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Draw of the U.S.: 'Vital' cash flow to Mexico is slowing

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K.D. | 1:24 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

I lost count of how many counts of identity theft were mentioned in this one article. Too bad you didn't interview the victims of those crimes and tell their horror story connected with these crimes. A life time of problems straightening out their social security records and IRS mess. We havent' even talked about those that might be seeking medical care and putting the very health of the victim in jeopardy because the criminal gets diagnosed with some illness that an unconscious ER visiting victim might get treated for by mistake. Plus the numbers that were used to commit fraud have probably 200 people each using them at any one time. Try to buy a car, house or get a better job with that kind of credit history. How many lawyers would you need to defend yourself with the IRS?

RB | 5:21 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Shame on Mexico and its corrupt government/soceity for allowing the creation of such cricumstances, forcing its citizens to chose between grinding poverty or breaking the law in the U.S.!

Tyler B. | 5:35 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Get over it. The difference is we have what we need and we don't have to break the law to provide for our families. But if we did you and I would most likely do the same. It truly is our problem. We depend on immigrant workers and until we fix our problems and make it easier for them to come out of the shadows we get what we created. So lets not whine about some poor unfortunate soul that can't buy a new SUV because his credit was damaged by a guy flipping burgers to support his family. If this makes you or anyone else mad contact your Senators and Congressman and tell them to fix the problem and legitimize the workers we have here. Or would you rather round them up and ship them all back?

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Adam | 6:20 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

K.D.,
Did you read the article? There wasn't a single mention of identity theft. The thrust of the article was remittances. You saw what you wanted to see from this article: evil immigrants stealing identities. Your bias is sick.

OneVote | 7:06 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

This story points out that it is all about money for the illegals living here. They don't care about the American Dream or allegiance to the USA. They are here because wages are better and they can get freebies from our welfare system. When will we wake up and give them the boot?

Oliver | 7:27 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

What this article demonstrates is how illegal immigration - or excessive immigration, period - distorts and perverts the free market and destroys communities and families.

If illegal immigration were ended Mexico would have to develop its own economy instead of seeing all these families left behind relying on remittances from illegals.

1776 | 7:31 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

It is incredible to me that we have to actually argue for the protetion of our nation's sovereignty. Of course advocates of amnesty ignore any injuries sustained by Americans, those don't count. Nevermind that identity theft ruins a person's credit which hurts job opportunities, ability to buy health insurance, ability to buy a home, ability to get a loan in an emergency, and thereby limits a person's chances of moving from one social class to the next. Nevermind all that. And don't worry about the closure of hospitals along the border communities, the crushing strain on social services, the downward pressure on wages for low skilled workers, the drug smuggling, and the potential for terrorism from other nations. All that matters, is that Mexico, with its inept governing class urging immigrants to remain loyal to Mexico, be able to export its population to the United States. After all, we get cheap lettuce, don't we? Isn't that better than having a nation in fifty years? We get cheap landscaping too. Isn't not having to mow your lawn or clean your house better than your grand children living in a nation better than the one you inherited? Isn't it better to swell the bottom line of a corporation than worry about what will happen when the aggressive wings of the Spanish speaking and English speaking "Americans" begin vying for power down the road? Isn't it better for politicians, who are doing such a great job, to have a voting block they can count on? What an improvement the social engineers are laying the groundwork for! It's more important that a few people feel good about themselves today, regardless of what they'll feel about those opinions tomorrow, when effect has been shaped by cause. Don't Tread on Me.

MS | 7:54 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Whatever happened to doing things the right way? I really have trouble feeling sorry for these people when they have so little regard for our country and the person whose ID they steal in order to get what they want. There's a balance that needs to be struck here.

So many of these articles emphasize the "need" our country has for these illegal workers, but what about all the money they send to Mexico? That can't be good for our economy. Those are our dollars not spent in our country.

If these people really want a better life, they should start by approaching our country legally.

Justa Merican | 7:55 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Amen to 1776 and others. We need to improve our America, they need to stay home and improve their Mexico. I can't get an illegal to move pipe or do farm labor....they are all in construction and hotel/vacation industry. They won't work for low wages...just like Americans. If they do they steal from you and leave in the middle of the night.

BlueMark | 8:06 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

We need them -- they come because we offer jobs that need to be done.

