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Fowl play? Battle over serving duck delicacy leads to protests in Utah
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SJ | 7:02 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I have seen this served on some of the chef/cooking shows I like to watch and
thought it something that I would never want to try. Now, I think I will order
it next time I see it on the menu.
SGJ | 7:45 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
So it has always been a pricey food for the snobbish, but now, thanks to
S.H.A.R.K. and other of that ilk, it will become even rarer hence ever more
exclusive. Invest in foie gras futures today.
Pete | 8:13 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
What's next Rocky Mountain Oysters?
Viva La France, Viva La Foie Gras.
Viva La France, Viva La Foie Gras.
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Dave | 8:19 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Notice how these "do gooders" always end up resorting to terorism.
Digbads | 8:41 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Blecch! Foie gras is greasy and nasty. Its one of those "acquired"
tastes, I suppose.
Willow | 9:06 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
The SHARK protestors (or others) go way overboard when they resort to such
measures as vandalism, threats, etc. Simply write the restaurant a letter with
your concerns and then don't go there if it is so important to you. Take
your business elsewhere.
If you believe in eating meat (which I do), but are concerned about the animals' welfare then do your research to find those distributors, restaurants, grocers, etc. that fit with your values and lifestyle. Research the food label "Certifiably Humane." There are measures you, as a consumer, can take that will show grocers and other businesses what you want/don't want. But do it intelligently and sensibly.
Buy what you believe in and don't buy or support what you don't believe in. It's as simple as that.
If you believe in eating meat (which I do), but are concerned about the animals' welfare then do your research to find those distributors, restaurants, grocers, etc. that fit with your values and lifestyle. Research the food label "Certifiably Humane." There are measures you, as a consumer, can take that will show grocers and other businesses what you want/don't want. But do it intelligently and sensibly.
Buy what you believe in and don't buy or support what you don't believe in. It's as simple as that.
Zacko | 9:13 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Once again the liberal whack jobs would have us believe that the comfort of an
animal being raised for food is more important than human life and liberty.
The SHARK rep said they would turn in whoever was responsible for vandalism, but I'm sure that inside she was giddy. Especially when the restaurant caved and quit serving the dish.
Once again the noisy minority get's it's way while the silent majority gets hosed.
The SHARK rep said they would turn in whoever was responsible for vandalism, but I'm sure that inside she was giddy. Especially when the restaurant caved and quit serving the dish.
Once again the noisy minority get's it's way while the silent majority gets hosed.
Anonymous | 9:27 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I love animals ... there delicious.
Robert Hawkins | 9:39 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Ignorance can help both sides of an argument. On the one hand, some dummies will
EAT IT just to spite those they assume they don't like, the animal rights
people. But make them actually do any more than pay a bunch of money ( which
they can't afford on their uneducated-level jobs, or welfare,) such as
raise and then kill the poor bird, they'd change their tune.
On the other hand, people will refuse to EAT IT because they heard that the poor birds suffer confinement and torture, but they will vote for Bush because of the torture chambers he aknowledges he runs at Guantanamo.
The bottom line is that a bunch of mean-spirited people bicker pointlessly on-line about something neither side is mentally capable of comprehending. All these posters admit they no nothing of Foi Gras (neither do I, as shown by my probable mis-spelling) but they'll hate it or absolutely love it, simply because they don't like, or do like, whoever is for, or against it. They would eat it yumyumyum if they thought it was liverwurst (it is) or they would vomit it up if they thought it was anything else. People just like to be contrary.
On the other hand, people will refuse to EAT IT because they heard that the poor birds suffer confinement and torture, but they will vote for Bush because of the torture chambers he aknowledges he runs at Guantanamo.
The bottom line is that a bunch of mean-spirited people bicker pointlessly on-line about something neither side is mentally capable of comprehending. All these posters admit they no nothing of Foi Gras (neither do I, as shown by my probable mis-spelling) but they'll hate it or absolutely love it, simply because they don't like, or do like, whoever is for, or against it. They would eat it yumyumyum if they thought it was liverwurst (it is) or they would vomit it up if they thought it was anything else. People just like to be contrary.
mom | 9:41 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I agree. Animals are yummy. animal "rights" groups are weird.
