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AZ | 2:05 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
I'm very sorry for the situation that Elizabeth and her sister find
themselves in. I'm very sorry that their parents put the family in that
situation. Those of you who think that children shouldn't be punished for
the sins of their parents however are not realistic- it happens all the time.
Look at all the kids in foster care because their parents screwed up- look at
all the kids who have a parent in prison- they certainly are being punished too.
Every single time a parent makes a mistake in judgement, the kids pay the
price. It's the same thing with illegal immigration. As someone said
earlier- over a million- that's 1,000,000 people are allowed to immigrate
legally every single year- that's more than all the other countries in the
world combined- and yet there are those who think it is their right to sneak
across our border, or come here legally on a visa and then overstay. The
government isn't taking away Elizabeth's future- how can she blame the
poor choices of her parents on the government?I won't disagree that changes
in the law need to be made, but flaunting or breaking the law meanwhile
isn't the answer either.
Anonymous | 2:06 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Wow, there are a lot of hateful people posting here.
Would it kill you to admit that our legislators have royally screwed up immigration to the point that none of it makes sense?
Would it kill you to admit that our legislators have royally screwed up immigration to the point that none of it makes sense?
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Bobby | 2:28 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Some people "hate" the flaunting, arrogantly, of the laws that they
expect to have followed. We all learned in school that America is a Law Abiding
Nation. We accepted this and agreed to live by it. What has suddenly changed?
Any nation that takes it's laws lightly is playing with fire. Can they be
changed? Sure. But not on the whim of opportunistic politicians and ethnic
interest groups. It is for the citizenry to decide, which many are doing and
being ignored. We are in serious trouble and many of you Americans can't
even see it.
BBKing | 2:28 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Here's a joke.
Q: What does a 20 million pound gorilla do?
A: What ever it wants.
Part of any solution has to deal with two realities.
The first is the political reality of Washington. The Democrats want to make all 20 million illegal aliens citizens. Surveys show that 90%+ of 1st generation immigrants vote Democrat. It guarantees the Democrats control the House and Senate for generations to come.
The second, is that any laws put in place have to deal with the fact that there are likely more than 20 million people here illegally. Even if you created the Gestapo (which I know is not the intent of the enforcement crowd) you would still not evict all 20 million.
What ever solution you come up with has to pass the Democrats in Washington, and must have enough incentives to make all 20 million plus comply volunatarily. And they must voluntarily comply. ICE is having a record breaking year of deportations and at this rate it will take over 40 years to deport all of them. And that's IF no more get in illegally over the next 40 yrs.
Any plan has to deal with those two realities.
Q: What does a 20 million pound gorilla do?
A: What ever it wants.
Part of any solution has to deal with two realities.
The first is the political reality of Washington. The Democrats want to make all 20 million illegal aliens citizens. Surveys show that 90%+ of 1st generation immigrants vote Democrat. It guarantees the Democrats control the House and Senate for generations to come.
The second, is that any laws put in place have to deal with the fact that there are likely more than 20 million people here illegally. Even if you created the Gestapo (which I know is not the intent of the enforcement crowd) you would still not evict all 20 million.
What ever solution you come up with has to pass the Democrats in Washington, and must have enough incentives to make all 20 million plus comply volunatarily. And they must voluntarily comply. ICE is having a record breaking year of deportations and at this rate it will take over 40 years to deport all of them. And that's IF no more get in illegally over the next 40 yrs.
Any plan has to deal with those two realities.
Parker | 2:46 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Elizabeth can still go to school here in America.
She just need scholarships.
Scholarships are awarded to any student based on academic standing.
Scholarships come from different countries and companies. Many foreign countries, for example: England, Germany, Sweden, etc., provide scholarships.
Elizabeth is an intelligent individual.
She is already working with the INS to continue her education in America. She also has many resources for scholarships.
She just need scholarships.
Scholarships are awarded to any student based on academic standing.
Scholarships come from different countries and companies. Many foreign countries, for example: England, Germany, Sweden, etc., provide scholarships.
Elizabeth is an intelligent individual.
She is already working with the INS to continue her education in America. She also has many resources for scholarships.
Immigrant | 2:50 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
A question for all of you? Did Myles Standish obtain a legal visa to enter into
indigenous territory? I think not. Also, if we were all supposed to accept the
language of the "land," why didn't we accept the language of the
Indians? Those who are anti-immigrants need to think about it. At Ellis Island,
anybody who came was allowed in (other than those with TB). There were not
massive requirements. Had it been so, many of your grandparents would have never
made it here. And another thing, Utah at the time of Brigham Young was in
MEXICAN territory. You guys want to kick the TRUE NATIVES out when they are
down. No wonder so many of us have to look at succession through ATZLAN.
