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All for the excitement | 11:36 p.m. Jan. 12, 2008
"all talk and rhetoric" So what? It is not like anyone else has much
vision or substance much less talk. All politicians try to talk a good game,
few do anything anyway. O'bama reminds me of Kennedy. Who also was more
of a talker than a doer. In all honesty I'm likely to vote for the talker
because I don't see any doer's in either party
wrz | 12:04 a.m. Jan. 13, 2008
We don't need a president who sits down and cries when asked a simple
question like: "How do you keep doing it?"
What if she had to make a tough decision like take our country to war... Ans: She'd ask her husband, Bill what to do.
What if she had to make a tough decision like take our country to war... Ans: She'd ask her husband, Bill what to do.
Anonymous | 7:13 p.m. Jan. 13, 2008
WOW!!
we all have that great freedom to express our opinions. I am for Hilary Clinton!! Look at the experience she has to lean on to get us out of the mess we are in. Not just the WAR, other issues as well. Forget the Ethnic, Religion, Gender and whatever else can cloud our minds. She does have her own experience and has done a great job. Obama is a nice guy, I want someone who will fight for the middle class, health issues, economical issues, and draw all to a meeting of the minds. The Clinton's like JFK have reached out to all Minority's and gave hope and financial stability when President Bill clinton served. Hope to see Obama run in another era. He and we are not ready for him and lack of experience to run our country and our lives. Wake up Folks!!
we all have that great freedom to express our opinions. I am for Hilary Clinton!! Look at the experience she has to lean on to get us out of the mess we are in. Not just the WAR, other issues as well. Forget the Ethnic, Religion, Gender and whatever else can cloud our minds. She does have her own experience and has done a great job. Obama is a nice guy, I want someone who will fight for the middle class, health issues, economical issues, and draw all to a meeting of the minds. The Clinton's like JFK have reached out to all Minority's and gave hope and financial stability when President Bill clinton served. Hope to see Obama run in another era. He and we are not ready for him and lack of experience to run our country and our lives. Wake up Folks!!
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Onefiveone | 9:03 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
I think Obama represents a new generation in this country in regards to
politics, beliefs and culture. Why do you think we've seen more younger
voters turn out, why do people who are not democrats voting for him. After the
mess this country is in after the Bush era, we honestly need change here at home
and all around the world. Obama is that change!!!
Darren Johnson | 9:38 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
After reading all of the comments on this story, I am both shocked and
disappointed in the people of Utah. Most of these comments only confirm the
perception that this state is full of narrow-minded drones...
I was recently forwarded the chain email that was spreading the FALSE rumors about Obama (many of which are echoed above), and it just made me sad. The worst part was that there were about 150 good LDS people (nice, normal people...) on the email, all seemingly unaware of the blatant lies it contained. Go to snopes dot com and look it up before you believe such intolerant, bigoted trash.
No matter what your political beliefs, religious views or personal opinions, this type of intolerance and bigotry are not values that the will help us to solve the enormous problems this country faces.
If you are upset at the media for shunning Mitt (who I think is a great candidate for president) because of FALSE beliefs about his religion, then I would expect you to be empathetic about the same type of thing for any other candidate.
Go to Obamas website. Do your research. Watch his speeches. Then make up your mind.
I was recently forwarded the chain email that was spreading the FALSE rumors about Obama (many of which are echoed above), and it just made me sad. The worst part was that there were about 150 good LDS people (nice, normal people...) on the email, all seemingly unaware of the blatant lies it contained. Go to snopes dot com and look it up before you believe such intolerant, bigoted trash.
No matter what your political beliefs, religious views or personal opinions, this type of intolerance and bigotry are not values that the will help us to solve the enormous problems this country faces.
If you are upset at the media for shunning Mitt (who I think is a great candidate for president) because of FALSE beliefs about his religion, then I would expect you to be empathetic about the same type of thing for any other candidate.
Go to Obamas website. Do your research. Watch his speeches. Then make up your mind.
Scott | 12:06 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
I couldn't agree with Darren more. I'm stunned by the narrow-minded
comments posted here. The fact that people rely on unsubstantiated (and
unfounded) internet rumors to inform their opinion is both sad and revealing.
