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Lawmakers try again to hike tuition for illegals
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Anonymous | 6:02 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Wow, why would Elizabeth not want to go back to Great Britin? Isnt thier
currency stronger than ours? Alot of young people move away for college, so
whats the big fuss.. At least thier she could work, and go to school. By the
time she finishes schooling and with the money she saves working in GB she could
capitalize on the exchange rate to open a business in the US when she legally
immigrates. I just love how the pro illegal immigration media tries to paint a
situation like this with dire dispair to turn the tables in thier favor. I dont
buy it.
Ronald R. | 6:07 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
I do not appreciate the pro-illegale alien, biased slant Deseret News and
Deborah Bulkeley consistantly put on immigration issues. The social and economic
strain illegal people put on our system is too heavy. They must return to their
homelands and come here the right way. If it takes ten years then thats the way
it has to be.
My son-in-law is from England. He came here legally and has done quite well without the fear of breaking the law.
My work has been taken over (forcefully) by illegal aliens and I now face an uncertain future because of illegal aliens undercuting the local wage rate.
Enough talk! Time for a call to arms and solve the matter the way George Washington did.
My son-in-law is from England. He came here legally and has done quite well without the fear of breaking the law.
My work has been taken over (forcefully) by illegal aliens and I now face an uncertain future because of illegal aliens undercuting the local wage rate.
Enough talk! Time for a call to arms and solve the matter the way George Washington did.
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Dahkta D | 6:41 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Once again the parents fail their children and blame the government. THEY the
parents, and their children, entered the US with a non-immigrant visa, knowing
full requirements. THEY, the parents flaunted the regulation and law and
REMAINED longer than permitted. Fortunate for the parents, their son was able
to petition for them. The parents received THEIR greencards (permanent
residency) which they should have immediately filed for their children. But
they didn't. There are several waivers available for the children while
their applications go through the process. It seems the attorney involved lacks
any credible knowledge on representing immigration matters. This is a
regretable situation that can only be blamed on the parents. And perhaps, this
story may bring to the forefront, MEXICO is not the only country where illegals
come from!
Paul | 7:52 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
"They are taking away our last chance to have a future of our own"
When government officials wants to be seen as having solutions to all problems, then all problems, even those caused by individuals' actions or inactions, become problems CAUSED by the government that the government has responsibility to solve. To talk about personal responsibility or the law is seen as simply uncompassionate and cruel.
How can you take away something that shouldn't have been there in the first place?
When our elected officials act like disfunctional parents, solving problems that citizens (or in this case not even citizens) brought on themselves, they we get disfunctional children (opps, citizens). I want a government that will protect me from others, not one that will kiss every fall-down booboo.
When government officials wants to be seen as having solutions to all problems, then all problems, even those caused by individuals' actions or inactions, become problems CAUSED by the government that the government has responsibility to solve. To talk about personal responsibility or the law is seen as simply uncompassionate and cruel.
How can you take away something that shouldn't have been there in the first place?
When our elected officials act like disfunctional parents, solving problems that citizens (or in this case not even citizens) brought on themselves, they we get disfunctional children (opps, citizens). I want a government that will protect me from others, not one that will kiss every fall-down booboo.
Mahonri | 7:51 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
She is here illegally. Why should she or any other criminal expect protection
and benefits? If the schools find out they have a duty to call campus security
or the police and turn her over.
She is a criminal so treat her like one. Deport this chick and prosecute any accomplices at the school for hiding her.
She is a criminal so treat her like one. Deport this chick and prosecute any accomplices at the school for hiding her.
Wake up | 7:58 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Oh and I'm sure with the tuition hike they would just tuck their tales
behind them, give up and go back to their home country (that they know nothing
about since they lived here just about their entire life). The only thing the
higher tuition does is to further eliminate any chance of becoming a productive
illegal as apposed to a unproductive one. We complain about all of them, yet its
really the Mexicans who commit crimes and raise our medical premiums, who really
bother us, right? Come on isn't it? Its not about breaking the law, we all
cut corners, please! They are always going to be here, but if they want to make
a living and produce instead of take, then lets not take away that opportunity.