Terri | 2:54 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Where is all this holy-hate coming from? These are real people we are talking
about. I can count back 11 generations in this country and I am really sure my
early ancestor's weren't "legal". If the American Indians
were issuing visa's, my ancestor's would have ignored it and come
anyway. (And I am glad they did.) Oh, wait...let's make tons more laws,
that's always a good idea!
Patriot | 2:57 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
To Anonymous and BBKing,
First, it is not hateful for people to want their country protected, their land secured and their laws obeyed. Second, the problem with the congress and this administration is that they refuse to see that the laws are enforced and the will of the people obeyed.
Third, BBKing you are right that the Demo's want the votes of the illegals. However, have you ever heard of attrition-thrugh enforcement. This is how we enforce most of our laws in this country. We don't catch every criminal. Just as we will never round up all 20 million illegals. Have you heard of Oklahoma, Arizona and Georgia to name a few. When the laws start to be enforced the illegals leave. This is how we self deport most of the 20 million and stop the flow. It's really not that hard. It's working where the laws are enforced.
First, it is not hateful for people to want their country protected, their land secured and their laws obeyed. Second, the problem with the congress and this administration is that they refuse to see that the laws are enforced and the will of the people obeyed.
Third, BBKing you are right that the Demo's want the votes of the illegals. However, have you ever heard of attrition-thrugh enforcement. This is how we enforce most of our laws in this country. We don't catch every criminal. Just as we will never round up all 20 million illegals. Have you heard of Oklahoma, Arizona and Georgia to name a few. When the laws start to be enforced the illegals leave. This is how we self deport most of the 20 million and stop the flow. It's really not that hard. It's working where the laws are enforced.
John Parker | 3:14 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
She should stay , this is the kind of immigrants we need . she speaks english ,
she's white , she's religious and a productive person (student). This
is the immigration that America needs , our culture is european not latino or
asian.
ganabrown | 3:42 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
I is so easy to get on a soapbox on this subject. It is so easy to spread the
hate and discontent that many feel about illegal immigrants. It is difficult to
follow our own teachings of showing charity and love. It is difficult to hold
people to task, when you like them and respect them, as individuals. You want
to make excuses for those you love and condemn others that you do not know, who
are doing the same thing. It puts many of us in a catch 22 situation.
We need to follow the laws of the land, until we can change those laws. That is the way our government works. We do not need to make exuses for those who are breaking the law, we only need to uphold those laws.
I feel very sorry for this young lady and her family, as I do other illegals in much the same boat. God help them and us to do the right thing.
We need to follow the laws of the land, until we can change those laws. That is the way our government works. We do not need to make exuses for those who are breaking the law, we only need to uphold those laws.
I feel very sorry for this young lady and her family, as I do other illegals in much the same boat. God help them and us to do the right thing.
Bobby | 3:50 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Have at it you cavalier liberal morons. As anyone knows who lives in California,
it has become, crime ridden, broke, and depends on people with a few pesos left
in their pockets to support it through ever higher taxes. No nation can support
the millions of another nation without serious consequences.
Bobby | 3:55 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Censorship is a good thing, huh?
Chava | 4:38 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
That was an interesting article. The debate over the article is even more
entertaining!
Deer Valley Resident | 4:55 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
If ANYONE is not here legally they should be deported! It's called honoring
and sustaining the law!
GO UTES!!! | 5:08 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
I remember when I was discharged from the military. I moved directly to SLC and
enrolled at the Univ. of Utah...and had to pay out-of-state tuition. I'm a
born-and-raised U.S. citizen. My parents didn't contribute ONE DIME to my
education. Why should illegals be eligible for benefits that even returning
servicemen don't receive?
Chad | 5:03 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
It's pretty underhanded of the News to get a white, English speaking
illegal immigrant to "represent" all the other illegals who wish to
take advantage of our social services, including our institutions of higher
education. Illegal immigrants should NOT be allowed to reap these benefits! They
should return to their country, be it Mexico, Brazil, or England, and then enter
AND REMAIN in the country legally.
Racism | 5:16 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
This act by the Legislature comes across as racism to me, pure and simple.
