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Getting to 10: What BYU, Utah and Utah State must do to win 10 games this fall

Published: Thursday, July 11 2013 11:31 p.m. MDT

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One of the biggest question marks in 2012 was how the defensive line would stand up with so many inexperienced players.

Those question marks quickly vanished. The Aggie defense was sixth in sacks per game, seventh in scoring defense, 13th in rushing defense, 14th in total defensive, eighth in passing efficiency defense and 32nd in passing defense.

Clearly, the Aggies boasted one of the best rush defenses in the nation in 2012. Al Lapuaho, Havea Lasike, B.J. Larsen, Jordan Nielsen, Doughty, Zach Vigil and Kyler Fackrell made sure of that.

The 2013 version of the defensive line is virtually unchanged. Five of the seven top spots on the front seven two-deep are currently occupied by seniors — Doughty, Larsen and Vigil being the most notable. Those guys will have to replicate 2012 to some degree if the Aggies are going to make it to 10 Ws.
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SamoanYfan
WEST JORDAN, UT

Well since BYU and USU are not in a prestigious BCS conference like Utah is it's completely irrelevant for them to get 10 wins...ain't that right Chris B.? I mean, it's better to "lose every game in the PAC-12 than be independent" right?

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Astounding--

"Improvements on offense will surely boost their conversion rate, however, the Utes still must focus on moving the chains instead of trying making big plays at the risk of stalling drives.

More short-yardage plays would ease the pressure of having to rely on hit-or-miss big plays in third-and-long situations."

I'm embarrassed for the author of this article. Hopefully, self-pride kicks in and he reproduces it in a manner conducive to his capabilities!

Here's a hint--

"Wilson has 7 starts under his belt....Our O-Line hasn't had this much depth in years and its overall health enabled chemistry to build during Spring camp where we didn't suffer one, single injury from start-to-finish, something Coach KW struggled to remember when it happened last w/in our program!"

Novels were written about 2-Star byu, yet you people couldn't tell us more about our stable of RBs, individually, more about Coach DE's impact on our backs/plans for them, etc.?

eagle
Provo, UT

I don't think any of these teams reaches 10 wins this year.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

I was really disappointed with the Utah defense last year. It was one of the worst defenses in recent times.

The offense had an excuse with a new OC and QB, but the defense had no excuse with two NFL players on the line. Sitake's defense was brilliant in Season 1 and horrible in Season 2. If we expect to win 8-10 games this year then we'll need the defense to play like Season 1.

Striker
Omaha, NE

10 wins will be tough for any team. Utah has the hardest challenge losing their average QB, top RB, multiple top defensive players, and other key players, as well as now playing Oregon/Stanford. BYU and usu have a good chunk of their team coming back.

Most likely to get 10 wins:
1. BYU
2. usu
3. Utah

USU was only down 7 to UNLV at home last year in the 4th quarter, so the MWC will be tougher than those fans think. AFA and SDSU are no slouches either.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

For Utah to get 10 wins, they'd need an easier schedule... like BYU's.
12th toughest schedule vs 49th toughest schedule makes a difference.

dropout
Logan, UT

@Striker - USU only trailed by 4 to UNLV with 14:00 left in the 2nd last year at home, they then took a 10-7 lead 3 min later and ended the game 35-13. USU's last loss to a team in the MWC was a 21-31 defeat by FSU back in Oct. of 2011. Since then they have gone 6-0 against teams currently in the MWC. Obviously the games against AFA, Boise will be tough, but they should be able to close out their conference schedule with 5 wins against Wyo, Co.St., UNLV, Hawaii, and UNM. They do not play SDSU this next year as USU is in the 'Mountain' division and SDSU is in the 'West' division. The only MWC team from the 'West' division USU plays this year is Hawaii.

965
Sandy, UT

I don't think any Utah teams will have a 10 win season this year. USU has the best shot but even then I think they lose to Utah and BYU which means they can't lose any other games.

Any way, yeah no Utah team is going to accumulate more than 9 wins in my opinion.

logicalsportsanalyst
West Jordan, UT

BYU- I think BYU has the best shot at a 10 win season. They have the right number of remaining starters, and renewed energy with coaching changes and the challenge of a tough schedule. Bronco's allegiance to Nelson was poisonous to the offense.

USU- Will have an 8-9 Win Season. They will not fall as far as most think with the loss of Coach Andersen. They have something to prove, and though the MWC will be challenging, USU is up for it. Chuckie is a great QB(I think a little overrated here in the state of Utah, but definitely a great QB)

Utah-I think Utah will go bowling this year. Not saying they are going to get to 10 wins, because they won't. I see a 6 and a VERY slight chance of 7 win season for Utah. One of Utah's biggest woes as of late was Wynn- and I blame Coach Whit for it. He is a great coach, but his allegiance to the Injury Prone(putting it lightly, if the man blinked to much he would be injured) Wynn was as bad as Bronco's allegiance to Nelson.

wwookie
Payson, UT

USU has the easiest schedule and best shot of getting 10 wins, but the changing of the guard at coach will probably keep them from gettng there. 8 or 9 wins should still be enough to build on and add to the aggie name.

BYU has a mediocre schedule and should get to 8 wins easily. It is getting two more wins that will be difficult. They will need to win the tough games early in the season before the better teams become solidified. Always easier to win a top 25 team in the beginning of the season.

Utah has the most difficult schedule ever facecd by any team in the history of the state. Just getting to a bowl game will be victory in a rebuilding year. Too much needs to improve for the Utes to get to double digit wins. Probably will go 6-6. The key to those six wins is beating Utah State.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Utah can't never win 10 games.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Utah 30
byu 14

Mark it Down.

I personally guarantee it.

dropout
Logan, UT

@Chris B- You cant 'personally guarante' something you have absolutely no control over.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

What's the general consensus among my fellow UTES on here regarding this particular write-up on our UTES and their corresponding "10 To Win 10"?

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Though it pains me to say as a Y fan, I agree with some that USU has the best chance at 10 wins. They have the most returning starters, along with the best QB (at least for now) in the state. Their schedule is also much easier than BYU and Utah's. That said, I also agree with most posters that 10 wins is a pipe dream for any of these teams this year. Still excited for it all to get started though!

Robroy
Murray, utah

For Utah to get 10 wins it would take a miracle and that's not going to happen.

Robroy
Murray, utah

Unfortunately none of the BIG three teams will win 10 this year, maybe 8 or 9 at best.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

"For Utah to get 10 wins, they'd need an easier schedule... like BYU's."

What good would an easier schedule do U? U still have to get by Colorado.

ekute
Layton, UT

If each team won 10 games, the quality of post season bowls for each team would be different.

That's one of the advantages of the PAC.

Even USU would get a better bowl than byu if they both had 10 wins.

ekute
Layton, UT

ygrad,

And you still have to get by Utah. lol.

