JimJr | 2:06 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Who would have thought that the measley old WAC would surpass the MWC (in credibility) in just a few short years. It just goes to show you how absolutely pathetic the MWC has become! Who is to blame?

If a team does lousy the coach is the first to be blamed and fired. If a conference goes from bad to worse, you have to blame the guy at the helm, the Commisioner. I think that would be a great place to start to try and fix this mess and conference.

Keep in mind there are a couple of good teams in the conference that get absolutely no recognition i.e.,BYU, UTAH, AIR FORCE and maybe TCU. Blame TV deals all you want, but you have to blame the guy at the head of the snake.

Coach's Mendenhall, Whittingham, AF Coach and TCU coaches can field decent teams but that certainly isn't going to fix the national exposure problems.

Get rid of the Commissioner or form a new conference!!
Its all about money, folks | 2:09 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
I remember when the bowls decided which teams they would invite. Only the Rose bowl was lock. BYU went to bowls all over the country by invitation: Tangerine, Independence, Liberty, etc. When the bowl alliance started committing their league champions to play in the big four bowls, the WAC (Holiday Bowl), then the MWC (Las Vegas), followed suit and locked their teams into playing in certain bowl games. It was all about money. By contract, the MWC is assured of three bowl invitations and the money that comes with them. And if there are other attractive teams in the conference, we could get more invitations: Air Force and TCU this year. So, now we don't have to wait for an invitation from a bowl committee. The system isn't going to change because there is just too much money at stake. No other sport, not even basketball with its playoff, generates the money football generates. The power conferences are not about to give any of it up; except to one token mid-major per year. And that concession only came to avoid the threat of a congressional investigation. Will it ever be fixed? When does the millenium start?
Bowl Time | 2:23 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Relax cougar fans, if you want to play a team that is better than 6-6 in your bowl game, don't Loose to 6-6 teams during the season. I realize it based on your entire body of work during the year, but when you look at UCLA's body of work during the year and see how sad it was, doesn't that make BYU's loss to UCLA even worse? The mountain west is a weak conference and simply because the cougs only lost 2 games doesn't mean they deserve a better team than one they couldn't beat earlier.
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RE: Gripe, Gripe, Gripe... | 2:27 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
"Get over it and be glad you are in a bowl game. There are teams out there with winning records that didn't get a bowl game because there weren't enough to go around this year."

What a completely ridiculous statement!! Of course, there are a lot of teams out there with winning records that are not going to a bowl game, but how many of them are 10-2, undefeated conference champions, and ranked in the top 20, for the second straight year? Why shouldn't BYU fans want to see their team play against a bowl opponent of similar standing? It would not be any different with Ute fans if their team was in this situation and you know it! I remember very well hearing a lot of "Gripe and Moan" from Ute fans in '04 when their #4 team got stuck with a #19 Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl, and I didn't blame them one bit. That was an outstanding team that deserved to play against a better opponent. So don't go taking shots at BYU fans for feeling the same way.
Possible Playoff Solution... | 2:38 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Possible solution to the NCAA Football playoff quandary:

Basic-ground-rules:
Current football season is reduced from 12 to 10 games.

Individual conferences are required to have a Championship game at the end of regular season.

Playoff pool consists of 32 teams which are chosen by committee patterned after NCAA Basketball Selection committee. Conference champions are granted automatic tournament berths(11). Remaining teams(21) are eligible for at-large-playoff-spots.

Playoff-games-and-participants-are-determined-on-a-regional-basis (i.e. MWC/PAC-10/WAC; SunBelt/SEC East/ACC South; Big-10/MAC/Big-East; Big-12/SEC West/ConfUSA, etc.) with-each-region-contributing 8 teams-to-its-playoff-pool. This allows good non-conference champion teams a chance to participate.

First-round-games-are-played-in-home-stadiums-of-team-with-best W-L record (or-determined-by-some-other-criteria).

Rounds 2-4 are played in regionally-based bowl-type settings.

Four-regional-winners play championship semis and finals in larger bowls (Fiesta, Sugar, Rose, Orange) with championship final being hosted on a rotating basis.

Revenue from tournament games/TV deals is to be divided equally among the conferences (just like NCAA Basketball).

Fundamental question is whether every Div-I school should have a chance to win the championship. If not, then-NCAA-needs-to-call-it-like-it-is-and-only-have-BCS-conference-schools-play-for-national-championship.

This tournament format allows only 2 teams the chance of playing 15 games a season(max). Tourney-games-begin-week-after-Thanksgiving-with-Championship-game-being-played-around-New-Year's-day.

