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Doug Robinson: Better duck — if you're a Mormon
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Genny | 8:45 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
I'm actually glad that Romney won't be voted for Pres. I think it will
be one less thing people will have on the mormons. Anything that happens in the
united states won't be becuase a mormon sat in the presidents seat.
As for everybody else just live and let live. If soemone calls a name or whatever then just let it roll, if someone wants to give greif then give mercy, if someone wants to put down, then build up. Why are we argueing about this. Just let everybody do what they will and think about your own condition before God. You can't change anyone else. You only have jurisdiction over your own self. Do something right.
As for everybody else just live and let live. If soemone calls a name or whatever then just let it roll, if someone wants to give greif then give mercy, if someone wants to put down, then build up. Why are we argueing about this. Just let everybody do what they will and think about your own condition before God. You can't change anyone else. You only have jurisdiction over your own self. Do something right.
Un-american | 8:52 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
It was Mitt Romney who declared his religion==freedom nonsense. His rhetoric was
"unamerican" against the atheists and agnostics, which comprise an
estimated 9 million to 27 million American citizens.
I'm a church-going Mormon, so perhaps I can be excused when I say that the Mormon whiners ought to shut the heck up. It's been more than a century since someone said that Mormons shouldn't be citizens. It was our current president's father who claimed that atheists shouldn't be considered citizens *OR* patriots.
Too bad Utah is already full of whiners, or the atheists could move there, I guess. In the meantime, when the current president says that Mormons shouldn't be citizens, come tell me. Until then, stop whining.
I'm a church-going Mormon, so perhaps I can be excused when I say that the Mormon whiners ought to shut the heck up. It's been more than a century since someone said that Mormons shouldn't be citizens. It was our current president's father who claimed that atheists shouldn't be considered citizens *OR* patriots.
Too bad Utah is already full of whiners, or the atheists could move there, I guess. In the meantime, when the current president says that Mormons shouldn't be citizens, come tell me. Until then, stop whining.
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Juju | 8:56 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
Thanks again for a great article, Doug. It needs to be pointed out again and
again.
Amen to the article and Steve C. | 9:10 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
Right on. What you said is so true. Everything needs to be politically correct,
but once it involves a Mormon, turn the other way. Thanks for the article,
Doug.
Non Mormon | 9:11 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
I am not a Mormon, I don't like BYU, I stay clear of Utah county, and I
drink a strong cup of coffee everyday. That being said Mitt Romney has got my
vote. If anyone read the Mormon Articles of Faith they would realize what a
patriotic, law abiding,
All American group of people they are. There is not a better religion for a US president to have.
All American group of people they are. There is not a better religion for a US president to have.
Julie | 9:17 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
Thanks for a great article. Please pass it on to all of the major newspapers
across the country. Well said! I believe that if Mitt Romney was not a Mormon,
he would win hands down. But some people refuse to vote for a Mormon president,
even though his issues and beliefs align with theirs. It doesn't make any
sense and is the worst form of bigotry.
Another thought | 9:23 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
who is going to load up the trucks with blankets food, water, etc. whenever
there is an emergency in this country or others? In Washington the Red Cross
came to the LDS church for help during their floods, until they could get it
together. We do love our fellowmen and we show it by our acts. Many of us have
spend hours making school bags for 3rd world countries, Humanitarian kits,
newborn kits, tied quilts for hours, etc, etc. etc.
Not everyone hates us. Some are grateful for us and what we do for them. We also work with other religions to help them in their service to mankind too.
Not everyone hates us. Some are grateful for us and what we do for them. We also work with other religions to help them in their service to mankind too.
Anonymous | 9:23 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saint and I love it.
I am thankful I chose to read these comments today. I have decided I want to
learn as much as possible about my religion. I feel I have a good understanding
of my religion, but I know I could learn more. I feel nothing will come from
arguing with those who don't believe or care for our religiou. Everyone is
allowed his or her opinion. I just hope if a non-member ever asked me
questions, I would be prepared and open as possible.
Thanks for the comments (both good and bad) it's made me want to learn more about my religion and it's made me want to live it in a better, more loving way.
I feel my church is true but I don't claim to be a historian or expert on all details. I was convinced of the truth through a simple, personal way which was good enough for me. For those who dislike our church, please judge those who belong to it on an individual basis. Thanks.
Thanks for the comments (both good and bad) it's made me want to learn more about my religion and it's made me want to live it in a better, more loving way.
