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Clinton's a hit in Utah

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Patata Brava | 5:47 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
We need to have a new Constitutional Amendment stating that once a person becomes president, his or her family members (spouses and children) cannot become president for 25 years. GWB wouldn't have been elected president if it were not for his name recognition, and Hillary would NEVER be considered if it were not for her husband.

Hillary has no executive experience. I cannot think of any major legislation that she has pushed through as a Senator. Election through celebrity is a terrible way to conduct a republic. Hillary's campaign to become president just seems like a backhanded way to get Bill back in the White House. We have historical precident and a Constitutional Amendment to prevent that. There is much more talent in this country than those two families.
Allen | 6:40 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
It is amazing that anyone would give money to this fellow and his wife, or what ever relationship it is they have going.
be honest | 7:17 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Why don't you just admit you are one of those Limbaugh-ites that hates the Clintons and most likely would like to see the country rescind the ability for women to vote, Patata?
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MINNIE | 7:27 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Very hard to fathom that there are so many unthinking people associated with such an important process as electing the leader of our great nation.
I agree! | 7:36 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Patata Brava: I agreee with your comment. Why would we ever want to put an impeached President anywhere even close to the Whitehaouse again? Keep in mind that only two (2) Presidents have ever been impeached in our nations history, and people want to possibly put Billary back in there? Does NOT make any sense! If you feel the the desire to vote Democrat...vote for Bill Richardson. He seems ALOT more down to earth, and REAL!
hmmm | 7:38 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
There shouldn't be a limit on who Runs for President just because a member of your family has been president. You don't want that person, then don't VOTE for that person.
Anonymous | 7:41 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Easy Patata! This is the reason why we live in the greatest country!
Thomas Jefferson | 7:49 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
A hit! Not! If he were on the ballout for even the PTA he wouldn't get 20% of the vote statewide. In liberal niches he does fine but don't say with a straight face he is a hit in Utah. His moral authority doesn't even register above zero, it goes to show that liberals and the press that supports them, can say anything and at least some people will believe it but thankfully this State still remembers what the Clintons are like.
Paul | 7:50 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
It is interesting, He never once campaigned in the state of Utah during his term as president (except the time he made an appearence in Park City just before the end of his presidency) Now he has come to build up hillary's treasure. MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, from anywhere he can get it including the poor suckers among the Democrats of Utah.
Gt. Grandma | 8:04 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
To give an answer to the above statement. Since when does a person have to have passed any major legislation to become president of this country. Who was George Bush when he became pres. He had only been in Washington when his Father was Pres. I voted for the First Bush and the 2nd Bush but I certainly would not have voted for the last one if I had known what he was going to do for our Great Country. Get us into WAR and make the world hate Americans because of his ego and stubbornness. He and cheney , to me , ( a person who has lived through the depression, wars and now the Bush presidency,) they are the worst Presidency we have ever had . I have voted for all of the Repulicans since I have been old enough to vote. But I certainly wish I could take my vote back on George Bush and Cheney.
Lizzy | 8:04 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
The articles title could very easily have read "Clintons HIT on Utah." Thank you Patata Brava for your excellent comments and ideas. Having the Clintons back in the White House is a pretty scary proposition. And I, too, would like a break from the Bush family!
Dave | 8:06 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Clinton a hit in Utah? Never has been, never will be.
Anonymous | 8:10 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
P.T Barnum was right! "A sucker is born every minute."
Dave 4197 | 8:12 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Didn't get any money from me, and they won't. I hope they spent a lot of that money to bring himself and his entourage here. Not worth 2 cents.
Just Crazy, I Think! | 8:16 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
The only thing Bill ever did for Utah was hideout at the Grand Canyon in Arizona(to scared to show his face in Utah) and Blind-sided us with another useless Utah National Monument! We all know that the Grand Stair Case National Monument sits on top of one of the Largest Utah Coal Reserves! Man, he really helped Utah's economy! We're all crazy if we think tourism will fill that loss!
bipartisan? | 8:21 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Is he serious...did Bill Clinton actually say she would render bipartisan support as President? Let me think, when Bill Clinton was in the middle of a major scandal which included lying before a grand jury about serious sexual allegations made towards him (the most serious of which were never really investigated, incuding rape and sexual assault - see Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broderick). His wife stated that it was all a part of a "vast right wing conspiracy". She has also divided the country so much that 50% of the population has stated they would not vote for her under any circumstances. Republicans in congress cannot stand her.