Contrary to what some anti-immigration racists say, illegal aliens working in
Utah do pay taxes. Gas tax, sales tax, property tax (indirectly, I assume),
cigarette tax, liquor tax, etc. And their children are not the ones who chose
to come here. So, if their parents are paying taxes in the state of Utah, why
punish the children in this situation? Unless you're just trying to
descriminate against people of color.
There is a market for Mexican labor here in the US. There is a willing supply of Mexican labor that is willing to come to the US to fill that market demand. The problem is that US immigration policy does not allow enough Mexicans to legally move to the US to work to supply this demand, so these people just move here illegally. If the US would raise the quota to a proper level to allow enough Mexicans to move here legally to supply the demand, than we could come down hard on illegal immigrants. But if we have a bad immigration policy towards Mexicans, that's our fault. That's not their fault.
There is a market for Mexican labor here in the US. There is a willing supply of Mexican labor that is willing to come to the US to fill that market demand. The problem is that US immigration policy does not allow enough Mexicans to legally move to the US to work to supply this demand, so these people just move here illegally. If the US would raise the quota to a proper level to allow enough Mexicans to move here legally to supply the demand, than we could come down hard on illegal immigrants. But if we have a bad immigration policy towards Mexicans, that's our fault. That's not their fault.
AnonymousTOO | 6:23 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Wake Up? It seems to me that you should take your own advise. I doubt that your
brain was fully engaged this morning before your fingers typed out the hatred
that you espoused towards people who you assume to be racist. It is too bad that
the irony is lost on you. Others talk of balls of string and 20 pound gorillas,
or whatever. Those of you who side with illegal aliens by using religion and
compassion, greed, or whatever else as an excuse should take a step back and
analyze the entire situation. Sometimes, the road to hell is paved with good
intentions.
NOT RACISM | 6:43 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Its not racism to want every one treated the same. If we let the ILLEGALS have
in state tuition, why not the child of someone who lives in Evanston Wyoming and
works in Salt Lake City? This happened to a friend of mine. We we give special
treatment to the Illegals then we need to do it to all. Tell the School System
to do away with out of State tuition all together and only have one rate?
Anonymous | 9:25 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Ironic that on a day when we are all mourning the death of a kind and gentle
prophet, we're arguing about the best way to treat people unkindly and
unfairly. The children didn't come here, their parents did. We can treat
them like people and help them better themselves, or we can be vicious and watch
them make the unsavory choices that we leave them.
Comical | 9:45 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
I find most comical the complaints against the "liberal, left-wing"
media. This is the Deseret News for crying out loud. I don't live in Utah
and have been asked multiple times what it's like to have some of the main
sources of news in the state be owned and controlled by a major conservative
religion. This is not an article with a left-wing agenda. This is an article
about a real person stuck between a very difficult rock and a hard place.
Don't punish the kids, particularly the good ones, for what their parents
have done.
Reuben James | 10:10 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
I want all children to have the same kind of education that I want for my own
children. Creating obstacles for illegal alien children will only create more
problems for us in the future. I think Governor Huntsman should be applauded and
supported for his courageous decision.
Someone from Evanston, Wyoming has many more opportunities for a good education than an illegal alien.
Someone from Evanston, Wyoming has many more opportunities for a good education than an illegal alien.
John | 10:43 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
98% of students do not pay their own tuition, THEIR PARENTS PAY IT!
It is THE LAW BREAKING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT PARENTS who benefit from the tuition break.
True, the student may not be able to afford to go to school if they have to pay out of state rates.
Why should Utah taxpayers reward the parents? If the parents want to help their kids, come here LEGALLY.
It is THE LAW BREAKING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT PARENTS who benefit from the tuition break.
True, the student may not be able to afford to go to school if they have to pay out of state rates.
Why should Utah taxpayers reward the parents? If the parents want to help their kids, come here LEGALLY.
Jim Hale Eugene OR | 12:15 a.m. Jan. 29, 2008
As a Latter-Day Saint who logged onto the DesNews site simply to learn about the
passing of Gordon B. Hinkley, I must say I'm shocked at the kind of blatant
racism I see evidenced in these comments.
Very un-Mormon. Very un-Christian, too.
I, too, have relatively little sympathy for the English immigrant case focused on in the accompanying article.
But in the general case of Latino immigrants this debate is all about racism, not legality. When the Congress talks about fixing the legality problem, the foes of Latinos flip out and call it amnesty....even when accompanied by fines, requirements to learn English, etc.
That shows their true colors: racist to the core. And anti-Catholic bigots to boot.