965
Sandy, UT

@Ernest

"Utah can't never win 10 games"

This is exactly why BYU fans can't be taken seriously.

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

ekute

"IF" is the key word for U.

Theoretically, Utah would get a better bowl game with 10 wins; practically speaking, the Utes have less of a chance of getting to 10 wins, than BYU has of playing in a BCS bowl.

It'll be interesting to see how USU does in the MWC; my prediction, 4th or 5th.

BYU 31
Utah 14

Mark it down Chris!

sdunn
Spanish Fork, UT

How is Arizona St. a tossup game when Utah have been destroyed by them the past 2 years?

54-10
Salt Lake City, UT

Utah would have to play BYU 12 times a year to reach 10 wins. With the 2013 schedule, they won't reach 10 wins.

FatMan86
West Jordan, UT

@Chris B,

Utah will continue to embarrass the state of Utah in 2013.

BYU will do the same. (Hi Ducky)

Mark it down.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

BYU and usu at least have a chance to get 10 wins, utah has no chance. And it isn't just utah's schedule that is going to prevent it, it is that they simply are not going to be very good. They'll probably lose to both usu and BYU and will probably lose to very pac12 team other than colorado and maybe washington st. a 3 win season for them is a real possiblity. There is not one single "for sure" win on utah's schedule. Not even weber although they should win that game.

BYU could win anywhere from 8-10 although I think 8 is more likely. They still have 4 almost for sure wins and 4 more decidely in their favor. The ranked teams will be tough but they should get 1-3 wins there depending on how the ball bounces.

usu will win 8-9. They will more than likely beat utah again and will beat the bad mwc teams and at best split against the good ones. They will not get 10 wins and will not wind up ranked.

DPTCougar
Eagle Mountain, UT

As long as any team is doing the right thing on and off the field they can all reach 10 wins. For those of you who obviously don't know, Ernest T. Bass is a Ute fan, but as a Cougar fan I quite enjoy his one-liners and innuendos and wish I were half as creative and witty. I think 9 wins for BYU is possible only if they beat Utah, which hasn't been promising in the past few years. I think Mendenhall will get out coached by Mack Brown and Brian Kelly. The Wisconsin game could actually be interesting because Mendenhall always has a top 10 run defense, but seems to get burned one game per year, which I think will be the Texas game. Coming off a bye week before playing Utah and Wisconsin is looking good for BYU.

ekute
Layton, UT

duck,

Utah's chances of getting 10 wins or no less than byu's. Although Utah has a tougher schedule, we will beat byu and we have a better team.

Go Utes.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Y Grad / Y Dad--

"SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

What good would an easier schedule do U? U still have to get by Colorado."

That's correct, just as we successfully did this last year.

Marked it Down--

"....practically speaking, the Utes have less of a chance of getting to 10 wins, than BYU has of playing in a BCS bowl."

Based upon which method of calculation did you conclude this "opinion" of yours?

2-Star byu would need to go undefeated, something they haven't done in nearly 30 years. Ask usu how difficult going undefeated actually is, regardless of SOS. Yet, UTAH's done it twice recently as a non-BCS school, including in '08 when their final SOS ranking was among the nation's toughest. Meanwhile, 2-Star byu hasn't even remotely sniffed an undefeated season/BCS Bowl Game, to date, and with the toughest SOS they've faced in history, per typical 2-Star byu standards, although still ripe with week-off, particularly preceding their tougher games. 2-Star byu will immediately cement this trend continuing, upon 2013 commencing, at the latest most likely in Game 2, although losing to UVA wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Aggie238
Logan, UT

I think wwookie has about the most accurate assessment here. I would add that all three teams have made significant upgrades in the scheduling department relative to previous years, and consequently will have 1-2 fewer wins this year than last, with the exception of Utah whom I think will stay the same or perhaps win one more due to on-field and recruiting improvements as well as beginning to adjust to life in the PAC. I think they will finally have a big upset this year.

My prediction: UState: 8-10 wins, BYU: 7-9 wins, UoU: 5-6 wins, UState finally sweeps the U and the Y in the same year, BYU beats Utah in a thriller, and someone from the SEC wins the NC. (I know, I know, that last one is pretty bold, but I'm sticking to it)

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Striker--

"BYU and usu have a good chunk of their team coming back."

Indeed, usu returns many key starters, although they lost the entirety of CK's supporting cast in their backfield on O, as well as 2 d-linemen/2 DBs on D. I'm not convinced these replacements will be up to speed by the conclusion of the first part of 2013, let alone by kickoff of Game 1. Per Scout, 100% of their latest recruiting class consisted exclusively of 2-Star recruits. It took time to build themselves up to the level of '12 under Coach GA.

However, 2-Star byu returns merely 4 starters on what was considered to be their strength last season, their D. On O, they return more starters on what was considered to be a complete joke, their O. Anae is the sole reason for hope, and he may very well produce improvement on this side of the football in time, but it won't materialize anytime during the beginning of 2013, if at all. Remember, he was previously run-off for a good reason, in spite of the typical PRE-season hype utah county is notorious for.

SportzFan
Salt Lake City, UT

AZUTE1,

Those BCS bowls are getting further and further in the rearview mirror, and as they fade, BYU's National Championship shines brighter still than mere 2nd tier bowl wins. Yes, 2nd tier. The first tier is the National Championship. No non-Ute-homer would ever dispute this.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

It is very funny that the difference in schedule strength between the three teams is that USU and BYU both have to play Utah lowering their SOS, while Utah has BYU and USU on the schedule raising its SOS.

It is also funny that the anti-BYU fans out there call a schedule with four top-25 teams on it a weak schedule. These are the same anti-fans that call the 2012 schedule weak (five t25 teams).

Utah has a tough schedule. They lost their best players from the 5-7 team last year including nearly every non-kicking scorers. If Utah makes a bowl it will be overachieving considering what they are up against. BYU has perhaps their second best schedule after 2004. They have to earn those wins, but should make it to 10 with a bowl win. USU is the beast at the table. Disrespected and defiant, USU is going to take down Utah and USC to start the year. I fully expect Chuckie to stay healthy and guide USU to something special. I just hope BYU can pin a win on them.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

sdunn

"How is Arizona St. a tossup game when Utah have been destroyed by them the past 2 years?"

Your conclusion is based exclusively upon final margins only, not upon what actually transpired during both games.