Belgie | 9:55 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
It's an interesting tasting food, but not worth the price or all the
bickering.
The comment about sympathizing more with animals if they had to raise and kill them is not true. Widespread sympathy for animals is a relatively new phenomenon and usually only happens among people that have not spent time around animals raised for food.
The comment about sympathizing more with animals if they had to raise and kill them is not true. Widespread sympathy for animals is a relatively new phenomenon and usually only happens among people that have not spent time around animals raised for food.
Matt | 10:14 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I've had foie gras many times in France. It's great. But I agree with
the others, if you don't like it, don't eat it. That one defender
says, "There are so many other things to eat." Then you eat them!
People can eat what they want. Such stupid things to fight and waste your energy
over. Try tackling something useful.
Ing | 10:14 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Robert Hawkins, good point. Debates like this--most issues I can think of,
actually--tend to get hijacked by obsessed, short-sighted, mean-spirited people
on both sides. It's a big problem. Like Zacko said, usually what happens
is that the silent majority (or the thoughtful moderates, if you prefer) end up
getting hosed.
Is Foie Gras really the same thing as liverwurst? (Same ingredient, different form, I suuppose.) If so, why aren't people picketing sandwich shops and grocery stores? It's the "wow" factor associated with Foie Gras, I guess.
Kinda said how stupid, mean, and short-sighted some people can be.
Is Foie Gras really the same thing as liverwurst? (Same ingredient, different form, I suuppose.) If so, why aren't people picketing sandwich shops and grocery stores? It's the "wow" factor associated with Foie Gras, I guess.
Kinda said how stupid, mean, and short-sighted some people can be.
Anonymous | 10:15 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Praise to the chef for not caving in like others. I'm sure the SHARK leader
knows "nothing" about who vandalized the restaurant.
Lizzie Vonhurst | 10:15 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Animal Rights vs. Animal Welfare
An important point many people seem to be missing here: there is a different between "animal rights" and "animal welfare."
Those who support rights believe that animals should be treated exactly the same as humans. Rights supporters are against all meat-eating. They are against fish tanks, medical testing, even seeing-eye dogs. Rights supporters seek to eliminate the relationship between humans and animals completely.
Those who support welfare are those who actually make sure that the animals we use for consumption, research, and companionship are treated respectfully. These are the people who have studied foie gras farming and have found it to be humane. I suggest that those who are interested in learning more about the animal welfare aspects of foie gras farming check out the link at the end of the article for Legal Foie Gras.
Additionally, the anti-foie video referenced in the article is not to be trusted. Google "animal snuff films" to see how these types of films have been faked, exaggerated, and taken out of context. Some rights organizations have even paid people to harm animals just to get a good scary video.
An important point many people seem to be missing here: there is a different between "animal rights" and "animal welfare."
Those who support rights believe that animals should be treated exactly the same as humans. Rights supporters are against all meat-eating. They are against fish tanks, medical testing, even seeing-eye dogs. Rights supporters seek to eliminate the relationship between humans and animals completely.
Those who support welfare are those who actually make sure that the animals we use for consumption, research, and companionship are treated respectfully. These are the people who have studied foie gras farming and have found it to be humane. I suggest that those who are interested in learning more about the animal welfare aspects of foie gras farming check out the link at the end of the article for Legal Foie Gras.
Additionally, the anti-foie video referenced in the article is not to be trusted. Google "animal snuff films" to see how these types of films have been faked, exaggerated, and taken out of context. Some rights organizations have even paid people to harm animals just to get a good scary video.
Thomas | 10:24 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I'll consider vegetarianism the day dolphins do.
bob | 10:25 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
This is just another example of how the left leaning liberals resort to violence
when their argument fails to convince people who think for themselves. Many
other groups do this too, for example PETA, Enviornmental Groups ect. Liberal
groups like SHARK do not want people to think things through and come up with
their own opinions, rather they want people to just blindly believe them and
accept their thoughts as the only way to think.
no more met 4 me | 10:31 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I'll never eat there again since mini martha stewart aka karen olsen caved
in to some crackpots. the food hasn't been very good the last few times i
went there anyway.