Christ would be ashamed. He would call these people from right next door (who happen to be somewhat different from "us"), by the title of what they really are: neighbors.
At some point in time, the ancestors of most of us non-Latinos came here riding in leaky wooden boats or trailing dusty covered wagons. Do you think they would have been stopped by a less-than-grande rio or some stupid fence down by San Diego? Or some law passed by the current inhabitants.
Very un-Mormon. Very un-Christian, too.
I, too, have relatively little sympathy for the English immigrant case focused on in the accompanying article.
But in the general case of Latino immigrants this debate is all about racism, not legality. When the Congress talks about fixing the legality problem, the foes of Latinos flip out and call it amnesty....even when accompanied by fines, requirements to learn English, etc.
That shows their true colors: racist to the core. And anti-Catholic bigots to boot.
Christ would be ashamed. He would call these people from right next door (who happen to be somewhat different from "us"), by the title of what they really are: neighbors.
At some point in time, the ancestors of most of us non-Latinos came here riding in leaky wooden boats or trailing dusty covered wagons. Do you think they would have been stopped by a less-than-grande rio or some stupid fence down by San Diego? Or some law passed by the current inhabitants.
Nicholas S. | 2:21 a.m. Jan. 29, 2008
NO...
I pull one shift a day and two shifts every weekend to pay the "interest" on the loans so I can go to school. While illegals get get many things for free not just tuition and NO LOANS. You people have to WAKE UP. There is this girl in my Statistics class (one of many at our school) who gets a FULL RIDE because she is undocumented. They call it a "DIVERSITY PROGRAM." Books, Room and Board, everything. I wish I could have that deal. I on the other hand had a High School GPA of 3.15 with a 1290 SAT, born USA and get NO HELP. As for my parents, yeah they help me by giving me a home (free rent). My family has little money, we are still Americans never the less, thats about the only thing we have left.
Soon, I'm Afraid we wont even have that with the NAU.
njsilvin@eagle.fgcu.edu
Bonita Springs Florida
Florida Gulf Coast University
I pull one shift a day and two shifts every weekend to pay the "interest" on the loans so I can go to school. While illegals get get many things for free not just tuition and NO LOANS. You people have to WAKE UP. There is this girl in my Statistics class (one of many at our school) who gets a FULL RIDE because she is undocumented. They call it a "DIVERSITY PROGRAM." Books, Room and Board, everything. I wish I could have that deal. I on the other hand had a High School GPA of 3.15 with a 1290 SAT, born USA and get NO HELP. As for my parents, yeah they help me by giving me a home (free rent). My family has little money, we are still Americans never the less, thats about the only thing we have left.
Soon, I'm Afraid we wont even have that with the NAU.
njsilvin@eagle.fgcu.edu
Bonita Springs Florida
Florida Gulf Coast University
Ms Taletha | 4:07 p.m. Jan. 29, 2008
Where is MALDEF? MECHA? LULAC? La RAZA? Did I forget any anti-American
subversive groups? Why are you not standing up for an "undocumented"
student??
I hope Elizabeth remains here in the US. She is of European ancestory and time will show her to be an asset to this nation.
I hope Elizabeth remains here in the US. She is of European ancestory and time will show her to be an asset to this nation.
Jessica | 5:45 p.m. Jan. 29, 2008
my parents and I came here legally but I've been on a waiting list for the
past eight years. Its not my fault they wont process my paperwork. I completely
understand her situation. As I am in the same one. There is nothing you can do
but wait.
Bobby | 8:23 p.m. Jan. 29, 2008
Where is MALDEF? MECHA? LULAC? OR LA RAZA?
Well, Elizabeth is not part of the RAZA. I guess you were trying to educate those on this forum who agree with illegal immigration Ms Taletha? Good luck! You might try talking to a tree.
Well, Elizabeth is not part of the RAZA. I guess you were trying to educate those on this forum who agree with illegal immigration Ms Taletha? Good luck! You might try talking to a tree.
Bobby | 8:56 p.m. Jan. 29, 2008
I have to be honest Ms Taletha, the Mayor of New York and Senator McCain have a
point. If illegal aliens were deported the golf courses "would" become
ungolfable, as Mayor Bloomberg has said. So I'm serioulsy thinking of a job
in golf course maintainance. The pay isn't that bad and I would be
validating my worth as an American citizen, to Mayor Bloomberg, by doing what
illegal alien citizens do. He really is worried about the greens.