2011--

With 2:34 left in the 3rd quarter, UTAH led the game, 14-13. Remember, this was Hays' 1st start and it took him 4 games to learn what the difference was between DII football and FBS/BCS football was, it was this utterly painful to witness. Hays single-handily gave ASU 21 points within 03:54 off-the-clock, beginning at tail-end of 3rd/ending beginning of 4th, through a series of fluke/slapstick-comedy like errors. ASU did nothing, whatsoever, to earn these points, Hays was this inept. Our D played a phenomenal game and kept us in it 100%, 'til Hays took the game over for ASU. Box Score is virtually identical on both sides, including holding ASU to 74 total rushing yards on 38 carries for the game, excepting solely our 5 TOs/abundance of 3-and-outs. ASU insiders readily/voluntarily admit, had we played later during the season, we beat them, w/ease!

[Cont'd]

Tomasina
Cedar Hills, UT

Regardless of wins and losses, I am ready for the football to begin. While I would love an endless streak of undefeated seasons... its not going to happen. I love football more than any team, and enjoy nothing more than simply going to a game. Can't wait for the season to start, regardless of the outcome. Go Utes.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

AZUTE:
"However, 2-Star byu returns merely 4 starters on what was considered to be their strength last season, their D".

Nope, BYU returns 6 starters on defense...maybe you're thinking of cellar-dweller Utah.

The rest of your post sounds more like wishful thinking and desperately trying to minimize BYU and USU because your afraid of inevitable losses to both of them despite your supposed 4 star athletes.

Tomasina
Cedar Hills, UT

SportzFan,

No matter what happens with the current format, an almost 30 year old national championship does not shine brighter than a recent major win. Don't get me wrong, I will be honest enough to say that I wish we had won one as well... but the reality is that focusing on something that is moving increasingly into the past is a bit weak. Enjoy the championship, but the time to use it as ammo is a bit passed... especially with the nature of the championship.

The reality is that BYU went undefeated that year... which is nothing more than Utah and another number of schools have done in recent years. Until a playoff is in place... you (you and all other other mythical champions) accomplished nothing more than other schools that have done the same.

whowhatwhy
Shire, 00

Hey minus the few normal attacks and lame NORMAL HATING fans....pretty good comments. Here is my take:

I'm a huge Aggie Fan-I think they can for sure win 10 games! Why, well because I'm a huge Aggie fan :-) And they for sure have the talent to do it and the schedule.

Ute fans....enough is enough with going off about BYU's schedule and how yours is stronger! There is no way to know who's schedule is truly stronger as none of those teams are tested yet! BYU has a freaking crazy schedule! I wish them the best of luck. 10 wins. I don't see it!

BYU Fans....Come on! Quit with the UTE attacks! They by far have the toughest schedule in Utah and close to the Nations toughest (top 10)...going off of how teams did last year. To say they have NO chance to win 10.....come on really? Of course they have a chance. I for one hope they only lose 1 game! There first :-)

Go Aggs!!!
Go Utes!!!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

sdunn

"How is Arizona St. a tossup game when Utah have been destroyed by them the past 2 years?"

[Cont'd]

I'll mention right here--

I'm a longtime ASU football season ticket holder and follow both UTAH/ASU closely, w/their annual mtg of particularly special interest to me. UTAH #1/ASU #2 in my book.

Last year was a perfect storm, in that ASU was typically rolling to begin the season, much hype surrounding Coach TG and, not remotely unimportant, ASU's distinct homefield advantage during September w/our AZ Heat. It's significantly hotter at field-level, which explains ASU's home record, historically, during this month is what it is.

Our lack-of-depth was exposed during this game, big-time. Playing against mid-major/2-Star byu was 1 thing, but most certainly otherwise against ASU w/BCS-talent/-depth! I'm not excusing it, merely stating irrefutable facts, in explanation of how it could've happened. Furthermore, ASU did their damage in the 1st half before we, as is virtually always the case, made halftime-adjustments/shut them down in 2nd half. ASU played their starters virtually entire 3rd, producing merely 3 points. Halftime, 31-7.

[Cont'd]

whowhatwhy
Shire, 00

Oh and have the New OC that the Utes got! That guy is just amazing. I truly think he will add +10 pts or more a game! But again I could be completely wrong!

Go Aggies!

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

AZUTE,

"Your conclusion is based exclusively upon final margins only, not upon what actually transpired during both games."

I agree that Utah was competitive in year 1 against ASU, but last year's game was utterly embarrassing for Ute fans. I haven't left a game more humiliated in a long time. I know how BYU fans felt after the 54-10 beatdown (only most of them were gone by Q3).

I don't see how the ASU game is a toss up game. Until Utah beats ASU, it's not a 50-50 game.

I think Utah is in the 4-6 win category this year, based on a difficult SOS and few returning starters. I think the defense will take a step back and the offense will improve (not hard to do, given how bad it has been).

As for BYU, I think they will struggle with a more difficult schedule. 7 wins. There has been much talk about how improved the schedule is but U of Va was 4-8 last year, Houston is not that good, the brains behind Nevada's potent offense is gone. Only games that are hard are BSU, ND, Texas, USU, Utah, and WI.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

sdunn

"How is Arizona St. a tossup game when Utah have been destroyed by them the past 2 years?"

[Cont'd]

This type of a loss, which was exacted rapidly and rendered the game utterly anti-climatic, was precisely what we needed at this junxture and, consequently, our level of play, not coincidentally, significantly higher afterward. Of course, getting a number of key-starters back from injury most certainly helped our cause, as well.

Compare how both schools fared against same opponents later, in order to see how this final margin was a fluke, although ASU was unquestionably the better team.

However, it was interesting to watch what occurred w/ASU, once Will Sutton went down early against UO, which rendered this game equally anti-climatic and created a domino-effect throughout the team which turned the game equally into a fluke-scenario, as ASU was mentally unprepared for losing their indisputable team leader and proceeded to go on a lengthy losing streak, before WS returned and they finished their season strong. WS has a similar impact on the game as Star did for us. He's the type of utterly unique player which comes along only rarely over the years.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

DevilishUte--

"I agree that Utah was competitive in year 1 against ASU, but last year's game was utterly embarrassing for Ute fans. I haven't left a game more humiliated in a long time. I know how BYU fans felt after the 54-10 beatdown (only most of them were gone by Q3)."

I feel you on how I felt, but before I saw our respective seasons unfold and was able to reflect upon it in full.

Playing anybody inside of R.E.S. makes a difference, regardless. Playing a warm-weather school such as ASU at home during November also makes a difference, both due to having a bunch of games already played/weather-wise.

Historically, we've successfully reloaded at D-Line. If we keep BB/RH healthy/on the field, we significantly mitigate our LB lack of speed and having even mediocre production on O, only makes our challenge on D that much less of an issue.

Certain players must step-up, to see success in 2013, but remember that we're recruiting a significantly higher-caliber of player these days, overall.

I don't ever guarantee any outcome, definitively, but I see likely possibilites where others don't.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

There is NO chance that any team from Utah will get 10 wins.

