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Ironically, the last time Utah voted democratic in a presidential election was
when the Republican on the ticket was a senator from the great state of Arizona.
1964
Questions Questions | 7:20 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Questions for that guy named Mike that comes on here sometimes or for anyone
interested in a serious conversation who might have answers and wo is nice.
I have a few questions. I have heard alot of people talking lately on talk shows and newspapers. A huge number are very disappointed and feel Mitt was the best for the job at hand. In Kansas, I guess many people are going to vote for him in the caucus. Some have said the same thing in Texas and even Louisiana....
OK, question #1: If he won some of these states, would it make a difference... I kind of know the answer because he is so far behind in delegate numbers, but want to know.
#2: Teddy Roosevelt was a 3rd party (Moose party) which he had formed. What if enough people wrote in Mitt???
#3: If Mitt wanted to start a 3rd party and did, like the truly conservative party, what would happen??? It seems there are several million people who voted for him in the Primaries and many if not all of them have to be disappointed... what would happen in these situations??
How is the suspension affected in these questions?
I have a few questions. I have heard alot of people talking lately on talk shows and newspapers. A huge number are very disappointed and feel Mitt was the best for the job at hand. In Kansas, I guess many people are going to vote for him in the caucus. Some have said the same thing in Texas and even Louisiana....
OK, question #1: If he won some of these states, would it make a difference... I kind of know the answer because he is so far behind in delegate numbers, but want to know.
#2: Teddy Roosevelt was a 3rd party (Moose party) which he had formed. What if enough people wrote in Mitt???
#3: If Mitt wanted to start a 3rd party and did, like the truly conservative party, what would happen??? It seems there are several million people who voted for him in the Primaries and many if not all of them have to be disappointed... what would happen in these situations??
How is the suspension affected in these questions?
Obama | 8:18 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Obama may be very liberal but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have
the right vision and direction that our country needs at this time. Put aside
the abortion rights and gay rights agenda. THEY WILL NOT BE CHANGED!! Abortion
will remain legal and gay marriage will not be allowed by the next president
regardless of party affiliation. Both parties have their pluses and minuses but
let's look at the most respectable leader offered by both parties. Barack
Obama blows all the rest away.
I feel sick... | 10:40 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
...I am physically ill with the prospects we now have left for the presidency.
In all my years of voting, I have never been faced with a more miserable bunch
of candidates to become the most powerful man/woman in the free world. The only
smidgeon of hope we have left for the future is the choice of running mates.
Someone pass the pepto...
Someone pass the pepto...
Think about it | 11:25 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008
I grew up in Utah, but have been living in the "blue states" since
1990. I also wanted Romney, but am a realist. Your choice won't be Obama
vs McCain. Hillary will do ANYTHING to win. Your choice will be Hillary vs
McCain, so calm down and prepare to vote for McCain.
And please spare me any comments from "Mormons" living in Utah who are "Democrats." I'm not talking about Utah Democrats. Come to the looney NW where the real Democrats unfailingly come to the rescue of pedophiles, drunk drivers, lazy cheats, drug dealers, wife beaters, perverts ... heaven forbid they do ANYTHING for law-abiding, tax-paying citizens. They haven't yet in my time here.
The GOP might be growing corrupt, but the Democrats (real, not Utah) don't even try to hide it anymore! In WA and OR where Dems have a super majority, they tell you what to eat, how many kids to have, that you have no right to a moral compass, and of course, tax you out of your skull. I'm sorry, but unless you've been living in a Dem-dominated area such as Western WA or OR, you don't know what the Democratic part is about at all!
And please spare me any comments from "Mormons" living in Utah who are "Democrats." I'm not talking about Utah Democrats. Come to the looney NW where the real Democrats unfailingly come to the rescue of pedophiles, drunk drivers, lazy cheats, drug dealers, wife beaters, perverts ... heaven forbid they do ANYTHING for law-abiding, tax-paying citizens. They haven't yet in my time here.
The GOP might be growing corrupt, but the Democrats (real, not Utah) don't even try to hide it anymore! In WA and OR where Dems have a super majority, they tell you what to eat, how many kids to have, that you have no right to a moral compass, and of course, tax you out of your skull. I'm sorry, but unless you've been living in a Dem-dominated area such as Western WA or OR, you don't know what the Democratic part is about at all!
Nellie | 11:28 a.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Did ANY of the Romney supporters even read his views? I know this would have
been challenging as Romney's statements changed constantly but really ....
If you did you may not have supported him with such vigor.
lonewolf | 10:44 a.m. Sept. 14, 2008
HELP GET THE TRUTH OUT RON PAUL IS THE ANSWER
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