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U.S. ruling may impact tuition for illegals in Utah
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James | 3:47 a.m. Sept. 5, 2007
I believe the law is not 2 years of residency but instead 2 years of college
education, or 60 semester or 90 quarter hours. And at a rate three and a half
times regular tuition, that first 60 hours is pretty expensive.
At least I remember the 2 years being college credit. Can anyone shed light on that?
At least I remember the 2 years being college credit. Can anyone shed light on that?
OneVote | 7:09 a.m. Sept. 5, 2007
Two of my children were born in Salt Lake and I was born in Utah as well. We
moved to Illinois in 1979. They are native Utahns and yet they would not
qualify for in-state tuition. What's wrong with this picture?
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jkidd | 7:16 a.m. Sept. 5, 2007
To Joshua Engle:
You make a very good point in stating that the law is not discriminatory against out-of-state students, becaue of the 3-year requirement. Unfortunately, you then follow it up with a really bad analogy to obtaining a driver's license. Many illegal aliens pay thousands of dollars to enter the country illegally, so it's not a case of them not being able to find the money. There are terrible delays in obtaining citizenship, and if your point is that those delays should be reduced, I agree completely with you. In fact, I believe that we should allow a great deal more legal immigration than we do. However, there is something to be said for enforcing what laws you have; to do otherwise breeds contempt for all law. Whether it is fair, compassionate, or anything else, illegal immigrants have broken the law, and they should not be granted additional privileges while they are continuing to break the law. By all means, provide a way for them to rectify their illegal status, especially if their illegal status is a result of the choices of their parents, rather than their own conscious choice, but don't look the other way when illegal activity is occurring.
You make a very good point in stating that the law is not discriminatory against out-of-state students, becaue of the 3-year requirement. Unfortunately, you then follow it up with a really bad analogy to obtaining a driver's license. Many illegal aliens pay thousands of dollars to enter the country illegally, so it's not a case of them not being able to find the money. There are terrible delays in obtaining citizenship, and if your point is that those delays should be reduced, I agree completely with you. In fact, I believe that we should allow a great deal more legal immigration than we do. However, there is something to be said for enforcing what laws you have; to do otherwise breeds contempt for all law. Whether it is fair, compassionate, or anything else, illegal immigrants have broken the law, and they should not be granted additional privileges while they are continuing to break the law. By all means, provide a way for them to rectify their illegal status, especially if their illegal status is a result of the choices of their parents, rather than their own conscious choice, but don't look the other way when illegal activity is occurring.
ex_lib_loon | 9:02 a.m. Sept. 5, 2007
What part of ILLEGAL do people not understand. These folks are contually
violating US law by their presence here. It is an ongoing criminal enterprise
with criminal conspiracy and facillitation.
If they can be deported for being here and working here than they need to be deported for going to schooll here. Information is being withheld from government agencies by the state. Employers can be fined and arrested for their illegal part in the employment of ILLEGALS. School officials should be arrested for their part in assisting ILLEGAL to remain in the country.
If they can be deported for being here and working here than they need to be deported for going to schooll here. Information is being withheld from government agencies by the state. Employers can be fined and arrested for their illegal part in the employment of ILLEGALS. School officials should be arrested for their part in assisting ILLEGAL to remain in the country.
Spanish Fork | 9:12 a.m. Sept. 5, 2007
Utah is basically a sanctuary state and in-state tuition is only one part of
Utah's support of illegal immigration that helps maintain our low wages. As
long as any of you are sympathetic to illegal immigration and non-enforcement of
the law, don't complain about low wages and other crimes that that are a
result.
Karen | 9:36 a.m. Sept. 5, 2007
Actually, ex_lib_loon, school officials are forbidden by the federal government
from asking if a student is in a family here illegally.
