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Lynn H in Tennessee | 2:16 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
My philosophy professor and I are enjoying a wonderful dialog as he now sees
that what he's learned about us from others simply is not true. It's
easy to share the truth!
Camille | 3:09 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
And that's exactly what I am doing. I'm not afraid to stand up for my
beliefs and I don't back down from them either. I have a very strong
testimony and I will share it with all who want to listen.
wjgramma | 4:02 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Great talk by a great, humble leader of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints. I believe that it is important to share our beliefs, but only with those
who really want to know what we belief.
Critics will always be out there to condemn the Church for what they believe to be true; i.e. readers' comments at deseretnew.com that the church was racially biased. What those people don't know is that there were black saints who crossed the plains with the Pioneers, & that Joseph Smith was anti-slavery and helped some families buy their relatives out of slavery. Also, there were hundreds of black Saints ready to be baptized long before missionaries were sent to Africa. They were eventually sent, and many were baptized before the revelation on the Priesthood in 1978. When the revelation came, the black saints were estatic, and other members were thankful that it was time. I remember where I was when it was announced that Pres. Kimball had extended the priesthood to all worthy males. He had prayed long because he was so concerned about the fact that it wasn't available to all men. Now it is, and I'm pleased.
Critics will always be out there to condemn the Church for what they believe to be true; i.e. readers' comments at deseretnew.com that the church was racially biased. What those people don't know is that there were black saints who crossed the plains with the Pioneers, & that Joseph Smith was anti-slavery and helped some families buy their relatives out of slavery. Also, there were hundreds of black Saints ready to be baptized long before missionaries were sent to Africa. They were eventually sent, and many were baptized before the revelation on the Priesthood in 1978. When the revelation came, the black saints were estatic, and other members were thankful that it was time. I remember where I was when it was announced that Pres. Kimball had extended the priesthood to all worthy males. He had prayed long because he was so concerned about the fact that it wasn't available to all men. Now it is, and I'm pleased.
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Tony | 4:58 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
I enjoy using the church conference videos, downloaded to my iPod with an
external speaker, to share with my home teaching families, prospective members,
and family members. I share a short, spirit-filled snippet and share my
testimony of the spiritual construct explained by the general authority. (Romans
10:14) One must hear the word in order to feel the Spirit. The Lord provides us
with these tools to forward his work. As we use them, additional tools will be
provided. Just one more way we can be instruments in his hands.
Blogs is a bad Idea | 5:54 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
The first question is Why is half of Utah Non Mormon, so lets go blogging to get
more? But next questions is how long can they hold their tongues when people
start talking bad about them. Are they above it or are they going to fall it to
the trap and not response respectfully?
jph1223 | 6:07 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
I am glad to see these positive comments from Elder Ballard. I do know that
about 3 or 4 years ago the LDS Church was encouraging bloggers to close down
their sites and defer to the Church in explaining it's beliefs.
Unfortunatley, the bloggosphere is too large and unwieldy for there to be one
source for information. And double unfortunately, many in the bloggosphere
consider information from the prime source to be suspect. There are a lot of
good blogs and information sites asking hard questions and giving intelligent
responses.
A great day | 6:08 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
What a great day in which to live. The opportunities for us as members of this
amazing world religion to share our story of the Restoration are growing. We
have a responsibility to rise up and open our mouths. Rip off the camouflage.
Tear down the walls of superstition and ignorance and prejudice. This is how
the Church mission is accomplished, by common ordinary members like me standing
up and doing more good and telling others how it has blessed our lives. I am
100% behind Elder Ballard's statement, because it has brought me peace,
hope, love, compassion, more caring and generally made me a better person. I am
closer to my Savior and to my neighbor. So many would flock to this Church if
their phobias and fears were dissipated by us, those they meet, those they live
among, and those with vocal cords and/or a keyboard. That is why the prejudice,
because without it they would be flocking in droves. Satan knows that. The
opportunity is ours. Seize the day.
Dave | 6:36 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
As an East Coast Mormon, I've grown used to the snickers and hostility
shown to members of the Church here. No one else at work has more than two
kids. You're the only one in the office not going out for drinks after
work. Some families in the neighborhood won't let their kids play with
your kids. All of the children's sports teams have Sunday games.
Many people are curious about our lifestyle, and most have issues with our beliefs. We're seen as racist, sexist, homophobic, and naive. A few people have been interested enough to attend a church function, I have not had any of them join our church.
We do our part to be good examples for others, and help people understand us better. We live and let live, and don't judge others because they don't share our beliefs or lifestyle. We find common ground where we can, and realize that there is some good in everyone we meet.
Many people are curious about our lifestyle, and most have issues with our beliefs. We're seen as racist, sexist, homophobic, and naive. A few people have been interested enough to attend a church function, I have not had any of them join our church.
We do our part to be good examples for others, and help people understand us better. We live and let live, and don't judge others because they don't share our beliefs or lifestyle. We find common ground where we can, and realize that there is some good in everyone we meet.
Grandma Carol | 7:14 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Thank you, Elder Ballard! 'have to get back to my blog.
J. Council | 8:30 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Although I am a non-Mormon, as an African American I see common threads from the
key points in this article that can be used to change what others believe about
your religion.
