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Hypnotist's show in Logan sends girl to the hospital

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dennis | 12:35 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

Repeat the same thing over and over, ie., liberals are bad, liberals are bad, liberals are bad, liberals are ...
Wait a minute! Is Rush Limbaugh a hypnotist?!!!

Cleetorn | 12:58 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

RE: hypnobirthng
Yours is a pretty tacky and lame plug for vouchers - as though both the students and administrators of private schools are above participating in or advocating such activity. Who are you trying to kid? Based on this alone, I would vote agaist the voucher bill.
RE: This "excellent" article
It seems to me that there is quite the witch hunt going on with little or no information regarding the circumstances of this poorly reported incident. In order to really clear this whole mess up properly, I have to concur with "YOU FIRED." We had better clean the whole house out by getting rid of everyone directly, indirectly or even distantly connected with any of these people for any reason or for no reason at all. That should do it.

RE: to WHICH STANDARD | 12:57 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

THis was a homecoming activity. It was not during the school day. It was an after school activity, so Im guessing none of those students were there to learn.

But yes I will have to agree with everyone else...The girls had to have been faking. Life in Logan must be boring I can imagine, afterall.

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Ernie Pyle | 1:09 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

This story is more suited for the ï¿½Goober Gazetteï¿½ than the Deseret News. I thought the DN was supposed to be a legitimate paper . . . .

Anonymous | 1:17 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

"get rid of everyone directly..." Hmmm. I think I now know how The Great Flood story got it's origin.

Question about hypnotherapy | 1:27 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

Since there seem to be quite a fwe people posting that are knowledgeable on this subject I have a question that I've always wondered about:

Is it true that if you undergo hypnotherapy and are asked to recall suppressed traumatic childhood memories that you could potentially create an untrue memory in your mind if there was no real event that occured?

I have a relative who underwent hypnotherapy and supposedly recalled her father abusing her as a child. Before hypnosis she had never thought of this having happened to her. After her hypnotherapy she is convinced that this happened. The rest of the family was appalled and passed it off as her imagination and a fault of hypnosis. How would an expert explain this?

Dan | 1:43 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

Once I was hypnotized and...cluck...cluck...cluck...cluck....cluck...cluckI felt pretty relaxed when suddenly...cluck...cluck...cluck.

Blah blah blah. Weak minds. Pathetic.

your eyes are getting heavy ... | 2:14 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

"Ya know that the hypnotized never lie." - from "Won't get fooled again." - The Who
Well said, rockers.

Michael Ellner | 2:20 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

To answer your question: False Memories can and do occur under hypnosis.

A big part of the problem is that just being a psychiatrist or therapist does not mean the licensed health care provider is well trained or qualified to practice hypnosis.

This is clearly evidenced by the tens of thousands of people who fabricated false memories of sexual abuse under their doctor's hypnotic direction and "care". One can only imagine the great pain this caused the patients and the patients loved ones.

Consulting Hypnotists and Medical Hypnotists certified by credible hypnosis certification organizations like the National Guild of Hypnotists and the International Medical and Dental Hypnotherapy Association are trained to use hypnosis to help people help themselves and not to project their expectations or beliefs on their clients.

Michael Ellner
Hypnosis Educator

AAA | 2:40 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

Jedi mind tricks only work on the week minded!

Carlos | 3:01 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

Man! Where did the last five minutes go?

The Buddha Way | 3:02 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

I think people spend too much time worrying about the unconscious state. Focusing on one's breathing and nothing else can bring you back to the here and now. - His Holiness, The Dalai Lama

John | 3:06 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

ok....first off, this article is VERY poorly written, and has absolutley no information whatsoever. It almost appears as though the writer has an agenda, and is terrified of hypnotism.....and also has no idea of how it works or what its benefits can be. Everyone reading this article also, should realize that the ONLY way you CAN be hypnotized is IF you WANT to be. Period. Then, you STILL CANNOT be made to do anything against your will....you'll simply "pop" out of trance.
I've experienced some beautiful trances, and some VERY helpful ones too. It's a crying shame that such uninformed prejudiced people are in such a position to print such poor quality, uninformative articles, that can, and probably WILL damage this PROFFESIONAL'S career.
Read up for yourselves, and you'll see how SAFE and entertaining this is.

john

Commoncent$ | 3:30 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

To alot of this I laugh the fact is i beleave that the girl whanted to be hipnotized(sorry for spelling) how ever deep down she was stressed and whanted to relax, so she fought comming out of it and some how probbly stopped her heart.
I can make my self day deam and slow my heart rate it whouldn't be to hard.

commoncent$ | 3:36 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

After reading these i have to say that deep down she whanted to relax so she fought comming out of it. not to hard to belive and through it all fighting to stay in a trance she could of say coused it herself.
I can slow my hart rate and have relistic daydreams by my own infuince. Not to hard realy.