They need us -- that is why they come.

Now the TWO corrupt governments need to work out a solution so we get what we want -- security, cessation of illegal activity, new labor, tax payers not leeches, etc. and they get what they want -- safe and proper border crossing to a contracted job.

Sending them all back will solve nothing.

Don't expect them to relish the American dream when they are in the shadows. The essence of the American dream is what they are all about -- "We Can Do Better."

Answer: set up employment centers throughout Mexico that are open 24/7. Require a background check for criminal activity. Have computers with job postings. Match the worker to the job. Charge $2,000 (the current going rate for coyote transports) for a 3 year work permit. Issue a Social Security card on the spot and send them on their way. We get what we want and they get what they want.

The free market is the solution.

Anonymous | 8:40 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

These articles have a slant that I'm not too comfortable with. The focus of "poor me" for the law-breaking immigrants is terrible. I'd rather see more of the point of view of the victims of identity theft. They are the law-abiding citizens that lose their freedoms because of those breaking the law. They can't get out because they have to pay enormous fees and spend a lot of time fixing the problems. They can't afford the fees and don't have the spare time to talk to (or sit on hold with) agency after agency.

The best thing the U.S. can do is annex the entire country and make it a better place to live. The Mexican government is clearly not interested in its citizens or making life better for them. If possible they'd all immigrate here anyway, let's just take over the country now and leave them where they are.

JWK | 9:33 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Either we have laws that need to be obeyed or we become lawless.

Those who support illegal immigration want to change the laws that protect the US and to do so they currently flaunt the law and say we can't deport them all so lets give them amnesty.

As far as Tyler B. saying that it's okay for them to steal another's identity because we are so rich, tell that to my daughter who is getting by while trying to fight the credit reporting agencies while raising three kids. Perhaps he should give out his social security number to someone that needs it.

As far as Anonymous stating that we should annex Mexico, we don't have to. The Bush administration and socialists of this country are trying to make an American Union with Mexico, Canada, and the US.

That would effectively erase our borders and create one big country much like the European Union.

We need to know who is in the country and to do that we need to have border integrity. While we are a nation of immigrants we are not a nation of illegal immigrants.

Politically, we will not see any good action come out of Congress because they are more concerned about keeping their jobs in stead of dealing with problems. We are politically corrupt and evidently we like it.

GVS | 10:25 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Don't complain about exporting American jobs to China and then turn around and say we need to import labor from Mexico.(jobs Americans won't do) Trade is good, but American workers trying to compete with the poverty wages that exist over most of the world is impossible. Wages are a product of supply and demand. If the unskilled labor market is flooded with foreign workers, cheap labor employers will be able to maintain the present depressed wages. Even Sr. Montoya complained about not being able to find work paying above $5.75/hr. "More than 80 percent of Mexican and Central American immigrants reported it's harder now to get a job in the United States that pays well than it was a year ago." Using immigration to control wages is going to be destructive in the long run.

Lee | 10:29 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

I too, would like to see more stories on identity theft victims. Surely there are more sympathetic victims out there other than the welfare mom with a lazy boyfriend who is waiting to get into section 8 housing... It seems like the Deseret news purposely sought out the least sympathetic victim imaginable for "balance", and then got right back to spinning sob stories about these poor Mexicans who want a better life.

Thomas | 10:33 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Why, oh why, didn't President Polk annex the whole hopeless mess of Mexico in 1848, as was suggested to him? It would have left both nations so much better off.

If the open-borders crowd thinks that the sovereignty of the United States, which illegal immigrants ignore, is an irrelevant detail, then why the deference to the sovereignty of the failed Mexican state? Imagine the economic powerhouse Mexico could be if it didn't have its ramshackle, inefficient, inevitably corrupt system.

There are Irish neighborhoods in the East that are starting to feel the absence of many of their people, who are heading back to booming Ireland to prosper. I'd love to see the same thing happen in Mexico -- but it won't until some intelligent people take charge of the place.

CRJ | 10:37 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

This article is a biased liberal open borders sob story. We cannot solve the entire worldï¿½s problems by allowing any country to export their poverty problems to the US.

