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Delay sought in immigration rules

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Barbara Allen | 1:56 a.m. Aug. 28, 2007
We have too as a nation of laws get these illegals out of our country. If a law american ss holder did what they are known to be doing we would be in prison. Stop coddeling these law breakers and put them in prison if they hire these law breakers just so they can save money. Put them in jail to and no question asked. I hate my country anymore because we are losing it to the poor, mostly criminals coming into the country. We are not getting the educated because they stay where they are. Again send the 12 million back to their country and let them change their country not ours.
Bart M Cajas | 10:01 a.m. Aug. 28, 2007
I like what the ICE is doing to enforce our immigration laws at work places. This is the only way to prevent more illegal crossing of our borders. This is also a good way to let those who are here illegally to self-deport...saves the government expenses and headaches.
net_50 | 10:16 a.m. Aug. 28, 2007
Our government is not subject to change or nation's laws nor wait to enforce our nation's laws just to please greedy employers who cop out on paying American citizens the wages that it takes to live and prosper while they do work for any business. These request our not acceptable. Greed has long been first and foremost rather than our naton's interest. Cheap scapes!
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Lance Starr | 10:42 a.m. Aug. 28, 2007
I'm an immigration attorney and I beg you to PLEASE call your congressman and Senators and ask to PLEASE start to treat illegal immigrants as criminals.

Of course, that means that in the Immigration Court the Rules of Evidence, the Rules of Procedure, The 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments will begin to apply in full force. ICE agents will be required to abide by constitutional search and seizure laws. Aliens in the court will be entitled to an attorney at government expense. The "mandatory hold" rules will be found unconstitutional. ICE and the Office of Chief Counsel will be required to abide by the rules of discovery.

Yes, as an immigration attorney I'm begging you to please turn it into a criminal process!

Now, as to Ms. Allen's ignorant and bigoted comments:

1. We are not "losing our country to the poor." That is an inane and silly statment. Moreover, you obviously haven't read the words on the Statute of Liberty. . .

2. Those entering our country are not "mostly criminals." In fact, the vast majority are father and mothers of families looking for a better life and willing to work harder than you ever have to get it. Very few are criminals.

And Mr. Cajas, your comments are quite entertaining coming from someone with a Latino last name which mean box....kind of like your closed mind.

Russ | 11:04 a.m. Aug. 28, 2007
Don't understand? Are confused? Not clear?

Bull!

These laws are not new. ONLY the fact that they are now (maybe) going to be required to actually follow our existing laws is what is new. What a surprise this must be to them! Give me break!

The only real question they really have is how to continue getting around following our laws. Plausible denial-ability just may be disappearing.
Ameerican | 11:40 a.m. Aug. 28, 2007
Lance Starr --- Spoken like a true Lawyer (liar) with visions of Pesos dancing in your head. And you sidestepped the whole point of this article --- Cracking down on Employers of Illegal Immigrants.
Dar | 2:13 p.m. Aug. 28, 2007
Its a great thing that ICE will start enforcing the laws, it is way overdue. If people are LEGAL and have valid SSN's, then none of this should be a concern or problem. If you do receive a no-match letter and are LEGAL, then it should be no problem to get it fixed. Of course pro-immigration groups and greedy immigration lawyers will ALWAYS complain when it comes to any attempts to deport the illegals. America wants the illegals gone - plain and simple !!
TC | 3:07 p.m. Aug. 28, 2007
"I'm an immigration attorney"

Well if what you state Lance is true, then the citizens must rebel (which is a right of itself) and take matters and "immigration attorney" into there own hands.

If an attorney, the courts, and the executives do not respect or enforce the law then the citizens should ignore it as well!

Be careful what you wish for Lance, there are enough people pissed off about this issue to throw the whole country into caos and if this crap continues, I'll be on the front lines...That you can take to the bank! Lawyers, big business, and special interest lobbies are what is screwing this country up and I am getting pretty tired of it.