Tim | 10:47 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I don't see how this is an animal rights issue even. It's just a most
basic decency issue. Has everyone that is posting such negative comments gone
and actually watched the footage of how foie gras is produced? I just followed
the link and was sickened. If someone did that to a few of the ducks at liberty
park everyone would call for cruelty charges - but if an industry does it we can
call it 'agriculture'. How sickening. Also - Hudson Valley Foie Gras
just had a fire and 15,000 ducks were burned alive. This is 'animal
welfare'? This sounds like cruelty to me.
Jeremy Beckham | 10:56 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I'm proud to be counted among the protesters of The Metropolitan that led
to this victory for ducks/geese. The production of foie gras is inherently
cruel. There is a reason that Chicago, California, and so many European
countries have already outlawed its production. The production process is simply
sickening.
I don't see how anyone can watch the footage of ducks/geese being force fed and not feel sympathy for what that animal is going through. Why are we being so callous? Why do we feel like one unnecessary and unhealthy menu item is worth heaps of animal suffering?
Is there ever a point that animal agricultural practices can get so horrendous that finally our society will stand up and say that enough is enough? Or will we always think that any amount of animal suffering is worth my most trivial tastes and pleasures?
I don't see how anyone can watch the footage of ducks/geese being force fed and not feel sympathy for what that animal is going through. Why are we being so callous? Why do we feel like one unnecessary and unhealthy menu item is worth heaps of animal suffering?
Is there ever a point that animal agricultural practices can get so horrendous that finally our society will stand up and say that enough is enough? Or will we always think that any amount of animal suffering is worth my most trivial tastes and pleasures?
Jeremy Beckham | 11:07 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Lizzie says the following:
"Additionally, the anti-foie video referenced in the article is not to be trusted. Google "animal snuff films" to see how these types of films have been faked, exaggerated, and taken out of context. Some rights organizations have even paid people to harm animals just to get a good scary video"
What, specifically, do you claim is staged in the footage?
In my experience showing the footage outside restaurants, most passersby are very disturbed specifically at the force-feeding footage. This footage was shot with a tiny hidden camera and shows a regular employee at Hudson Valley force-feeding the animals. So, are you seriously claiming that the force-feeding process that we see in the footage is all the work of animal whackos? Is that not an integral part of foie gras production (the defining aspect, in fact)?
Or what of the 'isolette' cages where ducks are completely immobilized in row after row of tiny cage? Do you claim that animal rights people brought in forklifts worth of isolated cages and staged all that too?
Do ducks/geese on foie gras farms have access to a standing body of water? Do you even know why that's important for ducks/geese?
"Additionally, the anti-foie video referenced in the article is not to be trusted. Google "animal snuff films" to see how these types of films have been faked, exaggerated, and taken out of context. Some rights organizations have even paid people to harm animals just to get a good scary video"
What, specifically, do you claim is staged in the footage?
In my experience showing the footage outside restaurants, most passersby are very disturbed specifically at the force-feeding footage. This footage was shot with a tiny hidden camera and shows a regular employee at Hudson Valley force-feeding the animals. So, are you seriously claiming that the force-feeding process that we see in the footage is all the work of animal whackos? Is that not an integral part of foie gras production (the defining aspect, in fact)?
Or what of the 'isolette' cages where ducks are completely immobilized in row after row of tiny cage? Do you claim that animal rights people brought in forklifts worth of isolated cages and staged all that too?
Do ducks/geese on foie gras farms have access to a standing body of water? Do you even know why that's important for ducks/geese?
To Jeremy | 11:23 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
As touched upon in the article, a wild duck is most likely far more stressed
than a farm duck. (I think that it is ridiculous that someone even measured
that.) Always looking for food, avoiding predators, enduring the cold etc.
These farm feed ducks in their heated enclosures enjoy disease and predator free
environments and plenty of food (in this case lots and lots of food). All until
the day when they are humanely killed. This seems a little nicer life than
struggling to survive on scraps in the wild waiting to be torn apart by a coyote
or hawk.
So, For every animal that you do not eat, I will eat THREE.