I feel my church is true but I don't claim to be a historian or expert on all details. I was convinced of the truth through a simple, personal way which was good enough for me. For those who dislike our church, please judge those who belong to it on an individual basis. Thanks.
Geez Doug | 9:28 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
People in Utah live in a bubble. I heard every Mormon "slam" while in
Air Force during the 90s. I had born again Christians trying to save me. 1st
Sergeants thinking I was brainwashed into paying tithing. Name anything
misunderstood about Mormonism and it was said to me. But like I tell my kids
"life isn't fair so get use to it".
Mormonism will never be mainstreamed into US society so let the ignorance show of those individuals who don't know my religion. At least in my heart I believe in it and it makes me happy.
Mormonism will never be mainstreamed into US society so let the ignorance show of those individuals who don't know my religion. At least in my heart I believe in it and it makes me happy.
Reality | 9:37 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
It seems to me that the word bigot is used too freely in the postings. Because
someone has a concern, an interest, a dislike or reservation does not make one a
bigot. I don't think I have read anything in the postings that I would
consider bigotry. Mormonism is a part of American history and all Americans have
the right to know our nation's true history. I think it is good that so
many citizens find Mormon history interesting and want to know more about it.
They may not always like what they learn, but if it is the truth then that is
life as it realy is. We can't change history, but we can learn from it and
maybe do better in the future.
Get used to it. | 9:51 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
Get used to it 'cause Mormonism will be brought up a lot and attacked a lot
during the next 8 years of Mitt's presidency!
Karla | 9:57 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
Mr. Robinson:
Excellent.
Excellent.
SLMG | 10:12 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
I don't know about the rest of you but I am not getting upset about what
people think or say about my religion or me. I know who I am and what I
believe, it is the Doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
No one can take that from me unless I let them. I have my free agency and use it
everyday and just let rude, stupid and profane remarks roll right on by.
May West | 10:33 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
Mitt is losing momentum because he is playing dirty politics. Quit making
excuses for him by saying it's his faith. Being Mormon has nothing to do
it.
Honestly I think some Mormons like to feel they are being persecuted. I hate to break it to you but you're not.
Honestly I think some Mormons like to feel they are being persecuted. I hate to break it to you but you're not.
David | 10:37 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
Why is it that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
(Mormons) are so persecuted as we are? What is it about our doctrine, our
beliefs, our actions, that is deserving of such a response? I do not find that
this church teaches or sponsors anything deserving of such disdain. Rather, I
find this church to be an organization that does a lot to help people in need,
both during times of disaster as well as during times of normal everyday life. I
myself have benefited from such efforts during a time when income was low. I
also find this church to teach doctrines that encourage men and women everywhere
to be good and respectful of others. It makes sense then, that the organization
of the Church does not attack other faiths or religions, even when it is
attacked. Perhaps the persecution is the result of false representation, or
untruths that have circulated about the Church for many years. It may be worth
one's time to consider why the Church faces the opposition that it does.
Ing | 11:00 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
Re: post from "lafferty"
You're right...and wrong. Romney has used his faith as a qualifier for office, so I agree (mostly) that his faith then becomes a legitimate issue for examination. Although personally, I think religious faith of any sort is NOT a qualifier for office, and it makes me very nervous when people (whether the politicians or the voters) try to say that it is. It's what the candidate will actually do in office that matters, not where (or whether) he or she goes to church.
I think you're off when you say that religion, unlike race or gender, is not a matter where discrimination applies (try telling that to a Jew). Religion ties in with ethnicity, culture, everything that makes someone part of an identifiable group. True, you can disavow a religion where you can't disavow skin color or gender, but the religion people believe in--and often may have been born into--is an inextricable part of who they are.
I'm not a practicing Mormon, but believe me, I feel the anti-Mormon barbs when they're thrown. It hits at my background, the way I grew up, and my whole family.
I think Doug Robinson's article hit it right.
You're right...and wrong. Romney has used his faith as a qualifier for office, so I agree (mostly) that his faith then becomes a legitimate issue for examination. Although personally, I think religious faith of any sort is NOT a qualifier for office, and it makes me very nervous when people (whether the politicians or the voters) try to say that it is. It's what the candidate will actually do in office that matters, not where (or whether) he or she goes to church.
I think you're off when you say that religion, unlike race or gender, is not a matter where discrimination applies (try telling that to a Jew). Religion ties in with ethnicity, culture, everything that makes someone part of an identifiable group. True, you can disavow a religion where you can't disavow skin color or gender, but the religion people believe in--and often may have been born into--is an inextricable part of who they are.
