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Stephen Green | 5:19 p.m. Dec. 8, 2007
I concur that Gov. Romney's speach was impressive and well thought-out, and
I agree with the views he presented. However, I must also agree he aimed his
speech to too exclusive an audience, (the Evangelicals) and should have
mentioned, even if only briefly, those without religious beliefs. If his message
is to transcend the primaries into the general elction campaign, he will have to
do so.
Having said this, I make the following point to those who would insist on raising a religious litmus test(however unconstitutional it may be) to measure the candidacy of any candidate; while they may find it convenient to do so now while they in many ways enjoy control over many facets of the republican primary election process, the widespread use of such a test may in the long term come back to haunt them, with respect to many in the party or in the country who are appalled by the arrogance of such a litmus test. It can mean failure to win a general election, or even the loss of influence in the party they seek to direct, in the long term, as the shortsightedness of such a strategy becomes apparent.
Having said this, I make the following point to those who would insist on raising a religious litmus test(however unconstitutional it may be) to measure the candidacy of any candidate; while they may find it convenient to do so now while they in many ways enjoy control over many facets of the republican primary election process, the widespread use of such a test may in the long term come back to haunt them, with respect to many in the party or in the country who are appalled by the arrogance of such a litmus test. It can mean failure to win a general election, or even the loss of influence in the party they seek to direct, in the long term, as the shortsightedness of such a strategy becomes apparent.
kwt | 5:34 p.m. Dec. 8, 2007
Isn't it amazing how I have heard little, if anything asked from the other
candidates.(of EITHER Party) about their religous beliefs, and why has Romney
continual been hounded with questions about things that are very personal to
him. It is time to have it stop, or be fair and asked the same of the other
candidates. I personally found his speech to be very impressive and thought
provoking as well as inspiring. Especially the last story about how all the
people in the group prayed together. Even though they were of different
religions. That is how we as Americans should be. We can be different from
each other, but we must be respectful of each other too. I personnally want a
person for president that has the values that Mitt Romney has. What a beautiful
thing to have his family with him. And to think he has had a strong family from
the beginning. Now that is something we need to look at and respect. I respect
Mitt Romney for the fine person that he is.
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Gerald | 11:58 p.m. Dec. 9, 2007
To the contrary, Mitt Romney is a dishonest person, who has flipped his position
so many times it's hard to really know what he believes.
We, as LDS, should not be fooled so easily. This speech was given to woo Evangelicals (who consider Mormonism a CULT), not to show dedication to his faith.
We need to admit this, and realize we need not support such an ethically challenged, and dishonest candidate, simply because he is LDS. There will be better representatives of our faith in the future, and there are better candidate choices for President right now in the present.
This blindness (and my what a cherry-picked collection of blog, radio, and editorial reaction to the speech) is a disservice to our faith and our state and our country.
We, as LDS, should not be fooled so easily. This speech was given to woo Evangelicals (who consider Mormonism a CULT), not to show dedication to his faith.
We need to admit this, and realize we need not support such an ethically challenged, and dishonest candidate, simply because he is LDS. There will be better representatives of our faith in the future, and there are better candidate choices for President right now in the present.
This blindness (and my what a cherry-picked collection of blog, radio, and editorial reaction to the speech) is a disservice to our faith and our state and our country.
Wow | 12:28 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Gerald, get a grip. Mormons like him for the most part. Just because you
don't believe his ideals, does not mean everyone else is wrong for liking
him. You are the guy who has to dislike him because he is mormon, thinking that
you can't vote for your own religion because it seems bias. Looks like you
are the bias one.
onemorevote | 12:43 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
I was unsure of Romney before his speech. I just couldn't find anything
there to disagree with. Even at our childs grade school we no longer have a
Christmas program, it is now a holiday program. The pendulam has swung too far.
If nominated Romney can count on the two votes we have in our family.
Riley | 2:43 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Look at Harry Reid. Do all mormons love him just because he is mormon?
I think most mormons favor Romney because they have the same political views as he has.
I dont think Harry Reid would every win Utah if he ran for president.
It's all very intersting how religion effects politics, I find this race very interesting
I think most mormons favor Romney because they have the same political views as he has.
I dont think Harry Reid would every win Utah if he ran for president.