SLC Imm | 10:22 a.m. Sept. 5, 2007
Immigrants do not drive wages down! Can any body tell me what the minimum wage
is and who is responsible for that? Our government maybe? With or without
illegal immigrants I cannot picture a McDonald's paying $13/hr to a crew
member! My juicy Big Mac combo meal will cost me $10 dollars! either that or the
owner will not make any money on it! I think we should grant this people with no
criminal records a chance to adjust their status! They have broken the law! yes!
but any person in any country or culture has the chance to pay a fine and
rectify their mistakes. Why can't we grant them the same chance if our
economy needs them and are willing to pay taxes and are seeking an education!
Something that many Americans do not care to pursuit.
They do not have access to government loans or scholarships. I know kids that are receiving this opportunity and is not a walk in the park! They have to work and go to school and pay tuition at the beginning of the semester! cold cash! Something that many of our native born youth does not want to do! Let's end this debate and allow the hard working people with not criminal records stay and allow them to make a contribution to society.
They do not have access to government loans or scholarships. I know kids that are receiving this opportunity and is not a walk in the park! They have to work and go to school and pay tuition at the beginning of the semester! cold cash! Something that many of our native born youth does not want to do! Let's end this debate and allow the hard working people with not criminal records stay and allow them to make a contribution to society.
Rizdif | 10:37 a.m. Sept. 5, 2007
What exactly does the following have to do with the topic?...
..."Obtaining U.S. citizenship is not like obtaining a drivers license. It costs thousands and thousands of dollars and has a delays of ten years or more. What would you do if your drivers license cost $10,000 and was delayed at least 10 years? Drive anyway? I thought so"
So what? As stated earlier, your analogy is worse than useless. Citizenship has never been required to attend school. My wife (LEGAL immigrant) is eligible for resident tuition and has been for 2 years, even though she's only been here in the US for three. Why? She came here LEGALLY.
As for OneVote's statement, I fail to understand it. Are you complaining that since your children and yourself were born in Utah that you deserve RESIDENT tuition? You stated they/you were NATIVE Utahns. So what? There is no Native/Non-Native tuition scale. If you don't live here you're not RESIDENTS and don't pay state taxes here and don't deserve the benefit from them. Just as most illegals, even though they live here, don't pay into the cofferes that subsidize the price breaks in tuition.
Some people are just "thick" I guess. :(
..."Obtaining U.S. citizenship is not like obtaining a drivers license. It costs thousands and thousands of dollars and has a delays of ten years or more. What would you do if your drivers license cost $10,000 and was delayed at least 10 years? Drive anyway? I thought so"
So what? As stated earlier, your analogy is worse than useless. Citizenship has never been required to attend school. My wife (LEGAL immigrant) is eligible for resident tuition and has been for 2 years, even though she's only been here in the US for three. Why? She came here LEGALLY.
As for OneVote's statement, I fail to understand it. Are you complaining that since your children and yourself were born in Utah that you deserve RESIDENT tuition? You stated they/you were NATIVE Utahns. So what? There is no Native/Non-Native tuition scale. If you don't live here you're not RESIDENTS and don't pay state taxes here and don't deserve the benefit from them. Just as most illegals, even though they live here, don't pay into the cofferes that subsidize the price breaks in tuition.
Some people are just "thick" I guess. :(
Iceman | 11:06 a.m. Sept. 5, 2007
"Foreign students" i.e. those who do it legally, are required to
obtain written acceptance at a US school, including public schools, then apply
for and receive a nonimmigrant student visa. Strangely enough, they are even
required to return home after obtaining said education.
Decades ago the US Supreme Court decided that the documentally challenged have a constitutional right to a taxpayer financed public education. By Supreme Court edict, anyone who can get across the border, legally or illegally, can go to public school at taxpayer expense. No wonder few bother with visa requirements.
In recent years, politically correct politicians have added the burden of college education for illegals to the taxpayers. To change the laws, we must change the politicians. Bennett, Hatch, and Cannon need to go, along with all others who favor special treatment at taxpayer expense for illegals.
Decades ago the US Supreme Court decided that the documentally challenged have a constitutional right to a taxpayer financed public education. By Supreme Court edict, anyone who can get across the border, legally or illegally, can go to public school at taxpayer expense. No wonder few bother with visa requirements.