She has never had to be responsible for a payroll or meet a budget of any significance. Listen to what she is saying she wants to do...there is no way on earth we could pay for it, and more taxes just kills the economy which in turn lowers tax revenue. It would take us years to recover from her with just 4 years at the helm.

Wake up people.
I love it! | 8:28 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
will people in Utah actually blow a blood vessel if Hillary gets elected? I think she is an exceptionally bright woman (the poster above who said they can't think of anything she has done as a Senator is incredibly ill informed) and i would support her candidacy if after the process she prevailed.

but the best part would be listening to the utahn blow a gasket. The sheer hate of the uninformed right wing conservatives in this state -- in spite of their immoral, failed policies of the last seven years -- leaks into every thing that happens in this state.

One only need to look at the joke of the Utah Legislature to see how prevalent this is.
Get It Straight | 8:38 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Dear G.T Grandma, I say you would think the same of Abraham Lincoln. Apparently you feel that allowing Muslim fanatics to blow us up is okay and have not heard at all their avowed threat to kill All Americans, even you. Don't blame George Bush for the feelings towards Americans. I felt that in France in 1963 and in many parts of Germany from 1961 -63 even though we kept the communists at bay. What you and many others refuse to believe is that there are people who hate us because we have what they are unwilling to work for. They want it without having to go through the efforts.

My problem with the Clinton's is their arrogance toward the American People. When I look at pictures of them and can get a clear picture of their eyes I see nothing but evil. They aren't the only ones that I see this evil in, but it isn't Bush. Bush has had to face problems no other American President has ever had to face. The European Leaders failed with Hitler and their pacifist attitude. They will fail again against Muslim fanatics. Start understanding history, not just reading it.
L.B. | 8:44 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
I think the only comment needed here is "hacuna patata" which translates into "stay the course". Is that really want? Have you looked at who is running on the Republican side recently? The words "gypsies, tramps and thieves" comes to mind(with apologies to all of those groups).
Nuts! | 8:44 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
I heard a lady on the news last night say she has always respected Bill Clinton...???? What?

Respected...and Adulterer? A man who desecrated the White House? A man who lied under oath? A man who smoked Pot, but never inhaled? A man who, like Hilary or not, made a public mockery of the marriage vows/covenant? Resepects a man who ignored all the terrorist activity that led our Nation to where it is now? That someone else had to clean up the messes ten years later?

Hilary? Not once iota of experience leading anyone...not more than 14 people, whom she now has under her. A woman that lied and supported a husband that deceived her too? All to maintain her own chance at some power. Hilary? A woman that was laughed out of position by even her own party and the Republicans for her ridiculous approach to health care when slick willy was president?

She says she has always dreamed of fighting for children...what? Someone who always fights for children dedicates their life to children...she has dedicated her life to positioning herself for power...that's it.

Good Heavens People...Wake the heck up! She would put this nation into a financial tailspin.
scary liberals | 8:55 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
I just love how the liberal haters throw out the whole "higher taxes" thing to discredit anything that any democrat wants to do.

Pay attention folks - who do you think is payin our way right now? Ya, lets not raise taxes, instead lets borrow money from China...

Intelligent. It's ok to borrow and mortgage ourselevs to the hilt (how conservative is that?)-- I'm just not sure that's gettin it right, either.
Just Crazy, I Think? | 9:05 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
No, the people of Utah won't blow a gasket if Hillary becomes president. But if she takes away our lively hood, (Coal Mining and Power Plants) with Big National Monuments, then yes, we may have to blow a BIG GASKET! Carbon, Emery, Wayne, Seiver, Garfield counties will all suffer!
Bipartisan | 9:07 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Re: "I love it" - "but the best part would be the utahn blow a gasket" (what?...and "we're incredibly ill informed?") - "Failed policies of the last seven years. I love reading liberal posts, never any substance they just throw out some sentence they heard from their favorite actor/rap artist/Rocky Anderson, and regurgitate it until someone tells them a new one. Immoral?...can you really say that with a straight face in reference to what we put up with under the "Clinton's"...let's see whitewater, rape/sexual assault allegations, lying under oath regarding another sexual allegation, FBI filegate, Chicoms (do you even know what either filegate or the Chicom scandal alleged?) and I could go on and on. Would I "choke out a lung" if Hillary is elected President?...probably, but it will be due to my serious concern as to what it will mean for this country. These are serious times that deserve serious candidates.