USU's success last year and their team this year are apples and oranges. I still think they will have the most wins of the three schools, but 8, maybe 9 will be the max.

byU will be fighting for a bowl game this year. It's just really good for them that they still have Mid Tenn St and Idaho St as gimmees, and maybe Houston. The rest of the games are nowhere near set in stone. But, if Taysom still has a knee by the middle of the season, and if they play up to their capability on defense, they have a chance at 8 wins, but only if they get passed Utah and Utah St.

As a Utah fan, my honest belief is that Utah will start 4-0, but the absolute cap to our wins will be 7, maybe 8 with extreme luck. Most likely, we will finish 6-6 during the rebuilding year. But, with the O-line solid this year, and with a starting QB who is not afraid to take a hit, and without Kruger's volatility --- you never know.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

cougsndawgs--

"Nope, BYU returns 6 starters on defense...maybe you're thinking of cellar-dweller Utah."

Hysterical that we continue to be referred to by the 2-Star byu fanbase, in general, as a, "cellar-dweller", when we, among myriad other obvious factors in existence, have utterly owned 2-Star byu over the past decade+!

I based my number upon what Phil Steele reported. He calculates his numbers based upon long-standing methods of his. Perhaps, you could take it up w/him, somebody who's, BTW, widely respected and now works for 2-Star byu's idol, ESPN, as well!

Regardless, it runs counter to what makes sense to assume 2-Star byu will not face a challenge, or merely an insignificant one, in maintaining the same level of play w/so many departed starters, yet UTAH can't be given this same, identical latitude by 2-Star byu's fanbase, in general.

I'm interested to hear evidence in support of this line of thinking which would reflect any realistic commonsense, whatsoever?

[Cont'd]

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

cougsndawgs--

[Cont'd]

This is nothing personal w/you, but rather a general statement regarding the 2-Star byu fanbase--

I'm not biting at every turn on the ubiquitous spin those of us existing on the outside of The Bubble routinely see emanating out of utah county. If you choose to view it in this light, it's your prerogative, but I choose to view it otherwise!

Scores
Idaho Falls, ID

Schedule strength changes from week to week during the season. When all is said and done the only thing that really matters is winning. I hope they all do well. I see BYU with a 9 win regular season....USU with 8 and Utah lucky to win 6.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Cougsndawgs: "maybe you're thinking of cellar-dweller Utah." "...desperately trying to minimize BYU".

Since Utah is now 3-0 over byU, and you erroneously think Utah the "cellar-dweller", you just minimized byU by your post. Utah fans don't have to "try" to minimize byU, byU fans do it for us! Belittling Utah as a horrible football school just does nothing for your school's credibility if you can't beat Utah!

Sometimes the game is just too easy.

Go Utes. Onward and Upward.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

I don't know about my fellow UTES on here, but I gleaned absolutely nothing whatsoever, upon reading this particular write-up on our 2013 season.

In reality, I'm stumped as to how what was published here is supposed to enhance our understanding of the current state-of-affairs, so to speak, w/in our program? Anybody else come away w/the same, identical impression? What, precisely, are we supposed to learn from it? I'm mystified by it, actually!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

VegasUte--

"As a Utah fan, my honest belief is that Utah will start 4-0, but the absolute cap to our wins will be 7, maybe 8 with extreme luck. Most likely, we will finish 6-6 during the rebuilding year. But, with the O-line solid this year, and with a starting QB who is not afraid to take a hit, and without Kruger's volatility --- you never know."

Our '13 schedule is favorable in the sense we have a preferable mixture of home/away games. I'm more hopeful than I've been to date that we'll garner our 1st signature win in 2013!

Regarding this article, why was the author repeatedly stating that TW lacks experience/playing time, when he in fact started our final 7 games last year and was here during Spring camp both in '12/'13 [It's immaterial as to my point, but I've drawn a blank as to whether TW enrolled early for/participated in Spring '12, which I'll promptly ascertain here in short-order?]

Also, why was there no mention of what's in fact the reality of our O-Line currently coming out of '13 Spring camp, depth-/health-wise?

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

Here are the schedules in order of most difficult game to least:

UtahBYUUSU

OregonNotre DameUSC
StanfordTexasBoise St
USCWisconsinBYU
BYUBoise StAFA
USUUSUUtah
AZUtahSJSU
ASUGA Tech NM
UCLAHouston Col ST
Oregon St.NevadaWyoming
Wash St.Md TN StHawaii
ColoradoVirginiaUNLV
Weber StID StWeber St

Utah should have three certain wins, BYU and USU six. It is the first four games of each slate that are what I consider the big time games. I don't see much difference between the three schools in schedule strength. Both USU and BYU have the ponies to win 10 games this year. If Utah makes it to a bowl, they will have had a successful year.

All the talk about Utah recruiting against BYU makes no sense. Utah needs to focus on recruiting against USC, UCLA, AZ and AZ St. so they can win their division. Utah only holds a recruiting advantage versus Colorado. They have to improve.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Scores

"Schedule strength changes from week to week during the season. When all is said and done the only thing that really matters is winning. I hope they all do well. I see BYU with a 9 win regular season....USU with 8 and Utah lucky to win 6."

SOS involves more than this. If one were to review 2-Star byu's '13 schedule, one would see the following--

2 bye-weeks immediately preceding both UTAH/WISC, MTSU before usu, UH before BSU and ISU before ND. In other words, it's ripe w/weeks-off, "breathers" if you will, immediately preceding the tougher games.

Our schedule varies significantly from this by virtue of being arranged into a legitimate back-to-back, week-in, week-out grind. Reference our mid-season 8-game stretch. Furthermore, keep in mind that UCLA receives an identical bye-week as we do and ASU plays at WAZZU on Thursday during our bye-week, which mitigates our advantage by 2 full-days, which is not even remotely insignificant, essentially rendering our advantage as in fact not much at all and leaving our homefield-/weather-advantages, alone, in what's in fact truly remaining, in the end!

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: AZUTE1

The Utes are referred to as "cellar dwellers" because the dwell in the cellar of their conference. Let me try to further explain that to you so you can understand. When most of the teams in your conference have a better record than you, then you are at the bottom of the conference. This has nothing to do with the one game you play each year with the team that you've supposedly left behind.

"I base my number upon what Phil Steele reported."

Is this the same Phil Steele that reported BYU would win nine games, beat Utah, and have a top 40 preseason rank?

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Steven S Jarvis--

"All the talk about Utah recruiting against BYU makes no sense. Utah needs to focus on recruiting against USC, UCLA, AZ and AZ St. so they can win their division. Utah only holds a recruiting advantage versus Colorado. They have to improve."

You must've missed it. This website ran an article not too long ago detailing the ever-widening disparity in in-state recruiting between all 3 universities. It's overwhelmingly tilted in UTAH's favor.