Anonymous | 3:43 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

Slem witch trials were about girls wanting attention so the Puritans burned them? Please. It was religious zealots and fear. Let's rewrite history if it makes our argument.

Of course people do things against their will under hypnosis. It can remove inhibitions like previosly stated. I think the hypnotist has a lot of friends posting here to avoid a law suit.

Anonymous | 3:44 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

We are getting very sleepy ... our eyes are getting heavy ... we are giving in to authoritarianism left and right ... ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz!

Huh? | 3:55 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

Wait, where am I? I think I'm stuck again!

what the ...? | 4:23 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

His Holiness The Dalai Lama is receiving a Congressional Medal today in Washington for his tireless work for mankind. Only one or two posted their thoughts on this subject. This hypnotism subject has 70 times more postings. Who said this community was not up on important current events?

dude | 4:31 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

After reading other comments I think that hypnosis is an evil thing. What good does hypnosis do anyways??

Who-Dini | 4:48 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

What kind of irresponsible school leaders allowed such an activity? They should be punished. Hypnotism is just plain quackery, and the "young women" are playing games. The "hypnotist" should be out of a job because such fraudulent nonsense deserves to be eliminated.

Luis Miranda | 4:49 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

I gotta agree. Dalai Lama receives a great award, and Mr. Capecci receives the Nobel Prize... Yet Idiotic topics like this get all that fan fare.

Hypnosis is possible, and it is a double edge sword, that can be used for evil, or for good. Uses for good are related to positive mental reinforcement as well as others. Uses, or what I shall call misuses when you do hypnotism for fun, or for abuse. Hypnosis is simple when practiced, and Dalai Lama would be able to tell you about the hypnosis being positive, as monks use it several times a day to manage mental energy.

Once in Logan funny enough, people were playing with hypnosis around the group I was with, and just like drugs, I said no thank you. Understand people, hypnosis is no joke, as we are playing with the permanent memory of people and one little mistake or abuse can change the life of a human being forever. Don't do it if you don't know what you are doing.

And Dalai Lama, thanks for everything you have brought for humanity. Free Tibet, and keep using hypnosis for the good!

Won't get it | 5:15 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

Watch people whine about this: When the Dalai Lama was in Utah he had a hand in changing a lot of lives by his mere presence. The Buddha of compassion is he. Something people in Utah will never get if they live to be a hundred.

Ohmmmm | 5:18 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

Actually formal meditation is the practice of ultimately understanding that we do not exist in the way we think we do. And to realize this the "monkee-mind" must be silenced. Lots of monkee-minds right here on this blog.

Standards reply | 5:26 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

Many homecoming activities happen during the day. Volleyball games happen all day long during PE, Intramurals, and Sports PE. Unless you were there or know someone who was, knowing this was an after school activity is an assumption. The article does not say.

Either way, this was a school sanctioned activity, at a school, unless all of the kids got a key and snuck in with a hyptnotist?

Kids getting raped at East High School w/no supervision, hypnotism in school, WHY ARE WE SENDING KIDS TO SCHOOL FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE?

No wonder people are clamoring for vouchers and private schools. My wife and I are both teachers, members of UEA, born and raised Utahns that taught in CA for 20 plus years, just moved back, and I cannot believe what is happening in the schools. And the parents are just letting these things slide by. Hypnotists telling me it can't happen doesn't mean squat (they're quacks). This was real to the girl.

What are the administrators at these schools thinking? This would never happen at the schools or districts we both taught at. Administrators need to clean up their schools and districts. These are minors.

Adult Accountability???

what about... | 5:30 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

I thought the article was interesting (obviously got many people interested enough to comment).

I think there's probably a logical explanation for what happened. I just hope we get it someday.

To those "Experts" who say you can't do anything you normally wouldn't under hypnosis... What about those with a deathly fear of spiders, etc who get hypnotised and then have no problem handling them?

Sounds like there's a little bunk in that theory.

I've been leary of hypnotist-entertainers ever since I heard a story from a conspiracy-theory-conisur friend of mine say that he's seen reports of a hypnotists (local to SLC) leaving suggestions with his audience that most parents would not appreciate, and trying to manipulate them with suggestions during his show.

