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Whiplash | 12:51 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Anonymous "Hey mister...you're not politically correct...You're
saying there is a right and a wrong....That's not very nice...you're
hurting my feelings...up could be up or down, black could be white, red or
green, cold is sometimes very hot, all religions are true even though they
contradict each other....it's all good - right?"
GlennB | 12:53 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
It's funny. Some non-LDS talk about the intolerance of Mormons -- only
true church and such -- with some of the most intolerant hate-filled rhetoric
imaginable.
"They don't believe like us so they're going to hell!" At least it seems Mormons talk of falling short of the Highest Degree with all opportunities to understand and accept, both now and later.
Oh well. Reminds me of the "tolerant" left.
"They don't believe like us so they're going to hell!" At least it seems Mormons talk of falling short of the Highest Degree with all opportunities to understand and accept, both now and later.
Oh well. Reminds me of the "tolerant" left.
Reader | 1:01 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
The more I hear about Huckabee, the more I like Romney. C'mon, Huckster. I
mean, the airing of the campaign spot for the media, the supposed belief about
writers not being on strike when he crossed picket lines to appear on Leno, the
supposed "question" about the devil and Jesus Christ. This clown is
gaining a reputation for sliming his way out of anything with his "golly
gee whiz" facade of innocence.
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Mo-Town | 1:09 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
You folks (Mormon or not) who claim that waterboarding is torutre, against the
Geneva Convention, or anything else, are absolutely insane.
Last time I checked, we live in a post 911 World, and that the methods the CIA and other agencies use have protected this country from another attack. You can hate Bush and this country all you want, but we've been 100% safe and protected from these ambitous animals
Don't give me this "what would Jesus do" hud. Jesus wants his children to defend thier lives and freedom from thugs who want to subject the world to their Islamic state, or die. Simply put!
Mitt Romney has vowed to continue and defend us. So has Guiliani, McCain and Thompson. Not so sure about Huckabee. Paul and the Democrats will all fold like cheap paper
Last time I checked, we live in a post 911 World, and that the methods the CIA and other agencies use have protected this country from another attack. You can hate Bush and this country all you want, but we've been 100% safe and protected from these ambitous animals
Don't give me this "what would Jesus do" hud. Jesus wants his children to defend thier lives and freedom from thugs who want to subject the world to their Islamic state, or die. Simply put!
Mitt Romney has vowed to continue and defend us. So has Guiliani, McCain and Thompson. Not so sure about Huckabee. Paul and the Democrats will all fold like cheap paper
Tom | 1:20 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Mitt said he will most certainly be the republican nominee. He later retracted
that and said that if one looks in the literature and dictionary,
'certainly' has many meanings, and thus one should not read too much
into what he says.
Integrity and honor? | 1:20 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Dear "Women for Mitt."
Romney told everyone he and father walked the streets of Detroit with Martin Luther King.
After finding out this never happened, Romney's campaign people said that this was not true.
Is this the Mormon version of "integrity and honor"
Romney told everyone he and father walked the streets of Detroit with Martin Luther King.
After finding out this never happened, Romney's campaign people said that this was not true.
Is this the Mormon version of "integrity and honor"
Oh hud | 1:29 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
For Romney, any previous statements about society, the future of the United
States, domestic issues and foreign policy which may be incorrect should be
interpreted as metaphors, not literally. Anything he has said that is correct,
should be interpreted literally.
Women for Mitt | 1:31 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
In response to Integrity and Honor - is that the best you can do? It made me
laugh. I'm shaking in my boots right now --- you've really shaken my
faith in Mitt - NOT!
Alex | 1:38 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Women for Mitt & Mo-Town - Waterboarding is torture as set forth by the
third Geneva Convention. Article 13 states "prisoners of war must at all
times be humanely treated" and that "prisoners of war must at all
times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and
against insults and public curiosity," while article 17 states that
"no physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be
inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind
whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted
or exposed to unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind."
