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Mike Beal | 12:31 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

Any chance you brothers and sisters in Utah would like a Senator..... We have one we would like to trade!!!!

Republican enemies | 12:41 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

Isn't it interesting that Mormons have so blindly followed the Republicans for years when it was the same Republican Party during the 19th century that tried to destroy the LDS Church because of polygamy. Wasn't polygamy one of the twin relics of barbarism, along with slavery, that the Republican Party sought to destroy?

BC | 12:44 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

Spell check hint to one of the posts on this blog containing an otherwise admirable attempt to both use and refer to civility in engaging in a discussion:
The latin phrase referring to personal attack is spelled "Ad Hominem". The complete phrase is "Argumentum Ad Hominem" and is translated "argument against the man".
"Homonym", interestingly is a member of group of words with the same spelling or pronunciation, but different meaning. Hence "homonym" is a homonym of "hominem" (more or less).
Amusing.

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Forum vs. Commencement | 12:49 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

Also, please realize folks, this was a forum, not a commencement address - this distinction is necessary to understanding the context behind the comments by Reid and Cheney. A forum is purposely focused on more secular topics; it is usually an opportunity for BYU to invite a specialist or expert to discuss his/her research and experience. So it very well makes sense that Reid would discuss politics, as this is his occupation and expertise. So please understand the differences in the settings for these discourses in your disparaging comments against Reid.

Anonymous | 12:52 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

Are people seriously continuing to defend the ill-fated justifications Bush used for his premptive strike on Iraq? Again I ask, where were the WMDs?

KingM | 1:13 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

If you believe that abortion is wrong, but the spirit is eternal (as is the LDS belief system), shouldn't you be happy when non-religious people have abortions? After all, this just gives these spirits a better chance of being born into an LDS family (or at least some other Christian family).

FDR vs W | 1:48 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

Brother Reid says that FDR is his hero and that W is the worst president ever. But FDR did all the same things that Reid hates about W, only he did them much worse.
1. After 12/7 FDR gets Congress to approve war with Japan. He then goes and wages an illegal war with Italy and Germany who had nothing to do with 12/7, distracting him from the real goal of bringing justice to the perpetrators of 12/7.
2. FDR wastes the lives of 182,070 American soliders in his illegal war with Italy and Germany. The real war with Japan only cost 106,207. (And these are only the combat deaths.)
3. FDR abuses civil liberties with severe rationing, controls on free speech (both individual and press), wiretapping, surveillance, and the racist seizure of property and interment of Japanese Americans in concentration camps without charges or trial.
4. FDR starts his own WMD program and tests it on American soil, and effectively against American citizens.
I guess W just hasn't gone far enough to gain Brother Reid's approval.

Marisa | 2:08 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

I think I'll start worrying more about healthcare and global warming when President Hinckley starts making statements about them. So far, the Church has made statements about the damaging effects that abortion and same-gender attraction have on our society. I guess I'll just have to stick to my conservatism.

Anonymous | 2:15 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

The gospel is perfect not the people!

anonymous | 3:19 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

I love it when people get all preachy on these blogs.

Separation | 3:20 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

At least one person has mentioned "Seperation of Church and State" - I don't have time to read every comment so I just wanted to post a fact here in case anyone else is thinking about it. There's nothing in the Constitution that mentions "Separation of Church and State." What it says is, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof." That's the first line in the First Amendment. That doesn't mean that a President or other elected official can't be religious, or be guided by their own personal beleifs, but rather that the government is to establish no official religion of the US.

I beleive it's possible to be a Mormon and a Democrat. I also beleive it's possible to profess Mormon (or any other religion) beleifs without being a true Christian. Most of our Founding Fathers called themselves Democrats (because they were rebelling againt the Monarchy - they wanted a Democracy) and they were all Christians. Sadly, politics and religion have both changed a lot since then.

That being said I'm dissapointed - but not surprised - by Mr. Reid's remarks.

ashamed!!!! | 3:37 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

I am ashamed at the backbiting and sniping going on towards a fellow church member! Agree, don't agree - whatever! Brother Reid is our brother and has as strong a testimony as anybody I know. I would be honored if he was my home teacher, or bishop or even stake president!