And that doesn't even address the blatant bigotry and racism. After reading
some of these posts I'm embarrassed to be from Utah.
For those who believe that Obama is all talk, please read his speeches and position papers. I don't see how his proposals are any less detailed than Hillary's, Mitt's or anyone elses. And if you don't believe that words matter (as Hillary said) then you probably don't think much of MLK, JFK, Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther, etc. The ability to inspire the American people to believe in something more than themselves is something that has been missing in our country for too many years. Words matters. Hope matters. Especially after Bush.
Look, I worked for Mitt at SLOC. I like him. I trust his character. He's the only Republican I'd vote for. In fact, I've always voted Republican, but the person we need now is Obama.
For those who believe that Obama is all talk, please read his speeches and position papers. I don't see how his proposals are any less detailed than Hillary's, Mitt's or anyone elses. And if you don't believe that words matter (as Hillary said) then you probably don't think much of MLK, JFK, Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther, etc. The ability to inspire the American people to believe in something more than themselves is something that has been missing in our country for too many years. Words matters. Hope matters. Especially after Bush.
Look, I worked for Mitt at SLOC. I like him. I trust his character. He's the only Republican I'd vote for. In fact, I've always voted Republican, but the person we need now is Obama.
Get Seious Jay | 12:19 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Jay - you wrote "ONLY when the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
supports Obama will I support him!"
Are you serious Jay? You are going to be waiting a long time if you are waiting for the LDS Church to support a candidate of any party. Haven't you heard the many letters from the First Presidency over the years that basically say the church endorses no party and that leaders and members of the church should make no comments that can be construed as church support for a particular political party? The LDS church (gasp) will never endorse Mitt Romney or anyone else.
Are you serious Jay? You are going to be waiting a long time if you are waiting for the LDS Church to support a candidate of any party. Haven't you heard the many letters from the First Presidency over the years that basically say the church endorses no party and that leaders and members of the church should make no comments that can be construed as church support for a particular political party? The LDS church (gasp) will never endorse Mitt Romney or anyone else.
Franky | 2:17 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
"Get Seious.." - Right On!
Anonymous | 4:14 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
GO OBAMA! Change the world!
Shed some light | 5:06 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Can anyone tell me why I got an e-mail showing a picture of the Democratic
candidates saying the pledge of allegiance with their hands over their hearts
and Obama not saying it nor placing his hand over his heart? Not looking for a
fight, just an explanation.
Walter | 8:43 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Early Years
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4th, 1961. His father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya, where he grew up herding goats with his own father, who was a domestic servant to the British.
Barack's mother, Ann Dunham, grew up in small-town Kansas. Her father worked on oil rigs during the Depression, and then signed up for World War II after Pearl Harbor, where he marched across Europe in Patton's army. Her mother went to work on a bomber assembly line, and after the war, they studied on the G.I. Bill, bought a house through the Federal Housing Program, and moved west to Hawaii.
It was there, at the University of Hawaii, where Barack's parents met. His mother was a student there, and his father had won a scholarship that allowed him to leave Kenya and pursue his dreams in America.
Barack's father eventually returned to Kenya, and Barack grew up with his mother in Hawaii, and for a few years in Indonesia. Later, he moved to New York, where he graduated from Columbia University in 1983.
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4th, 1961. His father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya, where he grew up herding goats with his own father, who was a domestic servant to the British.
Barack's mother, Ann Dunham, grew up in small-town Kansas. Her father worked on oil rigs during the Depression, and then signed up for World War II after Pearl Harbor, where he marched across Europe in Patton's army. Her mother went to work on a bomber assembly line, and after the war, they studied on the G.I. Bill, bought a house through the Federal Housing Program, and moved west to Hawaii.
It was there, at the University of Hawaii, where Barack's parents met. His mother was a student there, and his father had won a scholarship that allowed him to leave Kenya and pursue his dreams in America.
Barack's father eventually returned to Kenya, and Barack grew up with his mother in Hawaii, and for a few years in Indonesia. Later, he moved to New York, where he graduated from Columbia University in 1983.
Walter-3 | 8:58 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Political Career
It has been the rich and varied experiences of Barack Obama's life - growing up in different places with people who had differing ideas - that have animated his political journey. Amid the partisanship and bickering of today's public debate, he still believes in the ability to unite people around a politics of purpose - a politics that puts solving the challenges of everyday Americans ahead of partisan calculation and political gain.
