Commentary: Some Utes saying new Stars will improve defense

Published: Sunday, Aug. 11 2013 10:43 p.m. MDT

Last fall, Utah’s Dave and Joe Kruger joined All-American Star Lotulelei in anchoring arguably the best defensive line in the Pac-12. That success has parlayed into NFL careers. While Lotulelei was drafted in the league’s first round in April, Joe Kruger was selected in the seventh round after leaving Salt Lake City one year early.

In surviving the Cleveland Browns’ minicamp as a free agent, Dave Kruger joins star brother Paul — also an alum of the Utah defensive line — in the Rock ’n’ Roll capital of the world.

Now, the Utes hope they can at least reflect the on-field inspiration offered by the Krugers of recent past. Or maybe even better yet, a Star.

Utah coach Kyle Whittingham and defensive coordinator Kalani Sitake are confident they at least have some of the other type. They have lost 75 percent of the unit to the bright lights of the NFL. It led a defense that ranked second in the Pac-12 against the rush last year.

But Whittingham has again referenced his familiar “reload, not rebuild” mantra with his new crew. And some players are just as confident (or more): defensive ends Trevor Reilly and Nate Orchard are saying that the 2013 unit can be better than last year's.

At this point, its members in the trenches certainly shine differently (though there's stories of family with this year's version, too).

Soar into the outer-orbital analysis.

Rhett Wilkinson is a project manager for UtahPolicy.com and hails the true-blooded Aggies from Utah. The co-founder of magazine Aggie BluePrint.com, he's been an intern for the Deseret News and other publications. rhett.wilkinson@usu.edu | @wilklogan

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Duckhunter
Highland, UT

Let's see, only one article and this many proclomations of being "the best".

"Whittingham was adamant about how good Palepoi and junior Sese Ianu are, already ranking them among the best tackles in the Pac-12, despite neither having started an NCAA game. (Keep in mind that Whittingham has already placed two of his quarterbacks in the “upper echelon” of the conference, with a third listed as a co-second stringer.)"

"if Orchard is right about Palepoi. “He’s just as good as Star,”"

"Palepoi may be rivaling Orchard for most bold assessments. He says the offensive line is making the defensive line so good because the latter is the best in the Pac-12."

So let's see according to utah coaches and players utah has "two upper echelon qb's" and "two of the best d tackles in the pac12" as well as a player "as good as star", and also an "offensive line....is the best in the pac 12".

Amazing how utah is "the best" in everything despite that losing record. If BYU players and coaches made those claims utah "fans" would be making a huge deal out of it.

Wookie
Omaha, NE

I agree with Duckhunter on the still unproven remarks made by Utah coaches and players. I think you've got to see them line up on the ball and see where things go after its snapped, until then it is pure speculation.

As far as BYU players and coaches predictions, I will have to disagree with Duckhunter's comments. We have seen it happen from both the U and the Y coaches and players. We have heard countless times that the Y's line is the biggest and best and the list goes on and on.

I think what it boils down to is that coaches and players (at times) like to build up their players or teammates in an attempt to raise moral and confidence.

At the end of the day, nothing matters until the end of the game/year and the record that the team has in the end.

Go UTES!!

gonefishn
Salt Lake City, UT

Your right Duckhunter, BYU players have never said any brash statements.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

We all know about byU coach speak:

"Mendenhall initally said that "Tradition," Spirit," and "Honor" will be worn as long as he is coach. Mendenhall explained that "Tradition, Spirit, Honor" should be synonymous with BYU football."

..... well, maybe only for homecoming. Way to stick to your guns Bronco!

Can't wait for August 29! I am also looking forward to the fourth annual migration to Tulsa and the resulting silence from down south.

Go Utes! Onward and Upward!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@gofish

I never made that claim, I'm just pointing out more utah "fan" hypocrisy, which isn't hard to do nor do I ever have to wait long to find some.

And wookie is correct, hyperbole such as this is committed by both sides, frankly it is committed by every single program out there. But of course it is utah "fans" like yourself that want to constantly mock BYU for it while ignoring it from the utah side. And the truth be known it is far more prevalent from the utah side these last couple of years.

The humor in a school with a losing record, that has yet to even beet a conference team with a winning record, proclaiming itself "the best" at so many positions and at so many things is really fun for BYU fans like myself to witness. Then of course to have utah "fans" like yourself believe it while hypocritically bashing BYU for far fewer and far less ridiculous statements is the icing on the cake.

Thanks for making this thread another big win!

U 90
Corona, CA

Duckhunter,

Five words: Jake Heaps & Quest for Perfection. What was that you were saying about hype from your glass house?

Why would you or anyone doubt Whit's eye for talent on the defensive side of the ball? Utah did put 3 defensive lineman in in the NFL last year and 5 defensive players overall. Your attempt to stir the pot leaves you looking foolish once again.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Brash statements from:

1- byU football player: "Magic happens"
2- byU head coach: "Honor, Spirit and Tradition will be on the back of the jerseys as long as I am coach"
3- byU "fan": "Fangupo will be the first player taken out of the State of Utah in the NFL draft"

Results:

1- Where's the magic been since that utterance? Gone!
2- Ya, that lasted about 6 hours, or he will only be coach for homecoming!
3- Where is Fangupo?