Anonymous | 3:55 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

Right on "ashamed"! Render onto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and ... (you know the rest)
But don't tell this to some of these angry posters. It might freak them out.

johnny cobert | 4:38 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

I have read a goodly amount of the wave of rhetoric generated by Senator Reid. If nothing else, he has raised us from our bed of lethargy. It does boil by brain chemistry, though, to be told I am a "self-righteous hypocrite" because I am against abortion and in favor of the death penalty. In my layman's mind, these two issues are not on the same side of the plate. Interesting that the individual who brought this out DID NOT identify themselves. I admit, with no reservation, that I am active LDS and live in Texas. Only lived in Utah when I went to BYU many moons ago. I am not an intellectual. Some of the good folks who have made comments here could blow me out of the water with their superior ability to voice rethoric. Bottom line, Senator Reid did not sway me one little bit. I am now more firmly entrenched in my determination to follow the counsel of my leader, President Hinckley and whoever
may succeed him till the day I die. Call me brainwashed or whatever you choose. That's OK. My thinking is, if I do this I will be safe.

Read the Speech | 4:47 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

I read Harry Reid's speech online. It is not as caustic as it some in here are saying but it is also pretty boring. I am glad Reid has strong testimony of the gospel and expressed that in his speech. But overall it is a run of the mill "I spoke at BYU on Tuesday" address.

Senator Reid's support of US military personnel has been limited and the speech showed that with his chatter about commendable service and mentioning how great the Peace Corps and VISTA programs are in his opinion and comparing them to King Benjamin plea to help you fellow beings. He didn't express anywhere in his speech that serving in the military was honorable or even an option to serve your country.

His mention that there would be more LDS democrats in the future seemed a bit bold considering the latest platform of his party is one of the least friendly to those who are members of the LDS church.

Reid is boring but Mormon and I am sure God loves him as much of anyone else on earth.

anonymous | 5:34 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

Isn't it sad what is happening in this country?
After 9/11 the country was united. Today it's liberal v conservative; dem v repub; and even Mormon v Mormon. These truly must be the last days.

Anti-crony | 5:38 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

Any reasonable reading of Utah history would show that Mormon beliefs (in the early years) fall more in the communitarian camp than the supposed "free market" camp of supposed conservatives. It's "Republican v Democrat" devisiveness promoted by the "powers that be" and fooling the public with fake sentiments re abortion, gay rights, and immigration that distracts the common voters from the crimes committed against them and in their name by the ruling, "conservative" cronies who keep the common people working harder for less. ONE PARTY government, church and business dominance is bad for the common people. The cronies love it, though. I read their comments, or the comments by their willing shills, everyday to understand this. EVERYTHING, virtually, these cronies say and do goes against and distorts the lessons of our founders.

James | 5:44 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

One should be open minded if one has not investigated and evaluated the options available. The fact that most LDS have similar political views, for those who are confused, is due to the ability of most to understand doctrine in relationship to the political landscape today. Some comments here may seem overzealous but our freedoms and families face threats that are endorsed by Senator Reidï¿½s party.

Much has been made of our LDS leaders with Democrat ties. I do not believe that any of them endorse the democrat agenda. Elder Jensen said a couple of years back that the democrats need LDS people to help shape the party agenda. I donï¿½t think they are having success in accomplishing that.

Much has been made of the hostility of the religious right toward LDS. I can cooperate with them in standing against immorality and corruption without their endorsement of the church. That compares to standing with the democrats which include the drug traffickers, criminals, pedophiles, etc.

We can and should discuss Senator Reid civilly and showing respect. But not every man with good intentions is heading in the right direction.

Al | 5:45 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

Free agancy, free thinkers? How about moral agency and moral thinkers. If more voters had been concerned about morals, Bush and Cheney would not have been elected. We winced at the immorality of the last president of the US but at least he didn't take out the infrastructure of a nation whose government did not attack us. The promise in the Book of Mormon is that if we become an offensive nation we lose the protection of the Lord. We don't go to war to protect our business assets or to expand the "Core" for furthering business. I am contently amazed at how many LdSs do not understand the message of the Book of Mormon. But then again, I don't see enough voters who follow the facts and can critically think.

DCrawford | 7:15 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

I only know Sen. Reid by his works.

1. He stands with those who would destroy the family. I don't care what he professes. You can't get in the pig pen with the pigs without getting some of the pigs on you.

2. Regardless of his position on the war, for him to stand on the floor of the Senate as a leader and state that the war is lost is treasonious.