In the Illinois State Senate, this meant working with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.
It has been the rich and varied experiences of Barack Obama's life - growing up in different places with people who had differing ideas - that have animated his political journey. Amid the partisanship and bickering of today's public debate, he still believes in the ability to unite people around a politics of purpose - a politics that puts solving the challenges of everyday Americans ahead of partisan calculation and political gain.
In the Illinois State Senate, this meant working with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.
Walter-4 | 9:02 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
In the U.S. Senate, he has focused on tackling the challenges of a globalized,
21st century world with fresh thinking and a politics that no longer settles for
the lowest common denominator. His first law was passed with Republican Tom
Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to
go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent. He has
also been the lead voice in championing ethics reform that would root out Jack
Abramoff-style corruption in Congress.
As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan. Recognizing the terrorist threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, he traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world.
As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan. Recognizing the terrorist threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, he traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world.
Walter-5 | 9:08 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
And knowing the threat we face to our economy and our security from
America's addiction to oil, he's working to bring auto companies,
unions, farmers, businesses and politicians of both parties together to promote
the greater use of alternative fuels and higher fuel standards in our cars.
Whether it's the poverty exposed by Katrina, the genocide in Darfur, or the role of faith in our politics, Barack Obama continues to speak out on the issues that will define America in the 21st century. But above all his accomplishments and experiences, he is most proud and grateful for his family. His wife, Michelle, and his two daughters, Malia, 9, and Sasha, 6, live on Chicago's South Side where they attend Trinity United Church of Christ.
t 4th, 1961. His father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya, where he grew up herding goats with his own father, who was a domestic servant to the British.
Whether it's the poverty exposed by Katrina, the genocide in Darfur, or the role of faith in our politics, Barack Obama continues to speak out on the issues that will define America in the 21st century. But above all his accomplishments and experiences, he is most proud and grateful for his family. His wife, Michelle, and his two daughters, Malia, 9, and Sasha, 6, live on Chicago's South Side where they attend Trinity United Church of Christ.
t 4th, 1961. His father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya, where he grew up herding goats with his own father, who was a domestic servant to the British.
tp in colorado | 9:22 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
I decided I would vote for Obama, if he ever ran for President, when I read his
book. (Even though I don't believe in all he would want to do, but I do
think he would be great for this country and the many of the other countries,
especially Africa)
I read it awhile back, but I remember that his father left at a young age, he lived in Indonesia, and there was very little religion in his life as a child. And he joined a form of the Church of Christ as a young adult. I think he was never muslim. (Although Indonesia is mostly muslim.)
I do think Romney would be the front runner if he was another religion. This makes me very sad that he has lost a percentage of people because they think we are a cult or worst. I have only been LDS for three years but if people really knew LDS people they from love them.
I read it awhile back, but I remember that his father left at a young age, he lived in Indonesia, and there was very little religion in his life as a child. And he joined a form of the Church of Christ as a young adult. I think he was never muslim. (Although Indonesia is mostly muslim.)
I do think Romney would be the front runner if he was another religion. This makes me very sad that he has lost a percentage of people because they think we are a cult or worst. I have only been LDS for three years but if people really knew LDS people they from love them.
Contrarian | 12:38 a.m. Jan. 15, 2008
Barak Obama is not a black man. He is not a white man. He is a contrivance
designed to confound us. He has been groomed by the usual suspects since his
second year at Occidental. His celebrity will reinforce every dishonest argument
in favor of diversity, affirmative action, race-mixing, integration, third world
immigration, the "rights" of sexual deviants, abortion
"rights", the abolition of Christian holidays, symbols and ideals, the
support of globalism, the insertion of Talmudic ideas into our public life,
support for Israel and Zionism, the falsification of history, and the worship of
Mammon as a replacement for all we have lost as a people.
