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re: I Love It | 12:40 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Ok, I realize that the Republican party has not lived up to their promises and that Bush has been an extremely inaffective president. But, if you want to talk about corruption and unsuccessful politics look no further than the Clintons and the democratic party. Atleast some of the Republicans have stayed true to their convictions and they havn't flipped flopped to please the latest pole. The Clintons were corrupt when they were in the White House and they will be corrupt again if they get in. Will I blow a gasket if Hillary gets in, No. I'll just prepare myself to watch all of her policies fail and to watch her ruin the world's greatest health care system. I hope you liberals and Democrats can handle it if CLinton or Obama win the white house and their policies back fire and blow up in their faces.

Try something new? | 12:43 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

I have to shake my head everytime I hear that it is time for something new in defending Hillary's "progressive" agenda. Time for historical perspective. Which in relatively new in comparison, the American Dream or Socialism? Hillary's plan is not new. Now for a second comparison. American success vs. European succes. Why go from the American system to the European system when ours has yeilded more to human inginuety and civility than any other government or culture?

Secondly, lets revisit our constitution and the creation of our federal government. It was created to protect our freedom and liberty from enemies foriegn and domestic. Never was it created to educate the masses, to provide for the poor, to redistribute wealth, to unarm its citizens, to take over our hospitals, etc.

I am not for federal control and power over states and individuals. However, if a New England state wants to try complete Hillary-style socialism and see where it takes them going to this "older" style of government then go for it. I wish we would go more to our New style of government of which our founding fathers beilieved in. Lets go BACK to trying something new.

bipartisan | 12:52 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Re: Leni10: I appreciate what you are saying, and yes there is a lot of polarization from these two people...and sometimes I look at my posts and say, I have got to "chill out" (by the way, I took the day off work today this isn't on the bosses dime). I am just so tired of some of the ridiculously shallow, tiresome, rude and baseless comments that are made by liberals. I remember I went to a concert a year or so ago, to see a band(for the 3rd time) that I grew up with, and loved for decades. By the time the concert was over I was discusted with the hatred and political garbage that was spewed from the stage, and it showed in there concert they were just old and pathetic,and their music was tired...but I decided I wasn't going to sit back and take it anymore, at the very least we should stand up for our leaders that at least attempt to lead with some semblence of morals and committment to a task. (Romney/Lieberman 08)

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TYLER | 1:02 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

To "laughable" Did I say Bush was a war hero? No! I just said he does care more than Hillary ever will.

Elmo | 1:01 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Yes, Iam a LDS Democrat! I live in Northern New Mexico and Support Hillary Clinton not my Governor Bill Richardson. Hillary has more experience and get things runing from day one. There are alot Elephant GOP LDS church members that put down that Democrats in Church. I slam GW Bush back at them to shut them up for following blindly like leminngs to the edge of the cliff! I like being a Meadow Democrat from Bloom County USA! Bill the Cat Clinton Rocks!

My2cents | 1:09 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

What? we can't not like Queen Hillary, unless we listen to limbaugh, Hannity, etc? Some of us are too busy. Some of us read and study the issues. My feelings and knowledge about Hillary Clintn from my my own research. She can't be trusted. Period. I won't be voting for her, and she's elected, I will work tiredlessly to ensure she is a one termer.

SLMG | 1:15 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Thank goodness there is only one Utah! When I saw that there had been 49 comments on this column I knew almost to the paragraph what I would be reading and Red Utah has not let me down. Closed minds, hypocritical thinking, judgemental hearts and people that want to change the constitution to satisfy they own bigotry. Shame on you folks and double shame on you if you are LDS.

It is true | 1:30 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Tyler, George Bush has initiated the worst foreign policy disaster in the history of the US.

TYLER | 1:48 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

to "Racer" You better keep waiting, because this country is smarter than to vote Hillary as the first woman president and disgrace the entire female gender. I'll be happy to vote for a woman when a non-hypocritical, experienced woman runs for office. I can't wait!

mel | 2:06 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Bipartisan,
I have really enjoyed your posts - logical and reasonable. I believe most people no longer vote straight party lines (at least no one I know does), they vote the canidate. My problem is, it is getting increasingly difficult to believe the promises made during a campaigne. Because once in office, we frequently discover some "promises" were perhaps unrealistic. I haven't found a reliable way to separate the realistic promises with the polictical reteroic. Any help with that?

If | 2:15 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Hillary is so great why not release the papers on her actions from the National archives when she was first lady. Why did her husband seal them till 2012...hmmm? Why has no one asked Sharon Berger about the documents he stole and destroyed from the archives?

The Clintons are deceptive and are hiding.

lynn | 2:21 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Has Hillary ever even had to balance a check book? What in the world makes her qualified to run the United States of America?