Breaking the law excuse is just a cover up to our prejudices. Read Grapes of
Wrath. Though they were not illegal, but they were treated as such and any
opportunity to progress was taken away from them, then all the locals complained
about them because they weren't productive.
Another | 8:00 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
I have a good friend who came to the US (legally) from Canada and was married to
a US citizen and has US citizen children. However, her husband died before she
could obtain her citizenship. After he died, she was unable to obtain a green
card or social security card for three years. She could be in the US legally,
but could not WORK in the US legally. I believe that is the case with Elizabeth.
She can BE here legally, but cannot WORK here legally, and going home to
England will make that situation worse, not better.
Back to my friend. She remarried about a year ago to another US citizen. This may help her get citizenship quicker, but she is still on a waiting list. In the interim, without a green card, she can't get a social security number. And without a social security number, she can't get a green card. The fact that she doesn't have a social security number has made it impossible for her to be added to her new husband's health insurance.
Back to my friend. She remarried about a year ago to another US citizen. This may help her get citizenship quicker, but she is still on a waiting list. In the interim, without a green card, she can't get a social security number. And without a social security number, she can't get a green card. The fact that she doesn't have a social security number has made it impossible for her to be added to her new husband's health insurance.
Chuck | 8:04 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
This is such stupid legislation! It is not the student's fault they are
here. They and their parents pay taxes here. This legislation condemns people
and their futures, making education harder to get. The students didn't
break any law. Why punish them?!!
It is in OUR interest to provide a tuition break for all residents of the state. Education pays dividends, both to the student and our society. Their parents ARE paying taxes that pay for this help for students. Why do we allow ourselves to become polarized into thinking this "defends" our country when it does not!
It is in OUR interest to provide a tuition break for all residents of the state. Education pays dividends, both to the student and our society. Their parents ARE paying taxes that pay for this help for students. Why do we allow ourselves to become polarized into thinking this "defends" our country when it does not!
I'm sorry but. . . . | 8:31 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
illegal is illegal. I have even less sympathy for illegals from England than I
do for those from Latin American (and I don't have any sympathy for them!).
The parents of this girl started it all and got rewarded with green cards,
which is too bad. They should have been shipped back, bag and baggage, to
England. I knew an English couple who got lucky with the Amnesty Bill and a lot
of us who were in the meeting when the woman bragged about it were not amused.
And that was before the current crop of illegals overwhelmed us.
And why should illegals (of any color) get a tution break? Our children sure don't! Make a dollar too much and they can't even get student loans.
And why should illegals (of any color) get a tution break? Our children sure don't! Make a dollar too much and they can't even get student loans.
Scooter | 8:36 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Wow, what a difference (hypocritical, that is) between the known illegals here
and those that are here doing the paperwork to stay here legally.
For a great example look at this girl (& others), then see the story about the family from India, that runs the hotel business in Green River. They were deported since they were following the rules, leaving behind their boy to run the family business.
If you are here illegally,(no matter what race, color, creed, gender, shape, religion, etc.), don't ask for special favors, don't act like it's the governments fault, don't act shocked when you can't get a job, just get busy on finding a way to comply with the law, become legal & you are welcome here in the melting pot.
AIMHO
For a great example look at this girl (& others), then see the story about the family from India, that runs the hotel business in Green River. They were deported since they were following the rules, leaving behind their boy to run the family business.
If you are here illegally,(no matter what race, color, creed, gender, shape, religion, etc.), don't ask for special favors, don't act like it's the governments fault, don't act shocked when you can't get a job, just get busy on finding a way to comply with the law, become legal & you are welcome here in the melting pot.