Phenmetrazine Lab Super | 4:24 p.m. Aug. 28, 2007
All the resistance by employers is classic foot dragging, while kicking and screaming. nuff sed
Concerned Citizen | 4:42 p.m. Aug. 28, 2007
All I have to say is the government has no idea what they are doing and what they are trying to regulate since most of these workers are here just to work and help the economy emencely. I guess we will see if they do send everyone back to see how they replace over a million workers that more than likely will loose their jobs.
Anti-U.S. ACTIVITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 5:21 p.m. Aug. 28, 2007
The U.S.A. is not loosing to these 12-millions poor hard-working sacrificing workers!
Rather, the U.S.-Homeland-areas, remote, rural or, urban areas are getting a chance to start up the Developments, (where, the big investments initially are not available). The resources of "the Inferior jobs with the inferior wages", is very high. No U.S.-born workers need to die in these huge resources of the Inferior-jobs in the U.S.A.(WITH the inferior wages). The U.S.-born-legal-workers are less in numbers even in the Superior-U.S.-JOBS(with the superior wages).Again legal-foreign-workers are bergainful and lure the U.S.-facilities(without sacrificing for it, or, building it). More important thing to focuss on the points(where the four U.S.-Presidents, Regan, Bush-Senior, Bill Clinton, Bush-Junior; and some other wise & honourable U.S.-Senators, Polyticians find a bare necessity, to finish the Inferior-U.S.-Jobs, with the inferior-wages, to build up the U.S.-superior-jobs with the supierior-wages), that "the huge shortages of the Low-cost-foreign-workers, in the huge U.S.-resources of the inferior-jobs(with the inferior-wages), would affect the U.S.-superior-jobs(with th superior-wages), to be built up in the U.S.A.".
True to the fact , the U.S.-Govt. would, now, must, arrange "to create a real-life U.S.-Employment-Reporting-Database, recording that the U.S.-Citizen-born-legal-worker is replaced by the illegal-foreign-worker". I think this database would not be meaningful healthy. The complain on the low-cost suffering homeless hard-working sacrificing productive illegal-foreign-workers(already serving in the U.S.A.,without obstructing the U.S.-Citizen-worker), is baseless(but rather lie & sinful polytically motivated).
But this harmful "evil-blame-game & deportations-drives", would shut down the U.S.-Businesses-investments-industries-factories-developments, etc.(within the U.S.-Homeland), to build it back in the U.S.-rival-countries(China, Russia, Mexico, etc.).In every U.S.-industries, today, even for every 70-illegal-workers(with lower-wages), atleast there is 30 U.S.-born Workers(superior wages). If the factory & industry is moving out into China, Russia, etc., the 30 U.S.-Citizen-workers, would be laid off, in every "Deportation-raids". The U.S.A.-homeland-areas would "miss developments & independences".
Big Surprise | 5:22 p.m. Aug. 28, 2007
These are the same groups wanting amnesty and open borders to support their endless quest for cheap labor. yet, they proclaim they don't hire illegals. If that was true, they wouldn't mind proving it. In the past, the non-enforcement of this law allowed immigration lawyers to instruct employers to tell the employee that a letter was received and then ignore it. If anyone asked, they could pass the buck onto the employee and claim they were waiting for them to submit corrected paperwork or something.

I love it when pro-border supporters proclaim that most illegals are not criminals. I guess we should all ignore the fact that Utah has rising problems with gangs, grafitti, DUI deaths, a lot of which is directly tied to illegals and their cultural differences. We also have the high-profile illegals like the recently deported Elvira Arellana, who openly defy our laws and court system while refusing to learn our language and hiding behind their anchor babies.