In recent years, politically correct politicians have added the burden of college education for illegals to the taxpayers. To change the laws, we must change the politicians. Bennett, Hatch, and Cannon need to go, along with all others who favor special treatment at taxpayer expense for illegals.
samhill | 11:14 a.m. Sept. 5, 2007
I think it's hilarious that we are discussing the various policies for
in-state vs. out-of-state residence tuition costs for people who don't even
qualify as LEGAL RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTRY!?!
Why even quibble over state residency in such a ludicrous situation?
Why even quibble over state residency in such a ludicrous situation?
Kelli | 12:01 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
There's nothing hilarious about an entire segment of the student population
in Utah (Hispanic) whose test scores consistently fall below those of all other
ethnicities in the state. We should be doing ALL WE CAN to help increase
education for ALL Hispanics in Utah, without regard to legal or
"illegal". The children of illegals are here and it our responsibility
to provide them with the same educational opportunities as our own children
have. Otherwise we condemn them to lives of substandard citizens. I remember the
1950s and 60s the argument was whether a child was "Negro" versus
"sort of Negro" through no fault of their own. We fought as a nation
to overcome the ridiculousness of that situation. Hilarious? Not then, not now.
Jose | 12:02 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
For two years I had to attend a junior high school in layton when I was 32 years
old, just so I could qualify to get in-state tuition at Weber State. Those days
were weird because I was a man among children. But on the bright side, my teams
always won in PE class.
Smittydawg | 12:08 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
I agree with Spanish Fork and samhill, if you are not even a legal resident why
should you get to attend college in Utah and pay the in-state rate. Mexico City
has a world class university.
Information at www.sa.utah.edu states, "the institutional policy cannot be more lenient than the new one year rule or harsher than the requirement of 60 hours or living in Utah for three years.
Undergraduate Domestic Non-resident Students must:
1) Reside in Utah for 12 continuous months, starting July 1, 2007 or anytime thereafter.
2) Not be claimed as a dependent on the tax returns of a person who is not a resident of Utah.
3) Take steps to establish intent to become a resdient OF Utah, for example obtaining a Utah driver's license, within a reasonable period prior to application.
4) Submit an application for resident reclassification by term deadline.
Information at www.sa.utah.edu states, "the institutional policy cannot be more lenient than the new one year rule or harsher than the requirement of 60 hours or living in Utah for three years.
Undergraduate Domestic Non-resident Students must:
1) Reside in Utah for 12 continuous months, starting July 1, 2007 or anytime thereafter.
2) Not be claimed as a dependent on the tax returns of a person who is not a resident of Utah.
3) Take steps to establish intent to become a resdient OF Utah, for example obtaining a Utah driver's license, within a reasonable period prior to application.
4) Submit an application for resident reclassification by term deadline.
Here legally! | 12:08 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
I'm not a citizen of the US, but I've been in the US legally for most
of my life. My family followed the law to immigrate here and most of them are
now citizens of the United States. I've served in the US military, paid
taxes and am a contributing member of society. I plan on getting my citizenship
and it is not all that difficult or expensive to do.
It doesn't take 10 years and thousands of dollars to become a citizen of the United States. It takes less than $500 and usually less than a year. Legal imigration to the US takes a bit more effort, but that is the price one pays for the privilage of become a legal resident.
I resent the fact that illegal imigrants are allowed any status other than criminal status. When you break the law that is what you are.
That said, is it true that criminals in our prisons can take college courses and receive degrees without paying any tuition at all. If you want to complain about something complain about that!!
It doesn't take 10 years and thousands of dollars to become a citizen of the United States. It takes less than $500 and usually less than a year. Legal imigration to the US takes a bit more effort, but that is the price one pays for the privilage of become a legal resident.
I resent the fact that illegal imigrants are allowed any status other than criminal status. When you break the law that is what you are.