AIMHO
Another(2) | 8:38 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
I recently met up with a former business school student of mine. She came to
the US (Boston) from Iceland in the late 90s on a student visa. While in
business school, she married another Icelander who was doing his medical
residency in Boston after getting his MD from Johns Hopkins. They went back to
Iceland for five years and then she got sponsored by a major US corporate. Her
visa allowed her family to get visas as well, so he and their 2 kids retuned to
Boston, perfectly legally. He took a few months of to get them and the kids
settled and then applied back at the hospital he interne at. When the hospital
tried to sponsor his visa, they found out that he was supposed to apply for the
visa before leaving Iceland, but that since he had already come to the US under
his wife's visa, he is subject to some quota on foreign doctors living
(legally) in the US. It will take 5-10 years before he can get permission to
work. Apparently there are thousands of foreign doctors on the wait list. They
are here legally, want to work but can't get a green card.
Legal | 8:38 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
If you come here legally you should get all of the benefits of a legal resident.
But come here illegally and suffer the consequences. That is the way is should
be. The law was broken by her parents and they need to fix that so that their
daughters will have a chance here. I realize these girls did not have much of a
choice but it can all be corrected by doing what it takes to become legal, no
matter how difficult that may be. Then they can fulfill their American dream.
really? | 8:39 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
These children of illegals are not criminals. This girl's parents are
paying income taxes. That money pays for public education of which our state
colleges are a part of. Therefore, her parents do pay. The immigration laws
need to be changed. Legal immigration in this situation is flawed.
It is not right to punish the child for the sins of the father and mother. This child should be eligible for citizenship in a world of fairness. Should the U.S. remain unfair? If these children are not educated, they will not resort to self employment, they will resort to crime to survive. Desperate people do desperate things.
It is not right to punish the child for the sins of the father and mother. This child should be eligible for citizenship in a world of fairness. Should the U.S. remain unfair? If these children are not educated, they will not resort to self employment, they will resort to crime to survive. Desperate people do desperate things.
Heartless and Cruel | 8:45 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
What part of she came here at 4 years old don't some of you understand.
Just ship her back to England? She should go back willingly? All she knows is
Utah, through no fault of her own. To think she can simply pack up and go back
to England is ridiculous. Where's she gonna go there? And for the sad
soul ready to take up arms and go "George Washington" on the
immigrants, simply pathetic. Go get an education so you can offer more to
society than the cheap menial labor position you're about to lose to an
immigrant.
cagirl | 8:48 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Sounds like a wasted space at SUU if she can't even work legally when
she's done. I bet there is another qualified student who could actually
use the education who really wanted to go there. Ironic.
re Chuck | 8:52 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Actually, the stupid legislation is the one that makes these kids
"illegal" when they and their parents have done everything legal up to
this point. How stupid that legally filing for their children's green card
can result in 10 years deportation. Illegal is illegal, but if we're going
to hold the line on illegal immigration, we need to change some of these stupid
laws that make otherwise upright and contributing people "illegal"
Brad G. | 8:54 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
We need to recognize that the legislature is not looking at "raising
tuition" for undocumented students. Rather, they want to stop using tax
dollars to subsidize the education of people who don't pay taxes.
Undocumented workers do not pay income taxes, so why should the state use tax
money to subsidize their educations??
Do like Washington? | 8:54 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Oh wait, George Washington was breaking the laws of the land too. He was a
leader of an illegal revolution against the laws of the time. Should he have
just turned himself in to the nearest British magistrate or whatever and
submitted himself to be punished according to the laws then in effect?
Don't even try to use the founding fathers to back up your claims. Their actions were just as rebellious and illegal, if not more so than the majority of these immigrants just trying to make a better life for themselves.
Don't even try to use the founding fathers to back up your claims. Their actions were just as rebellious and illegal, if not more so than the majority of these immigrants just trying to make a better life for themselves.
KSue | 8:59 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
I get so tired of hearing the complaints from illegals. They are getting their
education paid for while I have to pay for legal children. My husband and I pay
for two children to go to college with out help from our own government. But
our government pays for all these illegals. Where is the justice in that?