Worlds greatest Healthcare? | 2:44 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

You mean, "used to be worlds greatest". We now have great problems with it. The healthcare itself is still good....it's the getting it and having enough money to pay the bills once you do. Fifty million people without and lots more people with outstanding bills. This did not happen on the Democratic ticket. Neither party is perfect, but I will sure take the days of the Democrats over our problems now.

bipartisan | 2:49 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Re: Try something new? - You are right...That is the problem with many that share that philosophy. Somehow they think Hillary is something new, there is very little thought other than superficial that goes into their ideology...they want to save the world, and by golly if Hillary says she wants to try something new, and tells you she is going to take care of all your problems then let's do it. Just don't you dare try to analyze her pie in the sky ideas to see if it will actually work.
The fact of the matter is this serious, people need to think about what she is saying, and the potential for disaster it will invoke on all of us. I agree with you let's try it on New England, make them a separate country for 20 years as an experiment, and then see what happens. All the libs that think it will work why not give it a try...not trying to kick you out or anything. Just tired of having social medicine, increased tax rates and evil republicans shoved down my throat.
Romney/Lieberman 08

2slmg | 2:48 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

SLMG,
'Red' Utah has let you down. We do think here. Oddly enough, we vote standards, not who's the prettiest. And we certainly don't vote just because we feel sorry for someone. I won't be voting for Hillary Clinton because she's incompentent, and riding on husband's coattails, not on her own wind. She has zero experience in running anything, not even a home. She's always had something I've never had - help with cleaning, cooking and someone else (nanny) to raise the kids. If her greatest qualification is that she's a woman, then were in BIG trouble. Electing a woman is fine with me. Just make her qualified. Hillary is not qualified.

HillaryFan | 2:55 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

I love all these posts about Bill Clinton's immoral behavior, Hillary's lack of character, blah, blah.

It is worth mentioning, I think, that of the front runners in the Democratic field, no candidate has been divorced. Among the top Republican candidates, all but Mitt Romney has been divorced. So which is the real party of family values? Say whatever you want about the Clintons...they figured out what works for them, they kept their marriage together, they raised a bright daughter who lives her life without getting arrested, publicly drunk etc.

Can Fred Thompson or John McCain or any of the rest make that claim?

bipartisan | 3:17 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Re: Mel - Thanks. That is a great question, I think of so many things that are promised on both sides of the aisle, and the little that has gotten done. I remember for example the debates between John Kerry and Pres Bush, and he talked about social security and the possibility of privatizing part of it to expand the potential for income going into social security, but it just kind of fizzled...that does frustrate me, but for the most part he does stand behind his beliefs...even when it is not popular. That is what I love about Joe Lieberman...it's not exactly popular to stand up for the war as a democrat, but he does, because he believes it and never waivers. I am a little concerned with Mitt's changing stance on abortion (one way or the other), but I believe he has character when he speaks. Hillary on the other hand will change her stance on an issue within minutes. I really like to see how a leader reacts when the chips are down...give me a Churchill anytime.

Thanks HillaryFan | 3:26 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

And let's not forget that Hillary is not her husband! People like to lump the two together, but Hillary is her own person. She is successful, devoted, experienced and a hard worker. She is very successful in the New York Senate and I have total faith in her.

Concerned | 3:39 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Do we really need 8 more years of a Clinton in the White House?

The Bush/Clinton pattern of leadership needs to be busted up. If Mrs. Rodham Clinton gets elected that would mean this country will probably have to endure her for 8 years, which means the Bushes and Clintons sat in the power for 28 years!

If Bill Clinton says his wife is the right choice to run this country and Americans buy into it and vote for her, our country's demise is going to be rapid. Those individuals throwing money at her campaign are not thinking about the externalities of her presidency and how they will impact our culture and safety. If you want to view what a future Hilary presidency would be like--go look at the Labour Party in England for the last 10 years. The UK is like chromed rust, bright on the outside and rotting on the inside.

Oh, yeah . . . | 3:44 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Bill and Hillary showed us all what "family values" can mean.

Klimber510 | 3:46 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

To have total faith in Hillary simply ignores history. She claims that 8 years in the White House is part of what qualifies her to be President. If that is the case, why won't she release the papers associated with Bill's term in office so we can study her experience and read what it was that qualifies her?

Socialist | 4:00 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

ï¿½Try Something New,ï¿½ I have to go over a few things you said. First:

ï¿½Why go from the American system to the European system when ours has yeilded more to human inginuety and civility than any other government or culture?ï¿½

Thatï¿½s a good example of a totally thoughtless claim. More civility? You mean more money. Next you said,

ï¿½Secondly, lets revisit our constitution and the creation of our federal government. It was created to protect our freedom and liberty from enemies foriegn and domestic. Never was it created to educate the masses, to provide for the poor, to redistribute wealth, to unarm its citizens, to take over our hospitals, etc.ï¿½

Letï¿½s think now. The United States is not at risk of foreign attack. Seriously, we have sufficient armed forces to take care of ourselves. What are the issues in America today?

