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Efforts to repeal immigrant-tuition law hit speed bump
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It's true we're a nation of immigrants but our ancestors did it legally, not by demanding citizenship and expressing contempt for the rule of law because of some perceived inherent "right". Many Latinos consider this is "their" land and that we are usurpers. Granting "in-state tuition", driver's licenses, welfare, free medical care, food stamps and other benefits to these characters rewards their contempt and promotes their perception we are weak and, in a Darwinian way, deserve to be overthrown.
If the Legislature wants to feed into this dimentia, have at it. They'll reap the just rewards of their spineless behavior.
I know this argument is getting old, but our founding fathers were violating the "law of the land" which was British law at the time they declared independence. Mexico did have immigration requirements in the 19th century. Before they allowed Texans to move there there had to be an agreement made that those coming in to Texas would agree to be subject to Mexican law. Mormon pioneers did not get permission before moving into this valley, which was Mexico at the time. Yet we honor both of these groups of people by celebrating the 4th and 24th of July. Given that we honor these people, for their very acts of violating the law, we can show compassion to the children of people who are here without documentation.
Federal law: Title 8, Chapter 14, Subchapter II, Paragraph 1623
"Limitation on eligibility for preferential treatment of aliens not lawfully present on basis of residence for higher education benefits
(a) In general
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State (or a political subdivision) for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an amount, duration, and scope) without regard to whether the citizen or national is such a resident."
The above federal code is the basis for the argument against instate tution rates to criminal illegal aliens - while charging out-of-state citizens over $39 million a year in non-resident fees.
Read it carefully, especially the line that clearly states: ...unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit....
Then ask your state legislator how they can vote against this bill!
Thank you for doing the right thing for law abiding Utah citizens. Please pass all of these laws and turn off the magnet that is drawing illegal immigrants to Utah.
other people to do the same
No benifits, no citizenship, etc. But I can't deny though we don't like illegals, we can't deny they are willing to do the work average Joe is not willing to do?
Best thing to do is to let the very low wage/end in, and the US gov is smart they let the extream brains cream of the crop in from India, the ones who can keep the white coller edge in the international business industries.
Fine all of the good Publican business owners that hire them and make them pay for their air fare back to their country of origin.
We are entering a recession. Jobs are being cut. Who do you think will lose their job first. The U.S. citizen or the illegal alien that works for less?
Have out of state kids completed their last three years of High School in Utah?
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I didn't think so.
The resident tuition law does not give "illegal's (sic)" more rights than out-of-staters. Implying that it does is simply incorrect.
Impeach the man who tells the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency of the Federal Government. Call your Congressman and demand they Impeach Bush for the high crime of failing to protect our borders and enforce immigration law.
Maybe Impeachment would send the appropriate message to the business owners that utilize this shadow workforce.
Until you have called your congressman demanding impeachment, you have no right to complain avout not enforcing the law.
TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 14 > SUBCHAPTER II > � 1623 Of the Federal Law states:
� 1623. Limitation on eligibility for preferential treatment of aliens not lawfully present on basis of residence for higher education benefits
(a) In general
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State (or a political subdivision) for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an amount, duration, and scope) without regard to whether the citizen or national is such a resident.
You Idaho folks at Utah State ought to complain about this.
Send Mexico the bill and demand payment.
No-one is advocating denying them the opportunity to go to college. However, they should not be allowed to benefit/profit from illegal activity. A repeal of this benefit is appropriate and fair. Claiming that such a repeal would be punitive is a disingenuous and dishonest argument. Those who make it are playing to our emotions and can not give rational reasons for their position.
Since those availing themselves of the lower rate are fairly small in numbers, perhaps our soft-hearted Guv would care to finance them himself with his money instead of ours.
Well if there should be no picking and choosing, please point me to the letter to the editor or comments that you have written, begging the legislature and congress to crack down on illegal speeding on our freeways. Please post it in their forum before 12:00 tonight.
Thanks a bunch Stew,
You don't believe people should ever benefit because of the sins of their parents? Does this mean that we should give all the land back to the Indians that we broke treaties with? Or should we just start taxing you more so we can start paying them rent?
Would you consider it a punishment, if your kids had to pay out of state tuition if it were ever found out that you broke any law?
Crossing the border illegally is not a felony, so any mistimaner would do.
We are likely the minority who realize the importance of education, compassion, and doing the right thing for the children-Regardless of how their parents came, the children SHOULD NOT suffer for the "sins" of their parents, and the only "sin" is coming to a country where they hoped for a better future. Without education, these children can't progress, and if we deny education, we contribute to social problems. WE are all children of immigrants. The children they would deny education to are children of the first Americans. Do some research people-We stole the land from indigenous people, we abused them, and it looks like the children of the conquistadors and early settlers have learned well from their fathers. You would think that educated, Christian people would act and think in Christlike ways. But I guess you still want your working class to stay in their place. We would all do well to remember President Hinckley's 6 B's, and also to show compassion in making laws. How about considering allowing these kids an education and better life as reparation for abuses of our own fathers?
Thanks for making my point by displaying your ignorance of the law.
Going to High School has everything to do with it because it exposes the ignorance of those who make the claim that "illegals" get better treatment or "more rights" than out-of-staters. Attending three years in a Utah high school and graduating from a Utah school are two of the requirements to be eligible for resident tuition. Obviously, out-of-staters aren't meeting that requirement so they AREN'T in the same situation as undocumented students (whose families, BTW, work and live here and who ARE paying local taxes to support public universities.)
Regardless of how the rabid anti-Mexicans make it sound, an undocumented student can't just show up on day one of classes and be eligible for resident tuition. Furthermore, any legal resident who meets the same requirements that "illegals" must meet would also be eligible for resident tuition. So please, do tell, how are the "illegals" getting "more rights" than the rest of us?
And please, turn off the CAPS lock. Or are you trying to yell?
An illegal alien is not bound by these rules and never loses this benefit since this law only applies to them, with the only requirement that they complete 3 years of High school. I can't believe all of the people who want to through taxpayer dollars to educate illegal aliens who cannot even legally get a job.
Any business that purposely hires illegals runs the risk of a raid, like the one in Lindon today.
After living in South America was I eligible to attend school as a citizen there would have been eligible? NO I wasn't. I wasn't even eligible to take the entrance exams.
Parents are responsible for the care and well being of their children. If these parents choose to bring their children over here knowing full well that these children are not allowed to work or study here then the parents should be held responsible.
How can a parent say they love their child and put their child in that situation?
How is it humane to allow them to get an education that they are not allowed to use? Now that is inhumane and cruel.
Los Angeles Times ran a story regarding students who had graduated from UCLA but can't use their education. They weren't very happy!
I have co-workers who are against tax funded public education period. They ask what is wrong with parents and neighborhoods banding together to educate the young. Most of the posts here advocating we charge these undocumented students higher tuition sound like they come from lower middle class families. That being the case how would you like it if there were no public education? Would your parents be qualified to provide you with an education if the state didn't? You would have no opportunity in that case to move up the ladder, those of you that choose to do so.
We all contribute in our own way and we all get from society. Thats the way it works. Society at large needs to ensure that all its citizens have opportunities to become useful and productive citizens. This is for the greater good of us all.
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The kids they are talking about here are victims, brought here by parents who broke the law. The kids have done what they were asked to do.
These kids do not know how to live in Mexico or any other country, they were raised here and have prospered in school enough to get accepted into college on academic merit.
It appears the Republican lawmakers pushing this bill want to keep these kids in the shadows so that they can be the cheap labor they were intended to be when the current administration decided to stop enforcing immigration laws.
Where is the compassion for victims?