3. He is openly in favor of forcing me to subsidize social programs and policies that are contrairy to my core beliefs.

4. He supports a "Progressive Judiciary" that will continue to reinterpret the fundamental basis for our laws.

5. He fails to be stand up for the rights of others not of his party.

He is perfect to represent Nevada, The state without a soul. Sen. Reid is proof that not all that happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

Doug Brockbank | 7:15 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

To "Read the Book" above...

What specific stances did President Benson, a former Prophet, make in his teaching us about the "Proper Role of Government" that we should be so threatened by? We should be threatened when the highest ranking Democrat in the Senate...
- Votes against the Marriage Ammendment (endorsed by the Church)
- Says he pro-life but undermines that position by speaking against Alito after that Justice was the swing vote upholding the ban on partial-birth abortion (The Church has an official position against abortion).
- Emboldens our enemy during wartime, and threatens our troops by calling the war "lost" and Bush a "liar".
- Suggests Joseph Smith as a progressive would be a liberal Democrat like him.
- Easily dismisses the importance of family values, protection of the flag, and marriage as being between a man and woman.
- Says a past prophet took us down the wrong path, and thereby undermining his authority.

Therefore, for those who say, "Yes, you can be a ood Mormon and a Democrat (or at least a Democrat like Senator Reid), please explain that to me...

Ace | 7:19 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

Hey, Scotwright, I am with you on this. HE is a complete disgrace to the state of Nevada, Utah and to the LDS church. My family grew up with him and his family in Las Vegas. He was really nice and all that stuff back then, until he got into politics
and now he thinks that he is GOD himself!! Makes me glad that I am not a democrat, if I was, I would change immediately. What he believes in, is not what the church believes in, plain and simple. Harry Reid needs to stop telling people to stop worrying about abortion and other things, HELLO, Harry, who do you think you are?? This is my free- agency and my free-agency tells me that I need to follow the example the church has taught me and what I believe in also. Don't stand there and tell me what I can or cannot believe in. I am sorry that BYU let you come to speak and for you to tell everyone that Bush is wrong, think about your own life and where you went wrong!!!! Stop blaming everyone for YOUR mistakes!!!!!!!!!

Franklin | 7:58 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

There seem to be a lot of recurring themes here. Like, Boy those Utah people sure are dumb - glad I am not (or no longer) one of them. We're glad you are not,also. But give people some credit and stop making blanket judgments.

We shouldn't judge others. I agree we shouldn't judge Sen. Reid personally, but he came to the University and made public political statements. We
can certainly make judgments about those all day long if we want. And I intend to do so.

Democrats really care about people. If you buy into the fallacy that the only way to "care" about people is to demand more taxing and spending on their behalf then I guess this is true. I disagree that compulsory Socialism is the only way to really "show you care" however.

Democrats can be good Mormons too. Of course, what's your point? As regards to Sen. Reid's personal behavior and actions I cannot comment. I know that publicly he has lied, degraded other politicians, supported abortion, gay marriage and socialism. I don't judge him personally, but condemn his public support of these things.

And he is way off track with regard to the military.

Harold | 8:03 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

I am not a member of the LDS church, I was raised in Salt Lake and live in Nevada. Why is it that everyone questions Mitt Romney as being a Mormon, but not Harry Reid. Most people in Nevada and the rest of the nation have no idea he is LDS. I think his attack on the Christian right is disgusting. They are more in line with the LDS Church in their political thinking, than Harry Reid is. I find him to be disgusting and quite frankly a liar.

Bart Mortensen | 8:10 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

Excellent job, Mr. Reid. Me wonders though, what the point is in casting your pearls before so many swine. A vast majority of the posting people here are so out of it that it's a disgrace--and this from a lifelong Republican who has just switched parties. You can only lie to me so many times and I get the point.

Military Historian | 8:38 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

LDS wards/stakes are all over the world. There are LDS members of various political parties. Ask
members in China, Indonesia, India, Ghana, Nigera,the European nations, Central and South America, Japan,etc, what political parties they are members of. Not one of them will say "Utah Republican", and many don't even know what a Republican is. All that is important is that the Gospel is taught and people accept it and live it as best they can with whatever government is in power. You are not asked in any country when you join the church what your political affiliation is at the time of baptism or thereafter. The LDS church is a global church embrasing many cultures, societies and political affiliations. You in Utah who are US Republicans represent a minority of political beliefs worldwide that many in other nations just don't even care about. What I do care about are fellow members of the LDS faith who pontificate the kind of vitriolic fanaticism I have read in some of the above comments, and you wonder how Hitler came to power. Keep it up as your real master enjoys conflict, especially within the church. "Never Again" seems to be lost on you.