Whatever the format, Div-I College Football needs to settle everything ON THE FIELD. Line-up, hit-each-other-in-the-mouth-and-whoever's-left-standing-at-the-end-is-the-national-champion. Sounds simple enough.
Willy | 2:38 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Mr Harmon You are wasting you ink trying to bring logic to Cougarland. They believe everyone is out shaft BYU and the BCS system is broke. Win baby Win
no future with MW | 2:45 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
The Mountain West Conference stinks and seems to have no vision. How much are we paying those conference administrators to do a mediocre job? I think they should of hired someone with a business degree rather than a head cheerleader.

I hear excuses about its television contract and now excuses about its ability to find a bowl opponent. Sounds as though they never looked beyond the PAC 5 team eventhough this was shaping up to be a great year for the champion.

BYU with its tradition, broad fan base across the country, and resources can do much better. What does the Mountain West offer any of it teams?

Its too bad Utah is not the undefeated conference champion at 10 and 2. Its fans would not stand for this treatment. They would complain loudly!
MWC vs. WAC | 2:51 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
People may not like this, but take on the WAC and make a deal with them to have the #1 of each conference play each other for the Bowl game. Put the bowl in Las Vegas but with the stipulation that a new stadium is built within 4 years with part of the revenue. Re-name it something other than the Las Vegas Bowl. Get a title sponsor that's bigger than what they have now, a company from the area preferrably. Leave clauses that allow the champion to accept a BCS bid if eligible, and then allow the inviting of other schools free of conference tie-ins.
I'm a utah fan | 2:58 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Ok, the UCLA #1 fan post is from a disgruntled Ute trying to make people angry. Either that or completely ignorant. That UCLA team barely beat BYU on questionable calls and then was DEMOLISHED by a Utah team that lost to BYU in a good game, not a blowout. If BYU wins by less than 14 I'll be shocked, it pains me to say this, but go BYU and the rest of the MWC
Just be happy | 2:58 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
The cougars have a chance to extend their current win streak and make up for an earlier loss to UCLA.
Surely the seniors look forward to this opportunity.
Who knows which coach will bring a new UCLA offense into Provo next season? At least the cougars will face a UCLA team with known characteristics when they meet again in Las vegas.

Remember Fans, should Texas dump Hawaii, BYU could enter 2008 with the nations longest winnning streak, plus a bowl win over PAC 10. Should be good for a preseason Top Twenty slot. Whip UCLA and Washinton coming out of the chute and the Cougars should be BCS bound, perhaps undefeated.
to tvb | 3:02 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Get out of here with the weak trash talk already or we'll play your who-tah team again next week and beat them AGAIN.
Shut up whiney-bottoms | 3:10 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
If BYU had actually beat UCLA earlier this season, they could complain about a weak opponent.
BYU needs to remember that if they had actually beat UCLA, they probably would have been ranked much sooner and much higher by now and would have their glorious bowl on public television.
But the fact remains that they crumbled to this "weak" team. It's ironic that the statistics for the BYU-UCLA game show that BYU was weaker and yet their the ones complaining. Are you scared?
Hey, Please Deseret News | 3:20 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Hey, PDN, do a bit of study on what a columnist does. He writes his opinion, hopefully using correct facts when he uses facts.

My take is Dick was hired to boost the Blue. He's doing that. You don't like it, read about BYU in the Trib. But that's his job.

As for playing UCLA, my take is Bronco will play whomever whenever (except Sundays and Monday nights). I don't think he's afraid of any team. Folks seem to forget that different players are in uniform every season. Comparing years is pretty much fruitless except for win-loss records by which coaches are judged.
Hey JimJr. | 3:46 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Why do you think the WAC is so far ahead of the MWC? The WAC has 3 out of 9 teams that finished with winning records, and they had 4 bowl games to attend versus 5 for the MWC. Top to bottom, the MWC is a better conference, and it is definitely showing in basketball this year too. Hawaii played one of the weakest schedules around and barely squeaked by a UW team that didn't have a QB who could throw the ball. Keep telling yourself the WAC is better or just come to realize they are on par with each other.
Harmon the Homer | 3:46 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Dick's should just have a standard "article" that the DNews can print every week. It's something like this: Blah, blah, blah, BYU is great. Gibberish, gibberish, gibberish, Bronco is the bestest football coach ever. Grammatical error, misstated statistics, and the Utes are terrible. Some nonsensical opinions coupled with blue-colored rhetoric followed by the ultimate conclusion that BYU is the greatest athletic and academic institution in the world. Memo to DNews - Dick is an embarrassment.
Frozen Chosen | 4:09 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
You people, including Dick, need to stop living in the past. The current team and coach bear absolutely no responsibility whatsoever for BYU's poor bowl record. Talk to Lavell about that. I believe Bronco's record in bowl games is 1-1, which is all that matters. Using their alltime bowl record to justify getting a poor opponent in this year's bowl game is ridiculous. Also, even if BYU stomps UCLA it will make no difference in next year's rankings. Last year BYU blasted Oregon and ended up ranked 15th. Yet when the preseason rankings came out BYU was nowhere to be found and still didn't crack the top 25 after they beat the UofA to open the season. Preseason rankings are a joke as they are a complete guess by the pollsters. Polls shouldn't even come out until the 4th or 5th week of the season.
wii | 4:16 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Only a fool would think UCLA is an "inferior" opponent. They are not! They are not, however, an intriguing opponent under the scheduling arrangement in place.