The solution is simple. Build a wall. Actually verify that all employees are legal. Enact huge penalties on companies that hire illegal aliens. Then we only allow migrants with skills we actually need and in numbers that are manageable for our country to absorb.

Mexico will then be forced to solve its own internal problems.

Mike | 10:40 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

To Tyler B:

Yes, I would like to round them all up and charge the Mexican for the cost of shipping them all back.

R. Debry | 10:41 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Mr. Montoya, for one, should be arrested and deported. He clearly admits breaking the law multiple times and "buying" a SSN. And he's waiting for "amnesty". Also, I agree with the previous comment that a desire to make more money does not entitle anyone to citizenship. There are millions of people around the world who would also jump at the chance to improve their situation, and maybe even to become American citizens. By allowing so much illegal immigration, we favor lawbreakers over other deserving, would-be immigrants.

R. Debry | 10:49 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

It seems that the LDS church not only countenances illegal immigration, but often supports it. What happened to obedience to the laws of the land? Admitting my bias, I admire the church as an organization and have many members as friends. I just don't understand why they're on the side of lawbreakers, no matter how desperate they are to improve their finances. My last comment is that not all of these folks work to feed their families or to care for sick relatives. I see many (whom I presume to be immigrants) in very expensive vehicles. Nothing wrong with that, but these articles get downright sappy in desribing the plight of illegal immigrants.

Matthew VH | 10:51 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Every single illegal alien should be sent home to their own country. Immigration should be done in order and legally. The US is being invaded, year after year, by illegals crossing our borders, and committing crimes. This must stop. I am so sick of liberal media writing sob stories for the illegals. It is the obligation and duty to Mexico and other countries' governments to improve the living conditions for their people, rather than send them here to become a burden for US citizens. Let's see more stories on the rapes, drunk driving murders, thefts, identity thefts committed by illegals against US citizens. Those are the real stories.

An American Citizen | 10:57 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Quit crying Fowl to the Media, Get Over It. Go HOME and work to better Mexico. quit trying to change The U. S. to your Mexico standards. And NO taxpayers don't want to pay for your babys born in our hospitals, if your not a citizen your baby should not be a citizen, hopefully this law will soon be changed. And NO you should not get welfare, you should get DEPORT. I don't like working and paying taxes to support your WELFARE in this country. GO HOME.. AND NO WELFARE.. WE OWE YOU NOTHING........

Bob Debry | 10:58 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

One last comment: Quit associating the open borders crowd with liberals. Was it not the Bush Adminstration that backed amnesty? Clearly business interests, on both sides of the isle, are behind this. I know many "liberals" who see the folly in allowing so much illegal immigration.

Michelle | 11:02 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

I agree that illegals should not receive benefits from any organization. However, I also see that the LDS Church, as any other church, (I don't know they are always pointed out), has the responsibility to snitch out illegals. A church is a place to receive a safe haven. If the churches start turning people in, then confessions will no longer be safe, no one will feel comfortable talking to their bishop, priest, pastor, etc. Leave the churches out of it and if you are going to go after the churches, go after all of them, not just the LDS Church. There was a story a few weeks back about another Church (don't know or care which one), where a woman was being harbored by her leader to avoid deportation.
If you are going to dwell on the laws of the land, try separation between church and state on for size. Let the government do what they need to do and let the churches do their jobs.

jfb | 11:03 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Even in Utah where we supposedly profess brotherly love it looks like we're really afraid of the "Browning of America" It seems to me that all this claptrap about respecting our laws is just a cover for plain old racism. Maybe we should get some white sheets and pointy caps,and at least be honest about it. If my kids were starving I would cross that border in a heartbeat and I suspect all of us would.

Firearm | 11:08 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Matt VH and some of the others "hit it right on the head". I admire George W. Bush in many areas, but one key area that he (and a Utah legislator) are in serious area is in not taking more control of illegal immigration. For example, the National Guard is reducing their numbers on the Mexican border when they should be INCREASING their numbers. The idea of a security wall on the Mexican border is a good one as well. Finally, making English more of a priority as the national language of the United States of America is worthwhile goal.

Living in Mexico | 11:32 a.m. Sept. 17, 2007

I am an American living in Mexico. This story interested me because my ex-brother-in-law left his little town in Zacatecas at least 40 years ago to make money in the United States. In Anthropology class in college (in the 80's in the U.S.) I was taught that immigration from Mexico was beneficial to the U.S. and that it "wouldn't hurt" in the longrun, since the dream of every illegal Mexican was to make just enough money to return to his/her hometown and build a house, start a business etc.