African Americans try to educate and enlighten the media to replace "negative perceptions" and beliefs about our people.
The media continues to present too many stereotypes and one-sided stories designed to foster prejudice and bigotry against African Americans. Therefore, our people realize that we must always be prepared to assertively rather than passively enlighten others and replace wrongful conclusions with truths.
Just as the article states that the media promotes bias and prejudice about LDS peoples beliefs, so to have African-Americans been subjected to negative portrayals and media stereotypes.
Too often these sterotypes and biased conclusions were institutionalized and unfortunately fostered wrongful conclusions about an entire race and our ancestors were terrorized and treated as second class citizens.
Knowledge of the truth is the beginning of wisdom.
Many of today's graduates should not only defend their faith but they can also be examples of those who practice dignity and respect toward persons of a different ethnicity and skin color.
African Americans try to educate and enlighten the media to replace "negative perceptions" and beliefs about our people.
The media continues to present too many stereotypes and one-sided stories designed to foster prejudice and bigotry against African Americans. Therefore, our people realize that we must always be prepared to assertively rather than passively enlighten others and replace wrongful conclusions with truths.
Just as the article states that the media promotes bias and prejudice about LDS peoples beliefs, so to have African-Americans been subjected to negative portrayals and media stereotypes.
Too often these sterotypes and biased conclusions were institutionalized and unfortunately fostered wrongful conclusions about an entire race and our ancestors were terrorized and treated as second class citizens.
Knowledge of the truth is the beginning of wisdom.
Many of today's graduates should not only defend their faith but they can also be examples of those who practice dignity and respect toward persons of a different ethnicity and skin color.
james stowe | 8:51 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Share, yes, but don't cram it down our throats, and saying its the only
true religion.
Comment Contention | 9:27 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Perhaps all LDS who comment on these and other LDS-related articles should state
the facts as they know them and not resort to name calling. On another Desnews
story many LDS told a lady who complained about mormons in Orem to just leave
Utah. I think those are the comments Elder Ballard wishes us to avoid. Sometimes
the passive approach of stating what you know to be true and leaving the
situation is the best approach. That's what missionaries should do rather
than "bash."
Ernie | 9:56 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
All you can do is set a good example, be prepared with pass along cards and have
a Book of Mormon with you. Be loving and kind and someone will eventually be
impressed enough to take a look into your faith. I am going to make a consious
effort to tone down my arguing side.
Russ Tibbitts | 10:24 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Dear James, simply by saying that we believe this to be the only true church on
the earth, is not cramming it down your throat, is it? I mean, yes, some
members may not say it with humility, and I hate that, but just to say that we
believe it is the true, restored Church of Christ on the earth is not to cram it
down your throat. I hope that's not how you feel.
just-commenting | 10:24 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
This is fine, but not without risk. So much of what I see on the blogs from
church members comes from the lunatic fringe on the far right and is unbalanced
and mean-spirited, if not outright incorrect. It portrays us as intolerant and
unkind. Much of it only reinforces the negative image that others have of us.
Non-members are told to get out of Utah if they don't like the way we treat
them.
I hope that they do not see this as the go ahead to vent their disdain for those who are not LDS. I hope that those who blog will be able to keep things positive and not embarrass the rest of us who respect and love our friends and neighbors who have chosen a different way to worship or have chosen not to worship at all.
I hope that they do not see this as the go ahead to vent their disdain for those who are not LDS. I hope that those who blog will be able to keep things positive and not embarrass the rest of us who respect and love our friends and neighbors who have chosen a different way to worship or have chosen not to worship at all.
Anonymous | 10:24 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
I think it is a great idea for members of the church to share their beliefs and
views on the blogs. What I'm wondering though is why at this time when the
church is in the spotlight the church is not putting forth a major television
and ad campaign responding to the lies that are being put out there. It seems
like now would be the ideal time to get the attention of quite a few
individuals.
Danger!!! | 11:13 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
I think the Church is making this request of its members because it feels it has
no other choice.
But if you genuinely want to engage (not bash) someone in a discusion regarding legitimate (not anti) concerns then you need to become fairly educated around BOTH sides of a question. And that will be very eye-opening and potentially damaging to testimonies.
Let's take one example:
A wealth of information exists suggesting that Joseph Smith did not accurately translate the egyptian papyra into the Book of Abraham. One can make very honest, reasoned, educated arguments highlighting many problems with the BofA translation. One does not have to be "anti" to have questions around this subject. However, the problem is that a heartfelt testimony providing details of many wonderful experiences gained through the Church will not address the honest, legitimate questions one might have about the BofA.
This has the potential of exposing many members to honest issues that could create more questions than answers. A simple testimony, while powerful, does not answer many sincere, honest questions. Perhaps the positive thing about this is that this may begin an era in which the Church will eventually have to honestly answer certain questions.
But if you genuinely want to engage (not bash) someone in a discusion regarding legitimate (not anti) concerns then you need to become fairly educated around BOTH sides of a question. And that will be very eye-opening and potentially damaging to testimonies.
Let's take one example:
A wealth of information exists suggesting that Joseph Smith did not accurately translate the egyptian papyra into the Book of Abraham. One can make very honest, reasoned, educated arguments highlighting many problems with the BofA translation. One does not have to be "anti" to have questions around this subject. However, the problem is that a heartfelt testimony providing details of many wonderful experiences gained through the Church will not address the honest, legitimate questions one might have about the BofA.