Probably bunk, but I don't totally ignore it.

Power of Suggestion | 5:39 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

There are certain types who are easily hypnotized. Aren't they all living in Utah? (wink) But seriously, some people can not be told to do something they would not otherwise do by themselves. But a clever hypnotist can suggest something like, "it is a hot day ... you are boiling in those heavy clothes of yours ... you can guess the rest.

Come On "What about..." | 5:41 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

"I think there's probably a logical explanation for what happened. I just hope we get it someday".

This is the attitude with most Utah parents. What, does each family have so many kids they don't mind if they lose one here or there?

Kids are precious.

Drop It!!! | 8:29 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

I think everyone should leave this girl alone and think about how you would want your own children treated, especially if there is a medical condition involved. There is always two sides to every story and you may not understand one side and further more it sounds like this a family matter and does not concern the general public.

Anonymous | 8:35 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

Hellooooo... Hypnosis is NOT the same thing as meditation. wake up now!

re: Drop It | 9:02 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

"does not concern the general public".????

That's why it is in the paper.
Help us protect our children.

Reply to Standard | 10:40 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

It was reported the Herald Journal that it was in the evening, not during school hours, and attendance was completely voluntary. If you want the school administrators being held accountable, what about the parents that allowed their children to attend the activity? Where is their accountability? They should know where their children are going and what they're doing.

Bob | 10:41 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

Stare deeply at my post.

Relax.

Read each letter and let it sink deeeeeeply into your brain.

Draw a picture of it.

Gently close your eyes and sink back into your chair.
Breathe deeply.

When I count to three you will waken and have no memory of this post except that you will feel a strong need to worship Bob and give him money if he should happen to mention that stupid article about hypnosis in the Des News.

One, two--three! Snap!

Crazy Chicken | 10:55 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

I was at a Vegas show 20 + years ago, the dude hypnotized me...

To this day I scream like a little girl when i see a chicken!!!

Hypnotism is NO LAUGHING MATTER!!!

CLASSIC:)

Hypnosis unbeliever | 11:56 p.m. Oct. 16, 2007

Ok, I am going to confess here. I went to a hypnotist show when I was in high school. Like many kids this age, I was eager to make my friends laugh. I pretended to be hypnotized so that I could act as rediculously as possible. Hypnotism is FAKE!! Nothing more than an opportunity for harmone raging youth to have an excuse to be obnoxious and get away with it. Hypnotist shows are rediculous!

JJ | 7:11 a.m. Oct. 17, 2007

From the hypnotist shows that I attended (one of which was a fundraiser by the cheeleaders in my high school) when I was younger I remember a few of things. First, that there was usually an initial phase where people that wanted to participate went up on stage and the hypnotist did a very basic excercise to select people that were more likely to fall into the hypnotic state.

Second, once the participants were selected, the hypnotist would put those people into a hypnotic state, and most of the shows I went to, people sitting in the audience who were not originally selected would allow themselves to be hypnotized and the hypnotist would have to take them up on stage, because he didn't want to take the time to get one or two people out of the hypnotic state.

Then it was always said that people would not do anything that was against their individual morals. Guess what, there is a difference between doing something that you normally wouldn't do in front of people is different then doing something against your core morals.

why no name? | 8:48 a.m. Oct. 17, 2007

I'm pretty sure that the article doesn't include the hypnotist's name because if it did, a hysterical mob numbering three thousand souls would be marching toward his house with torches as we type.

Watcher | 10:48 a.m. Oct. 17, 2007

I have been practicing hypnosis since I was age 8. I was taught by my grandfather. Hypnotized dogs, cats, birds, and anything that would allow itself to be. No single person (or animal) that I ever met stayed hypnotized more than a few moments, because eventually they would fall asleep and wake up like nothing happened.

This is a belief created by the Hollywood industry of the 60's. After all, hypnosis is nothing more than an altered state of sleep. A person that goes to a Medical/Hypnotherapist, must go many times in order to show progress. Which means that the message must be re-enforced constantly. Hypnotic regression just like dreams is as real to the subject as they want it to be. Except that the therapist needs to choose the correct language so as not to influence the subject.

On the other hand, Utah? Like the Bible belt, if it doesn't conform to their belief then it must be evil. I'm sure at some point someone saw or felt Satan somewheres in there. I bet not a single one of them can tell how many times hypnosis is referred to in their Bibles. Hmm...