Anonymous | 9:15 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Hide the Interns!!!!! It seems to me that Bush is the only recent President who bases his decisions on what is right not what is popular. I will continue to have respect for him long after his term is up. That is something I cannot and never will have for the
Clintons! It's too bad that money raised wasn't used for a good cause.
bipartisan | 9:23 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Re: "Scary Liberal" - "Pay attention folks - who do you think is payin our way right now? Ya, lets not raise taxes, instead lets borrow money from China..."

Sometimes talking with a liberal is like trying to teach a Shih Tzu how to sing, "gypsies, tramps and thieves".

I will continue to try however, when Ronad Reagan took over as President of the US(after 4 failed years under Jimmy Carter), he lowered the tax rate,in some cases by as much as half. This created incentives in the economy which created jobs and major increases in net taxable income (look at IBM's taxable income under Carter vs Reagan). Reagan doubled...yes I said doubled tax revenue by lowering taxes. There now I feel better! But no for the record (scary liberal) I don't want to borrow money from China, but nice try.
NCG | 9:43 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
We are not mortaged to the hilt. Any financial statement must contain, assets and liabilities, income and outgo. We are in great shape financially, endless assets and excellent cash flow. Now taxes can suffocate that but not kill it. Taxes affect motivation and movement of money. Will people sit on it or invest it? (The velocity of money) Money put to work means jobs and prosperity. Let's see, Bill and Hilary get lots of money from Chinese, Bill tried to sell Long Beach harbor to the Chinese. Liberals are blocking the develop of nuclear and exploration and development of our own oil. China and others are drilling for oil off our coasts, Russia planted a flag at the bottom of the ocean in the Artic in our neck of the woods. Go right on hanging with these folks, they somehow speak to your world view. Shades of Jimmy Carter, Americans need to sacrifice. I expect I will be able to fend for myself when it's dark and cold. How about you?
Bitter Repulicans | 9:47 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
It's intereting to read the comments of mostly bitter Republicans. It's so hard for you isn't it, to open up your minds to a woman, a Democrat and new ideas.
It's soon time for the Republican party to step aside and make way for new ideas. And no, Bill Clinton's presidency wasn't perfect, but it was certainly better than the situation we have now under Republican rule.
And Hillary is not her husband, although I think it's great he's helping her. She's got some great ideas and no, we won't have a bill saying that a spouse can't get into office if their spouse was in. We live in the United States of America where all are supposed to get a free chance at life. Goodness, people!
I'm certainly glad that Hillary is going to get a better reception in Utah than her husband did. It seems we have some open minded people here after all!
I'm in the "Friends of Hillary" group.
Go Hillary!
Lamonte | 9:55 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Bipartisan - "These are serious times that deserve serious candidates" So I guess you saw the re-run of "American President" last night too. Try a little originality.
Not in Utah | 10:00 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Clinton is not a hit in Utah. Poor headline. He's a hit for a small minority, a very small minority. Remember this is the same man that made half of sounthern Utah a National monumnet without confering with the governor of the state. In fact he even denied that he was working towards that end. This is a bad man with bad motives and no scruples. In addition he's the one who started the campain to remove Sadaam Hussein becasue he had "weapons of mass destruction". That was his very argument to bomb a "pharmacy". Does this ring a bell to anyone?
Wow. | 10:08 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Either Rush Limbaugh is writing all of these comments, or a lot of you need to repent for acting un-Christlike.


Clinton/Sheehan 2008
Sad | 10:13 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
It is so sad to see people defend Bush. The reason is always that he isn't evil. Is Hilary Clinton evil? Can you guys hear what you're saying? It's probably better if you think before you decide that you're voting for the "less evil" candidate.

Why don't you look at what their political platform is? Why don't you notice that Bush just wants to take away constitutional rights and keep us all scared of the evil Muslims. Hopefully you can realize that most Muslims do not want to actually kill us. Those are extremists. Also keep in mind that there is a reason that we are the lease popular nation in the world.
ImForChange | 10:16 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Bill Clinton was a great president. Period. I would take our country in the shape it was when he left office over 1 second of what the current village idiot has done for two terms.
bipartisan | 10:22 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
RE: Lamonte - Sorry never saw American President. Originality?...that's all you got? Come on...you can do better than that. Please...that's pretty pathetic. How about actually posting something with some substance, any liberals out there with some substance??? My...my...my it is scary to me that you people vote! Come on, put something out there with some facts that you can back up, not just some cute little put down. I have posted plenty of subtance in my previous posts...see how far you get before you make a fool out of yourselves with an attempt at saying something with 'so called' substance.
dcc | 10:22 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
It will be great when Hillary Clinton has the power of the Patriot Act. You know, the power to spy on Americans.
racer | 10:32 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
I can't wait to have a woman as president...Hillary is the best choice for a country that is trillions of dollars in debt because the second Bush is trying to finish what the first Bush started. And Osama is still on the loose! Also, people need to learn to do for themselves and quit laying around waiting for the government to take care of them. Utahns need to vote with their heads and not their religion.
Bitter Republicans? | 10:39 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Mr./Ms. Bitter Republican - first of all, thanks for reinforcing the idea that Republicans are all sexists/racist/bigots/hatemongers/intolerant. I know this might hurt your brain but most Republicans would welcome a woman. We just wouldn't welcome a socialist.