I'm not a practicing Mormon, but believe me, I feel the anti-Mormon barbs when they're thrown. It hits at my background, the way I grew up, and my whole family.
I think Doug Robinson's article hit it right.
Julie | 11:07 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
Missouri Execution Order 44, a.k.a. 'extermination order': "the
Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the
State if necessary..." Most Americans have never heard about this part of
history. [Issued on October 27, 1838 by Governer Boggs and not rescinded until
1976.] So, it was legal to kill a Mormon in this state up until 1976?!?
Interesting. I'm ready for the spiteful comments of those who continue to
be intolerant of us...as with my ancestors, I'm used to being riduculed for
my religion. A person's beliefs are what they hold most dear and I respect
the beliefs of others...often hoping for the same in return. I also realize
that people are afraid of that which they do not understand--which is
unfortunate--how are we ever to learn? I find it ironic that we, as a country,
seek for world peace and social justice but cannot seem to reconcile our own
differeces and treat one another as the dignified people we proclaim to be. I
wonder what the founding fathers would have to say about it. Okay...bring on
the haters! :)
It goes both ways ... | 11:13 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
Mormons look down upon the "gentiles" as well, and I have heard from
non-Mormons living in Utah that it may be an unpleasant experience if you are
not LDS. Mormon efforts to convert all non-Mormons to their religion does not
make for good relations either.
Stodge | 11:28 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
I read recently that in a majority of muslim dominated nations, if you attempt
to leave the Muslim religion your life is in danger from your friends and family
who have an 'obligation' to terminate you as a traitor.
Yet you could never get away with saying the same disparaging remarks about muslims that they do about mormons. (those remarks, by the way, are often made by previous mormons who FREELY left the religion).
I think the truth is that the anti-mormon knows that mormons are usually ULTRA-tolerant so it's easy to take shots and not worry.
I think some of us are growing less tolerant.
Yet you could never get away with saying the same disparaging remarks about muslims that they do about mormons. (those remarks, by the way, are often made by previous mormons who FREELY left the religion).
I think the truth is that the anti-mormon knows that mormons are usually ULTRA-tolerant so it's easy to take shots and not worry.
I think some of us are growing less tolerant.
Illinois Cougar | 11:51 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008
It is good to express differences of opinion. However, the last few months have been challenging.
My kids come home from school asking if it is ok for teachers to make silly comments in front of the class about Mormons being allergic to birth control? This is only one example of 8 or 9 public comments my kids have heard adults make recently.
I am definitely not a member of the "Victim" crowd but, when did it become acceptable in the public discourse to make blatantly discourteous comments on the public airwaves without the slightest consequence?
To be honest, this is more than a "Mormon" thing. It is a reflection on the state of society when it becomes more about the hat than about the cowboy.
Regardless of our personal beliefs, we should at least be civil.
One other thing, these threads really compound the problem. I think most of the folks posting on this thread would use a different tone if we were in the same room.
truth | 1:32 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
BTW, Romney is leading all candidates with 30 deligates to 21 for Huckabee and
10 for McCain! Who cares if he keeps coming in a close second to different
candidates if he wins the overall deligate count! I guess he already won Wyoming
and nobody even talks about that primary!
Anyway, truth is truth! Nobody even knows the religions of any candidates unless they personally push it on people like Huckabee who only pushes his religion as him being a Baptist "Christian" unlike his cultist Mormon opponent (in his perspective) only to play the religion card for politics! I have never cared what religion any candidate has EVER been and it has Never come up since Kennedy until now! Yes, many Americans have taken a huge step back 40 years in the bigotry camp during this election season! The first people to come to America came here for the very reason to escape religious persecution and alienation. Judge people by their actions, not their false labels! Too many ignorant people in this country are given a voice to be bigots!
Anyway, truth is truth! Nobody even knows the religions of any candidates unless they personally push it on people like Huckabee who only pushes his religion as him being a Baptist "Christian" unlike his cultist Mormon opponent (in his perspective) only to play the religion card for politics! I have never cared what religion any candidate has EVER been and it has Never come up since Kennedy until now! Yes, many Americans have taken a huge step back 40 years in the bigotry camp during this election season! The first people to come to America came here for the very reason to escape religious persecution and alienation. Judge people by their actions, not their false labels! Too many ignorant people in this country are given a voice to be bigots!