That said, is it true that criminals in our prisons can take college courses and receive degrees without paying any tuition at all. If you want to complain about something complain about that!!
seth dominguez | 12:22 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
all the americans that complain about illegal immigrants should look in the
mirror and unless they are 100 percent american indian, realize that the too are
here because of illegal immigration.
that is called being a hypocrite.
that is called being a hypocrite.
Pittakos | 12:38 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
Thank you, Here legally. You are correct that it does not take 10's of
thousands of dollars and 10 years to gain citizenship. Maybe if someone came
here illegally, they may have paid someone tens of thousands of dollars to get
here and spent 10 years underground trying to find a way to be legally accepted.
My wife came here legally and I know I didn't pay anywhere near that much.
Seems it was closer to $250 for the citizenship application. Also, Here
legally, thank you for being here legally!
To Kelli; such noble gestures but I don't see you offering to fund your enterprise to educate all the Hispanics. Maybe you should write a letter to their home countries leaders and express how nice it would be if they would educate their population so that we didn't have to. By the way, we are not condemning them to live here as substandard citizens. They aren't citizens at all. They are here illegally.
And to SLC Imm, your suggestion of letting them pay a fine so they can be citizens is a slap in the face to the thousands and thousands of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally since they will most likely get bumped to the back of the line. Is that fair?
To Kelli; such noble gestures but I don't see you offering to fund your enterprise to educate all the Hispanics. Maybe you should write a letter to their home countries leaders and express how nice it would be if they would educate their population so that we didn't have to. By the way, we are not condemning them to live here as substandard citizens. They aren't citizens at all. They are here illegally.
And to SLC Imm, your suggestion of letting them pay a fine so they can be citizens is a slap in the face to the thousands and thousands of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally since they will most likely get bumped to the back of the line. Is that fair?
Pittakos | 12:39 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
Sorry, Seth, but I can't seem to find the law that was in place at that
time. Can you help me find what law my ancestors broke?
Law Family | 12:57 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
First of all, the illegal aliens who illegally invaded our country to take
American jobs and send all profits back to Mexico (the second-largest portion of
Mexico's GDP, after OIL, but only at today's inflated oil prices), are
NOT immigrants. They are illegal aliens. Immigrants learn our language, and melt
into our culture.
They don't refuse to learn English, demand government services in their own language, commit identity fraud to illegally gain employment, refuse to learn to drive properly, and then suck down an average of $30,000.00 per year per household of taxpayer-funded welfare benefits (including taxpayer-funded education, healthcare, cash welfare payments, food stamps, free lunches, etc.).
Individuals who have no intention of actually immigrating to America are either:
A) legal guest workers -or-
B) ILLegal Aliens
The former are welcome, but the latter aren't. Illegal aliens commit a far higher percentage of felonies than American citizens do, they rape and murder more often, they molest children more often, they commit fraud more often, and generally speaking, they don't respect the law any more than they did when they illegally invaded our country.
As for the pathetic argument that American Indians are the only legals, just remember that their ancestors didn't arrive until about 600 B.C., so if you're going to use such convoluted logic, American Indians are illegal immigrants too. Please don't be so ignorant.
They don't refuse to learn English, demand government services in their own language, commit identity fraud to illegally gain employment, refuse to learn to drive properly, and then suck down an average of $30,000.00 per year per household of taxpayer-funded welfare benefits (including taxpayer-funded education, healthcare, cash welfare payments, food stamps, free lunches, etc.).
Individuals who have no intention of actually immigrating to America are either:
A) legal guest workers -or-
B) ILLegal Aliens
The former are welcome, but the latter aren't. Illegal aliens commit a far higher percentage of felonies than American citizens do, they rape and murder more often, they molest children more often, they commit fraud more often, and generally speaking, they don't respect the law any more than they did when they illegally invaded our country.
As for the pathetic argument that American Indians are the only legals, just remember that their ancestors didn't arrive until about 600 B.C., so if you're going to use such convoluted logic, American Indians are illegal immigrants too. Please don't be so ignorant.
Bubba | 1:35 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
If You Are Illegal You Are Not Able To Get Tuition Unless You Become ; ACitizen
There fore Either Be come One Or Go Home, And Quit Complaining .