There was an article early last year in The New Yorker regarding the use of torture, and military officials have stated it is not as effective as people believe. Rarely has information been divulged, and when it has, it has been information the military had already known. It sure makes for good TV, but that's fiction, and this is reality.
There was an article early last year in The New Yorker regarding the use of torture, and military officials have stated it is not as effective as people believe. Rarely has information been divulged, and when it has, it has been information the military had already known. It sure makes for good TV, but that's fiction, and this is reality.
JAMES STOWE | 1:41 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
NOW,WE ARE GETTING DOWN AND DIRTY!!
DON'T FORGET PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR MITT!!!
DON'T FORGET PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR MITT!!!
Anonymous | 2:02 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Re: Women for Mitt
If a person is already living a lie - then a candidate who gets caught barefaced lying about he and his father walking the streets of Detroit with Martin Luther King is no big deal.
I was raised with a larger sense of honesty than those from that culture.
If a person is already living a lie - then a candidate who gets caught barefaced lying about he and his father walking the streets of Detroit with Martin Luther King is no big deal.
I was raised with a larger sense of honesty than those from that culture.
jersey boy | 2:04 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Russ:
did you serve in the military? how many other candidates' kids served in the military? Why only question Mitt? is it now that only veterans can run for president?
Get real?
did you serve in the military? how many other candidates' kids served in the military? Why only question Mitt? is it now that only veterans can run for president?
Get real?
Joey | 2:04 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
I am not LDS, but I have been reading up on Romney's campaign and I
honestly think he's the man for the job. He has my vote.
jersey boys | 2:24 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Alex:
they aren't prisoners of war. they are combatants! big difference!
they aren't prisoners of war. they are combatants! big difference!
Vernal Mike | 2:31 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
A tip of the hat to dglarsen, telling it like it is. Willard the Mittmeister is
doomed. Too many people see him as a liar...must be his missionary training at
work. Come Friday morning, all the Utah mormons are going to be choking on their
misplaced optimism over the White Horse prophesy. There just isn't enough
mormon bias to carry the liar much further. But just for fun, stay tuned until
Willard is skinned alive in South Carolina - guaranteed, a fun time will be had
by all as the Mitt Mobile crashes and burns for the final time.
No to Romney | 2:34 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Anybody but Romney, he'll shove his views on the country just like the Utah
legislature shoves their views on us.
Governments are meant to govern not preach how better they are.
Governments are meant to govern not preach how better they are.
Mitt == honest | 2:38 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
I'm sure Mitt Romney will bring the same level of honesty and selfless
public service to the presidency that the members of the Utah state legislature
have always done.
Alex | 2:41 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Jersey Boys - That term sounds like justification to commit heinous acts.
waterboarding | 2:41 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
As I recall, the terrorist who was "inflicted" with waterboarding,
(who started the whole torture issue) had been under questioning for over six
months. Those doing the questioning knew he was close enough to sources to
really know what was going on. When he finally was subjected to waterboarding
he gave in with in 30 SECONDS with so much NEW information that our military was
able to find top opperatives of Al-Quaida and hide outs. OH, the crime of it
all! How horrible that I, a good Mormon woman, would feel so badly for someone
so bent on destroying me, my family, every non-extrememist Muslim, and all the
rest of humanity if only He had the chance...but alas, HE was a POW and we
aren't supposed to hurt him in the slightest to get the truth out.
Obviously they didn't do much to him the first several months of
questioning because he didn't cave. He wasn't subjected to REAL
torture, like having your body parts either dismantled or heinously treated in
order to get you to talk. The kinds of things McCain went through. THAT is
torture! Waterboarding...PLEASE, it took all of 30 seconds and no permanant
body damage.
Anonymous | 2:43 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Dear "Women for Mitt" and "Mo-Town".
The lack of compassion you display for other human beings breaks my heart. I'm sorry if I come of as harch. But I wonder, if you heard their screams or could feel their blood dripping from your brow, if you still would feel the same.