It's all very intersting how religion effects politics, I find this race very interesting
Riley | 2:46 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
but i do agree this article is kinda cherry picking, but it does show who it is
from, and it is pretty varied.
Marcus | 3:01 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Romney's unwillingness to take a stand against torture has broken my
heart.
I am extremely saddened that not even a fellow LDS candidate can stand for such a basic of all Christian beliefs. If we have come to this, then we are truly staring down the abyss. I really, really wish he could be the man that could bring back the moral standing that America should uphold. I wish, but he clearly isn't.
Perhaps if faced with the anguished cries of those tortured and mutilated, he would choose what's right? At least, that's what I hope. But my hopes are steadily vanishing.
I am extremely saddened that not even a fellow LDS candidate can stand for such a basic of all Christian beliefs. If we have come to this, then we are truly staring down the abyss. I really, really wish he could be the man that could bring back the moral standing that America should uphold. I wish, but he clearly isn't.
Perhaps if faced with the anguished cries of those tortured and mutilated, he would choose what's right? At least, that's what I hope. But my hopes are steadily vanishing.
Bob | 3:52 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Wow, I wonder about the reason Mormons like him. It almost worries me. Are LDS
people more likely to vote for him because he is LDS? Isn't that just
endorsing a religious test, but in the opposite of how we think about it?
Romney's campaign should be defined by the type of candidate he is, not his
religion. Besides, religion is not Mitt's biggest issue. I worry about
his electability against the Democratic nominee if he were to gain the
Republican nomination. That said, I might vote for Romney, but despite his
being LDS, not because of it.
Not fair | 4:39 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
I would LOVE to see Hilary defending her "religion." Mitt lives his
religion every day. The majority of the other candidates profess belief, but
don't actually walk the walk....
I think it's silly he had to give that speech at all, but if he had to, he did it well.
I think it's silly he had to give that speech at all, but if he had to, he did it well.
Mike | 4:49 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
What an inspiring speech. I came away saying "amen". Some have
maligned him for his lack of support for those of no faith. I think just the
opposite. I saw a love and tolerance for all faiths, whether in God or whatever
someone chose to have faith in. Mitt's beliefs have caused me serious
reflection and I stand by his side in saying we are all of the United States of
America. We are all of differing faiths. We should all stand united in the cause
of our country and in freedom. He does so through his religion, I do so through
mine and those without a faith do so through their own beliefs. Together we
stand strong. Together our families are protected and together we stand as a
beacon to the world of what freedom is and should be. We are the United States
of America and Mitt Romney showed he is a good candidate to carry that message
forward as President of our great country. Let us remember who we are as a
country and support the candidate that will best protect and preserve that
identity.
Ernest Hemple | 4:57 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
For the first time since Ronald Reagan we have a presidential candidate that can
communicate. We need Mitt Romney's leadership. The world's a mess and
we can ill afford any of the other impostors who are seeking this high office.
This is a time to join together and elect a president who will lead with
honesty, morality, and competency. I intend to vote for Romney.
Georgia Conservative | 5:35 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
They say Christmas in Georgia! It was a beautiful speech about the greatness of
America. Our nation was founded under God and the majority of Americans feel
this way--regardless of their religion. Let's not forget and shy away from
what makes America great.
jane Wadsworth | 5:54 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Romney is the Right man, has the RIGHT experience, and the Right plan, is ready
to make a change and clean HOUSE-- the Saints are for him! YEA MITT!
Lowell Steele | 6:15 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Gerald--I couldn't disagree more. I'm still watching and waiting to
pick a candidate, but I really liked Romney's speech. He spoke with
conviction (word is HE and not his writers penned the speech, and it showed), he
nailed several issues that he needed to, and addressed a couple he wasn't
expected to and did it well. My gut reaction after the speech was that he did
far better than anyone expected, and that this may be the turning point in his
campaign. Time will tell, but the fact remains that since Thursday, every news
outlet in the country has been talking, not once, but repeated times, about
Romney's speech. I don't care how much money the man has in his
campaign chest--you can't buy that kind of publicity. Now, not all of it
has been positive, but as my politically astute mother noted repeatedly during
my father's political career--there's no such thing as "bad"
publicity in politics.