This has the potential of exposing many members to honest issues that could create more questions than answers. A simple testimony, while powerful, does not answer many sincere, honest questions. Perhaps the positive thing about this is that this may begin an era in which the Church will eventually have to honestly answer certain questions.
Danger!!! | 11:28 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
An example in follow-up to my "Danger" post:
I personally have long been perplexed by the Necene Creed - it's origin, seeming lack of biblical support, and questions as to how Christians can honestly support it. My question around this is not with an anti-Christian spirit. Therefore, if a fellow Christian were willing to discuss this with me in person or over the internet - a testimony of his or her belief in Christianity and the Nicene Creed and examples of how his or her Christian lifestyle blessed their life would NOT help answer my honest questions. I may appreciate their sincerety but I would continue to look elsewhere for answers to my questions.
How is this different from what Elder Ballard is asking members to do? Many will simply go away with unanswered questions, a sense that members either can't or don't want to actually answer their questions. And the likely result is that members will often obtain a few nagging questions of their own from the exchange.
The Church KNOWS what issues are generally out there. The Church refuses to answer them instead leaving it to apologists and now rank and file members!!
This will not help.
I personally have long been perplexed by the Necene Creed - it's origin, seeming lack of biblical support, and questions as to how Christians can honestly support it. My question around this is not with an anti-Christian spirit. Therefore, if a fellow Christian were willing to discuss this with me in person or over the internet - a testimony of his or her belief in Christianity and the Nicene Creed and examples of how his or her Christian lifestyle blessed their life would NOT help answer my honest questions. I may appreciate their sincerety but I would continue to look elsewhere for answers to my questions.
How is this different from what Elder Ballard is asking members to do? Many will simply go away with unanswered questions, a sense that members either can't or don't want to actually answer their questions. And the likely result is that members will often obtain a few nagging questions of their own from the exchange.
The Church KNOWS what issues are generally out there. The Church refuses to answer them instead leaving it to apologists and now rank and file members!!
This will not help.
to dcb and others | 11:48 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Mormons did not break away from Protestants.
Members and member missionaries have been spreading the word since the early days of the church. This isn't a new request. If you want to know, ask a member or one of the 60,000 at their own expense missionaries.
Members and member missionaries have been spreading the word since the early days of the church. This isn't a new request. If you want to know, ask a member or one of the 60,000 at their own expense missionaries.
Lyle | 11:51 a.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Elder Ballard's advice to share accurate representations of our faith
reminds me of this statement: "It is our duty to concentrate all our
influence to make popular that which is sound and good, and unpopular that which
is unsound." -- Joseph Smith
That which is "sound" is based upon principles. It involves searching reliable, primary sources and the ability to withhold judgment until all pertinent facts are gathered in...and in context. This requires patience and is not easily had in a knee-jerk, armchair quarterback world. Churchill allegedly said that � a lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.�
That which is "unsound" is based upon bigotry, lies, and distortions. This results in the ful, fiery invective as displayed by msnbc's Lawrence O'Donnell last week against the LDS Church.
May we do our homework.
That which is "sound" is based upon principles. It involves searching reliable, primary sources and the ability to withhold judgment until all pertinent facts are gathered in...and in context. This requires patience and is not easily had in a knee-jerk, armchair quarterback world. Churchill allegedly said that � a lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.�
That which is "unsound" is based upon bigotry, lies, and distortions. This results in the ful, fiery invective as displayed by msnbc's Lawrence O'Donnell last week against the LDS Church.
May we do our homework.
10:09 comment | 12:13 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
There is nothing wrong with Dave's comment. There is no arrogance in his
words. He even straight up said "we live and let live and don't judge
others because they don't share our lifestyle...we realize there is good in
everyone we meet".
What's wrong with those comments?
What's wrong with those comments?
the day is surely comming | 12:57 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
as this should speed up and increase the persecution by the comments of a
ignorant few. Live it first then show true tolerance not the phony kind so
prevalent. i believe in the savior and do many good things even for members with
whom i associate many are lonely still. mainly because of their physical
circumstance. if you choose the rigth,then do the right by words as i take mr.
or brother ballard to mean..you guys have alot of visible great people leading
so stick close to them and the savior. you don't have to downplay anyone if
you do so by uplifting. the world already has succumbed to the desynsetized,
ignorant, lack of charity so prevalent under the accepted form of trash talk.
Speak so i may know thee by spirit i believe is what bro ballard means. in the
near future we are all going to have to depend on the love of christ either by
challenge or death. so please do not let your words deviate from what the
creator would want and i think we non members may be a little more accepting.
your predecessors use to be so slow to anger..but now?
My belief | 1:01 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
I appreciate what the Bible & Book of Mormon teach and I believe both to be
the word of God. Jesus Christ is my savior and only through his atoning
sacrifice will I be able to be saved from death, hell, the devil, and endless
torment. There will always be critics that don't believe the same way I
do, but that's ok. I'll still say hello to them and let them worship
how, where, or what they may. Merry Christmas everyone.