Wow! | 11:18 a.m. Jan. 15, 2008
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Obama, Davis County for Obama, Dixie4Obama, Faith-Action-Change Utah, Latinos 4
Obama, mamas 4 obama, Mormons for Obama, Salt Lake City For Obama, university of
utah for obama, Utah Catholics For Obama, Utah County for Obama, Utah
Environmentalists for Obama, Utah for Obama, Utah for Obama Steering Committee,
Utah State University for Obama, UVSC for Barack Obama, Weber County for Obama,
Westminster college for obama
jfrazier | 11:31 a.m. Jan. 15, 2008
I think Obama is a good man from all I can tell. My problem is not with his
character, him as a person, his race, etc. He has so much wrong with his
philosophy that I can't even get down to his lack of experience, etc. As
far as I can tell, and yes I have read a lot about him, he is the same ol'
liberal that has got us into the mess we are in. I believe conservative
principles of personal accountability, smaller government, lower taxes, is what
we need to get America back on the road of greatness. Yes, America is still
great, but we must lower corporate and individual taxes to spur investment and
personal savings. We must greatly reduce the size of government to bring it in
line with fundamental services that the government should be providing and what
we can sustain economically. Promising to do more means spend more and that
will make us all poor (government and individuals). Obama is certainly full of
ideas on how the government can be the mother hen to take care of all our needs.
That simply will not work!
Go Obama! | 4:07 p.m. Jan. 15, 2008
I am LDS and voting for Obama. Huckabee and the religious right are a very real
threat to religious freedom. McCain is good. Romney decent - the old Mitt that
is, not the new version. Either Hillary or Obama would be better for religious
minorities (including Mormons) than Huckabee.
Anonymous | 6:53 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Obama? grab your wallet and values as he cuts the elevator cable and plunges us
into a liberal nightmare!
Walt | 10:28 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Good Article:
Touting his home state as "the land of Lincoln," praising the Declaration of Independence as "the true genius of America," and repeatedly affirming that Americans "don�t expect government to solve all their problems," Obama sounded less like the Democratic Party and more like the current president. Even his comments on education, which emphasized parental responsibility and higher student expectations, were right out of Bush�s playbook. Add his concern that Americans couple their devotion to individualism with a belief that "I am my brother�s keeper," and Obama looked like a cheerleader for compassionate conservatism
Touting his home state as "the land of Lincoln," praising the Declaration of Independence as "the true genius of America," and repeatedly affirming that Americans "don�t expect government to solve all their problems," Obama sounded less like the Democratic Party and more like the current president. Even his comments on education, which emphasized parental responsibility and higher student expectations, were right out of Bush�s playbook. Add his concern that Americans couple their devotion to individualism with a belief that "I am my brother�s keeper," and Obama looked like a cheerleader for compassionate conservatism
jfrazier | 1:50 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Walt,
What you say may be true, but what does he say on the subject of redistribution of wealth? Corporate taxes, capital gains, death tax, etc.? And conservative ideals like smaller government (not socialism)? I know most of his answers on these and it is certainly not conservative. One problem that all people should have with Obama is that he can say anything and he has no history to back it up. As for conservative principles his voting record is pretty weak, what there is of it. He does seem to take more than his fair share of no-votes on issues, especially those that are anywhere near controversial. I hope that as President he would simply not check out when the time comes to make a tough decision.
On some of the social issues I am very receptive if he was a local leader but I don't want the federal government involved at that level. It just does not work.
What you say may be true, but what does he say on the subject of redistribution of wealth? Corporate taxes, capital gains, death tax, etc.? And conservative ideals like smaller government (not socialism)? I know most of his answers on these and it is certainly not conservative. One problem that all people should have with Obama is that he can say anything and he has no history to back it up. As for conservative principles his voting record is pretty weak, what there is of it. He does seem to take more than his fair share of no-votes on issues, especially those that are anywhere near controversial. I hope that as President he would simply not check out when the time comes to make a tough decision.
On some of the social issues I am very receptive if he was a local leader but I don't want the federal government involved at that level. It just does not work.
Oliver North??? | 4:19 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
You have got to be kidding! A great American?