Look at the mess accross the board. There aren't five interestig bowl matchups, all because the bowls signed agreements for opponents years in advance. We knew that we would play the 5th place PAC team before the season started. Our stupid conference officials should have screamed about that matchup a long time ago but they had their heads up their mtn. This lady and her committee screwed up long ago!

We need a playoff in at this level of football but the big boys won't let it happen unless it is a 1+ playoff that excludes all but the BSC elites.

Don't tell me the BCS worked this year. There should be no National Champion doe this season! Or at least lets make the basketball champion, the football champion by default. Heck it worked last year!
Honolulu Warrior | 4:38 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Interesting comments you all make. Why would we want to have a MWC-WAC conference Bowl tie-in The last two years we went to the BCS in the WAC......why would we want an inferior opponent like BYU.....UCLA is a good match-up for you we don't want to trade Georgia for BYU
Same team? | 5:15 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
3 game in twelve months, maybe

3 Games at differnet locations, and UCLA team that may be coached by a differents coach in each game. Same Team? Not Really.
WAC vs MWC | 5:33 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Who is more to blame for the fact that the WAC is now considered to be a better conference than the MWC? The MWC Commissioner or the MWC school presidents?

I keep hoping someone will notice we are moving in the wrong direction and do something about it.
BYU fan | 6:05 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Well said, Mr Harmon. Fact is, the MWC will not get the nationwide respect it wants until its member schools start to consistently beat BCS conference schools. We didn't get the job done earlier this season- let's make the most of the rematch. Go Cougars!
Bruins why ???????? | 6:34 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Who would ever think of playing the same team twice.
Utah got Navy now that will be a gem. If Utah would have beat Byu they sure would have picked Boise State or Oregon. A 6 and 6 team like the bruins would not even make the cut.
Some of frustration | 8:23 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Some of the frustration is that BYU played them this year and will play them next year at home. That makes it harder to get excited and want to spend money to go watch the game in Vegas.

Kind of like it would be difficult to get excited about a bowl game with a team from our conference.

That being said, I look forward to the game and hope that BYU can even up the score with UCLA this year.
Come on BYU fans grow up | 8:30 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
I am appalled to be a BYU fan with all the complaining I am hearing. So what we win the MWC x 2, we lost this year to UCLA and Tulsa. Yes, we are champions, and are getting better, but just a few years ago we were not so good. It is time to dig in and use the hand we are dealt to the fullest. Beat UCLA, come in next year ranked in the top 15 and then go undefeated and play in a BCS bowl.

The other item I hear all the time is that we need to jump ship and go to a BCS conference -- yes this will bring more money, and perhaps give us some better recruits, but remember there are a lot of teams in the BCS (UCLA is one of them) that lose a lot of games despite this "recruiting" and "money" advantage.

Brooke | 8:42 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Byu was robbed in the Rose Bowl by pac 10 refs. Maybe this time they won't be able to control the game by made up calls and bad decisions. Byu should blow ucla out. Byu needs to get rid of the MTN network and get out of the conference into one where they can be seen outside Utah. BYU is ignored by the media and unknown to most football fans because they are unable to see them play....
complaining | 9:20 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Mostly wanted to get Unga, Hall, Fui and Collie a little national exposure.

don't think UCLA and Vegas are gonna give us the "cherries" on this one.
Anonymous | 9:22 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
The only way Harmon's articles could be any more slanted is if they were edited by Greg Wrubel.

Woops. Sorry I gave this newspaper the idea.
ocutes | 9:56 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007

Interesting article.
Another point to press is that had BYU beaten UCLA earlier, then they would not have to face UCLA now...would it?
Colorado Cougar Fan | 9:58 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Thank you. Finally, an article that puts the prideful BYU fans in their place. Let's win the game before we complain about our opponent.
John | 10:02 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
I could understand the complaints is BYU had defeated the Bruin's earlier this year. A win against UCLA would demonstrate BYU's improvement over the course of the season.
Re: Annoymous | 11:05 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Do you think that the Ute beat writers, and game announcers are any less slanted in regards to the Utes? I listened all year long to the voice of the utes complain about everything under the sun, till I felt like I was listening to immature children whine the day away. It was hard to put up with. So Harmon and Wrubel are slanted towards the Y, big deal, thats their job.
We Cougar fans | 11:21 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
We're Old money.