Which is precisely why I oppose continuing to keep 2-Star byu on our schedule going forward. It's does nothing, whatsoever for us in recruiting, unlike FSU in CA/Michigan in National Appeal, for instance.

For the record, per Scout, 19 of the 28 total recruits constituting 2-Star byu's '13 recruiting class were rated 2-Stars, as were 100% of usu's '13 recruiting class!

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Utah plays the states toughest schedule ever and that's with 3rd year PAC-12 depth. So IMO winning 8 games is a major accomplishment and 6-6 is a decent year.

BYU should win 8 games, 10 wins is a major accomplishment.

I think USU has the best chance of finishing with 10 wins, but they must beat BYU and lose to Utah.

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

Jarvis,

I can tell that you don't follow the PAC that closely if you think U of A will be a more difficult opponent for Utah than ASU, UCLA, and OSU. In addition, it's absurd to think that the schedules are similar in difficulty.

SOS is not an excuse; Utah took on the PAC12 challenge. Time to win!

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Wiscougarfan

The "cellar dweller" is that team you beat by 40 at LES not lost by 40 at LES.

OVERALL in 2 years:

Washington (14-12)
Utah (13-12)
Washington State (7-16)
Colorado (4-21)

I think you said you had a PhD. So I will let you explain the difference.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

AZUTE1: The most critical improvement this year over last is the O-line. That will be huge in our improvement this year and in the future. That and DE's play calling. I love Johnson, I think he will be one of the great football coaching minds of the future, but he was just way too timid with the play calling last year, especially on third downs. DE currently is one of the greatest football coaching minds.

I am not as concerned as most about our defense this year as most. 2012 had KW working too much with the offense because of how green Johnson was. I think the defense suffered a great deal because of that. That was demonstrated by the irrational and dumb, dumb mistakes. The face mask call against byU was absolutely dreadful. byU would never have been in the position to tie the game at the end if he had just pushed Nelson aside like a rag doll - safety and we get the ball back. The ejection at USU was worse. Now KW doesn't have to worry about the offense and can focus more on what he does best.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

wiscougarfan--

"The Utes are referred to as 'cellar dwellers' because the dwell in the cellar of their conference. Let me try to further explain that to you so you can understand. When most of the teams in your conference have a better record than you, then you are at the bottom of the conference. This has nothing to do with the one game you play each year with the team that you've supposedly left behind."

This merely serves to strengthen my point in my comment immediately preceding yours which addresses the difference[s] in our respective schedules.

As does 2-Star byu, in 5 games against The PAC-12, have wins only against the 2 teams finishing at the bottom of the conference standings and got absolutely brutally curb-stomped at home by the only 2 teams which finished the season w/a winning record. Their 5th game was their latest annual loss against UTAH, making them 0-2 against UTAH. They didn't play these 5 back-to-back, to boot!

"Is this the same Phil Steele that reported BYU would win nine games, beat Utah, and have a top 40 preseason rank?"

Equally strengthens my comment above!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Scores

"Schedule strength changes from week to week during the season. When all is said and done the only thing that really matters is winning. I hope they all do well. I see BYU with a 9 win regular season....USU with 8 and Utah lucky to win 6."

[Cont'd]

This why Phil Steele's '13 SOS rankings finds 2-Star byu's barely inside of the nation's Top-50% at #49 and UTAH's among the nation's absolute toughest at #12!

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Wiscougarfan:

Again you use the term "cellar-dweller", yet you can't beat Utah. Must be awful to not be able to beat a "cellar-dweller".

Fish in a barrel!

Go Utes!!

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

People just don't understand Ernest T. Bass. He is the best poster regardless of which school he is a fan of!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

In response to my own question above regarding TW, here's what our Official Website had to say--

"UTAH: Projected starter took the reins midway through his freshman season...became the fourth Ute true freshman to start at quarterback since the NCAA restored freshman eligibility in 1972...

graduated from high school early and enrolled at Utah spring semester of 2012...

has added 30 pounds to his frame since high school...mobile at 6'6", 240 pounds, he has good passing and running skills."

U 90
Corona, CA

Sorry to inform you... none of the Utah teams will hit 10 wins

Utah's SOS is #12... too much for them to overcome. Best case 8-4

Utah State has new coaching staff. Best case 9-3

There's no way BYU goes 7-2 against the following: Virgina, Utah, Utah State, Texas, Boise St, GA Tech, Notre Dame, Houston, Wisconsin. Best case 7-5

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

DevilishUte

"Jarvis,

I can tell that you don't follow the PAC that closely if you think U of A will be a more difficult opponent for Utah than ASU, UCLA, and OSU. In addition, it's absurd to think that the schedules are similar in difficulty."

Bingo....I'll take a step further and state how rrod absolutely lucked into MS being available upon his arrival down there on Speedway! Not the case in 2013, although his other good fortune, KC, still remains but w/out the certainty of a definitively effective passing-game to keep Ds honest.

"SOS is not an excuse; Utah took on the PAC12 challenge. Time to win!"

I've stated repeatedly on here that we UTES wouldn't have our SOS any differently and appreciate having available to us the highest-level of competition possible. We bring-up SOS, merely to refute the erroneous claims surfacing on these threads regarding records.

Uteology

"@Wiscougarfan

The 'cellar dweller' is that team you beat by 40 at LES not lost by 40 at LES.

OVERALL in 2 years:"

Additionally--

'11/'12 Conference Records--

ua 6-12
oregon state 9-9
Ucla 11-7
ASU 9-9
UTAH 7-11
CAL 6-12

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

U 90

"Sorry to inform you..."

Keep in mind, UH's stud SR RB Sims transferred-out. In addition, UH returns merely 5 from an absolutely horrible D. Some might view it as addition by subtraction, but not at a place such as UH.

Otherwise, it's highly possible they lose all of the above, which would be utterly priceless, due to their deliberate efforts to strategically enhance their chances for success w/all of their scheduled weeks-offs/"breathers"!

Barnbug1
SPANISH FORK, UT

I like to post a comment or 2 as much as the next guy and I don't get on other teams boards, but does this endless "my dad can beat up your dad" stuff go on anywhere else? AZUTE1... 3 hrs. posting on a stupid article about nothing? Dude, get a hobby or something.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

VegasUte--

"AZUTE1:I am not as concerned as most about our defense this year as most. 2012 had KW working too much with the offense because of how green Johnson was. I think the defense suffered a great deal because of that. That was demonstrated by the irrational and dumb, dumb mistakes. The face mask call against byU was absolutely dreadful. byU would never have been in the position to tie the game at the end if he had just pushed Nelson aside like a rag doll - safety and we get the ball back. The ejection at USU was worse. Now KW doesn't have to worry about the offense and can focus more on what he does best."

