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Federal control of lands not bad, Interior Secretary Jewell tells Western governors

Published: Friday, June 28 2013 1:00 p.m. MDT

Interior Secretary Sally Jewell testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, on Thursday, June 6, 2013, before a Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee hearing to review programs and activities of the Interior Department. (Jacquelyn Martin, AP) Interior Secretary Sally Jewell testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, on Thursday, June 6, 2013, before a Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee hearing to review programs and activities of the Interior Department. (Jacquelyn Martin, AP)

DEER VALLEY — New U.S. Interior Secretary Sally Jewell told the Western Governors Association on Friday there's a need to get away from seeing federally managed lands as bad and state control over resources as good.

Jewell called for a balanced approach to using public lands in the West, pledging the federal government will be a partner in identifying what local communities "want from a grass-roots level," whether that's preserving or developing the land.

Gov. Gary Herbert, the association's outgoing chairman, asked Jewell after her keynote address on the first of three days of meetings to define balance, noting that "like beauty, balance is sometimes in the eye of the beholder."

Herbert noted that nearly 70 percent of Utah is federally controlled at a time when the nation needs the energy resources available on those lands, as well as to protect pristine wilderness.

This June 6, 2013 file photo shows Interior Secretary Sally Jewell, on Capitol Hill in Washington.  (Jacquelyn Martin, AP) This June 6, 2013 file photo shows Interior Secretary Sally Jewell, on Capitol Hill in Washington. (Jacquelyn Martin, AP)

"I look forward to understanding what balance means to the state of Utah," Jewell said.

Earlier in her speech to the 400 government leaders from the western U.S. and Canada and lobbyists, she spoke of a shift in federal land use in the West, from traditional grazing, mining and forestry to recreational tourism.

Jewell declined to comment to reporters specifically on the Utah Legislature's demand in 2012 that the federal government cede its holdings in the state, but said the decision to give the federal government oversight of those lands was made years ago.

"Just because the federal land may be under the jurisdiction of the federal government doesn't mean the states don't benefit from it," the former Recreational Equipment Inc. CEO said, citing as an example Washington sharing drilling proceeds with states.

T. Boone Pickens speaks regarding foreign oil dependence during a town hall meeting Sept 11, 2008 in Salt Lake City. (Jeffrey D. Allred, Deseret News) T. Boone Pickens speaks regarding foreign oil dependence during a town hall meeting Sept 11, 2008 in Salt Lake City. (Jeffrey D. Allred, Deseret News)

"It's not negative necessarily to be federal, and some of the comments suggest that," she said. "In many cases, if you're in the East where I'm now living, people would kill to have federal lands like the beautiful federal lands we have out West."

Rather than turn back land held by the federal government to the states, Jewell said, "there is an appetite in the federal government to work with state government to more thoughtfully manage our land."

A Utah lawmaker behind the push to get the federal government to give up its claims in Utah, Rep. Ken Ivory, R-West Jordan, said Jewell's comments "ignore the fundamental question."

Ivory said the state is suffering as a result of how federal lands are managed, including losing access to roads and "abundant recourse that creates a tax base and jobs. So the speech sounds nice, but on the ground, it doesn't happen."

T. Boone Pickens speaks at press conference at the Sustainable Energy Conference, Wednesday, April 20, 2011 in Tulsa, Okla. Pickens is expected to deliver the keynote address at an all-day conference about how sustainability impacts Oklahoma businesses.    (Tulsa World, Stephen Pingry, Associated Press) T. Boone Pickens speaks at press conference at the Sustainable Energy Conference, Wednesday, April 20, 2011 in Tulsa, Okla. Pickens is expected to deliver the keynote address at an all-day conference about how sustainability impacts Oklahoma businesses. (Tulsa World, Stephen Pingry, Associated Press)

Jewell, making her first visit to Utah after being named interior secretary earlier this year, said she plans to hike to Barneys Peak in the Oquirrh Mountains with Bureau of Land Management employees Saturday before leaving the state.

Herbert told reporters that the states' relationship with the federal government "ought to be a partnership, not one that's subservient" and dominated by a dictator. Still, Utah's governor said he believes progress is being made.

"Sometimes it's a matter of getting people's attention and letting them know we're serious," he said, about putting a stop to what he called the federal government's continued overreach.

Herbert said he welcomed Jewell's focus on outdoor recreational use of public lands but added while that may be a big part, it's not all the holdings can provide. Utah, he said, is taking an "all of the above" approach to how federal land should be utilized.

T. Boone Pickens, founder of hedge fund BP Capital Management, speaks at the National Clean Energy Summit in Las Vegas Aug. 19. (Ethan Miller, Getty Images) T. Boone Pickens, founder of hedge fund BP Capital Management, speaks at the National Clean Energy Summit in Las Vegas Aug. 19. (Ethan Miller, Getty Images)

Earlier Friday, legendary energy developer T. Boone Pickens told the WGA that climate change may well be real and needs to be addressed.

"Let's do what we can," Pickens, also a keynote speaker, said in response to a question about climate change.

"Be aware of it, and get started on accepting climate change. But it can run off the scale on cost. Be careful about cost," advised the billionaire chairman and CEO of the Dallas-based energy hedge fund BP Capital.

He said while it's hard to convince a geologist like himself that climate change is real, the threat can't be ignored. Pickens, 85, urged dealing with climate change now to avoid regrets later, even though its effects are not being felt as quickly as some have feared.

Oil and gas developer T. Boone Pickens addresses a town hall meeting on energy independence July 30 in Topeka, Kan. (Charlie Riedel, Associated Press) Oil and gas developer T. Boone Pickens addresses a town hall meeting on energy independence July 30 in Topeka, Kan. (Charlie Riedel, Associated Press)

After his address, Pickens told reporters: "You don't want to be stupid, I'll tell you, and find yourself 20 years later wanting to cut your throat."

Much of Pickens' speech focused on his call to end the country's dependence on foreign oil and turn to resources like natural gas, especially for heavy truck and rail transportation.

"We have resources in America that do not require us to buy oil from OPEC," the man responsible for building one of the nation's largest independent oil companies, Mesa Petroleum, said.

Pickens said he believes the Keystone Pipeline will be permitted to transport gas from Canada to the United States. Canada, he said, is a friend to the United States while Middle Eastern nations in OPEC never will be.

He said he supports any type of energy produced in the United States, including renewable resources like wind and solar. But, Pickens said, he has lost money investing in wind power because natural gas is so much cheaper.

T. Boone Pickens speaks at press conference at the Sustainable Energy Conference, Wednesday, April 20, 2011 in Tulsa, Okla. Pickens is expected to deliver the keynote address at an all-day conference about how sustainability impacts Oklahoma businesses.    (Tulsa World, Stephen Pingry, Associated Press) T. Boone Pickens speaks at press conference at the Sustainable Energy Conference, Wednesday, April 20, 2011 in Tulsa, Okla. Pickens is expected to deliver the keynote address at an all-day conference about how sustainability impacts Oklahoma businesses. (Tulsa World, Stephen Pingry, Associated Press)

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