PS. The spotted owl taste like chicken.
So, For every animal that you do not eat, I will eat THREE.
PS. The spotted owl taste like chicken.
Sam | 11:33 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
These comments are sad to read. I think most people just
aren�t educated enough about what kind of cruelty, human
and animal, is going on in the world but to actually know what is happening to
these ducks and to support it is frankly evil. Why would anyone want to
purposely inflict torture on something that does not deserve it just so you can
get an unhealthy liver?
bob | 11:48 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I have seen the video and I don't see any problem with except that SHARK
now feels violence is justified against humans.
People, people, people! | 11:54 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I will never understand why people think their time is more valuable trying to
save a goose's liver than teaching children to read and write or helping
the elderly.
Once goose liver is off of all menus, they can work on getting dogs the right to vote and cats the right to bear arms or getting Colonel Sanders put on trial for genocide.
Animals don't have rights! People have responsibilities towards animals. There is a big difference.
Once goose liver is off of all menus, they can work on getting dogs the right to vote and cats the right to bear arms or getting Colonel Sanders put on trial for genocide.
Animals don't have rights! People have responsibilities towards animals. There is a big difference.
farm folk | 12:01 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Sorry, folks! But i just watched the video and saw the portion where some folks
saved some ducks from the farm after so called a long horrible life. Living on a
farm myself, birds are only raised for up to twelve weeks before being killed
for eating, otherwise you'd have tough, inedible meat that we couldn't
even give away to a homeless shelter! Walk in someone else's shoes for
awhile that has actually lived among God's creatures before passing
judgment.
smart utahans | 12:20 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
How refreshing to read the comments posted here! I live in Oregon and there are
WAY too many bleeding hearts here. They think it is fine to become a terrorist
and break the law if you disagree with the law. They think it is their job to
punish any business that sells fur or cuts down trees or serves goose liver.
Many businesses have gone under because of these terror tactics.
Way to go Utah for having the clearer way of thinking. Let the law of supply and demand take care of itself. If you want the product, buy it. If you think it is wrong, or inhumane to the animal, then don't buy it.
We must be tolerant of other people's beliefs. Personally, I wouldn't order this from a menu, but wouldn' take away the freedom of anyone who does wish to do so.
Way to go Utah for having the clearer way of thinking. Let the law of supply and demand take care of itself. If you want the product, buy it. If you think it is wrong, or inhumane to the animal, then don't buy it.
We must be tolerant of other people's beliefs. Personally, I wouldn't order this from a menu, but wouldn' take away the freedom of anyone who does wish to do so.
I eat meat | 12:20 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I believe that chefs and restaurants should be able to decide for themselves
what they serve. Also we should be free to decide if we want to spend our money
on food we like to eat or not. I have never tried duck liver and don't
plan on ever doing so, but if someone else does more power to them. If these
activists want to make a difference in the ways the ducks are raised fine then
but leave people to eat in peace.
Teresa Menlove | 12:22 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I agree, if you don't like it you don't have to eat it! What's
all the hoopla about. We killed lots of animals on our farm to eat when I was
young including fattening up chickens to kill in the summer and beef too. It
happens all the time. It's just the way life is.
Jeremy Beckham | 12:51 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Claims that foie gras is or is not cruel should be the focus of the discussion.
But this 'supply and demand' logic is baffling to me and circumvents
the issue. The maxim appears to me to be: if someone has a desire to inflict
cruelty to animals and they're willing to pay for it, it should be
allowed.
Apparently, Michael VIck found a large enough market to make a buck off of breeding fighting dogs. Should the authorities have intervened? If people are willing to pay to be admitted to dog/cockfights, why should we not have the philosophy that 'if you don't like it, don't pay for it'?
Or would Vick had been perfectly justified if they had sold the dead dogs for the meat market afterwards?
Does reason play a role in our society's discourse anymore? Or must we forever be inundated with comments like "spotted owls taste good" that remind me of Junior High School students?
Apparently, Michael VIck found a large enough market to make a buck off of breeding fighting dogs. Should the authorities have intervened? If people are willing to pay to be admitted to dog/cockfights, why should we not have the philosophy that 'if you don't like it, don't pay for it'?