anonymous | 8:40 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

Excellent observation Bart Mortensen. These are truly the nastiest of nasty times. What would you expect from a group of people that even slam people trying to help others calling them "do-gooders?"
What can you say? It's a world gone mad.

dpamm | 9:24 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

I've become a "Reagan Democrat". I'm tired of church members criticizing Democrats. At the beginning of WWII most members of the church were Democrats. My mother is a Democrat. You will never find a more faithful Latter-day Saint than my Mother. She's a Democrat because she's a teacher and Republicans don't take responsibility to adequately care for our teachers.

You Republicans should consider whether the Republican Party actually cares more about abortion at all. The issue has become a blurred line. As Sen. Reid stated, he's been pro-life during his entire career. Mitt Romney has been adamantly pro-CHOICE for over 30 years (see his 1994 Senate campaign debate with Ted Kennedy). Rudy Giuliani is pro-choice. Colin Powell is pro-choice. I'm pro-life but it doesn't control my party affiliation as it has for the past 20 years. That's due to the change in position by our Republican party leaders, not a change in my values.

bt | 10:06 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

Lest any of you are actually worried that the title of this article represents BYU as a whole, it doesn't. Those of us BYU students from Nevada who actually know a thing or two about Reid's voting record and political habits were not standing at the door to welcome him with a handshake and a cookie. The standing ovation was given by a few. The minority will always be loud, and that's what gets the headlines. The controversy all over campus the past few days has been hilarious. Pres. Samuelson might have asked us to give him a "warm welcome" in his intro, but rest assured most of us can spot a wolf in sheep's clothing.

And as far as the whole "stop attacking a faithful member of the church" argument goes, would your bishop still be as respectable if he told his congregation that the prophet was leading them astray? Would your mission president be the great man you looked up to if he ignored the council of the brethren and lobbied for gay marriage rights? "Brother in the gospel" or not, he's made some choices that simply aren't congruent with our beliefs.

Chad | 10:08 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

Supreme Court decisions are not irrevocable. That is why I only can support those I know will defend the sanctity of marriage and the life of the unborn. It is a false notion that Supreme Court decisions can never be overturned.

I was there... | 10:38 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

I was there before Mr. Reid's forum address as he took questions from a small group of those of us majoring in political science at BYU.

I was there when he compared his sons' missionary service to serving in the military.

I was there when he told us that when he voted against the Marriage amendment he did it without reservation.

I was there when he told us that the war on terrorism would be won by the Democrats sending over a diplomatic group to talk and reason with the terrorists.

I was there to stand and tell him to his face that the aforementioned idea was extremely ignorant.

I was there to ask him if he truly believed that it would be Democrat policies that would defeat terrorism, then why did Clinton do nothing after the WTC bombings in 1993?

I was there to see the look of shock on his face.

I was there as he "answered" my question by praising Clinton for his "wonderful" foreign policy and blaming President Bush for the rise of Fatah.

And I was there, walking away afterward, thinking that either he doesn't mind lying, or his brain is just wired differently.

Army Guy | 10:47 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

I'm sorry...did Military Historian just equate Utah-LDS-Republicans with Hitler? Wow, maybe your screen name should have been "I don't understand military history..."

Clearly, a lot of the comments on this board are over the top. There are some who probably even regret their postings by now. This is an emotional subject for a lot of people, and it shows. But to suggest that somehow our church members in Utah are paving the way for the rise of another fascist dictator, well, that's just utter ignorance. Who would that Hitler-esque leader even be? Let people vent and go get some perspective.

Nevada Boy | 11:12 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

Senator Reid-what a simpleton. If he really believe the large number of LDS people are republican because of social issues; he has been in DC far to long. The principle of government welfare (something for nothing)which he so loving claims to be based on the LDS doctrine seem far from my understanding of principles of self reliance I have been taught. The modern democratic party wants to remove consequences from people's choice-this to seems opposite of things I have been taught. Being a Nevada native, Senator Reid is in political peril. Every time he seems to be struggling he tries to uses his religion to shore up support. Without republican LDS members in Nevada he cannot get re-elected. The most ironic thing to me, if Mitt gets the republican nod, the democrats will have a hard time using the church as a weapon. Why will it be OK for Senator Reid to be LDS, but not Mitt??

