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Abuse lawsuit alleges widespread problems with Mormons, Boy Scouts
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That said, Clark is a self-serving buffoon. To compare the serial abuse and light handling of known Catholic priest predators (moving them from parish to parish after some counseling, allowing them to continue to work with youth without alerting the new parish) is so much crap.
There is no comparison whatsoever. In the LDS Church you would be excommunicated for sexual abuse of a child or anyone else. You wouldn't even be a Mormon any more--much less retain your calling and be moved to another locale to continue abusing. Totally bogus!
The Catholic Church has paid out probably a billion dollars by now and habitually acted in a way that protected abusing priests. In the past, psychologists thought you could counsel those leanings out of abusers. Now we know there is just about no help. Recidivism in this realm is high as the sky. Pity those kids, punish abusers, but don't put this on the Mormons. No way are the two situations comparable.
I have also seen first hand the immense amount of diligence that goes into training church leaders and scout leaders on BSA and LDS Youth Protection policies.
My heart goes out to those individuals who do get abused because a predator somehow falls through the cracks. My experience, however, tells me that the cracks in the BSA/LDS safety net are few and far between, and once they are discovered, it gets corrected immediately.
I'm grateful that my children have the opportunity to participate in such an excellent program that not only helps them reach their full potential, but does everything possible to help keep them safe.
I know there are those out there who would do or say anything to hurt the Boy Scout program or the LDS church (especially if they could get rich by going it). That scenario is more believable to me.
BTW
What does the LDS church's financial records have to do with a sex abuse case? Either they are guilty or not based on the evidence (not their finances). The judgement should not be based on their financial resources.
I do acknowledge that abuse is a terrible thing and there is really no $ amount that can take away that pain. But that having been said I think 25 Million REEKS of OPPURTUNISM!
The abusers should be put in jail and a civil suit, I believe, is not to make the abused feel better, but more to hurt the abuser where it counts, in the pocketbook.
There are probably many out there who have gotten away with their dirty deed. Hopefully, this helps open the eyes of other groups that will work harder to screen their people.
WE KNOW THAT CHILD ABUSE IS WRONG. EXCESSIVE ALCOHOL IS ALSO WRONG. SO DON'T ACT SO ABRUPTLY IN JUDGING THE CHURCH AND CLAIMING THAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE NOT RIGHT. WE ARE JUST AS MUCH IN FAVOR OF SUSTAINING THE LAWS AS THE NEXT CHRISTIAN CHURCH.
I might believe this supposed argument if these so-called men were also suing their "single mothers" or parents for the same reason. I mean, come on, if the whole church organization knew and the whole boy scout organization knew, then certainly the parents knew and did nothing to stop it. Right?
And Yes, some of the posters proclaim their own ignorance by comparing LDS scouting with the widespread sexual abuse by celebic Catholic priests, who join the clergy as gays and opportunists. The systems are as different as night and day. The LDS scout progam is insired by God, the other is not. Active LDS, are you a man hater?
Sounds like some people are GREEDY!
Let me ask all of you...Do you work for nothing?
Is the soul of one young person whose life will be scarred throughout the remainder of his days on this earth, count for nothing?
The church ought to be spending their BIG easy-come bucks on trying to help people get well and protecting the young against predators, instead of a conference center ($400 million), the JS memorial($50 million), pedestrian plaza ($9 million), temples ad nauseam ($30 million each) and a HUGE MALL ($1 BILLION PLUS).... and you think Kelly Clark has a problem??
There are none so blind and dumb as those who refuse to question these "arms of flesh", or see what's going on under their very own nose.
By the way, I've NEVER been involved in abuse as a child or leader in my whole life. IT ISN"T EVERYBODY!!!
Maybe I'll sue them for throwing me in with the lot of filth.
Before you slam me for comparing my getting offended to sexual abuse, I already know that's ridiculous in itself. Making such a comparison is not the point of what I'm writing, so dig a little deeper.
I am not following you bud. Please clarify
At issue in the lawsuit is not whether child abusers are ever LDS or Boy Scouts. What's at issue is how liable the scouts and the LDS are. Unless they actually knew about the abuse, I don't see how these organizations could be liable for "ignoring" or "aiding and abetting" it. Nail the abusers themselves to the wall, though!
I certainly don't work for 25 Million! The church has been in the fore-front of disaster relief efforts and humanitarian efforts all over the world. Even with the amount they spend on beautifying the environment, they would be the first to jump to your side if you EVER needed it!!
As far as money goes the church pours a lot of money into social service programs to help abusers of all kinds. The money spent on the conference center, JS memorial etc. was money well spent. Millions of people enjoy them. The church spends millions on disasters, poor, helping other churches build their buildings, helping other churches as well as their own in helping the hungry etc. Suing the church won't make them more aware. They are very aware and are doing a tremendous job with the youth of their church.
From the article you quoted above, did you notice where it said most members of the church don't want to loosen liquor laws?
Fifty-six percent of those residents surveyed said they favored changing the laws to make alcohol easier to buy and consume in the city. But city residents who identified themselves as Republicans and members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints don't want the City Council or the Legislature to loosen the liquor laws, a Dan Jones & Associates survey for the Deseret Morning News and KSL-TV shows.
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