Opinion | 1:07 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Well putting Elder Ballards wise words into practice, I see many non-LDS people
have posted comments and many of these comments are against our church just on
this article alone. If people are to form an opinion based on these anti-mormon
comments then they stand to be corrected. So my opinion is say a prayer and ask
God. If you follow "facts" like "sharing the truth" suggests
above, the fact is most scientific evidence would have you believe in evolution
and that God does not exist. Now ask yourself if that is what you believe. If
there is even a small part of you that wants to believe in God then it would be
pointless to base your opinion on scientific evidence alone. Scientists can be
wrong. ASK GOD IF THE CHURCH IS TRUE NOT A SCIENTIST!
member | 1:18 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
I KNOW GOD EXISTS
I KNOW JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD
I KNOW THE BOOK OF MORMON WAS INSPIRED BY GOD
I KNOW JOSEPH SMITH WAS LED BY GOD TO RESTORE THE CHURCH TO THE EARTH
I KNOW WE ARE LED BY A CURRENT PROPHET THAT RECEIVES REVELATION FROM GOD
DO YOU KNOW THESE THINGS? IF NOT HOW WOULD YOU KNOW?
OPTIONS:
ASK THE INTERNET
ASK A FRIEND
ASK AN OPPOSING CHURCH
ASK ANTI-MORMONS
ASK THE DEVIL (SANTAN, LUCIFER OR WHATEVER)
ASK A CHURCH MEMBER
ASK SCIENTISTS
ASK THE MISSIONARIES
ASK ARCHEOLOGISTS
ASK .....YOU FILL IN THE BLANK
WHAT DO THEY KNOW....ONLY THEIR OPINION
WHO KNOWS THE REAL ANSWER THAT IS NOT AN OPINION?
ASK GOD!
DOES THAT SEEM UNREASONABLE? WOULD HE SAY AN OPINION OR DOES HE KNOW THE ANSWER?
I KNOW HE KNOWS THE ANSWER. THATS HOW I KNOW THE CHURCH IS TRUE
I KNOW JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD
I KNOW THE BOOK OF MORMON WAS INSPIRED BY GOD
I KNOW JOSEPH SMITH WAS LED BY GOD TO RESTORE THE CHURCH TO THE EARTH
I KNOW WE ARE LED BY A CURRENT PROPHET THAT RECEIVES REVELATION FROM GOD
DO YOU KNOW THESE THINGS? IF NOT HOW WOULD YOU KNOW?
OPTIONS:
ASK THE INTERNET
ASK A FRIEND
ASK AN OPPOSING CHURCH
ASK ANTI-MORMONS
ASK THE DEVIL (SANTAN, LUCIFER OR WHATEVER)
ASK A CHURCH MEMBER
ASK SCIENTISTS
ASK THE MISSIONARIES
ASK ARCHEOLOGISTS
ASK .....YOU FILL IN THE BLANK
WHAT DO THEY KNOW....ONLY THEIR OPINION
WHO KNOWS THE REAL ANSWER THAT IS NOT AN OPINION?
ASK GOD!
DOES THAT SEEM UNREASONABLE? WOULD HE SAY AN OPINION OR DOES HE KNOW THE ANSWER?
I KNOW HE KNOWS THE ANSWER. THATS HOW I KNOW THE CHURCH IS TRUE
Standing Up | 1:35 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Nice talk by E. Ballard and there should be no offense in simply standing up for
one's beliefs. Too often the stance of not taking a stance has been taken.
I think that by defending the faith, but with quiet dignity is what is being
proposed and is due.
Progression | 1:46 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Life is about progression. I'm inspired by people of all faiths who are
kind, honest, hard-working, and selfless. I may disagree with some of the
tenets of other religions, but I try to refrain from criticizing anyone's
beliefs because I know what it's like to experience it. God bless.
Okie Mormon | 1:46 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
I find it interesting that non-mormons know more about Mormon history than the
history of their own church. Why? What's "the rest of their
story"
Joseph Smith never claimed to be perfect. Neither was Abraham, Moses etc. If Abraham was perfect we wouldn't be having contention over who had the birthright today.
I wonder why other religions are so offended by the Mormon claim to being the only true church, don't they believe that about their religion and if not why are they attending that church?
It saddens me that LDS members would use use such a trivial response as "If you don't like it leave" I hear that often here in the Bible belt. I feel that they don't have to like my opinion but at least consider it long enough to determine if it is valid or not, and then help me understand their way of thinking if I'm totally out of line.
Every religion has similar traditions, Here in Oklahoma, Wednesdy night is Church night, while Monday night is family night in Utah.
We are excluded by our Baptist neighbors just as much as Non-mormons feel excluded by their Mormon neighbors in Utah. Go figure.
Joseph Smith never claimed to be perfect. Neither was Abraham, Moses etc. If Abraham was perfect we wouldn't be having contention over who had the birthright today.
I wonder why other religions are so offended by the Mormon claim to being the only true church, don't they believe that about their religion and if not why are they attending that church?
It saddens me that LDS members would use use such a trivial response as "If you don't like it leave" I hear that often here in the Bible belt. I feel that they don't have to like my opinion but at least consider it long enough to determine if it is valid or not, and then help me understand their way of thinking if I'm totally out of line.
Every religion has similar traditions, Here in Oklahoma, Wednesdy night is Church night, while Monday night is family night in Utah.