Indeed, that WAS the original goal of my ex-bro.-in-law, but it didn't work out that way. He had a number of kids who in no way ever wanted to go back to Mexico since they were raised in the U.S. The wife's opinion was the same. The older family members in Mexico eventually all passed away, and communication was lost with the younger ones. Finally at nearly 70 years old, the man in question retired back to Mexico alone, and his kids rarely ever visit.

He was not the exception, but the rule. The original town in Mexico he came from is - - no exaggeration - - practically a ghost town, because year after year, other community members saw his example and followed it. Most of them live in L.A. County in California now, and have for years.

Just thought I would share this little observation. In my opinion, illegal immigration is just that - - ILLEGAL. I moved to Mexico LEGALLY and learned the language and the customs to live here. I should think that any immigrant to anywhere would be expected to do the same.

arJ | 12:07 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Too bad Brigham Young illegally invaded Mexico in 1847, isn't it?

I'm shocked by the amount of hate expressed in the comments attached to this story. These people are in desperate circumstances. I'd hate to be in their position. Our government is complicit in the problem providing neither a legal means of immigration or any real enforcement. Turn your hatred towards Washington and towards those that do not favor a workable immigration system.

veedub | 12:19 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

jfb,
No one here has expressed a problem with the race of those entering; it's their illegal status that is objected to. In fact, it's more racist to suggest that we continue to encourage and support a shadow class of people living on near-slave wages because of their illegal status than to work to find ways for them to come here legally and find jobs that will pay a decent living. Which do you prefer?

JB | 12:31 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Americans are so hoodwinked, they believe in the American Dream -- what hocus pokus. The illegals aren't doing the jobs Americans won't do, they are doing the jobs Americans can't afford to do, in that the illegal will work three jobs for next to nothing and sometimes nothing as EMPLOYERS get away with explointing them. Americans don't want to be slaves but the illegals are the NEW SLAVE of America. I am a LEGAL immigrant and I had to prove my ability to speak, read and write English, I was fingerprinted, and paid the price and I couldn't come here without a sponsor. Don't say they are the only ones willing to do the job - they are undercutting the working class wages. They are theives in the night

AILA Member | 1:13 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Gives you tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be.....oh never mind then.

Are any of you aware of the actual level of the offense of Entry Without Inspection? From a criminal standpoint, it ranks right up there with Speedings and other minor offenses.

So, all of you folks screaming that "it illegal", I wonder, do you folowing the speed limit every time you take the road? If not, then you've committed an offense that is right on par with illegally entering the country.

Oh, and JB, the only people who might be getting hurt by illegals are the morons who decided that they didn't even need a high school education.

AM

Anonymous | 1:20 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

We will not solve the illegal alien problem and the virtually unlimited crime that accompanies it until we deport all illegal aliens!
ALL of them! NO EXCEPTIONS! NONE!

Like any other addiction, the withdrawal from the drug of choice(cheap labor) has to be total and sustained!

NO EXCEPTIONS

Bill from South Dakota | 1:43 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Blue Mark is right on! Within the next 20 years we will have 44 million boomers retiring with only 33 million genXr's to replace them. Set up employment/immigration centers that are funded by the proceeds of the three year work permits.

Good Post!

Lee | 1:43 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Dear AILA member. What level of offense is identity theft? What about re-entry without inspection after being previously deported? It's my understanding that that action is a felony. How about failure to appear for deportation? What should the penalty be for bringing in an infectious disease like TB. I've heard of at least one illegal alien being held for spreading TB around.

It's not just low-income workers being hurt by illegal aliens either. I wasn't happy with my insurance rates going up after an illegal alien broke into my garage and stole several hundred dollars worth of tools and equipment. I'm not very happy with my new home and the shoddy workmanship produced by the illegals the home-builder chose to hire and the thousands of dollars of repairs I'm having to make. And no, the builder didn't discount the house to pass on his labor cost savings.