Smittydawg | 1:39 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
Iceman,
What Supreme Court cases are you making reference to?
What Supreme Court cases are you making reference to?
absolute | 2:06 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
I should be one who is spilt in this argument, but I am not. My father was an
illegal. He arrived in the US as an illegal immigrant of Mexico. My mother is a
US citizen. Part of our family helped settle this state of Utah and the other
part is of the Ute Indian tribe.
I have worked hard, very hard to become a student at the University of Utah where I am currently enrolled. I absolutely am not in agreement illegal aliens should not only receive in-state tuition, but should not be admitted into ANY college. The children�s parents made a stupid decision to move to the US illegally, life is hard. If these individuals are old enough to be in college, they are old enough to become legal. If you want something bad enough, you will do whatever it takes to get it, correct?
My mother teaches English as a Second Language in high school. She tells me everyday these kids don�t care about receiving an education. In fact, they are disturbing the children interested in learning. The reason test scores are low is these students shouldn�t be in the grade level they are. It�s not the fault of a teacher, they are trying. Try dealing with someone who doesn�t know a drop of English and is placed at a 10th grade reading level and you have to bring them up to speed by test time.
This shouldn�t be a problem because there is a simple solution, do not allow illegal immigrants admission into college, bottom line. If they want to have the privilege, yes higher education is a privilege not a right, become a legal citizen of the United States.
I have worked hard, very hard to become a student at the University of Utah where I am currently enrolled. I absolutely am not in agreement illegal aliens should not only receive in-state tuition, but should not be admitted into ANY college. The children�s parents made a stupid decision to move to the US illegally, life is hard. If these individuals are old enough to be in college, they are old enough to become legal. If you want something bad enough, you will do whatever it takes to get it, correct?
My mother teaches English as a Second Language in high school. She tells me everyday these kids don�t care about receiving an education. In fact, they are disturbing the children interested in learning. The reason test scores are low is these students shouldn�t be in the grade level they are. It�s not the fault of a teacher, they are trying. Try dealing with someone who doesn�t know a drop of English and is placed at a 10th grade reading level and you have to bring them up to speed by test time.
This shouldn�t be a problem because there is a simple solution, do not allow illegal immigrants admission into college, bottom line. If they want to have the privilege, yes higher education is a privilege not a right, become a legal citizen of the United States.
Re: Jkidd | 2:14 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
Jkidd,
I liked what you have to say, but would add an ammendment, partly in rebuttal to some of the comments here. Not all laws are created equal. Going over the speed limit is illegal, but everyone does it, including cops, especially since some speed limits are ridiculous. The people that cross the border illegally do it out of desperation and with great risk. No, that doesn't make it right, but nor is right to just condemn them all as vile "invaders." There needs to be a way to come legally and a reasonable way to deal with those who are here. And deporting everyone is definitely not reasonable.
I liked what you have to say, but would add an ammendment, partly in rebuttal to some of the comments here. Not all laws are created equal. Going over the speed limit is illegal, but everyone does it, including cops, especially since some speed limits are ridiculous. The people that cross the border illegally do it out of desperation and with great risk. No, that doesn't make it right, but nor is right to just condemn them all as vile "invaders." There needs to be a way to come legally and a reasonable way to deal with those who are here. And deporting everyone is definitely not reasonable.
Spanish Fork | 2:14 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
SCL Imm,
If you don't think that Utah's sanctuary policies don't serve the purposes of the cheap labor employers, I suggest that you read up on economics a little. Wages, like products and services are determined by supply and demand. Minimum wages are a distortion. Just as the value of products (oil for example: If we fueled are cars on water, what would oil be worth?)can be controlled by controlling supply, wages can be depressed by flooding the labor market. (especially the unskilled market)Just as you don't wish to pay more than a couple of bucks for your hamburger, employers don't want to pay anymore than they have to for labor. In fact they would pay zero if they could. (Read up on Ferdinand LaSal's "Iron Law of Wages Theory.") If the work doesn't produce a subsistence wage the worker will have to be subsidized, either by charity or the government(taxes).