I would much rather have motivated legal immigrants who want will contribute to and embrace America and it's opportunities than the typical money-grubbing gang banging illegal alien from Mexico who have a chip on their shoulder and think we owe them something.
Anti-U.S. ACTIVITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 5:56 p.m. Aug. 28, 2007
The U.S.A. is not loosing to these 12-millions poor hard-working sacrificing workers!
Rather, the U.S.-Homeland-areas, remote, rural or, urban areas are getting a chance to start up the Developments, (where, the big investments initially are not available). The resources of "the Inferior jobs with the inferior wages", is very high. No U.S.-born workers need to die in these huge resources of the Inferior-jobs in the U.S.A.(WITH the inferior wages). The U.S.-born-legal-workers are less in numbers even in the Superior-U.S.-JOBS(with the superior wages).Again legal-foreign-workers are bergainful and lure the U.S.-facilities(without sacrificing for it, or, building it). More important thing to focuss on the points(where the four U.S.-Presidents, Regan, Bush-Senior, Bill Clinton, Bush-Junior; and some other wise & honourable U.S.-Senators, Polyticians find a bare necessity, to finish the Inferior-U.S.-Jobs, with the inferior-wages, to build up the U.S.-superior-jobs with the supierior-wages), that "the huge shortages of the Low-cost-foreign-workers, in the huge U.S.-resources of the inferior-jobs(with the inferior-wages), would affect the U.S.-superior-jobs(with th superior-wages), to be built up in the U.S.A.".
True to the fact , the U.S.-Govt. would, now, must, arrange "to create a real-life U.S.-Employment-Reporting-Database, recording that the U.S.-Citizen-born-legal-worker is replaced by the illegal-foreign-worker". I think this database would not be meaningful healthy. The complain on the low-cost suffering homeless hard-working sacrificing productive illegal-foreign-workers(already serving in the U.S.A.,without obstructing the U.S.-Citizen-worker), is baseless(but rather lie & sinful polytically motivated).
But this harmful "evil-blame-game & deportations-drives", would shut down the U.S.-Businesses-investments-industries-factories-developments, etc.(within the U.S.-Homeland), to build it back in the U.S.-rival-countries(China, Russia, Mexico, etc.).In every U.S.-industries, today, even for every 70-illegal-workers(with lower-wages), atleast there is 30 U.S.-born Workers(superior wages). If the factory & industry is moving out into China, Russia, etc., the 30 U.S.-Citizen-workers, would be laid off, in every "Deportation-raids". The U.S.A.-homeland-areas would "miss developments & independences".
Stop Enforcements(Deportations) | 5:58 p.m. Aug. 28, 2007
Just for an Example, in 53-U.S.-states, there 100 U.S.-Wnidow manufacturing companies, who are paying the U.S.-Business Taxes(to maintain, development, build-further the U.S.-cities-towns-states-roads-highways-public-facilities-etc.-etc.). In these 100 U.S.-window-manufacturing-companies(inside the U.S.-Homeland-areas), just for an example, the 500,000 workers are working with the different grades of the Jobs, in the different levels, with the diferent wages. The U.S.-Employers, to increase the U.S.-export-REVENUE-earnings, are focussing to reduce the Production-costs(to increase the Export, by defeating the rival-cuntries' like China/Russia/Mexico's window-production-costs------which are already lower than the U.S.-producton-costs).The U.S.-employers are working hard to keep the U.S.-Window-factories, operating, within the U.S.-homeland-areas(so that the U.S.-Govt., or, the U.S.-Cities, Towns, counties, states, etc. would get developments, by earning the both Business-Taxes and the individual-workers' income-taxes).In the 500,000-workers, "all the inferior-jobs(with the inferior-wages)", are planned to be done by some of the hard-working sacrificing low-cost productive "desperate to work, to get a home in the World", uprooted foreign-born homeless-illegal-workers, readily available in the U.S.A. This is because, the employers are not even finding enough U.S.-born-workers, at the portion of the superior-jobs(with the superior-wages). But all the superior-jobs(with the superior-wages), are, already, being taken from the U.S.-born-workers(which collected to the 70% of the whole employee-strength). The inferior-jobs with the inferior-wages, are getting really unfilled. The shortages of the revenue-making-productive-workers, in the U.S.-fasctories, is clicking an option , "to give these factories, being transferred into the U.S.-rival-countries, China, Russia, Mexico, etc., who carries more inferior & superior-workers, with the lower-wages, with the lower-production-costs". The U.S.-Factories-Industries-Homeland-Developments-Economics-Employments, in the U.S.-homeland, would be shut down. The U.S.-export-revenue-earnings would be forcibly lowered(with the U.S.-Inflaton-increases), INCREASING the U.S.-Import-expenses(giving the developments to the U.S.-rival-countries), "by Deportation-based-enforcements, or, enforcements on the Employers". The U.S.-consumer-price would be increasing. The U.S.A. would be dependent on the Rival-countries(with the increasing no-self-sufficiency). "The deportations-enforcements on the low-cost-workers" would must hurt "the U.S.-Economics".
MORMON | 9:50 p.m. Aug. 28, 2007
I'M SUPRISED ALL YOU DESERET NEWS READERS, MORMONS, ARE SO AGAINST YOUR OWN PEOPLE. WHAT? YOU THINK THERE ARE NO ILLEGAL MORMONS IN THE US?
YOU ARE NUTS. YOU DON'T PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH.
Jesus | 11:13 p.m. Aug. 28, 2007
Who would you hate if there were no 'illegals'? gotta hate somebody, right? Who would jesus hate?
TerryC | 7:39 a.m. Aug. 29, 2007
Its not a matter of hate its a matter of respect for the law. If were not going to enforce the law then why have it.