Clarification | 1:43 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
You can make whatever arguments and assertions you want but one thing to make
clear. Religion and race are different issues. One is a choice whereas the
other is not. I fully agree one's race should not be an issue and should
not be brought up (although it is and probably will be for a long time given our
nation's history of slavery). But I do not agree with this on beliefs,
which are a choice. There is a fine line between religion and lunatic. Those
who have religion are ok and covered by law. Those who claim to have religion
and are holed-up in compounds around the country waiting for the last days and
preparing for mass suicide are not covered by the law. We as Mormons need to
make people realize we are of the first group or they will continue to mock us
until the day we die. Seriously, many people do not know the difference between
Mormons and crazy cults, so we should be getting the word out, just as Elder
Ballard said. It has a lot more effect than just whining about Obama being
black.
Romney Sweeps Primaries to Date! | 3:30 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
If Governor Romney keeps finishing second in successive state primaries, and the
rest of the Republican candidates keep splitting 1st place in successive states
- come the Republican Convention Romney will have the nomination locked up.
When a Convention can not reach consensus among the different 1st place contenders, history has shown that a Convention turns to the person who the majority considered their second choice.
When a Convention can not reach consensus among the different 1st place contenders, history has shown that a Convention turns to the person who the majority considered their second choice.
PROVO GUY | 3:45 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
I am really offended neing L.D.S. that another L.D.S. person on here (above- in
a reply to someone else) compared being Gay to being a child molestor. My
brother is Gay and I do not judge him and I love him as much as everone else in
my family. It is up to Heavenly Father to judge people.
That was a disgusting, ignorant, & bigoted comment.
That was a disgusting, ignorant, & bigoted comment.
Anonymous | 4:14 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
Sounds like loser's remorse to me, Doug. Romney lost in Iowa; now he lost
in New Hampshire. I think it's insulting to voters to suggest that Romney
is losing because he's a Mormon. Perhaps the voters saw something they
liked in the other candidates, or rejected Romney's negative
advertising.
As a Mormon who does not support Romney, I'm not unaware of the pressure out there to join the Romney bandwagon among otherwise respectable members of the church. And if Romney loses, by golly, it's the media's fault for bringing up his religion, or the bloggers' faults for making the occasional anti-Mormon comment, etc. It couldn't possibly be Romney's fault--he's too good, he's one of us. Pleassseeee!!!
True,there is anti-Mormon bias out there. Always has been. But I don't see it as a significant component of this presidential campaign. I have yet to meet someone who will vote against Romney because of his religion. For his inauthenticity and shifting political positions--yes.
As a Mormon who does not support Romney, I'm not unaware of the pressure out there to join the Romney bandwagon among otherwise respectable members of the church. And if Romney loses, by golly, it's the media's fault for bringing up his religion, or the bloggers' faults for making the occasional anti-Mormon comment, etc. It couldn't possibly be Romney's fault--he's too good, he's one of us. Pleassseeee!!!
True,there is anti-Mormon bias out there. Always has been. But I don't see it as a significant component of this presidential campaign. I have yet to meet someone who will vote against Romney because of his religion. For his inauthenticity and shifting political positions--yes.
Praise | 4:19 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
If the lds church over the last 178 years has supported the view that all other
Christian churches are hypocrites ( draw near me with their lips etc) and are
an abomination in the sight of the Lord ---- one shouldn't be too surprised
that such christian church membership don't feel very kindly towards the
lds church.
jane | 5:17 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
Maybe the info that at least one national leader asked if they could have,
instead of more peace corp- more Mormon missionaries because when their citizens
converted they changed their lives and had great drive and follow through to
help themselves AND others in all ways- WAY better than any changes peace corp.
made might explain a little the comment Mitt made about his sons
"service" in helping his campaign and serving missions?
I'm pleased with how Romney is doing and his actions, choices on the issues etc, ESPECIALLY in the face of such dishonest distortion and foul play against him! God speed the right! Go Mitt!
I'm pleased with how Romney is doing and his actions, choices on the issues etc, ESPECIALLY in the face of such dishonest distortion and foul play against him! God speed the right! Go Mitt!
Anonymous | 6:10 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
As an LDS in the UK I have read a lot of coverage of your elections and I agree
with Doug's comments. Over here it goes further, however. In the UK's
current climate all of Christianity seems to be "fair game". Our media
seems to be super-sensitive towards immigrant religions, especially Islam, and
also towards other minorities, especially the gay lobby, but Christianity can be
roundly and openly denigrated.
Think | 6:58 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
What a bunch of nonsense.