Do you feel that your country should use the same standard of destruction as they whom you regard as your enemy? Does that not make you the same as them? Or do you somehow feel that you possess some higher morals - immune of the mutilation and destruction of other human beings?
Do you honestly believe that the slaughter of others will keep you safe? It hasn't so far and I'm afraid it won't either.
I believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and no, I don't recollect ever hearing the message of torture ever being taught as a founding principle for peace, love and understanding.
To have a "Mormon" president embracing such principles of hate and malice would be absolutely devastating.
With warm, but rather tired regards, Marcus
The lack of compassion you display for other human beings breaks my heart. I'm sorry if I come of as harch. But I wonder, if you heard their screams or could feel their blood dripping from your brow, if you still would feel the same.
Do you feel that your country should use the same standard of destruction as they whom you regard as your enemy? Does that not make you the same as them? Or do you somehow feel that you possess some higher morals - immune of the mutilation and destruction of other human beings?
Do you honestly believe that the slaughter of others will keep you safe? It hasn't so far and I'm afraid it won't either.
I believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and no, I don't recollect ever hearing the message of torture ever being taught as a founding principle for peace, love and understanding.
To have a "Mormon" president embracing such principles of hate and malice would be absolutely devastating.
With warm, but rather tired regards, Marcus
Change is good | 2:49 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
People are growing very tired of individual liars and entire cultures that are
liars.
Change is in the wind.
Change is in the wind.
To Vernal | 2:54 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Why do you hate us so much? What has a mormon done to you where your so bitter?
Sure would be fun to see you eat your words! Go Mitt!!!!!!!!!
Mitt for Pres. | 3:00 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Mitt Romney is amazingly prepared to be the next president. He is solid and
intelligent. I agree with "Change is good". Get rid of one individual
liar, Hillary, and an entire culture, the democrats. People are also growing
tired of bigots.
Alex | 3:09 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Waterboarding - Once again, that's not the point of the Geneva Conventions.
The Conventions are INTERNATIONAL LAW that we, the United States, have agreed
to. Waterboarding, which IS regarded as a form of torture, is a VIOLATION of
that law. And as Anonymous 2:43 points out, by using torture, how does that make
us look in the eyes of the rest of the world? They use torture, so we should,
too? I don't believe so. You point out one instance where it worked, but
how many times has it been utterly useless?
Alex | 3:13 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Mitt for Pres. - Don't be so quick to throw a stone at the Democrats. How
many Republicans in 2007 were found to be lying?
West Jordan Pete | 3:19 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
I see Mitt as President just like he saw his dad marching with MLK jr.
Try growing up | 3:19 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Why do those like "to Vernal" insist that everyone hates them? Is this
bitterness taught to them in church? Can't they accept honest criticism?
Critical analysis?
Why such thin skin? I thought the pioneers, who crossed the Great Divide and ...blah, blah, blah (you know the rest)" taught their kin to be tough?
All I see is a bunch of whining babies.
Why such thin skin? I thought the pioneers, who crossed the Great Divide and ...blah, blah, blah (you know the rest)" taught their kin to be tough?
All I see is a bunch of whining babies.
Reality | 3:25 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
America is a corporate oliarchy. No matter who is elected most of us will
continue to contribute to the rich getting richer and the poor becoming poorer
and a dissapearing middle class. One consideration might be that Mitt is an
insider in one of Americas biggest corporations: the Mormon church. Would he
use this tremendous influence and population base to benefit the average
American, or will he side with big international business interests whose only
patriotism is to the business and a one world government.
2 bits | 3:36 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
I'm not for Romney but perused this thread out of curiosity. The question
that came to mind after reading the responses is...
How does "waterboarding" get mentioned so often?
Is "waterboarding" the word of the day on Liberal Talk Radio today or something?