I've detailed frequently w/in previous comments, supplementing what you factually presented right here, the reality of how we, ourselves alone, via unforced errors squandered our commanding 24-7 4th quarter lead and 100% allowed 2-Star byu back into our game against them. Hysterical!

Coach DE's short-term impact is well-documented, w/his long-term impact bridging Coach BJ's transition into his destiny as a Superstar-Coach!

I agree 100% w/your assessment on our D....See my assessment above!

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

AZUTE1

Obsessed much?

"BYU hasn't even remotely sniffed an undefeated season/BCS Bowl Game"

Actually, BYU wasn't that far off of either an undefeated season or a BCS Bowl Game with back-to-back 11-2, Top 15 finishes in 2006 and 2007. That's what the whole "Quest" thing was all about - taking it to the next level.

On the other hand, Utah has just as many losses to 10-loss teams (and more recently) as they've undefeated seasons recently. In other words, Utah is much more likely to lose to anybody on their schedule, than they are to win 10 games, something the Utes have seldom done in their entire history, let alone as a member of a big boy conference.

The Utes will finish with somewhere between 3 and 5 wins.

Mark it down.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

AZUTE

There is no point in recruiting against BYU. You have to recruit against the schools in the PAC in order to be competitive. If Utah continues to have weaker recruiting classes versus the league than they likely will have poorer results against the league. Yet all that seems important to a select few Utah fans is that they have to beat BYU more than anything.

The preoccupation with BYU by Utah fans, the storming of the field multiple times, the we beat your team out for a recruit, is not going to help Utah win their division or even to beat teams with winning records in your league.

It would be wise to drop BYU from the schedule. It is by far the MOST important game of the year and while the other games are interesting, the emotion, the fire and spirit that is expelled on the BYU game has resulted in the Utes falling short where it should matter most to them--in league play.

cowboy51
Laporte, CO

Can the daily Utah, BYU, USU football articles stop. They are worthless. Let the teams speak for themselves come late august and September. None of the programs can are At the level of debating who is better. One team has been punched in the face by the PAC 12. One team had a quality season for the first time in 20 years and the other has been winning a weak schedule with poor WAC teams and has lost to the team being punched in the face. Give it a break.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Uteology--

"The offense had an excuse with a new OC and QB, but the defense had no excuse with two NFL players on the line. Sitake's defense was brilliant in Season 1 and horrible in Season 2. If we expect to win 8-10 games this year then we'll need the defense to play like Season 1."

While Star's play didn't vary in the least, from '11 to '12, his supporting-cast did. We lost a truly sound, unheralded group of LBs which did their jobs beyond expectations! This was painfully evident in our utter lack-of-speed in pass-coverage at this level.

BB missing the 1st 3 games and coming back at SS, which proved to be entirely out-of-position in The PAC-12, due to his lack-of-speed, in addition to Rowe missing so much time, added to the overall-scenario.

I was equally disappointed in our overall lack-of-production, but had overall significantly different scenario in Year 2.

We have some serious depth at LB in 2013, IF BB/RH get/remain healthy, both of which are ideal, speed-wise, at LB! Another option for this requisite-speed is True-Freshman UM!

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

@DevilishUte

U of A is a steeper challenge than Arizona State because the Utes will play Arizona on the road while Arizona State is a home game after the Utes get a bye. Yes Arizona State is a better team than Arizona, but there are other factors that make an individual match-up more or less difficult than another. For Utah both teams will be favored to hand the Utes a loss. However, coach Wittingham has a knack of beating teams when coming off a bye. Arizona State may be a better team than the Utes, but they come at the right time in the schedule AND in Utah when its going to be cold. Arizona State, Washington State, Colorado, UCLA and Weber State are the games I expect the Utes to win this year.

I follow most of college football pretty closely. The PAC had quite a few teams last year that slipped into the rankings for a week or two. Its a solid league currently.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Marked it Down--

"AZUTE1

Obsessed much?"

W/an article in equal-part about UTAH? Absolutely!

Marked it Down--

"Actually, BYU wasn't that far off of either an undefeated season or a BCS Bowl Game with back-to-back 11-2, Top 15 finishes in 2006 and 2007. That's what the whole "Quest" thing was all about - taking it to the next level."

'12 usu lost 2 games, too, against a similarly weak SOS, to boot! This equally cements my point! "Almost" doesn't equate to BCS Bowling X 2!

Marked it Down--

"On the other hand, Utah has just as many losses to 10-loss teams (and more recently) as they've undefeated seasons recently. In other words, Utah is much more likely to lose to anybody on their schedule, than they are to win 10 games, something the Utes have seldom done in their entire history, let alone as a member of a big boy conference."

1 unexpected, bad loss out of 25 total games hardly constitutes a trend! Impossible to distract me!

Trend=

2-Star byu's utter inability to beat a good team, which pre-dates UTAH's PAC-12 entry, excepting solely usu at home by 3 points!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Steven S Jarvis--

"AZUTE

There is no point in recruiting against BYU. You have to recruit against the schools in the PAC in order to be competitive."

Steven, please see my direct-response to you above!

Steven S Jarvis--

"The preoccupation with BYU by Utah fans...."

Yet, the vast-majority of my comments posted on this thread today are in direct-response to 2-Star byu fans obsessed w/me, specifically, and w/UTAH, in general, including yourself, Steven!

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

cowboy51

Why are you reading the comments if you despise the banter so much?

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

AZUte DOES likely have a job.

Seen Lenny Gomes lately AZUte?

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

AZUTE & VegasUte:
The fact BYU has lost to a "cellar dweller" recently is EXTREMELY embarrassing for BYU fans which is why it has to stop. It's almost as embarrassing as losing to one of the worst teams in CFB AT HOME, and then following that up the next year with a bowless post season. Guess what? The fact BYU fans are embarrassed at losing to U doesn't change the fact you're cellar dwellers. What exactly was y'all's point?

Poqui
Murray, UT

What do these teams have to do to make $10+ million dollars this season?

1. USU - win every single regular season game by 20 or more and hope they are noticed by the media so that they can be considered to be invited to a BCS bowl.

2. BYU - Also go undefeated and hope the other teams in front of them lose so they get an invite to the BCS.

3. Utah - Nothing.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

VegasUte:
"DE currently is one of the greatest football coaching minds".

Really? You might want to ask ASU or Niner fans about that, I don't think they would agree. DE was good for awhile but he's not been able to keep up with the other "great coaching minds" in this generation. That's why he could never take ASU teams that were considered talented, high powered, and preseason ranked to ever reach anywhere near their potential. I think ute fans might be putting too much stock into a guy that hasn't produced much since leaving Oregon State.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

AZUTE1

"1 unexpected, bad loss out of 25 total games hardly constitutes a trend!"

2 unexpected losses to really bad 10-loss teams since 2007 is more of a trend than Kyle's one great 2008 season, especially when you couple that with the fact that Kyle hasn't beaten a single PAC team with a winning record in the last two years.