Go Utes!! Love the desperate southy spin!

gonefishn
Salt Lake City, UT

@duckhunter
Your statement speaks for itself as does your total obsession with Utah.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@gofish and all others that replied. Thanks for more hypocrisy.

LOL!

FatMan86
West Jordan, UT

@Duckyhunter,

While I couldn't agree more with your assessment that claims of superiority and dominance coming from the U are silly this early on, I find myself somewhat amazed that any die hard Cougar supporter would actually dare call them out. I've watched BYU hype up their season to uncharted levels year after year, only to have reality on the field fall far short of the expectations. Do I really need to remind you about the "Quest"? And that was just the tip of the iceberg.

The U needs to get a grip too! That PAC membership and supposed 4 star recruiting means nothing from a credibility standpoint if the Utes and these "new stars" get kicked around again in conference. And no, all is not forgiven as long as they beat BYU. Utah needs PAC 12 wins, probably a lot of them, to gain credibility.

sammyg
Springville, UT

"It led a defense that ranked second in the Pac-12 against the rush last year."

Ahhh, the bright spot of last year's bowl-less season. Being #2 in one stat.

Well girlse and boys, defense doesn't win games as evidenced by last year's holiday bowl break. So all of that great talent going to the NFL doesn't mean squat this year.

Sugar coating this story saying the Utes lost this and that to the NFL doesn't change the hard facts, there's a void to be filled and the preseason coach bluster to go with it is pretty funny.

And Duckhunter drilling and hitting a nerve is even funnier.

Carson
Provo, UT

Will Ducky ever go troll somewhere else? It won'T happen because that would mean He has been cured of his Utes jealously.obsession and inferiority complex.

steeleute
Sandy, UT

sammyg:

Also evidenced by Utah beating BYU. I have to say I really do agree with you and Ducky that Whitt is talking a bit too much and throwing out some compliments that are way too high overrated but any BYU fan has no room to talk about players or coaches hyping things up too much.

U 90
Corona, CA

Hypocrisy begins when opposing "fans" are the first to post on a Utah thread trashing Ute coaches and fans. Why would any Y fan make those types of comments when they have such fresh examples of hype coming out of their own backyard (see Apo, Anae 1.0, Doman, Anae 2.0 plus all the previously mentioned examples)?

CO Ute
PARKER, CO

@Duckhunter

I'm really struggling with you comment .. "I'm just pointing out more utah "fan" hypocrisy, which isn't hard to do nor do I ever have to wait long to find some."

You were the very first person to post on this article which makes it impossible to point out fan hypocrisy. Maybe you should at least wait long enough for someone to make a post before trying to enrage all the Utah fans.

Regarding the article, I see nothing wrong with Coach Whit saying player are 'among the best' or 'are in the upper echelon'. Glad to see him supporting our team.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@co ute

A couple of things, I agree with you and see no problem with whittingham saying he thinks this or that about certain players. But that is where the utah "fan" hypocrisy comes in. You know this because you read all of the threads for both schools so you know that utah "fans" mock and criticize BYU coaches, players, and fans for making any sort of similar assertion. It is constant from them, all of the "pre season national champions" comments, etc.

But we get an article here, and this isn't the first one, were some utah coaches and players engage in similar, if not worse, hyperbole about their own players or prospects and there is silence, or agreement, on the part of utah "fans". It is hypocrisy and since those utah "fans" enjoy pointing out excesses from BYU people I enjoy exposing their hypocrisy.

Now that said who really knows if any of what these utah coaches and players claimed is true or not, I certainly don't, but that isn't the point.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Last year we were picked to finish 2nd in the South from 8 to 10 wins. Then injuries exposed the reality that we lacked PAC-12 depth, in particular at QB, OL, LB.

This year the depth looks promising but I'll wait until after game three to make any assessments about this Ute team.

@Duckhunter

"Tradition, Spirit, Honor"

Which one are you reflecting with your posts?

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@uteology

I'm a fan of a sports program, nothing more. of course I want to thank you for once again exposing your standard utah "fan" hypocrisy of trying to hold BYU fans to a higher standard than you hold yourself and other utah "fans".

Tell me how well do you think your constant negative posts on BYU articles represent the university of utah?

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

Yeah we are all invited to the hype train on this article. It's a positive entertainment for me though. During this time of year it's interesting to pay attention where we can, to the goings on in the fall camps. There is the hype of image and potential, there are the new schemes (changes/coaches), the emerging performers, the injuries, the drama, and the mocking of the rival (which is mostly based on camp story lines).

@Duckhunter

There are comments of yours sometimes that I don't take any exception with. Usually it's condolences for a fallen Ute, or a quick and less abrasive take or comment. But here, I can't believe that such a meaty, lengthy and critical take of the Utes could be received so well from me. Basically I agree with everything you said, the first comment that is. The others fell into the 'hypocrisy' come back wagon thing (defensive mode).

It sounds lame to talk about having conference elite players when you aren't winning the at least two thirds of your games. But that said, Utah has developed some NFL talent. Wins would be better though.

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