On the whole, Mormons are the biggest bunch of whiners on the face of the planet - crying foul whenever anybody disagrees with their beliefs; claiming to be "persecuted" for their faith whenever anyone declares that their beliefs are non-traditional; insisting that they are unfairly singled out whenever anyone mentions that they are Mormons - and yet they wear their Mormonism openly in public as they do "missionary work" and try to convert the world to their beliefs!
What do you expect when you are shoving your religion in everybody's face?
On the whole, members of few other religious faiths run around identifying themselves as such.
Mormons are "persecuted" because they bring it on themselves.
On the whole, Mormons are the biggest bunch of whiners on the face of the planet - crying foul whenever anybody disagrees with their beliefs; claiming to be "persecuted" for their faith whenever anyone declares that their beliefs are non-traditional; insisting that they are unfairly singled out whenever anyone mentions that they are Mormons - and yet they wear their Mormonism openly in public as they do "missionary work" and try to convert the world to their beliefs!
What do you expect when you are shoving your religion in everybody's face?
On the whole, members of few other religious faiths run around identifying themselves as such.
Mormons are "persecuted" because they bring it on themselves.
Bob | 7:02 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
I kind of think it's like the Three Stooges hitting a rich old dowager in
the face with a pie. You laugh and it's okay, because she sees herself as
superior and it's fun to see her taken down a notch. If Moe (no pun
intended) had thrown a pie at the underpaid high school teacher it wouldn't
be quite as okay. I think Mormons have to accept that a lot of this is the
result of a "one true church," and "superior people,"
attitude by some. PS-I'm not a Mormon, but I know many great Mormon people
who don't think this way at all and I don't like it when people speak
so ignerently and "fer rude" ly about people from my home state.
Mormon Punchline | 7:12 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
After a long day on the campaign trail, a Woman, a Black Man, a Senior Citizen,
a Mormon, and a Baptist Minister walk into a bar�. Who
buys?
�the Mormon, because he�s still sober to drive and can afford to pick up the tab. (Of course the media fixates on the hypocrisy of the Mormon going into the bar in the first place!)
�the Mormon, because he�s still sober to drive and can afford to pick up the tab. (Of course the media fixates on the hypocrisy of the Mormon going into the bar in the first place!)
To Praise | 7:22 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
Please understand that these statements are attributed as coming from the Lord
-- not Joseph Smith. We do not emphasize them, nor do we preach over the pulpit
against others beliefs. Please respect the fact that we say it was the
Lord's comment -- not Joseph's.
If you were to read from Pres Hinckley's comments about how we should treat others, you would understand that we do not preach intolerance at all.
If you were to read from Pres Hinckley's comments about how we should treat others, you would understand that we do not preach intolerance at all.
russ | 7:23 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
dear minnesota: I suspect that you never grew up in a little Mormon town where
4900 people were Mormons of various shades of ilk, and 100 people were not
Mormon, with varying shades of beliefs. I did. Not only is what I wrote true,
I held back. I could write a 300 page book about growing up in the little town,
comedy, tragedy, intrigue, who is cheating who, etc. So you will feel good,
let me say this today: we had a neighbor one house away, WWII Marine vet., tall,
strong, hard working guy. He was made Bishop of the local ward. He deserved it.
But then the Mormon kids told me one day while we were playing touch football
that he would never rise any higher because he was a... plumber. No white
collar for the guy. And you know what: they were right. Wonderful guy.
Decent. Hard working. But... well, even my buddies knew he wasn't going
to move up. Sad, but true. I sleep well at night, cause I don't have to
remember what lies I have told. You only get the truth from me. I am sorry that
it does not fit your paradigm.
Mormon Girl | 7:23 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
This is DISGUSTING!!!!! People can bash Mormons just because they want to??? So
we're a country that believes in no persecution for our beliefs? Since
WHEN? When people can trash other people for money and be congratulated, when it
gets to a point where people know the truth but would rather tell lies just as a
hobby, who are we to call ourselves a country with equal rights, opportunities,
a free country. You know, I would love to see Mitt Romney become president
because he will show people that Mormons have honest dealings and we will not
withold information. It will show all those morons who think they are hilarious
that Mormons have 10 times the integrity they will ever have. YES we believe in
God! I'm sorry, but DUH! Our church is called the church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-Day Saints! It says it in the title!!! People who are harassing
Mormons obviously don't personally know them. If anyone has any questions
on Mormonism, you can post it here and I will answer because people know nothing
so they spread lies. That is WRONG!