In Nov., 1986, North emerged as the central figure in the Iran-contra affair. He was fired by President Reagan later that month. Under a grant of immunity he testified before Congress in July, 1987. He was convicted (1989) on criminal charges arising from the affair, but his conviction was later reversed on the grounds that immunized testimony had been used at his trial. In 1994,
In Nov., 1986, North emerged as the central figure in the Iran-contra affair. He was fired by President Reagan later that month. Under a grant of immunity he testified before Congress in July, 1987. He was convicted (1989) on criminal charges arising from the affair, but his conviction was later reversed on the grounds that immunized testimony had been used at his trial. In 1994,
Walt | 4:32 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
jfrazier:
I understand your fear I just wish we could work together as americans to solve some of our issues. Obama is the only one trying to reach out to everyone. Right now we need someone who can bring us all together. I like him he has said will have republicans in his admistration. I like that!
I understand your fear I just wish we could work together as americans to solve some of our issues. Obama is the only one trying to reach out to everyone. Right now we need someone who can bring us all together. I like him he has said will have republicans in his admistration. I like that!
jfrazier | 8:36 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Walt,
I do agree that we need to work together, but that goes both ways. I heard Pelosi and Co. say we needed to work together but what she meant was that now everyone would have to come to her. We see how far that has got her.
I can't disagree with you at all in the matter of working together. However, we need to be very careful about what we are working towards. My personal take is that we need to work together to find what works and I am just afraid that many people are too far apart on what they think is best. When I say we should teach a man to fish, yet another person says we ought to provide the fish, it is true that we are trying for the same goal; that is, to help the individual. However, when the two sides are set on their respective positions and philosophically we completely disagree about what is best, I am not very hopeful that we can accomplish much by trying to work together in diametrically opposing directions. I know this is a cynical attitude.
Take the subject of affirmative action, for example. That no work!
I do agree that we need to work together, but that goes both ways. I heard Pelosi and Co. say we needed to work together but what she meant was that now everyone would have to come to her. We see how far that has got her.
I can't disagree with you at all in the matter of working together. However, we need to be very careful about what we are working towards. My personal take is that we need to work together to find what works and I am just afraid that many people are too far apart on what they think is best. When I say we should teach a man to fish, yet another person says we ought to provide the fish, it is true that we are trying for the same goal; that is, to help the individual. However, when the two sides are set on their respective positions and philosophically we completely disagree about what is best, I am not very hopeful that we can accomplish much by trying to work together in diametrically opposing directions. I know this is a cynical attitude.
Take the subject of affirmative action, for example. That no work!
Walt | 10:32 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
jfrazier;
Take the subject of affirmative action, for example. I think this can be done away with, as long as we improve our education system. Public schools have to be improved to give every kid a chance. Parents have to be held to some sort accountabilty system.
Take the subject of affirmative action, for example. I think this can be done away with, as long as we improve our education system. Public schools have to be improved to give every kid a chance. Parents have to be held to some sort accountabilty system.
jfrazier | 11:06 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Walt,
Great! We agree completely on that. My wife has always gone in to my kid's classrooms to help for several hours a week. Where it became rather painful for her was when it came time to help the kids read, and our boy was reading a couple of grade levels higher (we are very active readers), they shipped our boy out to other grades to help those kids read. While this is fine as far as learning to help others, but he too needs to be pushed to read better and going to lower grades to help simply is a waste of time if his reading is to improve. I am rather realistic when it comes to public education. All my children have gone through public education and we have made up for any deficiencies. After all, our children's education is ultimately our responsibility. That also goes for letting the educators know when I don't like the way things are going. Few educators I have encountered are real keen on getting criticized from the outside, but I think overall they do appreciate active involvement.
Great! We agree completely on that. My wife has always gone in to my kid's classrooms to help for several hours a week. Where it became rather painful for her was when it came time to help the kids read, and our boy was reading a couple of grade levels higher (we are very active readers), they shipped our boy out to other grades to help those kids read. While this is fine as far as learning to help others, but he too needs to be pushed to read better and going to lower grades to help simply is a waste of time if his reading is to improve. I am rather realistic when it comes to public education. All my children have gone through public education and we have made up for any deficiencies. After all, our children's education is ultimately our responsibility. That also goes for letting the educators know when I don't like the way things are going. Few educators I have encountered are real keen on getting criticized from the outside, but I think overall they do appreciate active involvement.
Follett | 10:09 a.m. Jan. 21, 2008
I am voting for Obama! Unlike the others, he is not "politics as
usual"! Like Reagan before him, Obama is inspirational and can rally people
regardless of party lines. I normally don't vote Democrat, but I am
supporting Obama 100%.
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