Poor distribution of wealth, poorer health than other developed countries, poor education, violence and intolerance. Letï¿½s not be looking back at our founding fathers so much that we ignore whatï¿½s happening in our nation right now.

Blow me to Bermuta | 4:23 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

I don't care for either party. But the Clintons? Come on!!!! I'd love to vote for a woman, just not a socialist woman, or the wife of a womanizer!!!

RE: Why would you vote for her | 4:26 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

"Why would any sane person vote for a woman President?" This is a sad commentary on our society today.

To Bipartisan | 4:31 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Lieberman is an Independent...fact check buddy

wrz | 4:32 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

> - Nuts

Not inhaling is a waste of a good joint. Let's hope Hillary will do better.

Dave | 4:34 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

I have a close friend who worked for several years as a member of the Clinton Entourage during Bill's presidency. This is what that friend has often repeated about Bill and Hillary:

Say what you want about him and his morals... he actually cares about people and wants to help them.

Hillary on the other hand is a very cold distant person who treats those around her with distain. She is always doing what is best for Hillary regardless of what it means to other people.

Finally, this friend of mine said that their marriage, at least at this point (Early to mid 1990's), is nothing more than a power marriage to help both of their careers.

Take it for what its worth... I am just some random guy on the internet, who knows a guy, who said...

Suzyk | 4:39 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Just think of Billary's visit as one of entertainment, yet a very expensive one those who are fooled. Pres. Bush has done a great job...he didn't create the War....we are there to protect our country...that is why our troops believe in what they are doing. What is wrong with the citizens who continually criticize our President and those close to him? Have you walked in his shoes? Do you have the experience he has? Are you a God-fearing human being like President Bush? There are always those who can't recognize quality and worth even if it bit them in the behind...come on...give President Bush credit and also the Miliary for the tremendous, brave and courageous job they are continuing to do for you...they don't want to hear your negativity...they just want support and know we are praying for them. Give President Bush and Cheney come credit for being the good and honorable men they are. My hat goes off to them...

wrz | 4:43 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Question: Who will be Hillary's Veep?

Ans: Bill Clinton, who else?

No funny. John Kennedy appointed his brother US Attorney General.

bipartisan | 4:57 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Re: Concerned: right on! Rather than always looking for change, let's look for some chararacter, and...I will say it again...substance!!

The Clinton's don't have it.

Hil | 4:57 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

I believe I heard the fundraiser dinner cost was 2500 per person... That means only 140 "donated" to the campaign. Not a big number!

Please! | 5:04 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

They were just a bunch of utes who supported him. That is why I'd NEVER, EVER attend that school!!!

80cent | 5:23 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Suzyk: No.

When you say things like "Bush has done a great job" and "What is wrong with citizens who continually criticize our PResident?" You should know that NOTHING is wrong with that. America was set up in a way where we have freedom of speech.

Ity was designed so that if President Bush thinks we need to attack another country and tells us that if he didn't, we would be in danger, we could say "No, that's obviously not true." Bush is not a King or Prophet. He is a politician, and we shouldn't put him on a pedastal because we love our Nation.

If we really love this nation, we will be upset when our leader does things we don't approve of. Regardless of wether or not they want to hear what we have to say.

Props | 5:34 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

HilaryFan, I must say you make a great point to all those claiming that we need someone with moral character. No Democrats divorced? All but one Republican have been divorced? Not good for the moral argument is it?

Personally I feel offended when people sell themselves as "vote for me cause I'm Godfearing." Show me. I would love to have a moral, religious president, but I honestly can't stand it when people just say they are and sell themselves as "God's President." Act like one, don't tell me that you're one.

HoneyMaid | 5:48 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

What a silly story. 1500 people going to hear an ex president speak is a "hit?" How many tens of thousands of people were actually in church?

How much money did members of the LDS church along the Wasatch Front actually donate in tithing and fast offerings?

How many people attended the BYU football game on Saturday and purchased overpriced food, drinks and other items?

It's a silly thing to say Bill Clinton is a hit. A BYU football game the day before kicked his butt in attendance and in money spent. The same day, the local churches kicked his butt in attendance and money donated.

Tim | 6:03 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Hillary vs. Condie. Sounds ominous enough! I'm sure if Condie works hard enough before the election, she can get the whole world to hate us, and maybe even cause another war. GO CONDIE!

