Deseret News preseason high school football top 25, #1-15

Published: Thursday, July 21 2011 8:36 a.m. MDT

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Scott G. Winterton, Deseret News
2010 Record: 9-3.
2010 Playoffs: Lost to Bingham in 5A quarterfinals.
Outlook: Won’t be a big team, but with seven returning starters (including running back Austin Tate) on both sides of the ball, the Knights will definitely be a factor in the Region 1 race all year.
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whoisjohngalt
Holladay, UT

Cannot wait for the boys of fall to start playing! Cooler wheather. Fresh vegetables out of the garden and FOOTBALL!!!!!

I'm excited to see what Alta looks like with the new coach having a full year now. I think Cottonwood and Lone Peak could be 1 and 2. So much talent on those teams. And my darkhorse pick if you can call them that anymore would be Jordan. They seem to be attracting more and more great talent that wants to play in their spread attack.

Can't Wait!

Parry is a Farce
Layton, UT

DN, I know you love to do lists in this format, but I think it is terrible for the reader. Hopefully you don't do the top 25 each week like this and go back to the format you had last year.

CougarKeith
Roy, UT

It's going to be interesting this year, our school has a new coach, and although we (Roy) has been a laughing stock, give us about two more years and we'll be a force! We are excited for our program to take a turn for the better!!!

jarka-rus
Layton, Utah

whoisjohngalt | 9:41 a.m. July 21, 2011
I agree what a beautiful time of year!! My corn is popping up in rows and less than a month away the gridiron will be in full swing. Can't wait for another Black and Blue classic up at Rice Eccles!!!!!!

Parry is a Farce | 9:58 a.m. July 21, 2011
True dat, lame formatting.

IndeMak
South Jordan, UT

Should be another fun year at Bingham. We all expect them to win it all as they reloaded. They may never be as good as last year but they are still good enough to win it all.

plyxply
SLC, UT

Im with you Parry, this format is lame.....but would like to know how you put Cottonwood at the top, no defense and a tougher region will make it tough for them to even get a home game during the playoffs. Jordan does a great job of recruiting, but they don't have a top qb like they've had the past three years so I think they'll drop off a notch, plus they will struggle as always on defense.
Everyone keeps saying Bingham will reload, but frankly they don't have the talent to compete with LP and Alta this year. Fremont will be good, could even win it all with Vigil running the ball, and Davis and Northridge could make it to the semi's with a good bounce or two. Hunter is a question, reports are that they've struggled to adjust to Hamilton's offense and it could take them a year to adapt but I won't ever count out a Hamilton coached team.

Gunner
South Jordan, UT

I think you are selling the underclassmen at Bingham short plyxply. They pulled a lot of soph. kids up last year to get JV and Varsity time. I'll be the first to agree that they will struggle at QB. But I believe they have 4 returning starters on defense, and that defense was the best in the state last year. I'm not sold on Lone Peak yet. I think Bingham will drop the game vs Alta. But they're reload at Bingham is better than 90% of the teams out there in the state.

Doug Whitmore
South Jordan, UT

Gunner...Every post you make is about how many sophs were brought up to play Varsity, and how you are not sold on Lail and how Bingham will struggle at QB and how Lambourne will have to be creative on offense since Lail does not have much of an arm. Really? 90 MPH fastball and he does not have much of an arm. Hopefully Vince will get his shot next year, but give Brady shot this year. Not hard to figure out you are a father of a Junior QB.

Parry is a Farce
Layton, UT

plyxply,

I did not pick Cottonwood. That was whoisjohngalt.

Gunner
South Jordan, UT

Whitmore: I stated once that Lambourn will need to be creative and now it's every post? And just so you are aware, I have no son in the high school program. Maybe it's that I coached just about all of these kids at some point in little league. Did you even watch one of the JV games last year? If you did, then you know his arm is not a great QB arm. Great, he throws a baseball hard. Compare apples to oranges before you spout off.

footballisgood
Holladay, UT

Go figure, another little league coach who thinks they know everything. If you knew so much you would be coaching at the HS level.

Doug Whitmore
South Jordan, UT

Thanks Gunner for putting me in my place. LOL.

No, I did not go to any JV games or Little league games either, so you got me there as well.

So throwing a baseball has nothing to do with arm strength. Kind of funny how many of the college and pro QBs were pitchers. Look at many of the recruiting sites and look at the QBs. See if you find comments about their pitching. Let me help you out, there is a direct coorelation.