If you don't think that Utah's sanctuary policies don't serve the purposes of the cheap labor employers, I suggest that you read up on economics a little. Wages, like products and services are determined by supply and demand. Minimum wages are a distortion. Just as the value of products (oil for example: If we fueled are cars on water, what would oil be worth?)can be controlled by controlling supply, wages can be depressed by flooding the labor market. (especially the unskilled market)Just as you don't wish to pay more than a couple of bucks for your hamburger, employers don't want to pay anymore than they have to for labor. In fact they would pay zero if they could. (Read up on Ferdinand LaSal's "Iron Law of Wages Theory.") If the work doesn't produce a subsistence wage the worker will have to be subsidized, either by charity or the government(taxes).
WILD WILLY | 2:37 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
ILLEGAL ALIENS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO ATTEND COLLEGES OR UNIVERSITIES. ONLY
DOCUMENTED ALIENS SHOULD HAVE THAT RIGHT. EDUCATION OPPORTUNITIES FOR AMERICAN
CITIZINS AND LEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE COMPROMISED AND REDUCED BY ALLOWING ILLEGALS
TO ATTEND COLLEGES/UNIVERSITIES. HIGHER EDUCATION IN THE U.S IS A PRIVLIGE, NOT
A RIGHT.
Ricardo | 4:26 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
I was fortunate to receive a Utah education. In fact, I was the 2nd grade
spelling bee champ...4 years in a row.
Thank you Utah! Thank you U.S.
Oh! Spanish Fork: don't waste your time trying to impart Econ 101 on SCL Imm. "supply" and "demand" are not monosyllabic words
Thank you Utah! Thank you U.S.
Oh! Spanish Fork: don't waste your time trying to impart Econ 101 on SCL Imm. "supply" and "demand" are not monosyllabic words
us citizen | 5:37 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
as a former member of the military I took an oath to defend this country against
all foriegn invaiders. George Washington is a national hero because he knew how
to solve a problem. All illegal aliens must leave the u.s. by force of arms or
they won't leave. Help us George!!!
ex_lib_loon | 5:55 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
Karen, you missed the whole point so I will repeat
"WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?"
"WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?"
reyes | 6:07 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
I am a citizen born and raises in the U.S.A.but am considering throwing my
papers away because illegals have a much better deal I should be sending letters
too all my family to move here for the free medical,schooling, and now they are
even bringing in teachers from mexico too what a great state im proud to pay
taxes here and i wish the illegals had too pay as much
No Olvidado | 11:27 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
I agree with you, Reyes. What are you doing? You seem intelligent enough.
Throw your papers away! Send letters to all of your family members to move here
and get all of the free medical, schooling and all the good life.
Don't be a fool... go ahead, do it! Throw them away. Move to Mexico and come back for the easy good life.
Yeaaaaa, riiiiiiiight!!
Don't be a fool... go ahead, do it! Throw them away. Move to Mexico and come back for the easy good life.
Yeaaaaa, riiiiiiiight!!
Kitenoa | 11:51 p.m. Sept. 5, 2007
Until such time when the Federal Government decides what to do with the 11
million plus illegals in the US, the State of Utah (phase 1) should presently
allow in-state tuition benefits to those who meet the criteria, regardless of
their illegal status.
In ten years, (Phase 2,3,etc) solutions would follow naturally.
In ten years, (Phase 2,3,etc) solutions would follow naturally.
Ken | 5:56 p.m. Sept. 6, 2007
The state of Utah has no moral obligation to educate
any illegal alien, of any age. Special interests in
the state have chosen to do so.
Would not the money spent on illegal aliens be at
the least be better spent on legal citizens of the
state and the country as a whole?
Whoever harbors, shelters, conceals, transports and
or aids illegal aliens commits a felony offense.
(United States Code Sections 1324+1325).
Believe it or not Sony Bonno said it best when asked
about illegal immigration, what do you think about
illegal immigration? "Well it's illegal is it not?"
any illegal alien, of any age. Special interests in
the state have chosen to do so.