Caseysee | 6:33 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
A Flip Flopper is one who flips from one side and then flops back. Governor
Romney flipped from one view to another, but hasn't flopped back. Instead
he claims that he was wrong about some ideas and now has a better understanding
then at first. The mark of a great leader is one who learns and admits from his
mistakes.
Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat, but then flipped to the Republican side. Some called him a flip flopper as well, but he only flipped sides once also.
The true flip flopper was President Clinton, who espoused liberal ideals, but some how implemented a more centralist and even conservative fiscal policy without the liberals raising a big fuss and still the conservatives screamed for his head. Hence one of the reasons for his nick names, "Teflon Bill" or "Slick Willie". (Don't take me wrong, he also had a very liberal social agenda, but he didn't push for its funding that hard, because he knew his conservative funding policy couldn't actually pay for it. Still it endeared him to the Democrats appeased the independents.)
Only if Gov. Romney flops back during the generals would he be a flip flopper.
Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat, but then flipped to the Republican side. Some called him a flip flopper as well, but he only flipped sides once also.
The true flip flopper was President Clinton, who espoused liberal ideals, but some how implemented a more centralist and even conservative fiscal policy without the liberals raising a big fuss and still the conservatives screamed for his head. Hence one of the reasons for his nick names, "Teflon Bill" or "Slick Willie". (Don't take me wrong, he also had a very liberal social agenda, but he didn't push for its funding that hard, because he knew his conservative funding policy couldn't actually pay for it. Still it endeared him to the Democrats appeased the independents.)
Only if Gov. Romney flops back during the generals would he be a flip flopper.
IL Cougar | 7:19 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Everyone knows that it is best to flip just one time. This allows the pancake
to cook evenly on both sides. If you flip and then flop, the side that got
flopped doesn't get enough cooking time and generally leads to another
premature flip.
elisabeth | 7:51 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Intersetingly, LDS member and us senate majority (Democrat)leader Harry Reid
does not need to wear his religion on his sleave. He is valued and appreciated
because he walks his talk. Contrastly, republican Mitt Romney has stated that
he will use a religion as a litmus test for cabinet members. He states that
because Muslims are a minority, they don't deserve a voice in that
capacity. If you evaluate his speech, you will see that he seeks to undermine
the separation of the church and state that was so critical in establishing our
free country. I think Mr. Romney is undoubtedly a good person, but he is
willing to use his religion as a political tool in a way that sacrifices the
freedom of other people to practice theirs. In this way, he is suceptible to
corruption, like Kyle Sampson of BYU was in the AG scandal last year. They
start to believe that they are above the law of this country because they are
divinely backed.
Non-believer | 8:00 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
One thing about LDS. They are incapable of being realistic. They have to
follow the party line. (LDS line) Romney was impressive. However the truth of
the matter is that he has flipped all over the place. He is LDS but most
importantly he is a POLITICIAN. He is just like Orrin Hatch who stands for
nothing and does nothing. Bob Bennett just does nothing. They are all the
same. Politician are all the same. It is the nature of the beast.
Hey non-believer... | 8:36 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
While you're throwing out the names of politicians that stand for nothing
you might as throw in Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and just about every other
politician in Washington DC. Neither party has a monopoly in this area you
know.
I like Romney not because he is LDS but because he, unlike most of the career politicians running in both parties, understands business, economics, and how to run an organization in an efficient and responsible manner. Romney spent the bulk of his career in the private sector learning how to manage money and be fiscally responsible.
Our country is on the path to bankruptcy and insolvency due to irresponsible spending from both the Bush Administration and our Congress. Both Democratics candidates are career politicians with little to no practical real world experience. They want to expand the federal government with a myriad of social and entitlement programs. To fund such programs, taxes in this country would likely skyrocket. No thanks. Give me someone that actually is fiscally responsible and has real world experienc in both the private and public sectors.
I like Romney not because he is LDS but because he, unlike most of the career politicians running in both parties, understands business, economics, and how to run an organization in an efficient and responsible manner. Romney spent the bulk of his career in the private sector learning how to manage money and be fiscally responsible.
Our country is on the path to bankruptcy and insolvency due to irresponsible spending from both the Bush Administration and our Congress. Both Democratics candidates are career politicians with little to no practical real world experience. They want to expand the federal government with a myriad of social and entitlement programs. To fund such programs, taxes in this country would likely skyrocket. No thanks. Give me someone that actually is fiscally responsible and has real world experienc in both the private and public sectors.
diligentdave | 8:37 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
'Non-believer' - "One thing about LDS. They are incapable of
being realistic."