BYU has only lost to a 10-loss team TWICE in their entire history, the most recent almost 30 years ago.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Cougsndawgs - nice banter with you today. Thanks for keeping me entertained during a very boring day at work!

Go Utes! Onward and Upward!!

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

The probability that any of them get to 10 wins is low. Sure I'm biased, but I think BYU has the best chance. I just don't know how good the offense will be with a new QB and OC.

8 wins is likely and will be a good season. 9 wins would have me dancing. And 10 wins could make BYU attractive to a better bowl offering to swap with the KFH bowl.

Sports Nutz
Smithfield, UT

re: poqui, It's funny you said that Utah has to do nothing to earn $10 million dollars....well that's exactly what they have done lately. Here's hoping the Aggies and Utes have great years.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

I have a quick question for AZUTE:

If BYU is a 2-star school or football program or whatever, how many stars do you rank a school that ended up ranked below this 2-star school for the last 2 years and for 3 of the last 4 years?

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

VegasUte:
Same here...too much work not enough banter. It is entertaining, but why can't it be Aug 29 th yet? Lol

BigCougar
Bountiful, UT

was this article talking about what the ute basketball team needs to do in order to win 10 games this coming season?

sammyg
Springville, UT

Utah won't get 10 wins... even if you add in last year's games. LOL

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Y Grad / Y Dad

What good would an easier schedule do U? U still have to get by Colorado.

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You're a legacy program why do you need Colorado to beat Utah?

Oh wait, 54-10 @LES vs 14-17 @RES.

Never mind, please continue cheering our opponents.

No Conference Will Take Us
SEATTLE, WA

In order to have any chance of a ten win season, or even go undefeated for a chance to play for the national title. BYU needs to schedule better teams.

We did it before, we can do it again. For decades we played cream puffs. Why stop now? BYU is a legacy team with several 10+ win seasons. Idaho, Idaho St., New Mexico St., Tulane, S. Alabama, Hawaii, Akron would be good to schedule.
That will show the pollsters we mean business and want to be included in the playoffs. But first we need two years of 10 wins or more. The thought of this is exciting!

Striker
Omaha, NE

"For decades we played cream puffs. Why stop now?"

The bottom of the barrel Utah decided to bail on BYU. Good teams that are now at the bottom just don't want to play those teams who end up on the top. BYU will have to settle with excellent teams such as Notre Dame, Texas, and Nebraska. Fine with me!

NeilT
Clearfield, UT

Can't wait see USU play in the MWC. I predict a great year for football in the beehive state.

GO AGGIES

No Conference Will Take Us
SEATTLE, WA

Striker
Omaha, NE
"For decades we played cream puffs. Why stop now?"

The bottom of the barrel Utah decided to bail on BYU. Good teams that are now at the bottom just don't want to play those teams who end up on the top. BYU will have to settle with excellent teams such as Notre Dame, Texas, and Nebraska. Fine with me!

>>>

If Utah bailed, why is there talk of rescheduling them?
I would rather play teams we can beat. Why schedule games against ranked teams? We lose to them on TV anyway. I don't want BYU to be the punching bag of major conference teams.

John S. Harvey
Sandy, UT

This article cracks me up. The writer had to really stretch to find 10 things USU needs to do to get to 10 wins. Most were just: "Keep do the same thing you did last year"; (since most of the team is returning).

Note: Last year (the last year of the WAC) the WAC was rated a better football conference than the MWC. So USU is not really facing a tougher conference schedule this year at all. The OoC games are slightly tougher, but not much. So for the question of whether USU gets 10 wins again, will it be easy? No, not at all. Is it likely? Yes. After the first five games it will be pretty obvious whether Matt Wells has been able to continue the Aggies' very impressive run.

To get an outside look just check out Massey's pre-season ratings for next year (just Google it) - here is what he predicts for the three teams' regular season records:

USU 11-1
Utah 3-9
BYU 8-4

Looks like a good year to me (I'm an Aggie fan), but for the rest of you not so much. :-)

Beehive boot? Aggies all the way!

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

U 90
Corona, CA

"There's no way BYU goes 7-2 against the following: Virginia, Utah, Utah State, Texas, Boise St, GA Tech, Notre Dame, Houston, Wisconsin. Best case 7-5"

A little edgy for my tastes, but an honest opinion with reasoning behind it, thank you so much! Here's my take:

Virginia, WIN

Utah, should WIN, but then we SHOULD have been 2-1 over the last three years. We're not.

Utah State, 50-50

Texas, 50-50. A lot of ifs for BYU, but it IS a home game, last time was close. Like so many of these games, I believe the defense will keep us close. IF the offense can even begin to be decent...

Boise St, 50-50. See comment above.

GA Tech, WIN

Notre Dame, WIN. See comment above.

Houston, WIN.

Wisconsin. WIN. See comment above.

9-3, maybe 10-2, and in my optimist, blue colored universe, 11-1.

Striker
Omaha, NE

" I don't want BYU to be the punching bag of major conference teams."
You're talking about the wrong team. Stanford and Oregon join that fun this year.

"check out Massey's pre-season ratings for next year"
Massey's is one of the most poorly recognized and unreputable sites out there. They just post numbers with no explanation. You've got to be kidding me if you rely on them for your football knowledge. Anyone with any common sense knows that when you lose your coach that only gave a team one good season bails on you, and you're in a brand new conference, that team is going to have growing pains. 8 wins would be lucky for usu this year. In addition, they have losing records vs nearly all their opponents historically.

Wingnut1
USA, UT

Why are Utah fans complaining about their hard schedule? Isn't that what they wanted by joining the Pac 10.2? Back when they joined, they were banging their chest about having the opportunity to play tough teams like Stanford and Oregon and they were talking about the Rose Bowl within a few years, but now they're complaining that they can't get to ten wins because their schedule is too hard. I guess they forgot that Colorado would be on their schedule, and that is why they're now complaining :)

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Y Grad / Y Dad

Utah, should WIN, but then we SHOULD have been 2-1 over the last three years. We're not....
9-3, maybe 10-2, and in my optimist, blue colored universe, 11-1.

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You say that every preseason and then reality sets in by the postseason. Bronco has a losing record against BCS teams. So winning 6 BCS games will be a miracle, more like 3-3 at best at most likely 2-4.

BYU fans better hope Utah is a 3-9 team because that's the only PAC-12 teams BYU has beat over the last two years.

Again, 24-7 going into the 4th. Utah never trailed. No idea how you guys think the game was yours to lose even with the gift from MUSS it would have been a tie. BTW ... Utah SHOULD have been 11-0 if it weren't for miracles.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

"There is not one single "for sure" win on utah's schedule. Not even weber although they should win that game."