We like to hear the Utes, then BSU, and now Hawaii get a little coin, a little jingle in the pocket.

When you have spent all of it on trinkets and beads, we will still have some stashed away.

That's what programs with winning traditions do.

Talk big today mighty Honolulu Warrior, but last place Washington was up on you 28 - 0, and their record is 2-7 in the PAC 10, and you would have been playing in the Hawaii Bowl again.


(Is it lame playing in a bowl created in your stadium, chosen just for you?)
AK Cougar | 11:23 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Does anyone know how the officials are selected for the LV Bowl?
California Cougar | 11:24 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
I have no problem playing UCLA. We need to prove we are a much better team than they are. The problem is with the bowl itself. First why are we even associated with a bowl in Vegas. There is little in Vegas that isn't bad from an LDS viewpoint. We have been the dominant school in this conference and we could have vetoed any of these deals. With very few exceptions the MWC or the old WAC for that matter couldn't have made the lame decisions (expanding the WAC and playing in the eastern part of the conference which killed our California recruiting, our lousy commissioner now, and TV deal,etc.)without our approval. Athletic directors at BYU have made many mistakes in this regard. Over 20 years ago we could have gone independent in football. We are just repeating with the vegas bowl the problem with the Holiday Bowl in the early years. Remember we had to play an average Michigan team in the national championship game. Until we get agressive in either going independent in football or forcing the right things to happen we will continue to be stuck in lousy bowls and TV deals.
matt | 7:43 a.m. Dec. 5, 2007
Two things to say:
1. The "dismal post-season record" is a result of Lavell's teams feeling like the bowl game was the reward for a good season, not another game to play.
2. BYU will have to be ranked in the top 20 to start next year, after beating UCLA in the LVB. And that ranking will increase when we beat them a second consecutive time in provo
@AK Cougar | 8:27 a.m. Dec. 5, 2007
The BCS World Management Committee assigns officials to all non BCS bowl games, the non BCS bowl scores are not posted in the media until after the BCS National Champion is declared.

signed
Nota Fact
Tarheel Ute | 11:24 a.m. Dec. 5, 2007
BYU nor Utah shouldn't complain about thier respective Bowl opponents over the years, considering aside from winning they have little control over who they play. They can both count wins this year they should have won but didn't.

I come from a BYU/Utah split family. I bleed a double-shot of red when Utah looses to BYU like it has over the last two years, and more so like the Utes did in the 80's. I will gladly root for both teams this December, believing that wins by both teams is mutually good for them both and the MWC.

Lets just hope the MWC officials and presidents negotiate better bowl deals and TV packages. But in the end coaches, players and fans have got to be more big league if we want to be big league.
iShowsToGo | 3:41 p.m. Dec. 5, 2007
Every is talking about how BYU is lucky and should be grateful the Las Vegas bowl took us. BYU made the the Las Vegas Bowl popular! Without BYU, and it would be a mediocre bowl like the Armed Forces bowl or the Poinsietta. Before Bronco, the Vegas Bowl was junk. With BYU last year and this year, the Vegas Bowl is the thing to be at on December 22nd. I'm excited for the bowl game. But, saying that BYU is lucky is going to far. BYU deserved the bowl, and BYU got it. Yes, BYU deserves a better bowl or a better opponent. I would have liked to seen BYU play ASU. What a game that would have been!
badlandscougar | 6:03 p.m. Dec. 5, 2007
mr harmon i love your columns and i read your news if i need to know the scoop.as a cougar fan outside of utah,i say reassign the mwc commish and start over. the tv coverage of byu was embarassing,except when former players commented.no tv no respect. simple marketing.
USC Trojan | 6:25 p.m. Dec. 5, 2007
I can't think of two more suitable teams than BYU and UCLA for the esteemed Las Vegas Bowl.

The entire nation will be tuned in and on seats edge for that nail-bitter.
Anonymous | 9:24 a.m. Dec. 6, 2007
Here's an exact quote from an official BYU Athletic Dept Release,
"The general public will be able to purchase up to six tickets. Tickets are $75 each, which includes internet ticketing fees, shipping & handling, and a small premium to enhance the football program."

did you notice the "small premium to enhance..."

Keep that in mind when Mendenhall wants a less competative schedule. What do they intend to enhance because the games are already as interesting as watching paint dry. I refuse to pay anthing more to watch them play bo-diddly tech. Unbelievable.

LVCoug | 5:31 p.m. Dec. 7, 2007
A 50% increase in ticket price is a "small premium..."? Someone needs help either from the English Dept or the Math Dept.

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