If you want sanity and reason in governement and world relations, just THINK about Hillary. That's not asking too much is it?

Ugh | 6:03 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

The State needs a shower after Buba's visit! Does that woman who was excited about being in a room with 1500 DemocRats realize that that was the entire state population of Dems?

bipartisan | 6:05 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Re: To Bipartisan: You are right after he lost in the democratic primary, Joe Lieberman ran as an independent, because he could no longer run in the general as a democrat. The point is he is a man of principle, that has character. I think if you asked him where he aligns himself, he certainly wouldn't shy away from being called a southern democrat. Is that the best you got...? Again throw a shot out there, and don't have any actual logical thought out opinion...buddy.

gwc | 6:06 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Did they drop an 'S' from the headline?

Frightened of change | 6:15 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Some are enlightened enough to know that everything is impermanent. Everything! They don't resist this universal law, embrace it, and are very happy people.

Then there's the other kind.

bipartisan | 6:30 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Re: 80cent : I agree that it is perfectly fair to criticize our president; however it is also perfectly fair to criticize those that we feel unfairly criticize the President. Goes both ways. When I hear partisan politicians, and political hacks say our president is a murderer or that our troops are breaking into homes of innocent Iraqi's and abusing them, or that our troops are murdering innocent Iraqi's...or go to Syria, and while in the country call our President a traitor or make other extremely disparaging remarks...or compare him to Hitler. Oh...and of course my favorite that he actually orchestrated the 9/11 attacks on the twin towers and the Pentagon (that must have been really hard for him to keep secret...unless he did it all himself) those of us that find that offensive or inappropriate aren't going to just sit there, and take it anymore.

Anonymous | 7:14 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Thanks all of you who voted for the great decider. You have made Hilary electable.

Clinton Fan | 7:16 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

This was a great experience. The Clintons are excellent leaders and have great vision for the political future of our country. They are ahead of their time, which is why so many backward Utahns are so spiteful of them.

This was a chance for the State to take another step out of the 19th century toward where the rest of the world is headed!

Confused | 7:56 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

I don't usually get involved in heated political discussions because I struggle to understand how we can believe anything we read, see in the media, or hear from friends and acquaintances. Both parties make excellent promises and arguments in their campaigns, but I find it very difficult to be anything more than a fence-sitter because I can't commit to or trust any politician. Where do you all get your facts, and how do you know they are reliable? I would be happy to vote for Hillary if she can show me that she will actually do what she says. What do you all think? Is there such a thing as a reliable source out there for political information?

To bipartisian... | 8:11 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

There is nothing I can say, as a Liberal living in Utah, that would ever convinced one of the Rush ("Drug Abuser") Limbaugh brainwashed conservatives in this state to ever convince them that they are not getting financially raped every day by their greedy party. In the words of that famous Texan republican (talking about rape) "as long as it's inevitable, just relax and enjoy it."

So my efforts are not spent in that direction. But doesn't mean I can't enjoy the frothing of the collective mouths here.

Karen | 8:18 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

W has ruined our country and driven it into the ground. He's trying to take all the power from everybody, and he has bankrupted us, destroyed the middle class and on and on. We can't replace him soon enough.

clarkesq | 8:26 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

Bill Clinton did come to Utah during his campaign. I'll not forget his meeting with LDS Church leaders at HQ on South Temple.

Put hate aside. This man has some great ideas and is doing great work with his foundation and other initiatives.

Sandy | 8:41 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

To Karen | 8:18 p.m.

What exactly is "ruined" about our country? We are the envy of the world. We are the most powerful and feared nation on the earth. Our economy is strong. Our way of life is rich and fulfilling. People are actually free to pursue their interests without fear of being exterminated because they oppose the state religion or the military power. The Arts are thriving. Education and literacy are increasing every day. Need I go on?

"Republican-ites" must invoke paranoia and a pessimistic outlook in order to demonize their opposition. Living like kings as we are, however, makes it tough to swallow such misinformation.

Sandy: | 8:59 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

We are the LAUGHING STOCK of the world, thanks to George Bush Jr.

edrickt | 9:08 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007

I fail to see how this event justifies the headline. Was Clinton really a "hit." Perhaps he was with a very small group of partisan followers, but your headline seems to suggest something more far reaching.

Your article states without reference and considerable ambiguity that Hillary Clinton worked with several GOP leaders to get legislation passed. How do we know that? Give me an example. Oh, never mind. In the end, it's irrelevant. Senators do that. So how is she different?

You also state that she won the vote of many long-time New York Republicans to get elected. How relevant and how true is that? Do you have names? Are you saying she was miraculously elected to office from a state that never elects Democrats?

If you don't include references, you're only giving opinions. Opinions I can get on the editorial page. On page one, please give me the facts.

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