REALLY? While I don't totally disagree with you about Hatch and Bennett or even 'politicians' in general, one cannot get or stay in politics without trying to appear at least not distasteful to enough special interests.
But, Romney did an excellent job on the speech.
While the comments the DesNews picked were largely laudatory, I have read comments of all sorts on the internet, and have found that everyone heard a different speech according to their own preconceived notions.
Not knowing for certain what 'Non-believer' finds about LDS being "incapable of being realistic", I can only suppose that he/she feels that he/she is realistic. 'Non-believer', what are YOU 'realistic' about?
REALLY? While I don't totally disagree with you about Hatch and Bennett or even 'politicians' in general, one cannot get or stay in politics without trying to appear at least not distasteful to enough special interests.
But, Romney did an excellent job on the speech.
While the comments the DesNews picked were largely laudatory, I have read comments of all sorts on the internet, and have found that everyone heard a different speech according to their own preconceived notions.
Not knowing for certain what 'Non-believer' finds about LDS being "incapable of being realistic", I can only suppose that he/she feels that he/she is realistic. 'Non-believer', what are YOU 'realistic' about?
Glenn | 8:40 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
I was inspired by the speech. I don't get inspired by many speeches.
Reagan was inspiring, Blair was inspiring post 911, and Mitt was inspiring in
this speech.
I want a president who will lead in what is right. He definitely showed that here.
I want a president who will lead in what is right. He definitely showed that here.
c. Weber | 8:48 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
I'm a Romney fan, have been ever since he announced his run for
President.
But, I do not like his stand on Immigration. Sounds as if he wants to send all illegals home. This after quoting the Lord, take in the sick, feed the hungry, clothe the poor. Then in the same speech saying, the POOR, HUNGRY, SICK, should all be deported. I'm counfused Mitt.
Which doctrine do you truly believe? Feed the hungry, or send them packing?
Clothe the naked, or deport them?
Take in the sick, or put 'em on the first plane outta Dodge?
Please Mitt, stand up, be Christian, there is moderation on this issue. There are case by case situations that need to be considered.
I want to vote for you, but on this issue, we are truly at odds.
But, I do not like his stand on Immigration. Sounds as if he wants to send all illegals home. This after quoting the Lord, take in the sick, feed the hungry, clothe the poor. Then in the same speech saying, the POOR, HUNGRY, SICK, should all be deported. I'm counfused Mitt.
Which doctrine do you truly believe? Feed the hungry, or send them packing?
Clothe the naked, or deport them?
Take in the sick, or put 'em on the first plane outta Dodge?
Please Mitt, stand up, be Christian, there is moderation on this issue. There are case by case situations that need to be considered.
I want to vote for you, but on this issue, we are truly at odds.
No Vote | 9:09 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Great speech, but didn't win my vote. He'll carry Utah anyway.
Why are Mormons Republicans? | 9:19 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
It appears that Romney's defeat will begin in Iowa, with a population that
will reject him exclusively because he is Mormon. Indeed, the evangelical
Christian base of the Republican party is so strong that it appears to have the
power to block-vote a Mormon candidate -- no matter how qualified -- into
oblivion. (Of course, once they succeed in putting the Mormon candidate in his
place, they will nevertheless expect Mormon Utah and Mormon Idaho to blindly
support the Republican Party, i.e., the very Party that refuses to consider a
Mormon candidate.)
Which leads me to this question . . .
Why are Mormons so overwhelmingly committed to a party that consists of members who display bigotry of the worst possible kind? Why support a party that excludes members of your faith from positions of leadership? I think that an appropriate response to the vicious attacks of the far-evangelical right is to move en masse to the Democratic Party, a Party who will not let such politically incidental matters as religion foreclose opportunities to serve.
Which leads me to this question . . .
Why are Mormons so overwhelmingly committed to a party that consists of members who display bigotry of the worst possible kind? Why support a party that excludes members of your faith from positions of leadership? I think that an appropriate response to the vicious attacks of the far-evangelical right is to move en masse to the Democratic Party, a Party who will not let such politically incidental matters as religion foreclose opportunities to serve.