Enough | 7:24 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
To Think:
I think you need to "think" your comments through just a bit more. I don't whine. But I do stand up and say: "enough is enough." I say it to people who slam my black-skinned friends, I say to people who slam off-road motorized recreationists, I say it to those who slam my Jewish friends etc.... So I say to you, enough! Perhaps, and I say this strongly, perhaps, you should get over it.
I think you need to "think" your comments through just a bit more. I don't whine. But I do stand up and say: "enough is enough." I say it to people who slam my black-skinned friends, I say to people who slam off-road motorized recreationists, I say it to those who slam my Jewish friends etc.... So I say to you, enough! Perhaps, and I say this strongly, perhaps, you should get over it.
What God!!! | 7:37 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
I find a political campaign having so much to do with religion strange. In
Europe I have never heard God mentioned once by a politician running for office
in France Sweden Denmark or Germany mostly because it would be political
suicide. You would think these mentioned "Godless" nations with
regular church attendance below 3% would care less about their fellow citizens.
But on the contrary these countries are examples in civilized world how to
provide health care and elderly care for all.
The Architect | 7:57 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
As a Mormon I am guilty of making fun of Tom Cruise for bieng way into
scientology, and Ive been mad at some of the articles Ive read about some
Catholic preists and the Catholic churches action or lack of action in dicipling
them. I do feel that when I am trying harder to live the things taught in the
bible and book of mormon I feel more willing to acknowledge my own faults and I
dont feel that sense of competition for my fellow man. Religion I think is just
one of many ways in which we compete with each other. It really comes down to us
all bieng imperfect people and thus we are more easily annoyed by others and our
own imperfections annoy others as well. I don't feel persecuted bieng a
Mormon but I do admire someone who gives my faith the benefit of the doubt and
they definitely have more influence on me when they show a respect and
understanding of me as a person and the things I believe. Bieng a typical man,
ive seen how religion has changed me, Im not who I want to be but Im alot better
than I was.
Ram | 8:10 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
Ram are you really a LDS said,
"Ram,
Or you are a new member or you are not a LDS.
Your comments are not from an active LDS"
Yes, I am an active LDS, but maybe a little heretical in my thinking. We are taught to not question our leaders, but I feel that is a highly flawed method. I think God is ok with us thinking for ourselves.
I stick by my comment yesterday. Our LDS / Mormon church image is not always helped by some agressive missionaries who try to ram the gospel down people's throats. The media campaign is much better, and takes the missionaries to people who requested more information.
"Ram,
Or you are a new member or you are not a LDS.
Your comments are not from an active LDS"
Yes, I am an active LDS, but maybe a little heretical in my thinking. We are taught to not question our leaders, but I feel that is a highly flawed method. I think God is ok with us thinking for ourselves.
I stick by my comment yesterday. Our LDS / Mormon church image is not always helped by some agressive missionaries who try to ram the gospel down people's throats. The media campaign is much better, and takes the missionaries to people who requested more information.
Randall | 8:11 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
I think this article and some of the comments here demonstrate unnecessary over
sensitivity and defensiveness. I think Mitt Romney is less desireable because
he has adapted his views and rhetoric to try to appease the republican base. He
should have exercised more integrity in his views. Also, he has done the most
negative campaiging of all the candidates. He is a poor example for Mormons in
that he appears to change his views just to win and is not taking the higher
road in his campaign tactics.
This is really sad.... | 8:12 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
For so many who claim to be Christian tearing down their fellowman, even
fellowmen they do not know.
I'd like to ask the poster �found the other �truth� 6:58 am� who stated active true blue mormons lie, contradict and divulge only those facts that mislead the public.
When and where have we ever met?:
How can you judge me and anyone else just because we are "Mormon
Anyone that you disagree with, you could say is misleading.
This is a SIMPLE EXAMPLE of judging all "Mormons" you may have had a bad example with one or more. (they are all human and just because one joins the church doesn�t mean they live entirely all the beliefs of the faith)
None the less you have judge me and many others you have not met. Isn't that what is happening now...so many people are judging "Mormons" because they either had a bad experience or are listening to other ill-informed people about the "Mormons" without finding out from THE SOURCE. (cont. in next blog by �this is really sad�)
I'd like to ask the poster �found the other �truth� 6:58 am� who stated active true blue mormons lie, contradict and divulge only those facts that mislead the public.
When and where have we ever met?:
How can you judge me and anyone else just because we are "Mormon
Anyone that you disagree with, you could say is misleading.
