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Romney's speech champions 'Symphony of faith'
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He insultingly denounced people who are secular, as if we are anti-moral and anti-American.
The most egregious form of political correctness is this deference to so-called "people of faith" on matters of morality. If our politics is going to be increasingly polluted with religion, we can no longer be polite to the faith-based.
My opposition to Romney is reaffirmed.
You did a good job championing the church's rebranding efforts ("we're more normal than you!") but outside utah this is a tempest in a teacup.
When your words reflect life in Utah, or life in Utah reflects your words, then I will believe.
Like Richard G., I too noticed that while Romney was careful to be inclusive of all faiths, he did seem to stop short of including people who do not believe in God.
On the other hand, neither Romney, nor any Mormon I've talked to, has demonstrated the blatant lack of tolerance for others' beliefs as he did here.
If that is what atheists think of others, and this is how they treat them, then I'm happy to hang on to my "fairy tale" beliefs.
Think what you will of people of faith, but the truth is, if everyone believed and behaved as him, clearly this would would be a much worse place.
Why tear down other people for what they believe? Why not discuss instead the merits of what YOU believe?
Failing to do so leaves us with the conclusion that perhaps there ARE no merits to atheism -- particularly when we see how miserable atheists are.
The perceived concern is the influence the Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder Day Saints would have on the Romney administration .... how is this different from the influence of Evangelical Christians on (enter administration name here)?
The difference, it's not their influence on the administration.
I'm sorry Richard, but you are the one who has misinterpreted the constitution. I quote from the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...". You cannot find the words "Separation of Church and State" in the U.S. constitution. The founding fathers most certainly intended for religion to play a vital role in the direction and continued progress of this great nation! Of coarse, they did not advocate that the state establish, by law, the exercise of one religion over another, but all you must do is read the constitution itself to understand that the free practice, or non-practice of religion is an absolute right!! Romney and his fellow "evangelical fascist theocrats" do not wish to impose religion upon you, but you are obviously dedicated to imposing non-religion upon them (as is the radical American left)!!! Radical liberalism seeks to destroy the most fundamental and critical rights guaranteed us in the constitution, and I should hope you could see that your own thoughts and opinions are under attack when such freedoms are challenged.
I think it is fair to say that the evangelical wing is playing an informal religion test. It is this same test, and purity in passage that has eliminated Guiliani, and people such as Clinton, Obama, etc.
And the irony of these religious tests is that Bush passed, and yet most religious voters I know really do not like his policies outside of his views on religion.
Americans are a faith based people, so looking into the religious views is important. I respect that. We do not need to worry about Romney or others imposing religion on us. On the other hand, we do feel that atheism has spent the last many decades attacking everything we do once we step outside of our front door.
A balance has to be found and I think we have found it. There is no religious test for being a candidate. And voters get to ask religious questions of candidates. That is what took place yesterday.
Now for the same passion for balancing the budget, or strengthening the dollar.
Steve Schlotzky
DID YOU LISTEN? He beleives that you should not be elected for your faith or not elected for your faith. He was not the one bringing up his faith in this election. He has tried and still has kept his personal faith out of this. Pay attention and listen!
Conservative rhetoric does not replace a liberal record.
Huckabee has a proven conservative record, as does Fred Thompson. Ron Paul is a respected Libertarian-leaning Republican
John McCain is the very person that tried to hijack the GOP in 2000 when he won the upset in New Hampshire, only to be defeated decisively in South Carolina. Is Romney not guilty of the same corruption?
Rudy Giuliani is just like Mitt Romney - a liberal who has no respect for the Party of Reagan.
Mike Huckabee will beat Mitt Romney like a government mule. Oh, and when I cast my vote for Mike Huckabee, I'll be wearing my CTR ring. I might even cook some green Jell-O salad with marshmallows and carrots that day.
Mitt Romney's speech did nothing for his credibility. To label his rhetoric as a "Symphony of Faith" is not only irresponsible, it's down right dishonest. Mitt Romney's speech was a desperate attempt to garner a vote. He's just not wanted among conservatives.
So what?
In the end, the Founding Fathers' notion of complete separation of Church and State will stand.
This IS American after all and all REAL Americans will stand for nothing less.
I take exception with the phrase "Freedom requires religion", this is patently untrue. Mitt would have done himself a great favor by replacing the word "religion" with "faith" After all, what is religion but faith directed and defined. I think it can be shown that many very secular countries have tremendous freedom, but freedom requires faith; faith in the ability of mankind to rise above selfishness and power.
Also, I don't understand why the religious view the secular as the enemy. They are simply two ethical choices. Religious fanaticism is much more the enemy of religion than secularism. If you disagree, let me ask you all who is the greater enemy, the atheist next door or Osama Bin Laden?
First, to insult someones belief by referring to it as a "Fairy Tail" is outrageous. But I am sure you have not moral issue with that!!!
Second, Separation of Church and State, Our Founders would have NEVER imagined not having FAITH in a GREATER POWER, THE CREATOR.......WAKE UP. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE GREAT MEN WHO SIGNED THE CONSTITUTION......
Third, Non-Believers are "Good Americans too", only shows your LACK OF INTELLEGENCE. I have never met a member of "THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATER DAY SAINTS" that believes non-members are NOT GOOD AMERICANS.
REALITY...LDS belive ALL HUMANS are GOOD [WORLD WIDE] and have the LIGHT OF CHRIST...Next time keep your comments of ignorance to yourself.
Final comment: you want to know what a Baptist believes, visit their church learn, same for Episcopalian, Catholic, Methodist, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Jehovah Witness just to name a few.
DONT'T LEARN FROM THE NON-BELIEVERS propaganda, by the way, where is the MORALS when you are not sharing love but hate, makes ya go HMMMMM.
I would like you to help me on something. Will you please name one US president that did not mention something about faith while he was in the white house?
What one's personal convictions are or are not should not be criteria for a public office (look at our speaker of the house). The media has pushed Romney to make this speach. He did great.
Wouldn't it be nice to have someone with real values leading our country. As he spoke, we could picture George Washington, John Adams or Abraham Lincoln saying exactly the same things he said....and in the same way.
Thank you Governor Romney.
I have met many wonderful Christians who are afriad to come out about thier beliefs because they will just be torn down. It's truly sad. This speech is hope that there is equality for those who practice that faith in which this country was founded. Sure there are a number of those who aren't Christian who are good American's, but please, let's respect everyone.
But his connection to a peculiar people will come back to haunt him.
The framers always intended a separation.
However, there is no constitutional separation, just the "Establishment" and "Free Ecercise Clause".
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