More like oranges to tangerines.

Gunner
South Jordan, UT

Well since you didn't go to any JV games, then you can bow out of the conversation since you don't know anything about his football abilities. Footballisgood, I guess that puts me up about 3 notches on you then on football knowledge.

Football881
South Jordan, UT

Im friends really good friends with the coaching staff at Bingham and they said that Lail has been tearing it up. I went to some JV games last year and Lail did great. JV has no effect of what anyone will do this year. Nothing that you do in JV shows how you will be in a varsity game. Just like nothing you do in high school Proves you will be a great college player. Its the Intangibles and Lail has all of those for sure. He had a great camp and will have a great season. Bingham's offense wont change. They might not score in the 50s each game but they have the potential to be in the 40s week in and week out. With that coaching staff they should never be the underdog, They are always prepared and have better schemes. Please no more talk about little league, it means nothing!

Timp
South Jordan, UT

Would put Timpview at #3 behind Alta and Bingham..

just-a-fan
Bountiful, UT

Interesting choise of picture for Bountiful.

footballisgood
Holladay, UT

Are you sure about that Gunner? Cause I have 15 years in and all of them are above the Little League level. Try again bro.

oldtimeftballer
Salt Lake City, UT

gunner...thats what you get when you come and comment on every HS blog like you own the place :)

slow down and pace yourself. Its a long season. Too many comments on every HS article gets people lathered up

plyxply
SLC, UT

sorry Parry about the mix up.
Gunner, I've watched a bunch of the Bingham kids through the years and while I agree you have to take into account the kids who played up last year it just seems they don't have the key players they'll need to win it all. Of course having 4 defensive starters back will definitely help, and while I think they'll be a top 5-6 team I think the semi's is their ceiling. I realize in comparison to recent Bingham teams that's not a good year, but that's where I see them and I think that should be considered a success.
The reason I think LP will compete for the title is Hansen and Shumway. Those two are both playmakers and because they play both ways they can have a bigger impact on the game and their line's seem to be solid. They are as tough to prepare for as anyone I've seen in years, as a tandem it's very difficult to scheme to shut them down.

plyxply
SLC, UT

question for you Bingham guys.....is the soph qb (Bailey I think) going to get any looks on the varsity level? Seems like a solid kid and a decent qb but he didn't get any reps in last year's soph game v Alta so I didn't know where he stood.

Gunner
South Jordan, UT

From what I've heard talking to the coaches and players he isn't in the top 3 right now. Currently it goes Lail, Stout, Bianchi. I don't think they will win it all either. And the Semi's very well could be the limit this year. But I do think they will win their region. With some of the move in's they have had, they will fill some spots that were vacated by last years Sr.'s. It will be interesting how they do at the RB spot as well this year. My personal feeling is the Bianchi kid could play on the other side of the ball some if he'd make the change.

Doug Whitmore
South Jordan, UT

Hey Gunner, great idea move your son over to defense. I know you hate to hear this, but he is not going to beat out Lail.

Gunner
South Jordan, UT

Hey genius, since my oldest son is all of 10, I'm sure he won't be beating Lail out anytime soon. Do I need to spell that out for you? Let me guess, you're one of those Minerette Dad's right?

plyxply
SLC, UT

thanks for the info. I'd also heard rumors there was a freshmen on the DL that could be a starter, any truth to that or just someone's dad/coach/mom talking him up?
How did Bingham look in scrimmages in Price? vs Timpview?

ohIknow
Alpine, Utah

Interesting to note that there a quite a few 5A teams missing that should be able to beat some smaller school top 25's on any given Friday.

eagle
Provo, UT

Observations about 4-A football:

--Timpview will get back on track and just reloads. Remember this name, Greg Aspinall.
--Highland has some weapons back, good size on the OL but how does one replace Fakahafua. I expect a good year from the Rams but I think East wins their league.
--I also expect Mountain Crest to have a strong season but Kuresa will be hard to replace. Still the Mustangs with great coaching and overall talent should win their league and make it to the semi-finals at least.
--Skyline should do well in 4-A with their disciplined play and great coaching staff. Now athletically they won't be as outgunned as they were in recent years in 5-A. Dupaix might have one more title run this season.
--If Ursua is indeed back Westlake should be a factor, this might be their year for a deep run. The Thunder have good pieces around perhaps the best athlete in prep football this year.
--A team that might surprise--Timpanogos in Ed Larson's second year.
Springville is here to stay, Scott Mitchell is more than a name, he can flat out coach and has a great veteran staff around him.