If that plan fails though, I will pick lettuce at fifty dollars an hour for Senator, John,"Americans wouldn't pick lettuce for fifty dollars an hour", McCain. If, he cheaps out and doesn't pay me the fifty, all won't be lost, because I will have established my identity has an ideal American who picks lettuce and I will then apply for tuition at a decreased rate in Arizona, McCains state. Lord, things aren't that bad afterall, I've got to start having more faith in these honorable politicians.
If that plan fails though, I will pick lettuce at fifty dollars an hour for Senator, John,"Americans wouldn't pick lettuce for fifty dollars an hour", McCain. If, he cheaps out and doesn't pay me the fifty, all won't be lost, because I will have established my identity has an ideal American who picks lettuce and I will then apply for tuition at a decreased rate in Arizona, McCains state. Lord, things aren't that bad afterall, I've got to start having more faith in these honorable politicians.
to: another | 11:14 a.m. Jan. 30, 2008
Everyhing about the story you "good friend" gave you is hogwash. It is
misrepresentations like this that fuel the confusion about our immigration laws.
This is the real story. Assuming that you "good friend" immigrated
to the US based on her marriage to an american, these are the steps that are
followed: 1. husband/fiance must submit an application to immigration for her
to get a spouse/fiance visa. He must show that they have met in person, the
marriage must be real, and he must have a job that pays above the poverty level.
If these conditions are met, she must submit to a medical examination and not
have an incurrable contagious disease and must not be a felon. Assuming these
conditions are met, She is given a visa. If she comes as a spouse, she comes as
a conditional permanent resident and can work. The condition is that the
marriage must last 2 years. If her husband dies, the condition is waived. So
the death of her husband would be in a sense a benefit not detriment as your
"good friend" claims.
to: another 2 | 11:21 a.m. Jan. 30, 2008
Since I ran out of words, I will continue here. If she came here as a fiance,
she must get married within 90 days. If not, her visa expires and she must
leave the country. If she does get married, she must apply for the conditional
resident status and can apply for a work authorization card at the same time
while the the application is being processed. Either way, as long as the
marriage happens, you "good friend" can work. Again, she must must
remain married for 2 years which is waived if he dies. After being a permanent
resident for a few years, she can apply to be a citizen whether her husband is
dead or alive, however, this has absolutely nothing with her right to work since
every permanent resident (along with those who are waiting for their
applications to be processed) has this right anyway. Also you must have a
permanent resident card or a work authorization card, which are not the same
thing, to get a social security card, not the other way around. So Another,
what's the real story and stop spreading false stories that only confuse
the otherwise confused.
Only a fraction of the problem | 1:32 p.m. Jan. 30, 2008
As others have noted, the Deseret News scores yet another article in its ongoing
litany of pro-illegal pitches. "Elizabeth" is in a minority
here�the majority of illegals ARE employed by someone else,
because they're either using a fake or stolen Social Security Number. The
Utah Attorney General's Office discovered in 2000 that 132,000 Utahns'
SSNs were being used by someone else (anyone want to hazard a guess how much
that figure has grown in 7 years?). Many of these were stolen from underage
children, so the perpetrator has quite a bit of runway before the SSN owner
begins to work or apply for a student loan, etc., and ends the party.
Anyone who has suffered identity theft knows this is NOT a victimless crime�it's our children and grand-children who are being affected.
So yes, let us by all means be humane in our treatment of illegals. No need to round them up and put them on a southbound bus (or transoceanic flight in this case). Just require employers to verify eligibility and SSN validity using the existing federal tools pre- and post-employment. They'll eventually find their own way home.
Anyone who has suffered identity theft knows this is NOT a victimless crime�it's our children and grand-children who are being affected.
So yes, let us by all means be humane in our treatment of illegals. No need to round them up and put them on a southbound bus (or transoceanic flight in this case). Just require employers to verify eligibility and SSN validity using the existing federal tools pre- and post-employment. They'll eventually find their own way home.
legal American | 4:38 p.m. Jan. 30, 2008
The illegals who have children in this country have purposely set it up this
way. They need to take their children with them when they leave. Children should
always go where the parents go. I am very happy they are working towards sending
these people home. I also hope the crime rate goes down once they exit this
country. Oh happy day!... no racism involved in my comment. I Just say, live our
laws and all will be well.
call it like it is | 1:31 a.m. Jan. 31, 2008
this debate is all about racism, not legality. When the Congress talks about
fixing the legality problem, the foes of Latinos flip out and call it
amnesty....even when accompanied by fines, requirements to learn English,
etc.