To: I'm sorry but... | 9:05 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
No sympathy, huh? Maybe you should try working for 20 dollars a day, in the
stifling heat, trying to pay rent and feed your family at the same time. Blame
them for trying to succeed in another country, that's real American of
you.
While being a white male with US citizenship, I find it incredible how quick we are to shut doors on everyone else that tries to succeed in this country, being from here or not! The future will bring more illegals here, not less. The only thing that we can do is grant amnesty for those that are here, so that they CAN pay taxes. Don't kick out people that are boosting our economy and doing work that you or any other average American would never do (ie. field labor, factory work, ect...).
While being a white male with US citizenship, I find it incredible how quick we are to shut doors on everyone else that tries to succeed in this country, being from here or not! The future will bring more illegals here, not less. The only thing that we can do is grant amnesty for those that are here, so that they CAN pay taxes. Don't kick out people that are boosting our economy and doing work that you or any other average American would never do (ie. field labor, factory work, ect...).
out of state | 9:14 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
My husband and I lived in Utah for 15 years, paid taxes and had children there.
A few years ago we relocated to another state. Now one of my chilren wants to
attend college in Utah. Since we are now out-of-state we get to pay triple the
tuition for him. There is nobody crying out for us to lower our tuition despite
the fact that we broke no law.
Yet these people, who DID break the law have all these bleeding hearts stepping forward to make the Utah taxpayers pick up the bill.
There should be equal treatment for all. Either charge the same amount for everyone, in state or out, or make ALL the foreigners pay the higher rate, not just the out-of-staters who are honest about their current address.
Yet these people, who DID break the law have all these bleeding hearts stepping forward to make the Utah taxpayers pick up the bill.
There should be equal treatment for all. Either charge the same amount for everyone, in state or out, or make ALL the foreigners pay the higher rate, not just the out-of-staters who are honest about their current address.
KSue??? | 9:51 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Did your kids pay in-state tuition? If so then this mythical education
"paid for" by the government was extended to your kids as well.
C'mon people, can we turn on our brains here? You all seem so excited
about the prospect of proving to the world just how much you've turned your
brains over to your hate radio heroes. Can we maybe occasionally turn out an
original thought? I know it's hard once you turn on the radio, but I
promise that thinking for yourself won't hurt too much.
Roberto | 10:09 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Charity is not found in conforting words spoken in Sunday School classes. It is
found in helping even the least of all, the sinners, and the hated
Sammaritans.
Who are your neighbors? For Utahns, They might be undocumented individuals who are being treated as second class individuals, like a pest. What a shame! As a Mormon, it hurts me to hear my fellow church goers to take this negative stand and to persecute others the way we, LDS people, have been and are currently persecuted. What would Jesus do?
Good feelings at church are not enough to get you eternal life, But action, love, compation, charity.
Who are your neighbors? For Utahns, They might be undocumented individuals who are being treated as second class individuals, like a pest. What a shame! As a Mormon, it hurts me to hear my fellow church goers to take this negative stand and to persecute others the way we, LDS people, have been and are currently persecuted. What would Jesus do?
Good feelings at church are not enough to get you eternal life, But action, love, compation, charity.
Fedup with illegals | 10:36 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Illegal is illegal no matter what color you are!
Go home Elizabeth. England is a decent Country.
Go home Elizabeth. England is a decent Country.
legalatina | 10:45 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
She's an illegal alien....if she and her family were so concerned about the
cost of college-tuition...did it ever occur to them that for example, in Mexico,
all the public universities are FREE for MExican nationals and most do not
require an entrance exam? In most of Latin America, public
colleges/universities are free or at most tuition costs about the same as one
year's worth of textbooks at an equivalent college/university in the United
States. Students like Elizabeth have every right and opportunity to pursue
their higher education at a far more affordable cost including for housing back
in their home countries. People like Elizabeth would be most welcomed at these
institution. Once she completes her degree back in her home country, and armed
with her English skills, she'd have a better chance of obtaining visa to
legally re-enter the United States. If not, certainly her skills/education
could be put to good use helping her native homeland.
