State of the state in men's and women's basketball

Published: Tuesday, Jan. 21 2014 10:22 a.m. MST

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9-6 (3-3 Big Sky)

VS. PORTLAND STATE
Thursday, 7 p.m.

VS. EASTERN WASHINGTON
Saturday, 2 p.m.

The Thunderbirds finish off a four-game homestand against two worthy conference foes.
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Big 12 Call Yet?
Ogden, UT

Sagarin rankings, which byu fans usually prefer, show Utah and byu relatively close, with byu at 42 and Utah at 42

For those in love with RPI, here is something to consider. A month into the season byu had a better rpi than Duke, Louisville, Kentucky and Michigan State. All 4 of those teams were ranked and byu was not, even with a higher RPI.

Perhaps the experts just forgot about byu.

Or

RPI doesn't mean much until the end of the season. A byu fan bragging about RPI since day 1 as they have is like a WAC football team bragging about how amazing their schedule is when they play an SEC team week 1 and mocking the SEC team for playing a couple WAC nobodies the first couple weeks of the season.

The WCC is rated currently the 10th "best" league in the country by ESPN

The Pac 12 is rated 3rd.

So for WAC teams, lets not get too prideful in bragging about playing a good out of conference schedule. Conference schedules means MORE than out of conference. And there is a big difference between the 3rd best conference in the country and the 10th.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

From ESPN on why they have a BPI basketball power index as opposed to other systems:

"Other power rankings already exist, the most prominent being the RPI, Sagarin Ratings, Massey Ratings and Ken Pomeroy's ("Kenpom") ratings. All of these methods are based upon the outcomes of games, their location -- home/road/neutral -- and the quality of opponents. Each one basically puts these together in slightly different ways and arrives at slightly different results.

RPI, due to its simplicity, tends to be the biggest decision aid for the NCAA tournament committee, even though it doesn't account for the actual scores of games. Kenpom and our BPI system both account for the varying pace that teams can play, which is an important analytical component of evaluating basketball teams. But we believe the BPI is a little more refined than any other existing power ranking"

The team with the highest BPI in the state of Utah?

The Pac 12 University of Utah utes

Big 12 Call Yet?
Ogden, UT

correction to Sagarain,

I mistyped. It has byu 42 and Utah 62 currently. The gap has been closing rapidly as Utah plays a very hard conference schedule and byu plays in the 10 "best" conference in the nation with mostly weak cupcakes. The Pac 12 is the 3rd best in the nation, per ESPN.

MacNasty
Rexburg, ID

Big 12 Call Yet?

After the road games in Arizona, one will be able to to sweep what is left of the Ute basketball team into a paper bag.

truth in all its forms
henderson, NV

Go UVU I cant wait for them to go dancing!

1978
Salt Lake City, UT

So now the RPI index is invalid huh?

I think that Utah needs to file a protest to the NCAA about how they select teams for the tournament.

It would be best if they created a new index. The UFPI (Utah Fan Power Index). That way Utah would always be ranked in the top ten and BYU would always be ranked in the bottom ten. Even during Jimmer's senior year when they had the #1 RPI before Davies was suspended.

let's roll
LEHI, UT

Not to second guess ESPN, but the Big10 and Big12 both have 5 teams in the top 25 and there are three other conferences with multiple teams in the top 25--- a total of 5 conferences with multiple teams in the Top 25.

The PAC-12 has one. I guess we should all be very grateful to Arizona if ESPN thinks the Pac12 is the third best basketball conference. Let me be the first to thank them.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

let's roll--

"Not to second guess ESPN, but the Big10 and Big12 both have 5 teams in the top 25 and there are three other conferences with multiple teams in the top 25--- a total of 5 conferences with multiple teams in the Top 25."

Conference Overall Power Rankings--B12 #1, B1G #2, PAC-12 #3.

However, how many teams reside in these 2 Top-25 polls in any given week, as voted upon by human beings, hardly determines how the Conference Overall Power Rankings are calculated....These polls are irrelevant to it [even then, The PAC-12 had 3 total in 'til this wk and currently has sitting barely outside of #25, 3 total in the ap/4 total in the coaches poll].

"The PAC-12 has one. I guess we should all be very grateful to Arizona if ESPN thinks the Pac12 is the third best basketball conference. Let me be the first to thank them."

Again, one set has zero to do w/the other! Not unlike how byu fans avoid SOS talk in football like the plague....These various Conf Pwr Rankings remove the fallible/inherently biased human element from it all!

JMH
Provo, UT

THe one thing that you can control in your schedule is your OOC games. Utah chose to play teams that most people never heard of let alone thought they had a team. BYU chose to go with a tougher schedule. BYU has a chance of making the tournament but Utah will have no chance as conference play continues. I suspect the Utes are better than most people thought but the decision to play a marshmallow (cupcakes would be tougher) pre conference scheduled not only showed a lack of confidence by the coaching staff but also doomed them to a low RPI and that is what the Committee looks at. They only played one road game in the pre conference and lost that one. Playing easy wins at home does not endear you to the selection committee and that is too bad because Utah is not as bad as its schedule.

MiP
Iowa City, IA

BYU currently has 7 losses, and I predict they'll finish with 10.

Utah currently has 4 losses, and I predict they'll finish with 10.

At the end of the season, both teams SOS will be relatively close; you play many more games in conference than not.

No matter where their RPI is at that time, both teams will need to win their conference tourneys to make it to the NCAA tourney.

I predict NIT for both.

Sambonethegreat
Salt Lake City, UT

I'm thinking the "big three" men's teams make the NIT. None of them are spectacular this year.

But holy cow, I had no idea Southern Utah is 1-14 thus far!! Feel bad for those guys. How come that program hasn't been able to be competitive? [scratches head]

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Its cute watching SUU and USU fans engage in their little rivalry. All states needs rivalries between little schools like that.

The next team to win a sweet 16 game from the state of Utah will be the last team to win a sweet 16 game: The Pac 12 University of Utah utes!

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