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Foul or flop? See how call in Jazz loss to Clippers compares to NBA warnings

Published: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2012 1:54 p.m. MST

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This play is most similar to the call that went against the Jazz on Monday night. Martin receives the ball on the left wing and attempts a three-pointer as the Pistons' Jonas Jerebko closes on him. Like Billups against the Jazz, Martin embellishes the contact and crumples to the floor, earning three free throws.

"I've seen a lot of basketball from the time the first warnings were issued and the time Martin received this one, and I can tell you there have been far worse offenders than this," ProBasketballTalk writer Brett Pollakoff wrote of the play. "But the league is clearly trying to send a message, one that says in part that they’d like to eliminate players trying to get a favorable call from the officials by falling down intentionally after receiving minimal contact on a shot attempt."

Martin was warned by the NBA but not fined.

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RBN
Salt Lake City, UT

Interesting. THe DWade leg kick was much less pronounched than that of Billups (last night). There should be a warning or fine.

Carl Bohn
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

why is it that Baveta is involved in all of the calls that have gone against the Jazz and have caused them to loose important games? What does he have against us? Or am I just dreaming?

Austin Coug
Pflugerville, TX

Flop by Billups. No contact without him sticking his legs and left arm out after the shot.

GoRed
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

The thing that hurts most is that this led directly to the Clippers' one-point win over the Jazz.

WhatsInItForMe
Orem, Utah

It's not Baveta. It's the other ref---the other older-looking one. He was front and center on all four ridiculous bad calls against the Jazz. Any one of them not being made incorrectly (remember the charge when the player was obviously on the line?) would have won the game for the Jazz. This ref needs to be reprimanded. Or fired. It's not the first time I've seen THIS REF make obviously bad calls against the Jazz.

I didn't see any contact in the Billups flop. If he's not fined, you can presume the league considers the Jazz just in the way of the Clippers who seem to be one of their darlings for increased NBA money.

The Jazz won't get respect again until they get a superstar. Gone are the days of Malone & Stockton.

J R Stewart
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Pretty obvious, even watching live at the game. The replay really documents it. Too bad season ticket holders can't watch a decent replay in the arena!

There is still flopping, why are the refs continuing to be fooled, where it's obvious to everyone else.

The selling of a foul, by an illegal play, just kills the game.

When are we going to get refs, who call blocks, stop the star treatment and are not sold a foul?

If the refs would call the game correctly in the first place, this would all take care of itself.

When you reward bad behavior, you perpetuate it.

Jazzaholic

LetsDebate
PLEASANT GROVE, UT

A $5000 fine for a player making millions a year is pocket change. If the cheating results in a win, that's worth far more to the team and individual than $5000. The league should take the points away on any ensuing free throws, and if that overturns the game, maybe the players will take is seriously. Maybe give refs the authority to review possible flops, and give the other team a flagrant foul type of reward - 2 shots and the ball.

The players also need to be hit where it hurts most - in their manhood. These high powered athletes pride themselves on being tough. I suspect if media and fans mercilessly hounded them for being fragile sissy cheaters, it would probably clean up the flopping faster than the measly fines.

hoopsgirl
Draper, UT

This is the third game in a row where a bad call changed the momentum and outcome of the game. (Westbrook vs Watson, the obvious kicked ball by Jeremy Lin and now the many calls in the Clippers game) I totally understand trying to keep the game moving, etc, but certain things should be reviewable. The action happens so fast it's sometimes hard to know what just happened. The reason you won't see these plays re-played over and over again in the arena is the NBA prohibits them from replaying plays that will incite the crowd. Which seems is every crucial call down the stretch in the past few games. There has never been respect from the league for the Jazz, even in the Stockton to Malone days. Until the Millers pony up for a few superstar players, I don't see any league respect in the Jazz's future.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

Plays like that, upon which the outcome of the game turn, should be reviewable.

pokytransplant
West Jordan, UT

"Hello", any body recognize that the one team that was featured the most on the 2012-13 flopping video was the "Clippers"? "Hello David Stern?!?" "Are you there?"

coleman51
Orem, UT

I hope Jazz fans don't go away from reading this article that the Jazz losses are the result of bad calls from the ref's. If that is the case, they are seriously delusional about their team. Throughout this and other Jazz losses, the Jazz have showed a serious lack of defense, particularly when the game is on the line. They simply are not athletic enough to guard the quicker, more athletic teams. That they can play offense at times does not negate the fact that they are older, slower, and less athletic than other teams in the NBA and cannot compete with the NBA elite. The off-season acquisitions do have consequences when your team now consists primarily of D-league players, players who are 3-4 years beyond their prime, and players that no other team in the NBA wants. Bad decisions inevitable have bad consequences.

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