Boss | 10:46 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
What would Jesus Do? That is one of the more stupid expressions. What would I
do? I would deport every single illegal no matter where they are from.
When you start making exceptions that is where it gets complicated. Follow the law for everyone and not just some complaining illegals. Non of my relatives nor I ever get a freebie crumb let alone a loaf.
Deport them all.
When you start making exceptions that is where it gets complicated. Follow the law for everyone and not just some complaining illegals. Non of my relatives nor I ever get a freebie crumb let alone a loaf.
Deport them all.
US Citizen Born Abroad | 10:50 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
When the time comes for me to have that final interview, I can rest assured that
I will be able to report that I came to this country legally, as a "US
Citizen Born Abroad". Then again, in the long run my immigration status in
the US might matter less than my obedience to the commandment of loving
"the Lord [m]y God... and the second [which] is like unto it, Thou shalt
love thy neighbor as thyself."
What do you think?
What do you think?
ItsJustNotFair | 10:55 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Going to college is a privilege, not a right. A poor American citizen from
another state wouldn't receive the educational subsidy. Why should the
illegal immigrant get one? I don't mind them getting into college, but
treating them financially better than a fellow American citizen from another
state is wrong. We have the in-state tuition to reward and ensure Utah citizens
prosper. Lets be fair to all citizens
whmcdonald | 11:15 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
the taxpayer should not be held financially responsible for the bad (illegal )
choices made by the parents . charity is voluntary and should not be imposed
on the taxpayer by law.
Anonymous | 11:16 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
What has this got to do with LDS? Nothing!!! Leave that alone people!
I have zero compassion, or sympathy for anyone's whining about their tuition of any kind. Legal or illegal. If a college is what you want you work your tail off and get one somehow. Go in debt or take 6 years to do it--life will still be good--really! If you want a good one go to a private school and really stop whining about in-state/out of state off topic garbage.
The comments about the "government taking away" anything from her is so so so wrong! Her parents are responsible for her+situation-period! The reporter who did this piece should be ashamed.
No one is persecuting this girl or her parents!
I have zero compassion, or sympathy for anyone's whining about their tuition of any kind. Legal or illegal. If a college is what you want you work your tail off and get one somehow. Go in debt or take 6 years to do it--life will still be good--really! If you want a good one go to a private school and really stop whining about in-state/out of state off topic garbage.
The comments about the "government taking away" anything from her is so so so wrong! Her parents are responsible for her+situation-period! The reporter who did this piece should be ashamed.
No one is persecuting this girl or her parents!
lvman | 11:23 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
There is something seriously wrong with this story. Her parents came to the US
on what kind of visa to start a business? A tourist visa? A work visa? To
those of us who understand immigration law, which is not very complicated, this
story makes no sense. Why don't you go back and get some facts before you
do this story.
RealAmerica | 11:26 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
No one seems to question the backlog of immigration processing caused by our
clogged immigration courts and overworked case officers. The impact of illegal
alien invaders has a direct impact on the time it takes to process the
applications of law-abiding immigrants.
So how insane is it that ALL the Democratic presidential candidates, and most of the Republican candidates support AMNESTY for the illegal alien invaders? If we can't deal with the workload of the couple of million applications now, it is CRAZY to think we can deal with 10 times the number under 'comprehensive immigration reform'.
So how insane is it that ALL the Democratic presidential candidates, and most of the Republican candidates support AMNESTY for the illegal alien invaders? If we can't deal with the workload of the couple of million applications now, it is CRAZY to think we can deal with 10 times the number under 'comprehensive immigration reform'.
Robert D | 11:32 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
I support this bill in principle, but think it's a misdirected airport.