GA Man | 9:24 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Great speech. I think he would make a good VP for President Ron Paul!
Anonymous | 9:27 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Hillary defending her "religion" (methodist)! Give me a break.
Methodism is kind of like defending the Rotary or Lions' clubs!
Christopher Jones
uteowl | 9:31 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Some have accused Romney of saying that Muslims WON'T be included in his
cabinet because they don't represent a large enough block of the
population. Having read his comments what I understood him to say was that their
population size didn't justify an AUTOMATIC or entitled cabinet position
for a Muslim. If anything it should raise concerns over whether or not he will
have some sort of quota system for minorities on his cabinet. I don't
believe it will, but THAT specter was implied.
Wabu | 9:35 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Romney spoke to one group: Evangelicals. And here's how his speech can be
summed up: "I'm a religious fanatic just like you are!"
whatever | 9:45 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Gerald a Mormon, what ever.
Why Mormons vote Repblican | 9:46 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
The majority of active LDS members vote conservative (a/k/a Republican) because
they don't believe in "victim" statuts as do most of the factions
in the Democrate Party which consistently promises to help the "opressed
minorities" in exchange for their support/votes, but never delivers. Why
should LDS members jump ship merely because there are those within the
Republican Party who are single issue voters who may not vote for a candidate
simply because he/she is not 110% for their issue? Besides, the Dems have their
single issue voters as well (e.g., ACLU supporters, enviornmentalist wackos,
mititant gays and femi-nazis). Nothing those factions believe are consistent
with what most active LDS members believe or how they choose to live.
That's why we have a two-party system, so like minded people can gather
with others who have similar values and beliefs.
Marilyn | 9:50 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
The Mitt Romney speech was truely inspired. He wrote it himself. He speaks
well, can communicate well. Flip Flop??? I haven't heard him Flop. He has
learned more and that speaks well of a Canidate for President. When they take
office, they all learn something everyday, even as President of the USA, they
learn everyday.
Mitt is a good man, true to his convictions, and that makes a good President! He speech was wonderful and I am voting for Mitt for it truely convensed me he is well qualified knowing Economics to run our Country honestly which we need!
Mitt is a good man, true to his convictions, and that makes a good President! He speech was wonderful and I am voting for Mitt for it truely convensed me he is well qualified knowing Economics to run our Country honestly which we need!
DLH | 9:52 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
I'm not an atheist but, really, I don't want anyone in the White House
making important decisions based on prayer or biblical teachings.
Janet | 10:03 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
How sad that the very thing that seems to divide our great nation is the very
thing that united us in the beginning.
Quick to Forget | 10:18 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
How quickly we forget the most recent Gubinatorial race in Utah. Huntsman v
Matheson. Both LDS and yet presented different political views. Huntsman won
because he appealed to the more conservative voters, which are the majority in
Utah. It was not a religious issue, but a political issue.
Ironically, Huntsman has become moderate to liberal in his policies. He has signed a global warming pledge, worked with the UEA and given them just about everything they want, and has not radically changed the income tax like he promised to conservative voters. Would there really a difference between Huntsman and Matheson? It doesn't appear like there is at this point.
Would there be a difference between Huckabee and Romeny?
Ironically, Huntsman has become moderate to liberal in his policies. He has signed a global warming pledge, worked with the UEA and given them just about everything they want, and has not radically changed the income tax like he promised to conservative voters. Would there really a difference between Huntsman and Matheson? It doesn't appear like there is at this point.
Would there be a difference between Huckabee and Romeny?
Just a thought | 10:34 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
I'm surprised to hear DLH say that s/he doesn't want anyone in the
White House making important decisions based on prayer or Biblical teachings.
Does that mean you would prefer that the person who leads this "Nation
under God" do it without the help of this same Higher Power?
I remember running into Mitt Romney and his wife the summer before the Olympics. And do you know where? These multi-millionaires were at the dollar theaters in Sugarhouse. He earned my respect at that time, a time when the world wasn't watching his every move.
I remember running into Mitt Romney and his wife the summer before the Olympics. And do you know where? These multi-millionaires were at the dollar theaters in Sugarhouse. He earned my respect at that time, a time when the world wasn't watching his every move.