This is a SIMPLE EXAMPLE of judging all "Mormons" you may have had a bad example with one or more. (they are all human and just because one joins the church doesn�t mean they live entirely all the beliefs of the faith)
None the less you have judge me and many others you have not met. Isn't that what is happening now...so many people are judging "Mormons" because they either had a bad experience or are listening to other ill-informed people about the "Mormons" without finding out from THE SOURCE. (cont. in next blog by �this is really sad�)
this is really sad | 8:16 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
Here is one SOURCE where you find what our core beliefs as "true blue"
Mormons" are. Mormon.org
I find it interesting to see how many people and how many other churches go to so much effort to teach what THEY BELIEVE the MORMONS BELIEVE....rather than teaching what they believe of Christ.
Here is a SOURCE where you find what our core beliefs as "true blue" Mormons" are. Mormon.org
Why so much opposition? Maybe there is some truth in the "Mormon" religion and Satan doesn't want it to spread. em???? why else would he be working so hard against it?
I find it interesting to see how many people and how many other churches go to so much effort to teach what THEY BELIEVE the MORMONS BELIEVE....rather than teaching what they believe of Christ.
Here is a SOURCE where you find what our core beliefs as "true blue" Mormons" are. Mormon.org
Why so much opposition? Maybe there is some truth in the "Mormon" religion and Satan doesn't want it to spread. em???? why else would he be working so hard against it?
Good grief | 8:19 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
Ms. "Another thought"
This kind of statement is one problem of the Mormon mindset.
"who is going to load up the trucks with blankets food, water, etc. whenever there is an emergency in this country or others? In Washington the Red Cross came to the LDS church for help during their floods, until they could get it together"
The Christian world has been the over-whelming ministry to the poor, and to worldwide emergencies before Mormonism was born. The difference is, they just don't put on bright yellow T-shirts with their church names plastered on both sides....and believe they are the 'first ones, there,' with the most stuff. Far from it.
You need to get out in the world a bit more.
This kind of statement is one problem of the Mormon mindset.
"who is going to load up the trucks with blankets food, water, etc. whenever there is an emergency in this country or others? In Washington the Red Cross came to the LDS church for help during their floods, until they could get it together"
The Christian world has been the over-whelming ministry to the poor, and to worldwide emergencies before Mormonism was born. The difference is, they just don't put on bright yellow T-shirts with their church names plastered on both sides....and believe they are the 'first ones, there,' with the most stuff. Far from it.
You need to get out in the world a bit more.
Greg | 8:36 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
I don't disagree with your editorial/article. As a Mormon with long roots
in the Church (relatives in Utah before 1850), I am appalled at anti-Mormon
prejudice or more importantly ignorance. HOWEVER, in the course of the article
you manage to get in every negative comment, slur, and accusation against Barack
Obama with a sense of hostility instead solidarity with the stuff he has to put
up with also. It defeated your whole point which I toally agree with by
including that ugly and unnecessary tone.
SofaKing | 8:38 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
Whether right or wrong many people believe that 'The Church', as many
Utah Mormons like to call it, is nothing more than a cult. A big, wealthy cult,
a generations-old persistent cult, a born in the USA cult but still just a cult.
What else can be expeceted of an outsider who knows a bit about your beliefs and doctrine which includes Joseph Smith translating the Book of Mormon from a tablet of gold pages by using 'seer stones'? If you think about it objectively thats a fairly large pill to swallow for us non-believers.
What else can be expeceted of an outsider who knows a bit about your beliefs and doctrine which includes Joseph Smith translating the Book of Mormon from a tablet of gold pages by using 'seer stones'? If you think about it objectively thats a fairly large pill to swallow for us non-believers.
Hi, Minnesota ! | 8:40 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
I'm from Minnesota. I've attended an 'open house' at the
local Branch. I've attended three meetings.
I gave my testimony on Testimony Sunday. I've had many LDS missionaries over for visits, sharing the gospel, pizza, their birthdays....
One fellow made a mexician dinner at my house..
A Mormon family moved into the neighborhood. I took over a summer salad and chocolate-chip cookies, and sat for a long visit.
...and you know what, I am one of those MN. Lutherans, who took their youth group to visit a LDS meeting and arranged a time of discussion with the local Branch president.
The problem is that sometimes we see only what we want to see....and never look any farther.
I keep in touch with my ex-LDS missionaries...and have visited them in Utah, also.
And, do you know the best way to understand Mormonism? It understanding your own, enough, so that you can tell the likenesses and the differences.