Secondly, Hillary is not a democrat she is a "progressive" - her new term for Socialist. Maybe you don't get your own party. There are two democrats. The old-school Southern Democrat which are American-value democrats (which our Jim Matheson would fall under-he is a good man and mostl would agree is working hard for our state). Then there are the New-England Social Democrats (which Hillary leads that class of democrat). It is this class of democrat that has clearly stated their intention to socialize America. I am sorry, but I have lived in Europe and if I wanted socialism, I would have stayed there.

You got one thing right - HIllary is not Bill. Bill, was closer to Southern Democrat than Social Democrat (other than his idea that oral sex is not sex thing). If anyone thinks Hillary is even remotely close to Bill in how they would push things you are in for a big surprise.

bipartisan | 10:45 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
RE: Sad and Wow - Let's see again...any substance out there. Now we need to "repent for acting unchristian like", and oh...we are "scared of the evil muslims". "Hopefullly you can realize that most Muslims do not actually want to kill us".

Where do I start...most of those muslims that don't actually want to kill us, are actually glad that we are over there, and tired of the old degrading (especially of women) tyranical ways that their leaders have heaped on them. I have had several conversations with some of my very good muslim friends "that don't want to kill me" (but thanks for letting me know that there are muslims that don't want to kill me...not sure exactly where that came from). As for the repent unchristian like comment...yawn. Come on people a little substance. Think before you write don't just react.
Socializer | 10:54 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Finally! The world socialism came out. People who don't understand it are always using it to scare people into thinking it is "un-American." It is not. We already have socialized schools, libraries, police and fire departments and semi-socialized postal system.

America is already very socialized. Don't get scared off by the word-- it is not un-American to take care of the sick and weak and lowly is it? If it is, then I'll write you from Australia.
bipartisan | 11:11 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Re: Racer - "People need to vote with their heads and not their religion". Of course now everyone that doesn't think the way Racer does, only does it because of their religion, a little bigoted I would say. Hey, Racer...what religion am I. I do not consider my spirituality to be an issue here, I actually have not been to a church for probably 25 years, although I do admit that I get down on my knees and thank god for what I have, and ask for his guidance and blessings...have great respect and love for all people regardless of religious affiliation tend to look at the individual not the building they go into on sunday or other mass groupings that people tend to heap on others. I like a previous poster have a great deal of respect for southern democrats would even consider voting for Joe Lieberman, now there is someone that thinks for himself.
Sam | 11:23 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
That's the whole problem bipartisan, while saying you don't think religion is an issue here, you make it very clear with the rest of you comment that it is. That is not the problem, the fact that you fail to see it is.
Socializer? | 11:30 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Socialism is Un-American. These socials programs are continually creeping into our system and never should have to begin with. The federal government was created to protect it's citizens. So, yes, the military is very American. The police and fire are controled by the state not feds but I would say yes, that is American. Libraries-not federal either but controlled by city, counties and state - I have not issue with this. But . . .

Federal control over schools - un-American. Local communities should have control over what their kids learn not socialists from New England. Redistribution of wealth - entirely un-American. Social Healthcare - un-American, the federal government should not be in charge of our hospitals. I have lived in a socialist country and US hospitals are so much better.