Here's An Idea | 10:35 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
The comments above from "Why Are Mormons Republicans?" asks some good
questions:
"Why are Mormons so overwhelmingly committed to a party that consists (primarily?) of members who display bigotry of the worst possible kind?"
"Why support a party that excludes members of your faith from positions of leadership?"
I have grown very frustrated with the Republican party as they have moved further and further to the left and further and further away from Constitutional principles. This time around I will really anger the Republican party by casting my vote for Dr. Ron Paul. He is the ONLY candidate in either party that truly believes in the Constitution of the United States and has a track record that says so!
"Why are Mormons so overwhelmingly committed to a party that consists (primarily?) of members who display bigotry of the worst possible kind?"
"Why support a party that excludes members of your faith from positions of leadership?"
I have grown very frustrated with the Republican party as they have moved further and further to the left and further and further away from Constitutional principles. This time around I will really anger the Republican party by casting my vote for Dr. Ron Paul. He is the ONLY candidate in either party that truly believes in the Constitution of the United States and has a track record that says so!
Bill | 10:45 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
It was a moving and beautifully delivered speech. It is just a pity that such a
speech needs to be delivered in this day and time and in a country that
celibrates religious freedom. It's also a pity that 'Christians'
who are so rabid about Mormonism are what precipitated the need for this speech.
Will Huckabee talk about the peculiar tenants of the Baptist faith? Will Dodd or Biden address the ongoing problems and controversies of the Catholic faith?
Speaking of Huckabee; I would love it if an interviewer would ask him if Mormons are Christians (in his opinion) and really make him answer. That would offer volumns about him and the subtle way he is using this issue in Iowa.
Will Huckabee talk about the peculiar tenants of the Baptist faith? Will Dodd or Biden address the ongoing problems and controversies of the Catholic faith?
Speaking of Huckabee; I would love it if an interviewer would ask him if Mormons are Christians (in his opinion) and really make him answer. That would offer volumns about him and the subtle way he is using this issue in Iowa.
Rah-Rah-Romney | 10:45 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Hey, the decision for Mitt Romney to take the hot seat on this speech he was
invited to give was the BEST THING that could have happened and in the whole
scheme of things backfired on those who thought he would flinch. WRONG! Instead,
he stood UP and bore an unsolicited testimony of Christ and at the same time
with such honesty that even some political critics praised him. Read them! That
speech will not be soon forgotten. I watched Glenn Beck interview Mitt on CNN
and THAT was such a great half hour and the speech was not even discussed--
prefaced by Beck that he would not go there until Mr Reid and Hatch were asked
to do the same. I believe the TV discussion could seal any doubt of what Romney
is about and played into the political arena with out the Democrats realizing
what they did by asking for it. There needs be opposition in all things and I
know whose on the Lord's side WHO!! The speech was an incredible THESIS at
best and worthy of historical milestone. A STANDING OVATION for all the good
can come of it. AMEN!
Alas | 10:51 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Alas, where is the place for Mormons in politics? Ultra conservaties think
we're a cult; ultra libs hate us for our "illogic" and
intolerance unique lifestyles. Should we be so married to the abortion issue
that we allow ourselves to be kicked by those with whom we align? Or should we
be more moderate and make new waves? Who knows?
focusing on real issues... | 10:56 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
i, like romney, am a member of the LDS church. and yes, guilty, i live in
utah.
I suppose i'm just a little tired of the media squaking about Romney's religion being a liability. i don't see huckabee getting any flak for HIS religion. nor did he have to give a speech. the media is scared of romney because he's the real deal. they see he's a man of true convictions, and that runs against everything the media promotes and stands for. oh and dare i say it...because some americans are prejudiced against mormons. instead lets focus on why romney is the most suited canidate to run the country.
for those who are at odds with romney quoting the bible about service and mercy to others coupled with his near-zero tolerance stance on illegal immigration, let me quench your confusion.
first let's agree that illegal immigration is ILLEGAL immigration. is romney a hypocrite for standing up for our nations laws and our economy's welfare? second, in order to find a solution, we need a leader who will take a strong stance against the problem, not someone who seeks to appease both sides.