We are excluded by our Baptist neighbors just as much as Non-mormons feel excluded by their Mormon neighbors in Utah. Go figure.
David | 2:09 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Hearing from Elder Ballard and the responses posted above, I can't help but
think how important it is to be proactive in sharing what you know to be true.
I have many evangelical, baptist, catholic, and non-religious friends of which I
am so grateful for the things they teach me and the concerns we openly discuss
about each other's faith. I have learned a lot about ways that I can be a
better Christian through their willingness to share with me what they know to be
true.
I hope that we all can take that proactive stance and declare our own experiences with love and understanding of what we know to be true. I know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He guides us through prophets today. He also gives us the chance to know for ourselves if this is true or not. I am grateful that He has opened my eyes and heart to the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon and of Joseph Smith and that the LDS faith truly is founded upon Him.
I hope we all can declare the truth no matter our background and circumstances. We will all be better people.
I hope that we all can take that proactive stance and declare our own experiences with love and understanding of what we know to be true. I know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He guides us through prophets today. He also gives us the chance to know for ourselves if this is true or not. I am grateful that He has opened my eyes and heart to the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon and of Joseph Smith and that the LDS faith truly is founded upon Him.
I hope we all can declare the truth no matter our background and circumstances. We will all be better people.
Of Seeds and Soils | 2:42 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Truth will grow in the world as sowers like Elder Ballard (Apostle of Jesus
Christ) continue to sow the seeds (Gospel of Jesus Christ/word of God).
Most people that hear the word of God understand that this life is a spiritual journey. There are lessons to be learned.
As Jesus taught in the parable of the sower (see Matthew 13:1-9;18-30)�some seeds will be planted and grow in the soil of the gospel�and some will not.
When the soil is hard (hearts are hard) no growth. Some seeds will fall by the way side (can�t understand); on stony places (become easily offended); among thorns (choked by worldly cares and riches); devoured by fowls (Satan binds them). However, good seed (followers of Jesus) will grow in the good ground (hear, understand and do) and produce fruit (good works).
Most people that hear the word of God understand that this life is a spiritual journey. There are lessons to be learned.
As Jesus taught in the parable of the sower (see Matthew 13:1-9;18-30)�some seeds will be planted and grow in the soil of the gospel�and some will not.
When the soil is hard (hearts are hard) no growth. Some seeds will fall by the way side (can�t understand); on stony places (become easily offended); among thorns (choked by worldly cares and riches); devoured by fowls (Satan binds them). However, good seed (followers of Jesus) will grow in the good ground (hear, understand and do) and produce fruit (good works).
Truth not exclusively LDS | 2:50 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has always been clear in our
understanding that truth is eternal...and from God.
When Latter-day Saints claim we hold the fullness of the Gospel (full-truth) that does not in any way exclude other religions or individuals, of any denomination or philosophy from finding and holding truth too.
All who seek to rise above themselves must make a humble and honest inquiry to determine where truth lies: an inquiry in their hearts as well as in their minds and in their lives.
It was the Joseph Smith that taught this truth well before the comprehension of most: �The first and fundamental principle of our holy religion is, that we believe that we have a right to embrace all, and every item of truth, without limitation or without being circumscribed or prohibited by the creeds or superstitious notions of men, or by the dominations of one another, when that truth is clearly demonstrated to our minds, and we have the highest degree of evidence of the same.� (Joseph Smith to Isaac Galland, Mar. 22, 1839, Liberty Jail, Liberty, Missouri, published in Times and Seasons, Feb. 1840, pp. 53�54)
When Latter-day Saints claim we hold the fullness of the Gospel (full-truth) that does not in any way exclude other religions or individuals, of any denomination or philosophy from finding and holding truth too.
All who seek to rise above themselves must make a humble and honest inquiry to determine where truth lies: an inquiry in their hearts as well as in their minds and in their lives.
It was the Joseph Smith that taught this truth well before the comprehension of most: �The first and fundamental principle of our holy religion is, that we believe that we have a right to embrace all, and every item of truth, without limitation or without being circumscribed or prohibited by the creeds or superstitious notions of men, or by the dominations of one another, when that truth is clearly demonstrated to our minds, and we have the highest degree of evidence of the same.� (Joseph Smith to Isaac Galland, Mar. 22, 1839, Liberty Jail, Liberty, Missouri, published in Times and Seasons, Feb. 1840, pp. 53�54)
Zarathustra | 3:13 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
DANGER! I was a very faithful BIC member for 25 years, BYU grad, temple
marriage. It was when I did pretty much what Elder Ballard suggests (don't
hesitate to share the gospel) that I was forced to respond to "facts"
my non-Mormon fellow grad students presented me (of which I had never heard -
Danites, Adam-God, blood atonement, etc.).
It was in my faith-driven desire to engage them with facts that I discovered that their "facts" were NOT, as I had assumed, lies and distortions.
If you want to keep your testimony, don't follow Elder Ballard's advice.
It was in my faith-driven desire to engage them with facts that I discovered that their "facts" were NOT, as I had assumed, lies and distortions.
If you want to keep your testimony, don't follow Elder Ballard's advice.
Faith in Men? | 4:07 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
What I seem to notice a lot about the recent upsurgence of Church criticism is
that there is a lot of emphasis on what men said or did.
Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and even today's Church members receive many negative labels and accounts of their behavior by critics in order to persuade their argument that the Church is not true.
However, the Church is not based on these or any other mortal men. It is based upon the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and the only way to know for a certainty if it is true is to actually put it into practice.
Short of this, there will always be doubt and haranguing.
Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and even today's Church members receive many negative labels and accounts of their behavior by critics in order to persuade their argument that the Church is not true.
However, the Church is not based on these or any other mortal men. It is based upon the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and the only way to know for a certainty if it is true is to actually put it into practice.
Short of this, there will always be doubt and haranguing.
JayeG | 4:22 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Just Commenting...your comment pointed out what I intended to say upon reading
this article, and while reading the comments preceding yours. The problem I have
seen while participating in the Daily Herald forum, not only encompasses what
you've said about fringe kooks with paper-thin skin, who take every
disagreement as a personal attack on THEM...as well as on their LDS faith...is
that we have also some very misinformed LDS members trying to explain points of
doctrine which they obviously do not have a clear understanding of. This is
something that Elder Ballard cautioned against. It is important to possess
adequate understanding before one attempts to explain the doctrines.
Truth? | 4:57 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
I will admit that as a member there have been things that cause me to ponder and
frankly, come up short when using only intellectual reasoning.
Even some postings have caused me to ponder things I have not previously been confronted with. Such as Joseph using seer stones to look for treasure before the plates.
But, thank goodness that the instruction found in scripture and from the prophets teaches us to use more than intellectual reasoning. Praying to a loving God who has no motive to mislead us is the only way to find truth. Confirmation by the Holy Spirit and faith are other elements that lead to spiritual knowledge.
Why are things confusing? Because as the scriptures teach us there is opposition in all things.
If the doctrines of the LDS faith are not true then I find myself very worried and threatened by a world full of religious options where none offer sufficient answers to critical questions.
Who am I? Why am I here? Where will I go after this life? What of those who do not hear of Christ and die without baptism? What of children that die? Who goes to heaven and who to hell?
Even some postings have caused me to ponder things I have not previously been confronted with. Such as Joseph using seer stones to look for treasure before the plates.
But, thank goodness that the instruction found in scripture and from the prophets teaches us to use more than intellectual reasoning. Praying to a loving God who has no motive to mislead us is the only way to find truth. Confirmation by the Holy Spirit and faith are other elements that lead to spiritual knowledge.
Why are things confusing? Because as the scriptures teach us there is opposition in all things.
If the doctrines of the LDS faith are not true then I find myself very worried and threatened by a world full of religious options where none offer sufficient answers to critical questions.
Who am I? Why am I here? Where will I go after this life? What of those who do not hear of Christ and die without baptism? What of children that die? Who goes to heaven and who to hell?
Re: Former Mo | 5:14 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
It is your right to walk away from something that does not meet your life goals.
But, some of your comments are very interesting to analyze.
1- Feeling guilt for things you don't feel are sin
Does that mean they are not sin? Or, just that you don't want them to be?
2- Certain truths do not jive with what you want to believe about the world
What about what jives with eternity?
It very much sounds to me like the lifestyle you were asked to live did not "jive" with what you wanted. That is fine and all but does that alone establish untruth?
Please clarify what you meant by 8,000,000. Are you implying that there are that many people that were associated with the Church that have left? If so, please document you source.
You have every right to worship how, where or what you may. But, be careful to be honest with yourself and especially before you try to pursuade others as to your view.
But, some of your comments are very interesting to analyze.
1- Feeling guilt for things you don't feel are sin
Does that mean they are not sin? Or, just that you don't want them to be?
2- Certain truths do not jive with what you want to believe about the world
What about what jives with eternity?
It very much sounds to me like the lifestyle you were asked to live did not "jive" with what you wanted. That is fine and all but does that alone establish untruth?
Please clarify what you meant by 8,000,000. Are you implying that there are that many people that were associated with the Church that have left? If so, please document you source.
You have every right to worship how, where or what you may. But, be careful to be honest with yourself and especially before you try to pursuade others as to your view.
Al Thomas | 6:27 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
It is interesting that the Senate in Brazil just honored the L.D.S. Church for
their great Humanitarian efforts and their contribution to the family in Brazil.
Around the world the church is recognized not only for it's humanitarian
efforts but with the speed of their help in disasters. Some years ago The Church
called a special fast day for starving Ethiopia, $6,000,000 was raised in one
day to help these starving people. LDS supplies and volunteers are usually among
the first to respond to disasters in the U. S. because they are organized and
ready to go immediately. The church works hand in hand with Catholic Charities,
The Red Cross,etc; we do not have to stop and solicit funds as we are already
prepared for disasters, we are only 2% of the U.S. population.
It is rare for an unbiased accurate article to ever be printed in this, our native land.
It is rare for an unbiased accurate article to ever be printed in this, our native land.
stephen | 7:12 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Well, as I've gotten older I realize that we as a Mormon culture seem to
confuse the truthfulness of the gospel with the true church. Perhaps it is best
to utter the phrase this way, 'I know the gospel of Jesus Christ to be
true, and I'm grateful that the Church of Jesus Christ is the church
wherein one can find the fulness of the gospel. The church is not true, it is
an organization full of imperfect people, it is the gospel that instills upon us
to become more like Him whose name the church bears. Perhaps we offend those of
other faiths when we say our church is true...that would make their church
anything but true and surely not a first step to find common ground.