mykaljordan
draper, ut

Its funny that Juan Diego is ranked #15,in my opinion they should have been rank at least in the top 5. after all they have done, people still don't respect their program. Last year then won the 3A state Championship, with a team that they were supposed to be rebuilding,and let me remind you they also beat 5A and 4A schools to do it.We need to give the coaching staff and their program more props for their accomplishments.I cant wait to see what they do this year,with alot of there starters returning,I look forward to watching the O line, since all but one are coming back, and that dominating D is also one to watch. GOOD LUCK to JD and that SOARING EAGLE..!!! and I hope that if you win again for a 4 peat,that people will give you the RESPECT you all truly DESERVE...I however, will always respect your accomplishments...

mykaljordan
draper, ut

Hey plyxply, the freshman that you're talking about, what school is that. I know Juan Diego had a freshmen that played DL last yr that was a beast.He was #56.If its wasn't Juan diego than I don't know.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

"With some of the move in's they have had, they will fill some spots that were vacated by last years Sr.'s."

Who are some of the move ins, and where are they from? I had heard they were just reloading, but had not heard any details.

Hitter22
Salt lake city, Utah

which one of these top 25 teams won the ute shoot? oh that's right none of these teams did because it was olympus who also took second in the weber tournament without 2 of their best receivers. Olympus has a high number of returning starters and they have some good players that should be respected.

tallboy
SAINT ANTHONY, ID

How do you think 4A stacks up this year? Is it all about Timp., or will some team challenge their recent supremacy?

Big Pappy
west jordan, utah

I think Bingham will have to rely more on defense this year. The Defense is full of great talent again this year. #17 is a beast and could be the best defensive player in the state. The offence may struggle a bit in the beginning but will come on strong in the end. Can Lail play QB? It's hard to say. He has the arm but can he make the decisions? Playing qb is nothing like pitching a baseball. A Pitcher has to worry about getting the ball over the plate and a qb has to make a ton of reads and then move through a progression to make a proper deciosion. QB is a much more demanding position than a Pitcher. Does Lail have the talent? I hope so. With a young offence he will need all his athletic and leadership abilities. Lone Peak and Alta will be tuff to beat, but I believe that Bingham will be right up there when it is all said and done. GO MINERS

AltaDad
Draper, UT

Did I miss Brighton in there? i hate to say it, but they can't be over looked to contend in our region. I think Bingham has proven to be the team to beat, but i think a 5 spot would have been a good place for our beloved Hawks. Too man unknowns. Gosh this is a great time of the year!!

SUPERTONGANMAN
SANDY, UT

Go Juan Diego! Looking forward for another Great Season! (JD needs to be ranked higher... how many times do they have to beat Springville to convince you guys they are better than them?)

Sportfanatic
West Jordan, UT

In talking with one of the Alta coaches last night, he mentioned that Alta's only weakness would be on the offensive line. Now some would say that this is a huge weakness, but given the coaching experience of the offensive line coach, who also happens to be the new head coach, Bob Stephens, he will have this unit ready for August 20th. Aside from the issues of the line, this Alta squad is LOADED with talent and barring any unexpected injuries, should be the favorite in 5A again.

mykaljordan
draper, ut

@Supertonganman,
I know exactly what you mean,Juan Diego should be ranked up there with the best of them.like you said how many times do they have to beat springville? and as a 3A school these boys have beaten alot of 5A and 4A schools to get where there at,and come on people really, how many championships do you have to win to be respected? did Alta even make the playoffs last year? and there rank in the top 5.in order to be the best you have to beat the best and so far the best teams are Bingham,Highland,Juan Diego,San juan, and Duchesne.......GO JD FOOTBALL AND THAT SOARING EAGLE...!!

AltaDad
Draper, UT

mykaljordan

Juan Diego is a great Program, nobody ever said different. i do however need to ask what 5A and 4A teams has Juan Diego beat? Alta did have a crappy season last year and maybe shouldn't be ranked 2nd, but yes Alta did get beat in the first round last year. They are also the last in state team to beat Bingham who is the best. Be Calm my friend, the University of Juan Diego will get theirs.