I suppose i'm just a little tired of the media squaking about Romney's religion being a liability. i don't see huckabee getting any flak for HIS religion. nor did he have to give a speech. the media is scared of romney because he's the real deal. they see he's a man of true convictions, and that runs against everything the media promotes and stands for. oh and dare i say it...because some americans are prejudiced against mormons. instead lets focus on why romney is the most suited canidate to run the country.
for those who are at odds with romney quoting the bible about service and mercy to others coupled with his near-zero tolerance stance on illegal immigration, let me quench your confusion.
first let's agree that illegal immigration is ILLEGAL immigration. is romney a hypocrite for standing up for our nations laws and our economy's welfare? second, in order to find a solution, we need a leader who will take a strong stance against the problem, not someone who seeks to appease both sides.
Mo-Town | 11:06 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
There we go again. For every Romney piece, there's atleast one Ron Paul
supporter who comes out of the woodwork with a hint that Pauls a solution. Ron
Paul, other than Democratic Alaksa Governor Mike Gravel, is thee most liberal
candidate (either party) when it comes to the War on Teror
In today's world, you think any Conservative in their right mind would elect that anti-war nut. Extremeists all over the world are working on obtaining nukes as we speak
America needs to decide: Romney, Huckabee, Guiliani, Thompson, all formidable candidates. Paul, rather, is an absolute loon that was recently invited on the Bill Maher show. Let's just say it was scary how much those 2 agreed
In today's world, you think any Conservative in their right mind would elect that anti-war nut. Extremeists all over the world are working on obtaining nukes as we speak
America needs to decide: Romney, Huckabee, Guiliani, Thompson, all formidable candidates. Paul, rather, is an absolute loon that was recently invited on the Bill Maher show. Let's just say it was scary how much those 2 agreed
From Europe | 11:10 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
I know this is a Utah newspaper ... but many, if not most, of you seem to imply
that LDS are Republicans.
Just for the record: Mormons in the middle states of America are Republicans, and I have yet to find a LDS Republican from any other part of the world than the US.
As a matter of fact, in Britain where I reside at the moment, you wouldn't find a LDS Republican no matter how hard you try.
No offense, I just thought it might be good to think about.
Regards, Marcus
Just for the record: Mormons in the middle states of America are Republicans, and I have yet to find a LDS Republican from any other part of the world than the US.
As a matter of fact, in Britain where I reside at the moment, you wouldn't find a LDS Republican no matter how hard you try.
No offense, I just thought it might be good to think about.
Regards, Marcus
M Margolies | 11:42 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Regarding From Europe, The generalization about LDS Republicans is in regard to
this election and America. There is no such thing as a Republican Party outside
the USA that has the same platform. Even as such not all LDS members are
Republican and we do not vote in blocks.
For example the only reason Reid gets elected in Nevada is because of the many Liberal Californians who have taken over the state trying to get away from the mess they made in CA, only to recreate it in Nevada. Reid may be LDS but he is far from the views and hearts of most LDS people, even in Nevada. But Democrats in that state do vote for him, even LDS ones.
PS I know Harry Reid, he was in my Grandfathers Scout Troop as a kid and I still would not vote for him even if I still lived in Nevada (Currently live in Georgia).
For example the only reason Reid gets elected in Nevada is because of the many Liberal Californians who have taken over the state trying to get away from the mess they made in CA, only to recreate it in Nevada. Reid may be LDS but he is far from the views and hearts of most LDS people, even in Nevada. But Democrats in that state do vote for him, even LDS ones.
PS I know Harry Reid, he was in my Grandfathers Scout Troop as a kid and I still would not vote for him even if I still lived in Nevada (Currently live in Georgia).
ladyblueyes | 11:53 a.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Although I have given up on Republican and Democratic parties and joined the
Constitution Party (American Independent), I found Mitt's speech
enlightening. In fact, I'm almost tempted to return to the Republican
party.
I agree with the Illegal Immigration - they are here ILLEGALLY, no matter how desperate their reason for being here. My husband came LEGALLY with his family from Costa Rica; my sister-in-law's husband was deported back to Mexico and it took him almost 2 years to come back LEGALLY, but he's here now, LEGALLY. He has to pay fees for the almost 9 years he was here illegally. The system works, it CAN work - but there are so many who are here illegally (I'm in Southern California - it's rampant) and on our welfare system because they can't get work because they don't have a green card (how in the heck are they on our WELFARE system????)