Those who make their decisions based on what a candidate said on your personal hot topic (be it waterbording, abortion, religion, global warming, racism or whatever) are being shallow. We need to find a great leader, not just someone who can say everything we want to hear (like Hillary Clinton). It's easy to please everyone if you come out on all sides of every subject... both for&against the war, for&against pulling out, for&against drivers licenses for illegal aliens, you name it, she's both for&against it (she just says whatever the most recent focus group said they wanted her to say). Problem is... this campaign approach frequently wins the vote of those one issue voters.
I'm looking for a good leader, not a good campainer. Obama or Juliani.
BTW... Does anybody but the media really care what Iowa or NH think?
How does "waterboarding" get mentioned so often?
Is "waterboarding" the word of the day on Liberal Talk Radio today or something?
Those who make their decisions based on what a candidate said on your personal hot topic (be it waterbording, abortion, religion, global warming, racism or whatever) are being shallow. We need to find a great leader, not just someone who can say everything we want to hear (like Hillary Clinton). It's easy to please everyone if you come out on all sides of every subject... both for&against the war, for&against pulling out, for&against drivers licenses for illegal aliens, you name it, she's both for&against it (she just says whatever the most recent focus group said they wanted her to say). Problem is... this campaign approach frequently wins the vote of those one issue voters.
I'm looking for a good leader, not a good campainer. Obama or Juliani.
BTW... Does anybody but the media really care what Iowa or NH think?
Utah Student | 3:37 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Hey Mormons, YOU DONT HAVE TO VOTE FOR SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME
RELIGION. Mitt has proven to be two-faced and scared of the LDS doctrine that is
trying to change to become less "weird" so it fits into mainstream
Christianity. I dont see why Mormons promote this movement. It goes against
everything I learned my 26 years as a mormon. I thought that mormons stood up
for truth, rather then digress when asked if we believe we can become gods. (See
Mitts response, and Pres. Hickley's)
Jun | 3:39 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
It's sad to see so many conservatives dismissing the Constitution ...
My personal liberties are worth more than being safe.
I'd rather be truly free and in danger than be in bondage and be safe...
My personal liberties are worth more than being safe.
I'd rather be truly free and in danger than be in bondage and be safe...
Mitt wins big in Iowa | 3:50 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Just got the latest polling results. Looks like it will be a big win for Mitt.
russ | 4:01 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
jersey boy: you ask a good question. Have I been in the military service. Yes,
Vietnam, Thailand, etc. Our side too. Saw a little action and a lot body bags.
I want a commander in chief who realizes that war is not a game, just the last
option. It is for real, and real people die, and real widows cry. And some
children will not get to meet their dad, or mom. Only look at photos. Mitt
makes this hullabalu about backing Bush and the veterans: oh, if only he was
one. THen he can talk the talk and walk the walk. But obviously it was not in
his future plans when he decided to move up the economic ladder, even higher
than he already was. Let the grunt go and die for our country, but not the
elite. Watch out for those who fake their patriotism. Remember George Jr.? He
went to Alabama and cannot to this day remember what he did. Sometimes you can
read into the future by looking at a person's past. Have any of Mitt's
5 sons gone in? Tells me more than I want to know.
can't see the truck | 4:04 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Today's so-called "conservatives" (aka. die-hard Republicans)
have bought into the fear tactics and the "only I can save you"
political tricks.
I'm afraid they cannot see the truck of change bearing down on them.
Look for even more anti-depressant abuse in the near future.
I'm afraid they cannot see the truck of change bearing down on them.
Look for even more anti-depressant abuse in the near future.
Alex | 4:06 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
2 Bits - I agree, I'm looking for a good leader, not someone like Hillary.
I'm also not looking for someone who is "more of the same," which
is why I'm supporting Senator Barack Obama.
Reader in Denver | 4:17 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Uh.... Alex, can you tell me where the GC rules say that non-combatants (i.e.
not a formal, uniformed member of a country's armed forces) are to be
accorded the Geneva Convention regs, when those same people would laugh you to
scorn for thinking they would (or do) abide by the same "lofty"
regulations of the Geneva Conventions.