Kenny | 2:00 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

This is actually an interesting article. It is amazing that someone actually longs to return to Wendover.
The imigration issue is very complex and no single answer is going to solve it. Just closing the borders isn't going to fix everything.
IMO the worst people of all are the smugglers and their should be a huge penalties for anyone caught human trafficing.

BTW arJ, when Brigham Young and crew got to Utah it was under the control of the United States.

Dr. Off-topic | 2:03 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

I wonder how many starving legal citizens are crossing the border to make money to send back here to the U.S. If there are any. I have never heard of any reported cases. Especially as often as we hear of illegal immigrants entering our country. There are people, due to whatever their circumstances may be, have unfortunate living standards, here in the U.S. The article never mentioned that these people see our nation as a beacon of hope for them. Just a means of making some money to send back home. With all of our laws, whether it be speeding, robbery, etc. if we allow them to come here and not go through what ALL other immigrants have had to deal with to make a life of their own here, then where is our justice? Mexicans are not the only immigrants to this country. I thought American History classes in High School explained that to us all already.

:( | 2:21 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

It saddens me the hate from some of the comments in this blog. It is also sad to see how so many people are manipulated by the media.

Does anybody know how to "buy" a social security number? Does the seller make up the SS actual number, or does he/she use real ones? Does that make a difference to the buyer? What if the SSN is a real one, does that necessarily mean that the real social security number owner's credit will be negatively affected? Or could the owner find out that he/she has more money in his/her SS account than expected?, Money that the "buyer" cannot claim back. Identity theft that result in catastrophic credit damage to the victim, is it done exclusively by Illegal workers? Could other individuals besides Illegal workers commit this crime? What is the ratio of Illegal worker over other individuals committing this crime? Has a study been done on this?

Do you think we need to know exactly what is going on before we can judge, criticize, or condemn? Should we base our opinions on our biases, subjective information, and the media?

ï¿½why do people always say it was natural for man to assume that the sun went round the Earth rather than that the Earth was rotating?... obviously because it just looks as though the sun is going round the Earthï¿½ Well what would it had looked like if it had looked like as though the Earth was rotating?ï¿½ Wittgenstein.

Mythbusters | 2:40 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

It is not a benefit to have someone steal your identity!! That is one of many myths spread by the open-borders wackos. If the SSN detects income from another person, the money is placed into a frozen account, tying up that social security account. This fact was mentioned in the first article of this series from a couple of days ago. Poverty combined with large families, usually means no taxes paid for the "buyer".

When the identity theft victim goes to file their taxes, the IRS takes any refund they have coming and usually sends them a bill for the unclaimed income! Try fighting the IRS over that one! Especially with the ridiculous laws that protect the identity theives' "privacy". Just imagine how frustrating it is to have your identity stolen, yet the SSN/IRS refuse to disclose the name/address/employer of the person using your identity.

:( | 3:20 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

How much money goes to that frozen account? What happens with that money? What should be done with it?

Fed-Up | 3:22 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Simple Question: is the whole illegal alien problem a violation of U.S. law?

Simple Answer : YES IT IS! no more debate,no more excuses. DEPORT EVERY SINGLE ILLEGAL MAN WOMAN AND CHILD TODAY.

Nate A. | 3:24 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

I always wonder if the people that are critical of immigrants have looked into their families past. I'm not defending illegal immigration. I began researching my family history and came upon the fact that one side of my family were of illegal irish descent. I don't think we should open our borders, by any means. I just think it's about time the US Government came up with a realistic plan to address the illegal immigration problem. Spending money on fences is not an answer, since you still need to pay agents to patrol the fences. There is no reason to pass any kind of law dealing with the existing illegal immigrants in this country untill you stop the flow of future illegal immigrants.

HISTORY READER | 3:31 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Some of the founding fathers were isolationists. They could envision the problems of uncontrolled illegal immigration. That is why they established the rule of law to govern the greatest country the world has ever known.
It is now time to become isolationist and preserve what we have tried so hard to attain.
All illegal aliens must leave or face the full force of the law. No exceptions !!!!

Dave | 4:37 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Why is it my problem there is a 'vital' cash flow problem to Mexico? Where's the line to complain about the problems with my cash flow?
It seems Mexico needs to do a better job of taking care of its own, rather than encourage its own to head North.
And to Tyler B., yes I would very much like to round them up and ship them back.
Maybe here's another option, throw them in the military, ship them to Iraq, and upon their return, give them citizenship.