We need Mitt or anyone in there who will address this!
I agree with the Illegal Immigration - they are here ILLEGALLY, no matter how desperate their reason for being here. My husband came LEGALLY with his family from Costa Rica; my sister-in-law's husband was deported back to Mexico and it took him almost 2 years to come back LEGALLY, but he's here now, LEGALLY. He has to pay fees for the almost 9 years he was here illegally. The system works, it CAN work - but there are so many who are here illegally (I'm in Southern California - it's rampant) and on our welfare system because they can't get work because they don't have a green card (how in the heck are they on our WELFARE system????)
We need Mitt or anyone in there who will address this!
Jonathan | 12:15 p.m. Dec. 10, 2007
From what I've heard and read about the speech, it seemed good, especially
when you consider he wrote it himself. I'm impressed and I hope this
finally gets the "Mormon question" answered once and for all, so we
can move on. So we can talk about Mitt the candidate, not Mitt the Mormon.
For example, I support McCain and will continue to do so because I feel he's a strong leader, takes on tough issues and does not duck them, has the experience to get things done, and is the most electable general election Republican candidate in the field (check the latest polls). I think Mitt is too slick and does not have enough Washington experience or clout to get difficult things done. My wife disagrees. But at least we are talking about politics and issues, not a bias relegated to one candidate. I just hope this will lead to voters voting for politics, not religion.
Amen, From Europe, religion and it's belifs are something that transcends politics. Or at least it should. A good history lesson should remind Utah that they were a VERY Democratic state 35-50 years ago. Political parties change, faith does not.
For example, I support McCain and will continue to do so because I feel he's a strong leader, takes on tough issues and does not duck them, has the experience to get things done, and is the most electable general election Republican candidate in the field (check the latest polls). I think Mitt is too slick and does not have enough Washington experience or clout to get difficult things done. My wife disagrees. But at least we are talking about politics and issues, not a bias relegated to one candidate. I just hope this will lead to voters voting for politics, not religion.
Amen, From Europe, religion and it's belifs are something that transcends politics. Or at least it should. A good history lesson should remind Utah that they were a VERY Democratic state 35-50 years ago. Political parties change, faith does not.
To Mo-Town | 12:22 p.m. Dec. 10, 2007
You make some wild accusations with no supporting evidence. For anyone that
wants to know what Dr. Ron Paul actually stands for without listening to the
non-sense (or is it out right lies?) of people like Mo-Town then go to
www.wikipedia.com and do a search for Ron Paul. Read what his real positions
are, not what is being said by those that want to distort and misrepresent his
positions. He has a track record in the House of Representatives of over 17
years that shows where he stands. He is absolutely the strongest supporter of
the US Constitution this country currently has in the government. Don't
believe it then just go read for yourself.
If you are tired of the lies and distortions from political candidates (and some of their supporters)who will say anything to get elected and then immediately forget who they work for then cast your vote for true freedom. If you love and want to preserve the Constitution then Dr. Ron Paul is your only choice.
If you are tired of the lies and distortions from political candidates (and some of their supporters)who will say anything to get elected and then immediately forget who they work for then cast your vote for true freedom. If you love and want to preserve the Constitution then Dr. Ron Paul is your only choice.
Big Rock | 12:27 p.m. Dec. 10, 2007
Too bad it's a little too little too late. He's a sinking ship.
Geraldine | 12:31 p.m. Dec. 10, 2007
RE Lowell Steele's assertion that "there's no such thing as
'bad' publicity in politics": Actually, there is. Cases in point:
Mark Foley and Larry Craig.
And the defense that Romney's waffling on the issues is okay because he has flipped, but not flopped, is ludicrously absurd. It's not so much the notion that Romney has changed his views that people object to--they object to it because he changes his mind when it's politically convenient.
And the defense that Romney's waffling on the issues is okay because he has flipped, but not flopped, is ludicrously absurd. It's not so much the notion that Romney has changed his views that people object to--they object to it because he changes his mind when it's politically convenient.
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I found his speech stirring and inspiring. At least Americans have a better glimpse into the heart of a man who doesn't abondon his convictions for the sake of political gain--a character trait that most politicians don't seem to posess these days.