Democrat Mormon | 11:28 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

I'm a Mormon Democrat but I never realized how many people in my own Church are condemning me to hell for being one. Seriously, I feel like I need to reconsider some things, like whether I should be slaving away so much every week for my calling or paying so much of my money every year to tithing, all for a group of people who deep down hate me. Just for perspective, I have a significant Priesthood leadership calling and also have an income in the top 1% of Americans. I didn't go to BYU but I donate to the school and am proud to be affiliated with it through my church membership. But I never realized there was so much hidden vitriole toward members like me who are Democrats. I'll have to remember not to let my kids know about our party affiliation or they'll be bullied right out of Sunday School and nursery. It's a crazy world we live in.

Joe Watts | 11:34 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007

There have been several posts, very sanctimonious posts, that have condemned Senator Reid for voting for the war and then opposing it.

He didn't vote for the war. He got it right! The peacemakers were outvoted by the warmongers---simple as that.

So your condemnation of Senator Reid is based in error----but it won't matter to most of you, because you don't really care about the facts. America can do no wrong with you. The church leaders can do no wrong with you. Facts, truth, and justice be damned.

Senator Reid was the only Mormon in the Senate to vote against the war. To me he is the giant in the room. It may have been the most important vote in the Senate in the past 50 years and only about 30 of them got it right.

Going to war against Iraq was a criminal act---the most heinous crime a nation can commit.

Our flag should be flying at half-mast in mourning of our inglorious and barbarous attack on our innocent brothers and sisters who had never threatened us.

We should be going through 'sack cloth and ashes' repentance ceremonies.

Boy | 12:09 a.m. Oct. 12, 2007

Reid should be praised for some things and booed for others. I am a conservative who is pro choice, but wishes with all my heart that people (women and men) would make better choices concerning their sexual relationships and, if pregnancy resulted, would plead with every woman to keep the baby.

As for the war, I don't think Reid is correct. The war is one of those issues that polarize people. And it's causing a lot of good people to side with Hillary ONLY because Bush has mismanaged the war. This is a bad reason to vote for Hillary. There are plenty of good conservatives who would do a better job (McCain and Giulianni to name a few) with the war.

Taxes: The Book of Mormon says that a 20% tax rate is too high, so I think any candidate that wants taxes above 20% for ALL people is not leading properly in that regard.

anonymous | 7:54 a.m. Oct. 12, 2007

These hate-filled postings towards Brother Reid, clearly show the insane power of right-wing extremists like Rush Limbaugh. I wish his fans would listen to some relaxing music instead.

Will | 10:31 a.m. Oct. 12, 2007

I believe you can be a good member and affliate yourself with whatever party as long as you project your true beliefs.

I wonder how Mr. Reid reconciles himself with the statement "Do you support, affliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints?"

sulla | 11:11 a.m. Oct. 12, 2007

One can be Mormon and [fill in the blank], but CS Lewis' "Screwtape Letters" has it right - when we practice "Christianity AND" rather than "mere Christianity" we fall straight into the eternal enemy's camp.

Dividing into slavering hordes of Democrat-ites and Republican-ites devoted to each others' destruction sounds very familiar to readers of the Book of Mormon. The only correct side is God's, and He has no party. He has only Zion, and if we want to flee to it, we need to drop our rhetorical arms and our warrior spirits and remember that we are brothers and sisters.

Huh? | 11:28 a.m. Oct. 12, 2007

The Book of Mormons says NOTHING about tax rates being "too high"! What kind of fanatic, misinterpretation is that? Give us a break!

Anonymous | 12:04 p.m. Oct. 12, 2007

Mormons must stop quoting CS Lewis. He believed in a Trinitarian theology, and all the wonderful "insights" you Mormons plagiarize from him are based on that Trinitarian doctrine - a doctrine your Elder Holland explicitly rejected and mocked in Conference!