Liberals like you are going to get a whole lot more people killed (here and elsewhere) because you are more concerned about the comfort of the enemy than the protection of the citizens/residents of this country. Waterboarding is not torture. It is a very effective, and most uncomfortable means of getting critical information from those who would kill us in a heartbeat because of their interpretation of their holy book (I was going to include a quote here, but don't think it will get past the censor). Suffice it to say, those who do not subscribe to the same religious tenets of Islam as the jhihadists are considered "infidels." And that includes all you wonderful atheists, Christians, et al.
RE Mitt, if he wins the nomination, he will get my vote.
Liberals like you are going to get a whole lot more people killed (here and elsewhere) because you are more concerned about the comfort of the enemy than the protection of the citizens/residents of this country. Waterboarding is not torture. It is a very effective, and most uncomfortable means of getting critical information from those who would kill us in a heartbeat because of their interpretation of their holy book (I was going to include a quote here, but don't think it will get past the censor). Suffice it to say, those who do not subscribe to the same religious tenets of Islam as the jhihadists are considered "infidels." And that includes all you wonderful atheists, Christians, et al.
RE Mitt, if he wins the nomination, he will get my vote.
lack of compassion? | 4:26 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Marcus, Waterboarding is something I would rather not have to go through myself,
but I'm not some secret operative out to destroy the innocent lives of
children and people everywhere who will not submit to my will in the name of
God. My compassion is for the innocent, those affected by war and terror that
has been thrust upon them by the vile of this world who at this point no longer
deserve ANY compassion and have forced the worlds hand to fight them. God has
his limits too, that's why there is a hell. Since Al-Quaida refuses to
show any form of compassion to children and innocent bystanders, unlike the
mostly 98% of our US military serving in Iraq and Afghanistan(several of whom I
know personally), it is my duty as a freedom loving and compassionate parent to
stand up for the rights of our whole world and not let terroism win. And YES
the scriptures do say, both biblically and throughout the Book of Mormon and
Doctrine and Covenants, that when a people have been wronged over and over they
have the right to defend themselves. Read Alma 43:47. I hate war too. I cry too.
Reader in Denver | 4:29 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Pardon me... I meant to say "enemy combatants" instead of
"non-combatants."
Alex | 4:31 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Reader in Denver - Thanks for assuming I'm a liberal! Wrong. I'm an
independent whose political ideology is conservative, liberal, socialist,
moderate, etc. It's not the best to assume...
Anonymous | 4:37 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
The reason waterboarding and torture is mentioned so often here is because of
Mitt Romneys refusal to denounce it.
It says more concerning a Presidential candidate's moral bearing than perhaps anything else.
People asks themselves, why will he not denounce it? Why can't he declare loud and clear that NOONE will be Waterboarded under his administration?
What other forms of torture is agreeable with him?
I wonder, how will the American members of The Church of Jesus Christ react if their president, also a member, authorized the torture of other human beings? I know how I would feel. I would vomit. I really mean it. It would be the most horrible day of my life.
It says more concerning a Presidential candidate's moral bearing than perhaps anything else.
People asks themselves, why will he not denounce it? Why can't he declare loud and clear that NOONE will be Waterboarded under his administration?
What other forms of torture is agreeable with him?
I wonder, how will the American members of The Church of Jesus Christ react if their president, also a member, authorized the torture of other human beings? I know how I would feel. I would vomit. I really mean it. It would be the most horrible day of my life.
BigPoet | 4:44 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
To "Can't Decide": McCain blows with the wind after licking his
finger, and he plays to the dems and media. I believe he has also sold off his
position on the 2nd amendment in exchange for campaign support/dollars.
Romney has been as conservative as any Republican could be in Massachusetts. Since he's not running in Massachusetts, he can be even more of his true conservative self.
Romney has been as conservative as any Republican could be in Massachusetts. Since he's not running in Massachusetts, he can be even more of his true conservative self.
jfrazier | 4:50 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Anonymous 4:37:
Why can't you understand that this is not an issue of whether we should allow torture, but rather, an issue of what we consider torture. There is a disagreement on what constitutes torture, so just reiterating that you believe we should not torture just gets you no where.