Or would Vick had been perfectly justified if they had sold the dead dogs for the meat market afterwards?
Does reason play a role in our society's discourse anymore? Or must we forever be inundated with comments like "spotted owls taste good" that remind me of Junior High School students?
Texan | 1:09 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
This is so silly! Perhaps we should be concentrating on the welfare of hungry
and abused children in this country instead of ducks and geese. Wrong Priority!
Amanda B. | 1:22 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
It is sad when people actually base their morals on what is illegal versus
legal. The law has nothing to do with right and wrong.
Listen to your conscience, not your pocket book. Just because you won't get into legal trouble for doing something certainly doesn't mean you should do it.
Way to go SHARK! Such determination, standing up for what's right... I am truly impressed.
Listen to your conscience, not your pocket book. Just because you won't get into legal trouble for doing something certainly doesn't mean you should do it.
Way to go SHARK! Such determination, standing up for what's right... I am truly impressed.
Dave Hatfield | 1:33 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
It is amazing to me how people will defend the indefensible. Once you have the
information, you realize that the production of foie gras is an inhumane,
extremely cruel practice. Its not rocket science. Its there for anyone to
see.
If you discovered that doing these things to your dog or cat would produce some sort of "delicacy," would you do it? I doubt it. Are these ducks and geese any less important?
Personally, I can do without diseased, fatty goose and duck liver anyway.
If you discovered that doing these things to your dog or cat would produce some sort of "delicacy," would you do it? I doubt it. Are these ducks and geese any less important?
Personally, I can do without diseased, fatty goose and duck liver anyway.
Honestly | 1:43 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I read some of the comments from both sides about a subject like this and
realise why we are headed teh wrong direction. Talk about a bunch of extreme,
knee jerk reactionary people. Try mature conversation instead of resorting to
name calling, finger pointing and quotes from radio personalities.
Kelly Colobella | 1:56 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I think it's hysterical that people think that because someone cares about
an animal that automatically means they don't care about children or
starving humans... (FYI if you REALLY CARED about creating more food for the
hungry an easy way to do that is to eliminate meat from your diet, you can feed
a lot more people from the food and water used to feed the animals they use for
meat www.veganoutreach.com)
It's also really scary that anyone (did you actually WATCH the footage before you commented? Ignorance is bliss after all) can see that kind of thing and think it's ok, and then pet their cat or dog.
If you think trying to create less suffering in the world somehow infringes on your personal rights, you're kind of a sick-o.
It's also really scary that anyone (did you actually WATCH the footage before you commented? Ignorance is bliss after all) can see that kind of thing and think it's ok, and then pet their cat or dog.
If you think trying to create less suffering in the world somehow infringes on your personal rights, you're kind of a sick-o.
MA | 2:17 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Has anyone paused to think about the people involved in this debate? How about the owner and staff of the Metropolitan restaurant, do their rights matter? Imagine groups of people wearing masks and hoods to hide their identity coming to your place of work or home and screaming chants for hours. And lets not forget the three acts of vandalism on the Metropolitan. I am sure it is not pleasant to be targeted like that. Karen raises the best question in the argument "If we stop serving duck liver, should we also stop serving duck? Then what about the chicken and the beef? " People�s lives and livelihoods are involved here. Imagine Christmas with your family and loved ones being interrupted because of a broken window where you work. Imagine being afraid for your safety because you are never sure just how far radical groups will take things. I live in the USA so that I can have freedom of choice. If you don�t want Foie Gras then put it on the ballot and let the people decide!