I saw you Hypno-Unbeliever | 1:34 p.m. Oct. 17, 2007

Hypnosis Unbeliever,

I think I was at that show. There were about 20 people on the stage including you. Based on the way you acted compared to everyone else on the stage, I could tell you were not hypnotized. I was glad when you left the stage in the middle of the show and didn't come back.

Anyone who has seen these shows can tell they're not fake. It's scary to think that people can be hypnotized. There was one girl on stage that impressed me though. The hypnotist had a pair of glasses. He made the participants believe they could see through clothing. When this girl was given the opportunity to look in them, she refused. When the guy next to her got them, she ripped them off his face. Obviously she had standards that she wouldn't go against.

Ifakedthem | 4:03 p.m. Oct. 17, 2007

I went to Logan High School years ago and was called on stage to be hypnotized in a similiar show.
After putting each participant in a trance,the Hypnotist walked behind all of us and rated how deeply we were "Under" by holding up fingers from one to three. I was sitting next to the most beautiful girl in the school and didn't want to leave the stage so I FAKED being under his spell Completely. I was given the highest rating of three.

We were so deeply intranced that a chain reaction occured sending each person to the floor piled on top of the person next to them. My head was on the stomach of this beautiful girl and I was in no way going to give away that I was faking.

A little later in the show I caught eyes with my buddy who was also a participant. It immediately was evident he was also faking.

After the show, talking amongst ourselves we discovered most of the guys were faking and doing stupid stuff just to be next to the most beautiful popular girls in school. I am not saying Hypnotism isn't real but sometime's it is faked.

HypnosisWorksVermont | 9:01 a.m. Oct. 18, 2007

This business about what is hypnosis doing being in schools? why aren't the parents informed? etc. is a red herring. I sometimes substitute teach for my local high school. I had to get trained for this -not a lot, but 2 hours or so- and part of that training was about ways to restore discipline or handle problems in the classroom. One of the techniques taught was 'creative visualization.' That is: hypnosis. So it's in the school systems without harm, every day. It's the same stuff I use every day in my hypnotherapy practice. Nike advertises shoes with it, 'Just Do It,' and the Milk Board does it with 'Got Milk.' As Shakespeare wrote: "A rose by any other name..."

To Vermont Quack | 12:12 p.m. Oct. 18, 2007

Duh, "creative visualization" is NOT hypnosis! Your so-called hypnotherapy practice is a sham. Go back to a real university and get a real education and you will have your eyes open.

From - a practicing, PhD-level Clinical Psychologist

hypno ANSWER | 3:06 a.m. Oct. 19, 2007

Here's What really happened

O.J Had Something to Do with it!

truth | 3:08 a.m. Oct. 19, 2007

What really happened is that the hypnotist told the gorls that John CArey was giving a speach and they were getting zapped by the college school cops by a tazer
and so they freaked out!!!

Katherine Zimmerman | 8:00 a.m. Oct. 19, 2007

I was hypnotized at a party when I was about 18. I liked how I felt and CHOSE to stay in that state. The hypnotist counted me out several times but I was enjoying the relaxation so I just stayed relaxed. At no time was I in any danger nor did I do or say anything that I wouldn't have otherwise. At the end of the evening the hypnotist gave me a suggestion that I would sleep soundly and wake up feeling wonderful. I accepted that suggestion and felt great in the morning.

Today I am a certified clinical hypnotherapist with 18 years experience. What I can see from all these comments is that people need to be educated about hypnosis. It is a safe and powerful way to make changes.

Norann-www.hypmagic.net | 3:58 a.m. Jan. 3, 2008

While there is a term know as a hypnotic coma, it is very rare and is dedicated to one person, rather than a group. All hypnotist are not created equal, many take video course or weekend seminars and have no true skill or calling for this field. As well as no two subjects are the same. A simple suggestion, would have taken that person out of any deep hypnosis in seconds. With my experience and background, I know enough to learn the pitfalls of live performance, some have to learn the hard way. There should be no need however for fear or distrust (unless factual) for hypnosis or it's many users, students and true experts. It's fun, safe and proven and approved by the AMA (since 1959). It's used by law-enforcement, medical personal, sports teams, universities and of course for stage comedy situations. I feel if you followed up with the "patient/hypnosis subject, you would find that hypnosis had no role in her/their needing to be hospitalized, instead of creating an urban legand, get documentation from the ER and get the facts! By the way, all the folks on my stage are complete volunteers...it's called free will!

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