Once again, read the book! | 12:22 p.m. Oct. 12, 2007

In response to my previous post by Doug, all I am saying is for you to understand church history a little better. The McKay biography by Prince is a great illustration of the actual disagreement among the brethren during the 1960s as a result of Benson's flamboyant political beliefs. I am talking members of the Twelve and First Presidency who were very disturbed and in disagreement with many of the things he said. So be careful to label all of his words at the time (that is, prior to becoming Church President), and books, as the pure word of God because as is evident by the disagreement he engendered among those brethren who represent the word of God as a whole, his words and stances were not in harmony with the Brethren. So you see, there is some substance to what Reid said about Benson although I disagree with the manner in which he approached the topic. All members of the Church need to exercise caution in defining true doctrine in the church from opinion and even speculation. Not every word spoken by the brethren should be considered official church doctrine.

Amen to sulla | 12:27 p.m. Oct. 12, 2007

Amen to the comments by sulla. One day we can dispose of both parties and the American system itself when the Kingdom returns again to the earth.

Reid Reid Reid | 1:11 p.m. Oct. 12, 2007

I am a bit surprised how many Mormon Dems in here completely overlook Reid's approach in suppressing free speech on AM radio, especially Rush Limbaugh's "phony soldier" remarks that were taken out of context by Media Matters and then distorted even more by Reid on the Senate floor.

Reid being a Democrat has nothing to do with the criticisms he is receiving in here. It is his ability to endorse politics that are not in the best interest of church members let alone millions of American citizens. It is his ability to distort facts and spin them for his own purposes.

If Orrin Hatch or Gordon Smith or any other LDS Senator was doing what Reid is they would receive just as much scrutiny. If misrepresenting facts for political gain is part of the LDS culture and doctrine then Reid is fitting in just fine.

anonymous | 1:41 p.m. Oct. 12, 2007

I get the biggest kick out of listening Mormons' trying to out-Mormon other Mormons. So ... WHO'S NUMBER ONE? WHO'S NUMBER ONE? ...

Army Guy | 2:19 p.m. Oct. 12, 2007

To Huh?:

Check Mosiah 11:1-6. It doesn't say "too high," but it says King Noah "changed the affairs of the kingdom" by introducing the 20% tax on everything. It also says the people had to "labor exceedingly" to pay the tax... No, it doesn't say "too high," but this is certainly not an endorsement of the tax. Is that a fanatical interpretation?

And to Anonymous 12:04pm:

You're right. If you don't believe EXACTLY what someone else does, you have no right to quote them. What?!! Christianity is Christianity, and the LDS faith is part of it, whether you like it or not. We don't need permission to quote Lewis or any other Christian philospher just because they view the nature of God differently. And, it's not plagiarism if credit is given to the original author. Get a clue.

Dropped the ball | 2:55 p.m. Oct. 12, 2007

I think our bishops have their work cut out for them. Some of these posts are giving everybody else a bad name.

Re: Democrat Mormon | 3:34 p.m. Oct. 12, 2007

To Brother Democrat Mormon,
I am a Republican Mormon that agrees that there is a lot of condemning of Democrats in this dialog. I get tired of the politics of division that individuals of both parties practice. I believe that if we are
arguing for political parties, and criticizing each other for our differences of political philosophy, then we are putting our trust in the arm of flesh (see 2 Ne. 28: 31) and we are worshiping false idols.

But are you really going to stop worshiping God (or even give thought to the possibility), because someone criticized you? Or was your statement just histrionic manipulation?

By the way, it says in Mosiah 11:3, speaking of the wicked King Noah:
"And he laid a tax of one fifth part of all they possessed, a fifth part of their gold and of their silver, and a fifth part of their bziff, and of their copper, and of their brass and their iron; and a fifth part of their fatlings; and also a fifth part of all their grain."

And that is not all, in Mosiah 7:15, King Limhi equates their taxation by the Lamanites to bondage.

anonymous mormon | 3:40 p.m. Oct. 12, 2007

Thanks Re: Democrat Mormon, for proving a lot of points. Mostly that too many people have lost their rational minds.

Carl | 5:20 p.m. Oct. 12, 2007

Question by Mike Beal at 12:31 PM Oct 11: "Any chance you brothers and sisters in Utah would like a Senator..... We have one we would like to trade!!!! "

Reply:" YES, we will trade Bob Bennett for your Harry Reid".

Orrin Hatch at least cares for the health of needy children while Bob Bennett and his cronies Chris Cannon and Rob Bishop lock their heels and keep on voting 100 % for the Decider who made the worst political blunder in history when he started a war against a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

When will all of you that support the war do something to support it like joining the US Marines or US Army? Take your own warm body to Iraq to show your support instead of placing cheap Made in China "Support Our Troops" banners on your vehicles.

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