Doug Whitmore
South Jordan, UT

mykaljordan... Juan Diego is getting a lot of respect to be ranked in the top 20 as a 3A school. You have had a nice run the last few years, but beating Emer, Carbon, North Sanpete, Judge, Salem Hills, Delta, Grantsville is something every 5A team could do and most 4A teams. Even beating Park City, Wasatch and Logan is much different than beating Bingham, Alta, Lone Peak or Davis. Not sure why you are calling out Alta, they would blow you out any year. So you beat Springville a team that was blown out in the 4A semis. Have you ever beat any of the other 13 ranked ahead of you this year? 1 big win does not mean you should be ranked higher. By the way, pounding your chest claiming you beat "alot" of 5A schools is a joke. Beating a 2-8 Cyprus team is nothing to brag about. You lost to a 7-4 West team last year. A team that was smoked in the first round of the 5A playoffs by Riverton. Ya... that same West team that lost by 2TDs to Murray. Might want to pump the breaks.

mykaljordan
draper, ut

@altadad I get where youre coming from thanks,

@doug

So in your opinion, do you think being rank 15 is fair? oh and ill correct myself didn't mean to say "a lot" but they did beat schools in both those divisions,and I know a lost is a lost, but they gave that game to west,and hung in with them to the end.It doesn't matter to me who beat west,or what cyprus record was.I'm just trying to understand,how do these rankings come about.In my opinion JD should have been ranked a little higher.I wasn't calling out alta,just wondering how a team could be ranked that high considering their performance last season that's all.and yes,when you say 1 BIG win doesn't mean should should be ranked any higher is understandable. But what do you say when they have had 3 BIG wins...2008,2009 and 2010 3A STATE CHAMPIONS..!!! Does that still not count for anything?...Pumping my brakes...thanks

HSFAN
Salt Lake City, UT

Hey mykaljordan. I get your point and far be it for me to agree with Doug Whitmore aka-Bingham Homer, I have to agree. Winning the 3A State Championship 3 years in a row does give you to be the top ranked 3A team. #15 is solid and shows those 3 titles do in fact count for something. I looked through the list and can't think of any team ahead of you I would move down below JD. Where would you rank them and who would you move down? At least for now. Alta was down last year, but did you look at their schedule? They lost to CW, Bingham, Timpview, LP, Riverton, PG and NR. Could JD have beaten any of these teams. If they had Alta's schedule last year, you lose all 7 of those games. In fact, you may have only won 2 maybe 3 games total. (Hillcrest, AF and maybe Brighton).

mykaljordan
draper, ut

Hi HSFAN,
Thanks for your thoughts,I looked at the list and in my opinion I would do this #15 Springville #14 Northridge #13 Juan Diego and #12 Riverton, Only because JD beat Springville,but then again thats my opinion. I never wanted to start any riffs, Im just trying to figure out how these rankings are made.And yes I did look at Altas schedule and yes it is a hard one, but I think if JD had all the players the 5A schools had,I guarantee they would give everyone a run for their money.But if being ranked #15 is a fair and solid ranking,then it is what it is.I'm just saying that if the rankings are done by past records and performances,Then I must not be seeing the big picture...I'm just trying to understand....Thanks.!!

HSFAN
Salt Lake City, UT

mykaljordan. I did watch JD play in the final the last 2 years. I thought both Hurricane and JD were both better and bigger than expected. I was impressed with both teams. I am not sure how they come up with the rankings either. I am sure they use past performance and returning players, although that is always something teams inflate. Most of the bigger schools are very Senior loaded and most solid coaches are loyal to seniors. I remember some arguments on these boards about Bingham returning like 18 returning starters last year and several posts about 7 All-State kids who graduated. Something like that. Either way the math did not add up. I even think that helped them get the national rankings. The national preseason rankings are done on D1 players, history of program and returning starters and the state they are from. I am guessing the DNews did the same thing for Utah. I am not sure what JD has coming back, but being #13 or even in the top 10 would have been fine with me based on their track record. Good luck. 4 peat would be cool.

kmh
Junction, Utah

I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings but.......JD hasn't beaten anyone this year. these rankings are wild guesses, it's not like this writer went out and watched all these teams summer practices. JD can't live on past years results, if they do it will be a long year for them.

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