Robo | 7:49 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Stephen - I like your post. I have felt we as a church have done a relatively
poor job of presenting our message. I know there is inherent conflict in the
message that there is a living prophet on earth, but we seem to emphasize it
beyond what is required by including comments about others obviously being
wrong, etc. We need to emphasize that God loves ALL of his children and has
tried to accomplish His work throughout all ages. At times people have been
less willing to accept all that God has for them and so He has withheld portions
of His Gospel, but He has never given up on us and has repeatedly spoken to
prophets at various times through the ages. He has prepared the world again for
a living prophet through the efforts of many inspired people, such as Luther,
Tyndale, and the founding fathers, AND no one needs to believe us, but simply
humble themselves before God and ask Him what is true. The Gospel brings us
peace and joy in a world that otherwise is crazy and terrifying. We just want
to share that message with all.
A Pleasure | 7:49 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
This has been one of the best postings I've read so far on the subject of
differing religions. I am a non-mormon living in Utah and have been told many
times that if I didn't like the LDS religion pushed on me that I should
leave. This had alwas bewildered me because everywhere we lived we had neighbors
living near us that happened to be LDS. We had always enjoyed our relationship
with our LDS friends. It wasn't until we moved here (we felt that the
culture would be a good fit with our own standards) that we felt that being
non-mormon was something to be defensive about. We have been accepted by some
and ingnored by others. I have always had an open hand toward any of my
neighbors, even those that (literally) turned their back on me.
All this being said (sorry for boring you), I would be more than happy to offer an open hand in friendship to those that will accept me for who I am, a very religious non-mormon.
All this being said (sorry for boring you), I would be more than happy to offer an open hand in friendship to those that will accept me for who I am, a very religious non-mormon.
Jay | 7:54 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
As a non-mormon, I hope Mormons don't see this as just another proposal to
try and gain more converts. In order for Mormons and their neighbors to interact
more to dispel stereotypes, there needs to be more tolerance, often from both
sides. This emphatically includes NOT trying to convert non-believers whenever
there is good relations/communication with them. Tolerance is accepting people
for who they are, beliefs and all, not who you want them to be.
I have experienced some of both the best and the worst as far as Mormon individuals go. I hope that the best Mormonism has to offer can become the consistent face of the faith when they are interacting with those of other/no religions. As it stands currently, there seems to be little displeasure expressed within Mormonism against those members who give their church a bad rap as a whole. Hopefully these blogs can be a forum for the best members Mormonism has to offer to both decry intolerance within their own faith, and express their own tolerance.
I have experienced some of both the best and the worst as far as Mormon individuals go. I hope that the best Mormonism has to offer can become the consistent face of the faith when they are interacting with those of other/no religions. As it stands currently, there seems to be little displeasure expressed within Mormonism against those members who give their church a bad rap as a whole. Hopefully these blogs can be a forum for the best members Mormonism has to offer to both decry intolerance within their own faith, and express their own tolerance.
Malkie | 8:19 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Zarathustra (3:13 p.m. Dec. 16),
Shhhh! If all of the regular LDS members do follow Elder Ballard's advice, they are likely to run into people who know the LDS history and "points of discussion" much better than they (the regular members) do.
Do not discourage these ordinary members from the education that they may get in the process of exposing themselves to a different point of view of topics like Joseph Smith's polygyny and polyandry, the 2 men Joseph killed at Carthage jail, Adam-God, and so many others. They deserve exposure to a wider truth than church-correlated faithful history.
Shhhh! If all of the regular LDS members do follow Elder Ballard's advice, they are likely to run into people who know the LDS history and "points of discussion" much better than they (the regular members) do.
Do not discourage these ordinary members from the education that they may get in the process of exposing themselves to a different point of view of topics like Joseph Smith's polygyny and polyandry, the 2 men Joseph killed at Carthage jail, Adam-God, and so many others. They deserve exposure to a wider truth than church-correlated faithful history.
Friend Of A Mormon | 9:06 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
I am not Mormon but here is my take on things: I am fascinated by different
religions/beliefs. I have no problem with anyone believing things that are
different from what I was raised to believe. Being that I have a very dear
friend who is Mormon, it makes me want to understand his belief system better.
When I have asked questions to learn more, he sometimes takes offense and clams
up rather than answering my question. It seems that he has been taught to be
secretive about the LDS faith. With that, it causes alot of doubt and
skepticism regarding the LDS faith. If being LDS, Protestant, Catholic, etc is
a good thing in which you personally believe, shouldn't you share it? It
seems like anything else in life... if it's kept secret and not openly
discussed, it probably is a bad thing. I hope that Elder Ballad's advice
helps LDS members and all faiths to open up about their faith in God! If it
cannot be spoken aloud it will be interpreted as negative. The scripture says
spread the word, not hide it!
Clark Roger | 9:37 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
To Malkie - Would you please tell me the names of the two men Joseph Smith
killed at Carthage Jail? Also, what website did you find this on? After all,
some websites say it was three, while others say it was four. (Give you a hint -
Yes, two men were killed at Carthage - their names were Joseph and Hyrum Smith)
The comments of some LDS Church critics remind me of the line in the Princess Bride when Prince Humperdink says to Buttercup, "Your Wesley is dead. I killed him myself."