That shows their true colors: racist to the core. And anti-Catholic bigots to boot.
Christ would be ashamed. He would call these people from right next door (who happen to be somewhat different from "us"), by the title of what they really are: neighbors.
At some point in time, the ancestors of most of us non-Latinos came here riding in leaky wooden boats or trailing dusty covered wagons. Do you think they would have been stopped by a less-than-grande rio or some stupid fence down by San Diego? Or some law passed by the current inhabitants.
That shows their true colors: racist to the core. And anti-Catholic bigots to boot.
Christ would be ashamed. He would call these people from right next door (who happen to be somewhat different from "us"), by the title of what they really are: neighbors.
At some point in time, the ancestors of most of us non-Latinos came here riding in leaky wooden boats or trailing dusty covered wagons. Do you think they would have been stopped by a less-than-grande rio or some stupid fence down by San Diego? Or some law passed by the current inhabitants.
respect | 9:16 a.m. Jan. 31, 2008
To: call it like it is | 1:31 a.m. Jan. 31, 2008
If your neighbor has a fence do you hop it? If my neighbor has a fence I would not hop it. In fact I ask permission from my neighbor BEFORE I enter the property and after if I decide to stay even if they have no fence. This is called respect.
This story was about a white female. Her story is sad. She came here legally. She is here legally but cannot work. Her parents should pay for full tuition.
When our ancestors came here the place was uninhabitable for the most part. The waste land was made productive with the help of the natives. That was a different time. Many people in many countries during that time used the homestead process to aquire land.
We should be kind to our neighbors. We should show compassion. We can enforce the laws of this land at the same time. We can do all of this without hate or racism. The laws are there to protect us all.
If your neighbor has a fence do you hop it? If my neighbor has a fence I would not hop it. In fact I ask permission from my neighbor BEFORE I enter the property and after if I decide to stay even if they have no fence. This is called respect.
This story was about a white female. Her story is sad. She came here legally. She is here legally but cannot work. Her parents should pay for full tuition.
When our ancestors came here the place was uninhabitable for the most part. The waste land was made productive with the help of the natives. That was a different time. Many people in many countries during that time used the homestead process to aquire land.
We should be kind to our neighbors. We should show compassion. We can enforce the laws of this land at the same time. We can do all of this without hate or racism. The laws are there to protect us all.
respect | 12:19 p.m. Jan. 31, 2008
"When our ancestors came here the place was uninhabitable for the most
part." if a home is empty would that give you the right to move in a
claim it yours just because none was there this why laws can come short in some
circustances we have look at the issue from a reasonably human perpesctive.
LAWS have been changed time time again with an agenda behind it So the real
questions is are we agaist a fear of a cultural transformantion or simple
because of the anti sematisim go back in history see what laws were created to
stop certain immgrants from getting a piece of the AMERICAN DREAM which kept
alive mostly by the new arrivals
To the 2nd respect | 12:35 p.m. Jan. 31, 2008
If the empty home is purchased (by me) according to the customs and laws of the
time, then yes I could claim it. I cannot move in (uninvited) with my neighbors
because they have more or better bushes adorning their yard. I cannot steal the
bushes they plant just because mine died and I deserve plants. I must go through
the legal process of obtaining plants for myself. If my yard is unable to grow
bushes I can move but must do that legally and according to the customs of the
time.
Let them come legally like is customary for our county and the majority of other countries in this time. Check the customs of other countries in accepting immigrants. Check the laws and customs of the countries from which a majority of the immigrants are coming. We have very lenient laws and customs. Do not encourage lawlessness; it will not keep the American Dream alive.
Let them come legally like is customary for our county and the majority of other countries in this time. Check the customs of other countries in accepting immigrants. Check the laws and customs of the countries from which a majority of the immigrants are coming. We have very lenient laws and customs. Do not encourage lawlessness; it will not keep the American Dream alive.
Anonymous | 12:42 p.m. Jan. 31, 2008
Is this site being run by illegals? Why do you delete so many who have said
nothing that is hostile? Gee it's weird! I am ashamed that there is not
such a thing as freedom of speech on DN. I plan to stop my newspaper as well.
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Elizabeth, a student at SUU, is an illegal immigrant from Great Britain who benefits from in-state tuition through a state program.
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It's sounds so simple now to say "illegal is illegal," as though that solves everything.
Wherever we begin, let's not keep those who have been here a while and are trying to improve their status, ability to contribute to society, and role as tax-paying citizens by seeking higher education. Seems like that is one of the last places where reform is needed.