MA | 2:19 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Tim, Did you know that the fire at Hudson Valley was an act of vandalism and
arson by an animal rights group much like SHARK.
fowl | 3:20 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
will win in the end..just like the cow, processed food,KFC(poor things get
beaten to death W/out mercy) the fish are now force fed mercury, deers,elk have
wasting disease, so quit force feeding the ducks down at the park too..LIVER
YUK..I'LL STAY W/MY COW TONGUE SANDWICH SMOTHERED IN GREY-POUPON!
mikhael | 3:20 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
these protests and actions are against something terrible, but it is not just
specific to foie gras. those chickens stacked on top of each other are cared
about just as much as these ducks and geese. people on a daily basis try to get
people to stop eating meat period. it is about stopping animal suffering and
the cruelty committed for animal based products. it sickens me that people
think this is only about getting to the rich. there are plenty of wealthy
vegans and vegetarians. it is only aimed at the animal enterprises.
and about this being the USA where freedom reigns, you can't put anything on a ballot. you have to get someone else to do it for you. this country isn't run by the people. it's run by people who are run by people who are "run" by the people. civil rights and women's suffrage weren't on the ballot, and wouldn't have been, had it not been for the activism (both legal and illegal) of the minority that needed to be heard. we are a voice for the voiceless in this world.
also, i'm sure your children don't complain while you make them fat and sick either.
and about this being the USA where freedom reigns, you can't put anything on a ballot. you have to get someone else to do it for you. this country isn't run by the people. it's run by people who are run by people who are "run" by the people. civil rights and women's suffrage weren't on the ballot, and wouldn't have been, had it not been for the activism (both legal and illegal) of the minority that needed to be heard. we are a voice for the voiceless in this world.
also, i'm sure your children don't complain while you make them fat and sick either.
clearconsciecneutah | 4:06 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
"I've been to the foie gras farm, and the geese are fine about it.
They don't mind getting fat." i'm interested in how the geese
told their side of the story...? and to say that it's only an attack on
the rich is so completely inaccurate. Animals rights activists have protested at
countless restaurants. and to say that "eating 'any' meat means
killing animals" it as obvious as saying "up is up and down is
down" We protest all killing by being vegan and not having any deaths on
our heads...
think about it
think about it
Jeremy Beckham | 4:32 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
By simply googling "Hudson Valley Foie Gras fire" I turned up several
news articles, none of which said the fire was a result of animal activists. It
appears to be a machinery accident. The owner himself, Izzy Yanay, has said it
was accidental.
Do you have a single source that says otherwise? One single source? Or is your anti-animal rights hatred confusing you so much that your imagination just got carried away?
Do you have a single source that says otherwise? One single source? Or is your anti-animal rights hatred confusing you so much that your imagination just got carried away?
Carolyn T. | 5:02 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
This is just another one of the many cruelties in the name of
"Agriculture". There are humane alternatives in most, if not all
areas of agriculture, but the dollar and material aspects win over living
creatures and how they are treated. When we can not have compassion or kindness
for ALL living things, it is a sad commentary on our morality.
Colleen Hatfield | 5:30 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I am not sure why or how some people leap to the conclusion that those who work
for the well being of animals are not actively involved in human issues as well.
This article and interview was limited to the scope of one issue; foie gras.
And so the reporter asked me specifically about my efforts on behalf of animals,
and I responded, and I responded honestly.
If she had asked me how I help the human condition, which can be very dire, I agree, I would have shown her regular contributions to Oxfam and work that I do to help provide housing for the poor. Many who do not know me, judge and find me lacking. And yet, I wonder, what do you do in all of the causes you would like to point me toward??? I do not like suffering, human or nonhuman, and work to end it whenever and wherever I can.
Warmest regards,
Colleen Hatfield
Regional Director/Showing Animals Respect & Kindness (S.H.A.R.K.)
If she had asked me how I help the human condition, which can be very dire, I agree, I would have shown her regular contributions to Oxfam and work that I do to help provide housing for the poor. Many who do not know me, judge and find me lacking. And yet, I wonder, what do you do in all of the causes you would like to point me toward??? I do not like suffering, human or nonhuman, and work to end it whenever and wherever I can.
Warmest regards,
Colleen Hatfield
Regional Director/Showing Animals Respect & Kindness (S.H.A.R.K.)
Anonymous | 8:40 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
People should not have the right to torture whomever they please. Animals exist
for their own reasons and not to be factory farmed and served on plates to the
overfed bourgoisie.
For animal liberation and class war!
:)
For animal liberation and class war!