The point is that many DO NOT CONSIDER WATERBOARDING AS TORTURE. Debate that if you want. So now if you automatically assume that this is torture you have made a leap that Mitt does not (by the way, I don't speak for Mitt...I barely speak for myself). While I do consider it a bit rough, I don't consider it torture. I have seen it and heard the testimony of those that have had it done to them and I feel it is justified as an interrogation technique, while at the same time I do not condone torture.
Why can't you understand that this is not an issue of whether we should allow torture, but rather, an issue of what we consider torture. There is a disagreement on what constitutes torture, so just reiterating that you believe we should not torture just gets you no where.
The point is that many DO NOT CONSIDER WATERBOARDING AS TORTURE. Debate that if you want. So now if you automatically assume that this is torture you have made a leap that Mitt does not (by the way, I don't speak for Mitt...I barely speak for myself). While I do consider it a bit rough, I don't consider it torture. I have seen it and heard the testimony of those that have had it done to them and I feel it is justified as an interrogation technique, while at the same time I do not condone torture.
Anonymous | 5:03 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
I see our neocon friends are at it again affixing what they believe to be the
dirtiest of words, Liberal to those who dare question neocon ideology.
Actually we are all liberal by nature, so I would take that to be a compliment.
Actually we are all liberal by nature, so I would take that to be a compliment.
Reader in Denver | 5:07 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Alex, ever heard the phrase: "If it walks like a duck..."? Your
comments on this board sound like a liberal mindset. Also, it sounds like you
can be tossed to and fro with every wind of political doctrine and have no
steering mechanism in your value system.
Still, GC doesn't apply to the situation we are in now. It simply doesn't apply.
Also consider: With so many of a particular religion looking to enslave the rest of the world to a caliphate wouldn't you rather have the freedom to choose your beliefs rather than have them imposed on you under penalty of death for non-compliance? And if the most effective way to get information to keep you safe and free is waterboarding, wouldn't you want it?
Romney still gets my vote if he gets the GOP nomination.
Still, GC doesn't apply to the situation we are in now. It simply doesn't apply.
Also consider: With so many of a particular religion looking to enslave the rest of the world to a caliphate wouldn't you rather have the freedom to choose your beliefs rather than have them imposed on you under penalty of death for non-compliance? And if the most effective way to get information to keep you safe and free is waterboarding, wouldn't you want it?
Romney still gets my vote if he gets the GOP nomination.
Southernutah | 5:10 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Go Mitt Romney! you have my vote 10000%!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marcus | 5:14 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Response to "lack of compassion? | 4:26"
I apreciate your views. And I do understand your feelings, I have them to. But that doesn't mean we have to act in that way.
Please, I beg you, there is one thing that seperates societies based on freedom from the people that have no regards for those things. And that is justice.
If you feel that torture of humans is OK, how do you know that a person driven by Torture to the brink of mental and physical collaps are in fact a person "worthy" of such torment. They have not stood a trial. They have not had a chance to defend themselves. Their crimes have not been proven nor disproven.
They are there because someone said "that person is the enemy".
This is the downfall of civilized nations, in the past and now. Justice is set aside. People are tortured - innocent or not.
Two people were extracted from my country by CIA agents. They were brought to Egypt. They were tortured. Later they were proven innocent. The scandal was ofcourse enourmous, but the deed was already done.
To hear Mitt Romney refuse to denounce acts of Torture, shakes me deeply.
I apreciate your views. And I do understand your feelings, I have them to. But that doesn't mean we have to act in that way.
Please, I beg you, there is one thing that seperates societies based on freedom from the people that have no regards for those things. And that is justice.
If you feel that torture of humans is OK, how do you know that a person driven by Torture to the brink of mental and physical collaps are in fact a person "worthy" of such torment. They have not stood a trial. They have not had a chance to defend themselves. Their crimes have not been proven nor disproven.
They are there because someone said "that person is the enemy".