Would not the money spent on illegal aliens be at
the least be better spent on legal citizens of the
state and the country as a whole?
Whoever harbors, shelters, conceals, transports and
or aids illegal aliens commits a felony offense.
(United States Code Sections 1324+1325).
Believe it or not Sony Bonno said it best when asked
about illegal immigration, what do you think about
illegal immigration? "Well it's illegal is it not?"
TrueBlueAmerican | 4:06 p.m. Sept. 7, 2007
The last portion of the article made no sense. How could that Kansas student go
to and graduate from a Kansas high school while living in another state? Did
she use a mental projection? If not, I did not know that a persn could complete
high school through the internet? Either way, the Utah law just says that Utah
high school graduates can go to a Utah University. Plain and simple. If youre
not from Utah, then you pay out of state fees becuase youve been paying your
taxes in another state. I mean, students benefiting from In-state tuition
cannot go to California and get in state tuition for the same reason. More so,
for the majority of the comments, this issue is about EQUAL ACESS TO EDUCAITON.
A better educated populace makes for a better Nation. Similarly, many here
state and imply that students benefiting from in state tuition, when they get
nothing more than the opportunity to pay in state tuition since they have lived
in Utah their whole lives, their parents pay income taxes, property taxes, sales
taxes, state taxes, social security (even though thats money they will never
see, and with real taxpayer numbers issued by the IRS) tuitiion fees, and every
other tax. Its basically, just giving Utah residents equal opportunity to a
Utah education, plain and siimple.
TrueBlueAmerican | 4:15 p.m. Sept. 7, 2007
this comment is in responce to ONEVOTE: Your children will not be eligeble to
immediately pay in state tuition becuause since you moved to another state, you
have been paying all of your taxes to another state without contributing
anything to UTAH. Basically, you have not paid taxes in that state for decades.
But, after less than 2 years, your children and yourself will automatically be
eligeble to pay in state tuition. but while you wait, you also get access to
financial aid (where the government pays your entire education by the using the
taxes of all taxpayers, immigrants included), access to loans, grants, and work
study. On the other hand, undocumented students have none of that. they must
still litigate with being unable to receive 0 financial aid, 0 access to grants,
and the innability to legally work. Yet, they make it and succeed as soon as
they are given the opportunity.
more so, I have read a lot of the comments here, and it is apparent that people are against giving undocumented students an opportunity to get better educated becuase they are scared of a little competition. I mean, if anything, having more educated people will drive up competition, and those capable and competent will make it, while the mediaocre and lazy people will just wine and become bitter biggots that scapegoat immigrants for their innability to cope with any challenges, and their utter sence of failure.
more so, I have read a lot of the comments here, and it is apparent that people are against giving undocumented students an opportunity to get better educated becuase they are scared of a little competition. I mean, if anything, having more educated people will drive up competition, and those capable and competent will make it, while the mediaocre and lazy people will just wine and become bitter biggots that scapegoat immigrants for their innability to cope with any challenges, and their utter sence of failure.
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Consider the timeline: the out-of-state U.S. citizen gains the ability to pay in-state tuition in only two years. Any illegal immigrant, no matter how long they have lived in Utah, is required to attend three years of in-state high school and graduate before becoming eligible for in-state tuition. Never mind the fact that an out-of-state U.S. citizen may apply for in-state Utah tuition at any age in preparation to attend a Utah college. However, how many illegal immigrants plan and prepare to attend a Utah high school while age 14/15 and in their 9th grade year? Not many, except those who also previously attended their 8th year in Utah.
To Rep. Glenn Donnelson and all other detractors, this law is not a hand-out to law breakers, but a hand-up to children who have applied themselves in school so as to improve their lives and their contribution to society. Have a heart!
Obtaining U.S. citizenship is not like obtaining a drivers license. It costs thousands and thousands of dollars and has a delays of ten years or more. What would you do if your drivers license cost $10,000 and was delayed at least 10 years? Drive anyway? I thought so.