I gave my testimony on Testimony Sunday. I've had many LDS missionaries over for visits, sharing the gospel, pizza, their birthdays....
One fellow made a mexician dinner at my house..
A Mormon family moved into the neighborhood. I took over a summer salad and chocolate-chip cookies, and sat for a long visit.
...and you know what, I am one of those MN. Lutherans, who took their youth group to visit a LDS meeting and arranged a time of discussion with the local Branch president.
The problem is that sometimes we see only what we want to see....and never look any farther.
I keep in touch with my ex-LDS missionaries...and have visited them in Utah, also.
And, do you know the best way to understand Mormonism? It understanding your own, enough, so that you can tell the likenesses and the differences.
Carol H | 8:42 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
I think it was a great article, but don�t understand how it
always become an issue about the LDS Church. Those who hate us consistenly
express their views, but very few want to listen to what we have to say. If you
want to know what we believe, ask someone who knows, and not an apostate who is
bitter.
FYI: Members who degrade other religions are in a minority. I have friends of many different religions (in Utah & out). I respect their beliefs & they respect mine. Some churches have classes & books about how to de-convert �Mormons�.
To found the other truth:
How can you judge all �Mormons� on what you think about Mitt Romney�s behavior, which, by the way, is totally acceptable in my view. Perhaps you don�t recall that Mitt avoided discussing his religion for personal reasons, but he was forced to make a statement to satisfy the media. Once he gave his �Faith In America� speech, the media sorted through it to find something wrong with what he said.
I agree that he is the best man for the job. This is a presidential campaign, not a religion class. Go, Mitt, go!
FYI: Members who degrade other religions are in a minority. I have friends of many different religions (in Utah & out). I respect their beliefs & they respect mine. Some churches have classes & books about how to de-convert �Mormons�.
To found the other truth:
How can you judge all �Mormons� on what you think about Mitt Romney�s behavior, which, by the way, is totally acceptable in my view. Perhaps you don�t recall that Mitt avoided discussing his religion for personal reasons, but he was forced to make a statement to satisfy the media. Once he gave his �Faith In America� speech, the media sorted through it to find something wrong with what he said.
I agree that he is the best man for the job. This is a presidential campaign, not a religion class. Go, Mitt, go!
To LIVE THE GOLDEN RULE | 8:44 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
When I read these posts each day, I read the same things over and over again.
There are the same grumpy comments, and one particular one who is stuck on here
with the same praise, and kind of strange, writing same old stuff every single
day... LIVE THE GOLDEN RULE!... Gee preacher! I certainly hope you are living
what you preach. I hate pulpit pounders! It's a bit obnoxious. Please give
it a break!
Wowwie!! | 8:47 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
Everybody, everywhere has an opinion on Mormons. Unfortunately, Doug has hit
the nail on the head. Only the wicked take the truth to be hard. ;) I seem to
remember in my history that in 1847, after having been driven out of New York,
Ohio, Missouri and Illinois, a group of Mormons, led by Brigham Young came out
to the valley of the Great Salt Lake to find peace and freedom from harrassment.
Shortly after their arrival, the US military sent Johnston, and his army out to
make sure that the Mormons were behaving themselves--even though, at the time,
this territory was owned by Mexico. Its also noteworthy that during the trek to
the Valley, all of the able-bodied men volunteered--volunteered, for the US
Army--the same US that had refused to address their grievances, to fight in the
Mexican-American War. These men executed the longest military march in history.
What do we do about persecution? We volunteer to load trucks and airplanes, to
bring food and clothing to suffering people around the world. Why? Because they
are our brothers and sisters. We love them, and care about them. How much do
we charge? $0.00!! Its free for the asking.
Idahoan | 8:49 a.m. Jan. 9, 2008
Here, here "Think"!
The problem is simply that: having the LDS church shoven down our throats constantly. Knowing how clannish they are and how controling, and how insistant they are about their religion - how in the world do you expect people to not recoil from a PRESIDENTAL candidate who is a Mormon?
Do you really expect us to believe that he will not govern as a proxy for the Mormon agenda?
Thanks, but NO THANKS. I'm weary enough of religion in government. This would be too much to bear.
The problem is simply that: having the LDS church shoven down our throats constantly. Knowing how clannish they are and how controling, and how insistant they are about their religion - how in the world do you expect people to not recoil from a PRESIDENTAL candidate who is a Mormon?
Do you really expect us to believe that he will not govern as a proxy for the Mormon agenda?
Thanks, but NO THANKS. I'm weary enough of religion in government. This would be too much to bear.
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