I'm more concerned about crime, uninsured drivers, and other more pressing
issues than kids in college. If we're enforcing the law only fitfully, why
start with those kids?
curtis | 11:40 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Build a fence and give any illegal who wants to go to college and work hard
legal citazinship. These are the kind of people we want in this country. Let
the american dream live on.
tenx | 11:43 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
I support all legislation aimed at restricting Illegal Immigration. CALL YOUR
LEGISLATOR AND GIVE YOUR SUPPORT ALSO. There are 3.6 billion people who would
all like to enter this country if they could. We can't accommodate all of
them, unfortunately. We must go by the rule of law in this matter. If the
American Tax Paying Citizen from Preston who goes to Logan has to pay
out-of-state tuition why allow an Illegal from any foreign country to pay
in-state tuition?
Ex_OC | 11:48 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
"College is the one chance we have," she says. "They are taking
away our last chance to have a future of our own."
Huh? Last I heard there were colleges in GB too. Why do all illegals think that America is their "last chance"?? There are a gazillion other countries out there and GB happens to one of the best. Please, enough of the SOB stories.
Huh? Last I heard there were colleges in GB too. Why do all illegals think that America is their "last chance"?? There are a gazillion other countries out there and GB happens to one of the best. Please, enough of the SOB stories.
Justme | 11:49 a.m. Jan. 28, 2008
The comment has been made several times that the parents pay taxes, so they
deserve the benefits from that. However, in most cases, illegals do not pay
income tax because they are being paid under the table. Another symptom of a
system that doesn't work.
same all | 12:00 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH .. LEGALIZATION is the ANWSER..i'm voting for a CANDIDATE
that supports it Let the american dream live on.
Honor Hinkley, not his words. | 12:29 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
I guess Utah seems hell bent on honoring Hinkley but not what he said, Keep
compassion in mind.
Ali | 12:36 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Scooter referred to the Sah family of Green River. Actually, they were not
legal immigrants. They came on nonimmigrant (student) visas which required them
to prove they would return home to India. Their asylum claim was based on the
claim that they, part of the Hindu majority, would be persecuted by Muslims for
Mr. Sah's activities against Muslims as part of a group which blew up a
mosque. While they stretched out the asylum process, they received permits to
work here, but that doesn't make them legal permanent residents. They
gambled and lost on the asylum claim. By the way, roughly 40 percent of illegal
aliens are such because they violated the terms of their visas. Asylum claims
are a favorite stalling tactice and most claimants don't even show up for
their hearings, but vanish into the US.
Larry | 12:39 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
The more I search and read
All the laws in Utah are in Violatoion of the constitution
Figure that one out!
All the laws in Utah are in Violatoion of the constitution
Figure that one out!
Ali | 12:40 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
To I'm sorry but claims that we've "shut the doors" and that
our only recourse is to give illegal aliens amnesty so that they can pay taxes.
First, we currently admit 1 million legal immigrants each year, plus a few
hundred thousand legal guest workers. That's hardly "shutting the
door". We have every right to be choosy, because immigrants compete with
Americans for jobs, and because we end up subsidizing many immigrants, legal or
illegal, but especially the illegal ones who tend to be unskilled and poorly
educated. In fact, were they legal, illegal aliens would still be part of the
working poor and we'd end up subsidizing them and their many kids even more
than we already do.
Wow | 12:43 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
I never cease to be amazed at how inhumane people can be for any number of
reasons. I'm not an advocate of legalizing any/all immigration, but lets
take a minute and realize that immigration is a complex issue. There is very
little that is white or black. These are people's lives we're talking
about. Some people, for whatever reason, blatantly decided to defy the law and
come here illegally, often times at the encouragement of our own government, for
many it wasn't so simple. Taking away one's opportunity to become
educated at a (somewhat) reasonable rate is rediculous, and will only perpetuate
the financial problems related to illegal immigration - both the poverty of the
immigrants, and the strain on the rest of the country. Sure, stipulate the
privledge based on high school attendance, family members paying taxes,
whatever. But don't deny someone access to education simply because of
rhetoric, party affiliation, bigotry, or just plain blindness.
tsm | 12:47 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
U.S. citizens COULD do the factory labor/field work if there was enough
incentive. How many people are on welfare that COULD do those jobs, but choose
to remain on welfare rather than going into the fields or factories?