:)
a concerned citizen | 8:50 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
FYI- Animal liberationists dont really care about what people who torture
animals THINK. They care what they DO. And there are ALOT of people out there
willing to go to great lengths to end the exploitation of this planet and ALL of
it's inhabitants. So they are not asking you to stop, they're telling,
the only question is, how far does it have to go?
in solidarity
in solidarity
MM | 9:27 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Well said MA!
Should we not be just as concerned with protecting the rights, safely and livelihoods of humans as we are ducks? Should the safety of the Metropolitan employees and patrons not be the top priority here?
What about the next Restaurant a radical group decides to prey on?
At some point someone has to be the adult and say enough is enough. Props to Karen for making that decision. It's too bad the masked protesters, who are so proud to sit behind the safety of their computer screens and stand behind their actions, but weren't proud enough to show their faces while doing it, couldn't have been more mature. Maybe they would have accomplished something more than just angering and annoying a lot of people.
Should we not be just as concerned with protecting the rights, safely and livelihoods of humans as we are ducks? Should the safety of the Metropolitan employees and patrons not be the top priority here?
What about the next Restaurant a radical group decides to prey on?
At some point someone has to be the adult and say enough is enough. Props to Karen for making that decision. It's too bad the masked protesters, who are so proud to sit behind the safety of their computer screens and stand behind their actions, but weren't proud enough to show their faces while doing it, couldn't have been more mature. Maybe they would have accomplished something more than just angering and annoying a lot of people.
Thank You | 9:48 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I have never eaten Foie Gras, but after this article I went and looked up some
video's on it. It does seem pretty cruel. I am in no ways an animal
activist. I hunt ducks and geese every fall. And many other animals. But this
just did not seem right to me. I won't order it. I was pretty apalled at
what Michael Vick did to his dogs. I don't see a huge diference here.
Other than the fact that they are eaten. Let's just end it peacefully. If
sacrificing a little pleasure for my pallet means ending the suffering of an
animal, count me in. But I'm still going to hunt.
JB | 10:45 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
The the sad reality with groups like SHARK is they act like the Sinn Fein and
the IRA to direct action groups like the ALF. They can protest, and make
petitions and have their 'hand clean' while the other groups engage in
acts of domestic terrorism. They say it's terrible when windows get
broken, and paint gets splattered across a window then they reap the rewards of
such actions. It's guilt by silence. They may not do it themselves, but at
the same time they are unwilling to turn in those who do.
Hungry | 10:55 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Big deal, it's just a duck. One of my favorite past times is blowing those
dirty birds out of the sky.
Cheeth | 11:28 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I don't personally believe in being mean
Animals don't care about foie gras OR you. Any of you. What's that? You say your dog likes you? That's because you give him food. Try not feeding him for a while and see how much he likes you then. And I bet you physically restrained him in order to get him to stick around, didn't you? You want to know what your dog cares about? Food. Attention. Sniffing other dogs' butts. Making puppies. Surviving.
Animals are only pursuing their own survival.
So are humans, and for you to try and prevent another human from living however they choose is wrong, as long as they aren't infringing on another human's rights. If you try and apply this to animals, you draw a line that leads to ridiculous scenarios and overall, greatly diminished freedom. If you don't think something is right, don't do it. Forcing your beliefs on others is hypocrisy.
I am sure that plenty of Utah animal activists hate it when LDS people in Utah push their beliefs on others (as do I). This is the very same thing.
Animals don't care about foie gras OR you. Any of you. What's that? You say your dog likes you? That's because you give him food. Try not feeding him for a while and see how much he likes you then. And I bet you physically restrained him in order to get him to stick around, didn't you? You want to know what your dog cares about? Food. Attention. Sniffing other dogs' butts. Making puppies. Surviving.
Animals are only pursuing their own survival.
So are humans, and for you to try and prevent another human from living however they choose is wrong, as long as they aren't infringing on another human's rights. If you try and apply this to animals, you draw a line that leads to ridiculous scenarios and overall, greatly diminished freedom. If you don't think something is right, don't do it. Forcing your beliefs on others is hypocrisy.
I am sure that plenty of Utah animal activists hate it when LDS people in Utah push their beliefs on others (as do I). This is the very same thing.
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