Thomas | 5:27 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

When Brigham Young and the pioneers entered the Salt Lake Valley, Mexico was at war with the United States. Since when are people bound by the laws of a government with whom their nation is at war?

I suppose Mexico had every right to try and keep the pioneers out of Utah. But they didn't -- for the very good reason that Mexico exercised no control whatsoever over Utah in 1847 (and was in the process of losing even the parts of the West it wanted to keep). Them's the breaks. Geopolitics is rough on the stupid. When you put Santa Anna in charge of your country multiple times, and let him pick a fight with los Estados Unidos, don't come crying when it turns out badly for you.

Sick of it | 5:45 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

I am so tired of reading these sob stories in the DesNews. What's up with the editors? Are they co-owners of businesses that hire them? It seems that each time there is something happening that involves illegal immigrants and identity thieves the DesNews is quick to run another one of its boo-hoo-hoo-for-the-illegals features.
How about supporting the laws of the United States for a change? Or is the DesNews going to start a series telling about the sad, hard lives of habitual drunk drivers? Or drug addicts? Or child molestors?
One poster earlier was saying that illegally entering the country is not more serious than speeding. Well, speeding isn't ruining this country and illegal immigration is.

jordan | 6:12 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

"On February 2,1848, when the United States signed the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, Mexico ceded the northern half of its country to the United States, including the states of Texas, California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Utah, on condition that the U.S. government would guarantee citizenship, religious freedom, and honor the personal and property rights of Mexican nationals living in the southwest. Shortly after the Civil War, however, settlers from the east, hungry for California gold, rescinded the rights of Mexican Americans to vote and deprived them of their property. Mexican Americans, who had called the southwest their home for nearly 350 years, were treated as foreigners and interlopers who had no rights or entitlements to the territory they owned and on which they had lived for generations."

-"The Practice of Macro Social Work" by William G. Brueggemann

it's disturbing to me how people want to blame hard-working immigrants for the ills of society. The current war against Latinos is a blatant display of discrimination, racism, and hate in the false name of border security, protection of "American Sovereignty," and other politically motivated and ignorant arguments.

Immigration is a complex issue and too many want to blame the workers and their families for everything wrong in the nation.

I'm not buying it.

Common sense | 7:43 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

If they entered the US illegally then they broke the law. That also means they are criminals. Arrest and deport them. No more excuses or senseless rhetoric. It is simple, send them back to where they came from and make it harder for them to return.

Construction Worker | 7:54 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Hey Jordan,
Come to work with me for one day and I will show you drug deals, drug usage, prostitution, theft and a number of other felonies, all committed by illegal aliens.
Not a case of racism or discrimination but felonious activity perpetrated by illegal felons.

Dave | 8:10 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Let's talk about the crime these illegals bring into the country. It should be a requirement that every time a person is arrested or wanted for a crime, it should be mentioned whether they are a citizen of this country or here illegally. Think that might help with the image of illegal immigrants?

Thomas | 8:51 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

I love how "Jordan" wants to have it both ways. On the one hand, he says that immigration is "a complex issue." On the other hand, he waves his hand and dismisses all opposition to mass illegal immigration as nothing but racism, discrimination, etcetera etcetera.

Well, which is it? Is immigration a complex issue, on which people can reasonable disagree and each side has its good arguments, or is it a simple matter of mass immigration proponents = good, opponents = bad?

"Complexity" is the last refuge of someone who doesn't want to think things through and actually make a decision. Jordan's motto could be "complexity for me, but not for thee, ya ignorant yahoos."

Arizona teacher | 8:53 p.m. Sept. 17, 2007

Arizona passed legislation which target EMPLOYERS who KNOWINGLY hire illegal immigrants. This legislation goes into effect in January. The illegals are leaving ALREADY! Enrollment is down in our schools; there probably are fewer illegals being treated in our emergency rooms; likewise, there are fewer illegals obtaining free social services. Can you see the savings to the taxpayers? Now, we have to just wait and see where the chips fall as the employment picture changes--fewer illegals to work for minimum wage at fast food, construction, the resorts etc. This will likely be a blow to corporate greed! They might have to pay someone a living wage.

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