The Rock | 12:51 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
It has been truly stated that you are free to choose your actions but not the
consequences of those actions. This is a sad situation.
As Americans we believe in the principle of Rule By Law. We are a nation of laws. Our laws mean nothing if we selectively enforce them. Over 80% of those who are in this country illegally could tell similar sad stories. If we listened to every one of them we would never enforce any of our immigration laws and this would destroy our great land.
This whole probems could have been avoided if this girls parents had just obeyed the law. They brought this on themselves.
As Americans we believe in the principle of Rule By Law. We are a nation of laws. Our laws mean nothing if we selectively enforce them. Over 80% of those who are in this country illegally could tell similar sad stories. If we listened to every one of them we would never enforce any of our immigration laws and this would destroy our great land.
This whole probems could have been avoided if this girls parents had just obeyed the law. They brought this on themselves.
Ali | 12:54 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
Wow--Tell us, are we to hold out the opportunity to get a college education at a
(somewhat) reasonable rate to the entire world? Or even just to citizens of the
US? Perhaps Utah is willing to provide an education to every person who wants
one, at in-state rates? Because giving in-state tution to illegal aliens is
essentially saying to every would-be illegal alien that you have only to come
here and we will provide a free K-12 education and low-cost college for your
kids. Illegal aliens do have access to college educations IF THEY CAN PAY THE
SAME FEES THAT out-of-state US citizens would. Why should they get any more of
a break than US citizens?
By the way, as someone else pointed out, illegal aliens can't work legally, so why throw good money after bad?
By the way, as someone else pointed out, illegal aliens can't work legally, so why throw good money after bad?
Ex_OC | 1:12 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
To Wow,
Actually immigration is black and white. Either you're legal or you're not. No shades of gray there!
Actually immigration is black and white. Either you're legal or you're not. No shades of gray there!
Bobby | 1:23 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
I love these politicians. Don't they have friends? Don't they have
families? You mean to tell me they are willing to sacrifice the best interests
of other American students who have to pay higher out of state tuition than
people who have never been given premission to even be here!! That's very
generous Mr./Mrs. politician. But I have to ask what American citizen gave you
the right to do that. We have some great leaders in this nation.
Patriot | 1:28 p.m. Jan. 28, 2008
To all you bleeding heart self righteous people on this post.....please read
your Bibles and Book of Mormons. It was God himself you created nations and
borders. He recognized these as important. Any God fearing people have a
sovereign right to enforce their borders and immigration laws. We as a nation
have every right under God to protect our land from invasion to protect our
people including our language and culture from the slient invasion of foreign
people who neither respected our borders, laws, language or our nation and in
many cases our culture. Please don't lecture us with your
self-righteousness. Granting the subsidy of a college education let alone the
ability to enter our Public University's while in this country illegaly is
insane and is a violation of federal law because you are harboring, abetting and
appeasing illegal aliens. It is not a sign of compassion to help law breakers
obtain the privelage of a college education. Are you kidding me? Even if the
children are not at fault for having been brought here you don't reward the
behaviour of the parents. This is not called punishing the kids, this is called
honoring, sustaining and upholding the law.
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It's sad to see a young LDS person begin adulthood in dishonesty. She would be much better off returning to her native England and applying for a student visa to return on legal footing. I've heard that student visas can be granted in as little as 3 months. Imagine the burden that could be lifted from off this young woman, knowing that she is here legally, without fear of being caught and deported.
It seem cruel to me that the state would openly encourage these young illegals who are transitioning from involuntary illegal status to choosing to remain illegals once they reach adulthood.
It also doesn't make sense to take precious tax-dollars and subsidize the education of illegals who cannot work here without breaking the law. I'm not aware of a right-to-work exemption offered to illegals who open their own business.