This is the downfall of civilized nations, in the past and now. Justice is set aside. People are tortured - innocent or not.
Two people were extracted from my country by CIA agents. They were brought to Egypt. They were tortured. Later they were proven innocent. The scandal was ofcourse enourmous, but the deed was already done.
To hear Mitt Romney refuse to denounce acts of Torture, shakes me deeply.
jfrazier | 5:15 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Anonymous 5:03
Sure, and it is a liberal tactic to throw out your own labels and in the end say nothing of any substance. Take that as a compliment if you like, but I find most liberal arguments shallow and without substance except some sort of feel good soft fuzzy gibberish.
I have my own definition of liberal and it has nothing to do with compassion and taking care of people.
Sure, and it is a liberal tactic to throw out your own labels and in the end say nothing of any substance. Take that as a compliment if you like, but I find most liberal arguments shallow and without substance except some sort of feel good soft fuzzy gibberish.
I have my own definition of liberal and it has nothing to do with compassion and taking care of people.
TYLER | 5:22 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
Wow what's with all the Bush bashing? it irritates me to death that people
can't stand behind the person they voted for.
People always complain about people flip flopping and when Bush stands behind his policy he's an idiot. I see strength in a man who refuses to lose in a war that a vast majority of congress voted for. Who's criticized for working hard to make sure children are properly tested and educated saying it's too hard on kids and teachers. Who votes for alternative fuels in the US and is accused of trying to steal foreign oil. A man who people call dumb yet they could never graduate from Yale or Harvard, (Bush did both) I can go on and on people!
There are few men as rock steady as Bush is but I'd like to see Romney step up to the plate
People always complain about people flip flopping and when Bush stands behind his policy he's an idiot. I see strength in a man who refuses to lose in a war that a vast majority of congress voted for. Who's criticized for working hard to make sure children are properly tested and educated saying it's too hard on kids and teachers. Who votes for alternative fuels in the US and is accused of trying to steal foreign oil. A man who people call dumb yet they could never graduate from Yale or Harvard, (Bush did both) I can go on and on people!
There are few men as rock steady as Bush is but I'd like to see Romney step up to the plate
Anonymous 4:37 | 5:38 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
jfrazier, you really hit the nail on the head,
Thank you!
I personally would like to rename Waterboarding: "a rather wet, but cosy dinner party", but that doesn't retract from the fact of what it is.
"Waterboarding is a Crime against humanity and a legally defined War Crime under the Geneva Conventions."
If Mitt Romney want to rename it, or classify it to something else, that's his nausiating choice. But it's still Torture. It still fills a persons lungs with water and it still inflicts the panic of death upon a person because he or she WILL die, if the act does not end.
There is no disagreement. It is no technique that is merely "a bit ruff", captured Japanese soldiers were sentenced to 15 years of hard labour prisons for using this form of Torture.
And Mitt Romney will not say if he will use it or not ... I don't believe I'm actually having this discussion.
With love, Anonymous 4:37
Thank you!
I personally would like to rename Waterboarding: "a rather wet, but cosy dinner party", but that doesn't retract from the fact of what it is.
"Waterboarding is a Crime against humanity and a legally defined War Crime under the Geneva Conventions."
If Mitt Romney want to rename it, or classify it to something else, that's his nausiating choice. But it's still Torture. It still fills a persons lungs with water and it still inflicts the panic of death upon a person because he or she WILL die, if the act does not end.
There is no disagreement. It is no technique that is merely "a bit ruff", captured Japanese soldiers were sentenced to 15 years of hard labour prisons for using this form of Torture.
And Mitt Romney will not say if he will use it or not ... I don't believe I'm actually having this discussion.
With love, Anonymous 4:37
Anonymous | 5:39 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008
For your homework assignment "Reader in Denver," compose a sentence or
phrase that addresses a social/political issue without using the words liberal
or left.
Then for for one full week go without listening to The Rush Limbaugh Show.
Then for for one full week go without listening to The Rush Limbaugh Show.
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