...Really?

Striker
Omaha, NE

I have added Uteology to my list of people who don't know what they are talking about.

"BYU fans better hope Utah is a 3-9 team because that's the only PAC-12 teams BYU has beat over the last two years."

Nice try. Just last year, BYU beat Washington State. Year before, they beat Oregon State. Just to go back further, BYU has beaten Washington twice, Oregon State, Oregon, UCLA twice (59-0 once), Oregon, Arizona, and Utah many times since 2006.

P.S. BYU fans don't need to hope for Utah's 3-9 record. Utah may get that all on their own.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Striker

I have added Uteology to my list of people who don't know what they are talking about.

"BYU fans better hope Utah is a 3-9 team because that's the only PAC-12 teams BYU has beat over the last two years."

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What?

Washington State in 2012 was 3-9
Oregon State in 2011 was 3-9

Thus my statement stands. BYU needs Utah to be a horrible 3-9 PAC-12 team, otherwise most likely BYU will lose.

Striker
Omaha, NE

Uteology,
You need to better phrase your sentences. Utah, 3-9, PAC-12, is confusing how you put it. You made it sound like Utah was a pathetic team who BYU beat. I love also how you refuse to accept any more recent history. 38-8 over Oregon. 44-20 over Oregon State. 59-0 over UCLA. BYU can demolish PAC teams with good winning records. Can Utah do that in the PAC? How many PAC teams with winning records has Utah beaten in the last two years? Since you're a stats guy, I'll wait for your response. (Hint: you can count them on a ducks foot who has only 3 phalanges; no 3 isn't the answer either, or is it?)

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

striker--

"Uteology,

You need to better phrase your sentences. Utah, 3-9, PAC-12, is confusing how you put it. How many PAC teams with winning records has Utah beaten in the last two years?"

What's confusing? Even though 2-Star byu hasn't played them in a truly legitimate back-to-back, week-in, week-out grind, they've managed to go sub-.500 against The PAC-12 through 5 games played to date.

This includes merely beating 2 schools which finished, literally, at the bottom of the conference standings, 2011 OSU/2012 WAZZU, in addition to getting absolutely brutally curb-stomped at home by the only 2 schools which finished the season w/a winning record, 2011 UTAH/2012 OSU, to the tune of 96-34!

Their 3rd loss was yet another of endless losses in recent memory against UTAH in '12, keeping 2-Star byu winless against UTAH, ingloriously at 0-2!

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

Again, AZUTE keeps calling BYU "2-Star" without realizing that Utah has finished ranked lower than BYU the last 2 years and for 3 of the last 4 years.

Another question, if 2-Star schools beat opponents with a 3-9 record or higher, how many stars do you rate a school that loses to 2-10 teams at home (especially when that 2-10 team hasn't won a road game in years)?

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Striker

Confusing statement? Utah didn't finish 3-9 in 2012, you should have known that. In fact, Utah has not finished with 3 or less wins since the 80s, you know the same period you owned us.

So you want us to consider your wins against PAC-10 teams but then you go own to compare Utah's PAC-12 record. Now that's confusing, why not just compare records against PAC-12 for both teams?

UCLA was 4-8. And Oregon finished 7-6 and OSU 8-5, which according to BYU fans are "cellar dwellers" considering you have labeled 2011 Utah 8-5 a "cellar dweller".

shorts
Payson, UT

I don't understand the point of this article. So if each team has great QB play, great OL play, great defense, great kicking games ect... Well really is their anything else? What is the point.

U 90
Corona, CA

Can someone please explain why BYU "should have" won the game in 2012. The two missed field goals were for the tie, not the win. If BYU should have won that game, then I guess you would have to agree Utah should have won the Harline, 4th and 18, and Max Hall rant games. Gotta love the selective memories of some Y fans. They can remember only the close loses, and never mention the close wins.

Y Grad/Dad, You may be right that BYU can go 2-2 against Texas, Boise, Utah State and GA Tech. But are you really saying BYU will go 5-0 against Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Utah, Virgina and Houston (all games on the road except Utah). May want to check yourself on that one.

You may And your also saying BYU will go 2-2 against Boise, Utah St, Texas

Scores
Idaho Falls, ID

Asute1

Look at it this way. I call it smart scheduling. The Y has bye weeks when they need them the most. That's smart. U have bye weeks as well, just before UCLA and ASU. Then how about playing five of your first six games at home! I call that smart scheduling. We'll see if it works. But the fact remains....schedule strength changes from week to week once the season starts. If U have a losing record after the first six games, U are in trouble again.

BigCougar
Bountiful, UT

@Y Grad/Y Dad
"Utah State, 50-50"

I think Utah St has lost too much from last year to consider that a 50-50 game. Besides the loss of Andersen, they also lost their DC who followed GA to Wisconsin. While most of their D returns in the front 7 they're replacing some major pieces in thier secondary. I think they'll be tough to run against but we'll have some success through the air.

Also, in the 2 yrs we've played Keeton we've done a good job keeping him from doing too much damage. I think we'll be able to score in the 20's and keep them under 20 in the game. I really do think the loss of GA and some of his assistants will hurt the team.

@U90
"Can someone please explain why BYU "should have" won the game in 2012."
In all honesty Utah can come up with reasons why the game should've been bigger and BYU can come up with reasons why they should have won.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

scores--

"Look at it this way. I call it smart scheduling. The Y has bye weeks when they need them the most. That's smart. U have bye weeks as well, just before UCLA and ASU. Then how about playing five of your first six games at home! I call that smart scheduling. We'll see if it works. But the fact remains....schedule strength changes from week to week once the season starts. If U have a losing record after the first six games, U are in trouble again."

Please....UCLA has the same, identical bye-week we do and ASU plays against WAZZU on Thursday during our bye-week, mitigating it by 2 days on top of playing against an inferior opponent.

You can attempt to spin it any way you wish, but Phil Steele sees it the same way I do and his '13 SOS Rankings confirm it in ranking 2-Star byu's at #49 and UTAH's at #12.

No, it's not even remotely, "smart scheduling", on 2-Star byu's part, it's 100% cowardice. Furthermore, UTAH has no say, whatsoever, in their conference schedule. Nice try.

U 90
Corona, CA

Big Cougar,

I don't see U Fans clamoring constantly that Utah should have won bigger. But we do repeatedly hear from Y fans that BYU should have won. Shoulda, woulda, coulda, if, if, if

kevo
Saratoga Springs, UT

Here's my list of what these teams need to do in order to win 10 games:

In at least 10 of BYU's games, they need to...score more points than their opponent.
In at least 10 of USU's games, they need to...score more points than their opponent.
In at least 10 of Utah's games, they need ... their opponent to score less points.

I guarantee that if they score more points, then they will win. That's it. Just score more points. Simple.

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