Why should employers be subsidized with cheap illegal foriegn labor? Why should tax payers pick up the costs associated with illegal aliens... so business owners can get rich? Business is not entitled to pass these costs to the average joe and if business cant make it without illegals I have a simple solution. Go out of business. Being in business is not an entitlement and I could care less if a business is successful or not.

Illegal aliens are not entitled to be in this country and should be thrown out on there asswith there anchor baby's. If they return and get caught they should be given 10 years hard labor. I have no problems what so ever with inmate chain gangs not only for illegals but for business owners and CEO's as well.

Anonymous | 11:56 a.m. Aug. 30, 2007

Hey the employers who are the ones whining are the ones who have been benefitting from illegal cheap taxpayer subsidized immigrants. They don't want their gravy train to stop.

But it will stop anyway. Other honest employers have now started to sue the dishonest businesses who use illegals for unfair competition. And they are right to do so.

Also, legal employees are starting to sue those dishonest companies using illegals under RICO for depression of wages.

The latest study has come out, and has confirmed what we know. Illegals are taking jobs away from Americans. A 44% drop in jobs for US citizens when the illegals sneak in. Of course, their wages are highly subsidized by the US taxpayer, so business can pay them on the cheap.

Time to enforce the law. Or we could change the law and adopts Mexico's word for word. A good percentage of the illegals would spend the next 10 years in jail. And there would be no more legal illigation from central america for about a century at least as Mexico does not allow their demographs to change.

Time to bring in those law abiding folks who have done what we asked, jumped though the hoops, studied and passed test on American history and our laws, the LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
Enforce Our Laws | 2:31 p.m. Aug. 30, 2007
They argue that American citizens will also loose their jobs because of this. Interesting that there is no concern about US citizen's tax liability for other workers wages when they end up on their SS account. There is no discussion about the loss of means based entitlements when they are credited with wages they did not earn.

The employers processed I9s for 20 years with no undue hardship - except for the threat of lawsuits for actually questioning obviously fake docs. 90 days is sufficient to clear up discrepancies. Why not expand the SS insurance to cover workers that need more than 90 days to clear up status?

The SS# is also used to track deadbeat dads and others trying to get out of financial obligations. Is it OK to use a fake ID to do that?
john | 10:11 p.m. Aug. 30, 2007
I like to know why american alians doesnt wanna work?
I think immigration law and gov Bush needs to look at that tooas well. U can find people from other country who like to work ,and they are elso inteligent, but ,but because of them status they cant do anything.I saw jobs for americans people available they refuse them, How u can explain that?
example:Gas Station, (CNA) nursing assistent, construction Housekeeping , dishwasher and etc. Illigal alians they are looking to make some money to invest or to continue them school univ .Not, all the time iligal are the problem here in USA. I spoke with a lots of immigrant and they wants to stay here for 5 to 10 years to save some money then they try to do something in them country as well.If are good jobs for american u need inteligents pers on those position.Where they are? my answer is: they come from international country.Thank you and i hope you gone do something for help illigal whos looking to help USA economy and wants something good in this life.In front of God i live in the same place and hes not doing descrimination

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