To which Buttercup replies, "Then why is there fear in your eyes?"
Clearly, LDS Church critics believe they have a monopoly on Internet information. But if this is the case, why are they attacking Ballard's comments? Could it be that LDS Church members and investigators will begin to find a balance of information on the web?
Perhaps the anti-LDS websites which are flooded with cuss words, inflammatory comments, and half-truths will slowly begin to lose their audience?
As for those who are saying, "The LDS Church is false, because the Internet says so." The Internet also says the holocaust never happened. Do you believe that as well?
The comments of some LDS Church critics remind me of the line in the Princess Bride when Prince Humperdink says to Buttercup, "Your Wesley is dead. I killed him myself."
To which Buttercup replies, "Then why is there fear in your eyes?"
Clearly, LDS Church critics believe they have a monopoly on Internet information. But if this is the case, why are they attacking Ballard's comments? Could it be that LDS Church members and investigators will begin to find a balance of information on the web?
Perhaps the anti-LDS websites which are flooded with cuss words, inflammatory comments, and half-truths will slowly begin to lose their audience?
As for those who are saying, "The LDS Church is false, because the Internet says so." The Internet also says the holocaust never happened. Do you believe that as well?
Ogden Guy | 11:10 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
It's funny because I've had several conversations over the internet
with people about my faith (I am a "mormon") and I don't EVER get
any respect. I get written off as a naive uneducated fool before I can even
explain what I feel and why I feel that way. THEN on top of that, I get all the
copy-paste from anti-mormon web sites. It's amazing how much time other
people who claim to be on God's errand spend trying to discredit other
people's faith. Can't you be happy verifying your own faith through
prayer, thoughtful study, and humility? It's funny how details about the
origins of the church I belong to are any different than the origins of the
catholic or protestant faiths... The papacy itself through the middle ages can
lead one to questions for example. Hopefully with more people being concious of
this the more even-keeled members will get out and represent. Good luck
everyone!
Matt in Utah | 11:35 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
What a great talk. I think first before us Mormons can share the gospel, we
need to know it better. I'm often embarrassed that we don't know some
basic doctrines that set us apart. We need to know what and why we believe. We
need to know how to articulate these beliefs in a friendly manner. Read the
church publication: "Church HIstory in the Fulness of Times," for a
nut-shell but adequate account of church history. As far as sharing the
gospel, get the knowledge first and the spirit will guide you in what to say.
You must have a reservoir of knowledge first before the spirit is able to draw
from it.
Ulusan | 11:47 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
As a convert who spent years trying to deny the testimony of my Mormon friends,
I decided that if God wanted me to know what was truth, I would ask him like the
bible says. I did and have spent my life trying to live the Gospel as I had
been taught. Most of my family and dearest friends and neighbors are not LDS,
but I still love them and try to be a good example by living correct principles.
There are people everywhere who have and will test whether I really believe
what I do, and that's fine because it gives me a chance to teach the
Gospel. But like Elder Ballard said, be prepared and stay close to the spirit,
not relying on your knowledge alone. I'm not perfect, but know what I need
to do to live close to how Christ taught. Love your neighbor as yourself, the
2nd greatest commandment, no matter what they believe. Never contend - that is
Satan's way. Remember, we don't convert people, we teach people.
Conversion is and should be a spiritual experience between an individual and the
Spirit. Thanks to Dave from the East and Stephen for your thoughts.
the janitor | 11:54 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
my dear fellow bloggers, if your blood begins to boil as you read the different
opinions from today, realize that you have fallen into the trap that so many
have fallen into since the times of the very very ancients, the very trap of
darkness that has caused the misery of millions upon millions, the darkness and
misery of intolerance, prejudice, cultural vanity, intellectual vanity, pride,
self rightousness of people of all faiths. There is one truth i will share, that
is my dear friends of all faiths and beliefs, NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO FEEL AND
THINK THE SAME WAY YOU DO! Given this, learn to live with it. Yes some
individuals will join the LDS church, and live with integrity to every law our
God has given us, Some people will not join the LDS church and live with
integrity to every law our God has given us, some people can care less about
God. Bottom line, DO NOT FALL INTO THE TRAP MENTIONED ABOVE, We all have the
responsibility of keeping JESUS CHRISTS teachings in our lives in order to keep
our freedom and not be chained to stupidity and oppression. Now go do good.
"the janitors" comments | 1:13 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
By your comments it's obvious how you really feel about other religions or
beliefs that are not that of the LDS followings. While you preach equality and
are attempting to "do good", you really are insulting a lot of people.
You state that everybody that does not join your church, "will not have
integrity" and are "oppressed and stupid". Sounds to me that you
have fallen into a trap of your own.
not Steve Benson | 3:58 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
As a former EXMORMON I am glad for those who were willing to debate me online. Eventually, I quit fighting the truth and gave up looking for the worse possible scenario in ambiguous statements said hundreds of years ago. I have been so happy to spend my life doing good in the LDS faith instead of the disaster of a life I was leading as an avid EXMORMON. Thanks to those who were willing to defend the church online to an apostate.
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