Now, here you go with your manipulation - You infer that socialist programs are the only way to take care of the poor, sick and needy. If you think that is true, then, please, move to Australia.
bipartisan | 11:37 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Socializer - I don't want to make any assumptions here, but have you ever lived in a country with a real socialized system of government...everyone is poor...and the tax revenue is such that no one really gets taken care of. There is no real incentive for anything, and health care...you are kidding me right, and don't give me Scandanavia, germany and denmark or Canada...please. One of my good friends is from Germany, it is killing them. Do I think we need to come up with real solutions to our current system...sure, but come on. I have lived under socialized programs myself, please. You take incentive out of our economy and continue to 'share the wealth' (so to speak, it should be share the loss of wealth) and increase taxes, and our economy will tank, countries will pass us by like we are standing still...and then you can wave at me in the breadlines.
TYLER | 11:37 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
To G.T Grandma and everyone. Not to be rude, but I think you forget that a president cannot, nor did he alone make the decision to go to war. The decision to go to war was congress'. And guess who has voted for everything Iraq war since it began...Hillary Clinton! She recently voted against funding our troops in Iraq with new weapons, etc that are sure to save lives. She then turned around and said that she cares about our troops more than Bush, despite her action that could've caused their deaths!

And for those who believe Bush doesn't care, Thanksgiving 2003 when it was significantly dangerous to fly over hostile territory, he risked his life to go to Iraq and meet the troops and spent hours with them, simply thanking each and every one of them. People can say a lot about Bush, but he does care.
bipartisan | 11:57 a.m. Nov. 5, 2007
RE: Sam - what? Did you even read my post, and evaluate it logically? My point is that Racer is grouping people that are conservative as thinking from a religious standpoint, my point was that I don't group people that way, in fact it is a form of bigotry, and as MLK said "judge people on the content of their character not the color of their skin"...and I would add (no offense to Martin Luther King) their religious beliefs. Are you saying that only those with no real religious beliefs can truly think for themselves? We should leave it up the atheists..agnostics? Not sure what you are trying to say.

and: "That is not the problem, the fact that you fail to see it is". Whew...you got me there Sam...can you explain what you just said?
Run, Condie, Run!!! | 12:03 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007
If we're ready for a woman president, how about one with MORALS? One with management experience, who isn't so stupid that she "loses" legal documents in her own bedroom (or, rather, who doesn't think that WE are so stupid as to believe that story)!

Hillary wouldn't stand a chance against Condoleeza Rice.

Rice in 2008!

Why does she need to raise funds | 12:04 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Can't she just do a couple more cattle-futures deals?
Leni10 | 12:18 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007
It's so sad to see how divided americans are just because of two people. I'm not american but I've learned to love this nation that was home for almost 20 years. Most of you probably haven't lived outside of the US but as a foreigner I can tell you that all who hate you or your nation doesn't hate it because of GWB. They hate it because of what your nation stands, which is freedom and it may sound crazy but that's true. People from countries where they want to rule without rules like Castro, Chavez, Evo Morales the Hitler's of our time. But most of you can't see that because the only reality you know is yours What happened Sept. 11 was extremely sad, but I can assure you that if Pres.Bush doesn't fight where he is fighting now you'll have all those car bombings right where you live. I've experienced terrorism first hand and that's why I moved to USA. I love that saying "One Nation under God" and for your sake and your love ones I hope America remains that way. the destruccion of a family or a nation comes from within first. Remember that.
laughable | 12:32 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007
TYLER said:

"And for those who believe Bush doesn't care, Thanksgiving 2003 when it was significantly dangerous to fly over hostile territory, he risked his life to go to Iraq and meet the troops and spent hours with them, simply thanking each and every one of them. People can say a lot about Bush, but he does care. "


Yeah, that Bush, a real war hero. LOL.
Hillary is Democrat | 12:34 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007
Yes, you are right there are lots of different types of Democrats, but Hillary is one. There are also lots of different types of Repulicans. I was talking to the ones that can't seem to see that the right-wing Republicans have problems. If you are not one of those...great! I hope that the others will be able to live in the real world when their type of world comes crashing down.
GOP for Hilary | 12:40 p.m. Nov. 5, 2007
As a Republican, I have to say that I am 99% disolusioned with the GOP. GW Bush and his cabinet have been a total and complete disaster. They have carelessly involved us in a never ending "Vietnam style" war in Iraq that has taken nearly 4000 of our bravest and highest trained miliary personel with little comprehesion of the consequences. The dollar cost of this ugly war is beyond comprehension and the negative impact to our ability to fight the "real war on terror" has been devastating. The economy is shrinking due to Bush's "out source jobs to India" support. Social Security has been left in a heap of garbage with no long term solution in site and health care is out of reach for more and more Americans. If Mit Romney were electable then my vote would go there however because of the propaganda of the far right extremists in the GOP Mit's nomination will never happen. It is TIME FOR A CHANGE. I never thought I would say this but Hilary gets my vote!!!!

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