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Romney v. Obama 2: feisty, toe-to-toe, and inconclusive

Published: Wednesday, July 29 2015 8:32 a.m. MDT

President Barack Obama greets Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney at the start of the second presidential debate at Hofstra University, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2012, in Hempstead, N.Y. (AP Photo/David Goldman) (Associated Press) President Barack Obama greets Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney at the start of the second presidential debate at Hofstra University, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2012, in Hempstead, N.Y. (AP Photo/David Goldman) (Associated Press)

Mitt Romney played to run out the clock. Sensing that momentum was on his side, Romney’s task was to reassure skeptical viewers — especially women — that he was not a warmonger. Obama played like the one anxious to score, jabbing Romney repeatedly all night long, rarely speaking without sending a shot across the table.

“For the most part, the president’s tone fit the gravity of the issues under discussion,” wrote Michelle Cottle at the Daily Beast. “But even when he flirted with humor, it was angry humor. “The 1980s are calling, asking for their foreign policy back.” “You say we have fewer ships than 1916. We also have fewer horses and bayonets.” Snap.”

The paradox was captured by Howard Kurtz at the Daily Beast, who headlined, “Obama slams A Passive Mitt Romney as Reckless on Foreign Policy.”

Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney speaks while President Barack Obama listens during the second presidential debate at Hofstra University, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2012, in Hempstead, N.Y.  (David Goldman, Associated Press) Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney speaks while President Barack Obama listens during the second presidential debate at Hofstra University, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2012, in Hempstead, N.Y. (David Goldman, Associated Press)

“This was not the Mitt Romney of the first or second debate,” Kurtz wrote, “Sounding like a political scientist at times, he had clearly made a calculation that playing it safe and demonstrating world knowledge were sufficient in a race in which many polls are trending his way. He steered clear of anything that might be interpreted as an aggressive call to action.”

“The President is determined to pick a fight tonight,” Tweeted NBC’s David Gregroy, “Romney determined to avoid it. What does that say about where each camp sees the race?”

The results, based on flash polls, were somewhat mixed with a tilt to Romney on points, but serious doubts about whether anything here would change the trajectory of the campaign.

President Barack Obama  answers a question as Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney  listens during the second presidential debate at Hofstra University, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2012, in Hempstead, N.Y.  (Charlie Neibergall, Associated Press) President Barack Obama answers a question as Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney listens during the second presidential debate at Hofstra University, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2012, in Hempstead, N.Y. (Charlie Neibergall, Associated Press)

CNN’s flash poll gave the nod to Obama, 48 percent to 40. But as David Gergen observed on CNN, to focus on the “winner” in the polls is off point. “I think Romney passed the commander-in-chief test, and people would be fairly comfortable with him in the oval office.”

The CNN poll rather proved Gergen’s point: Can the candidate handle the job of commander in chief? 63 percent said yes to Obama, and 60 percent yes to Romney. Given that Obama already holds the office, this might seem a vindication of Romney’s caution.

“Who did the debate make you more likely to vote for?” CNN asked. Obama 24 percent, Romney 25, and neither 50.

A Public Policy Polling survey after the debate summed up its likely minimal effects. 37 percent were more likely to vote for Obama after the debate, 31 percent less likely. 38 were more likely to vote for Romney, 35 percent less likely.

Moderator Candy Crowley talks to the audience before the second presidential debate at Hofstra University, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2012, in Hempstead, N.Y.  (Charlie Neibergall, Associated Press) Moderator Candy Crowley talks to the audience before the second presidential debate at Hofstra University, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2012, in Hempstead, N.Y. (Charlie Neibergall, Associated Press)

CNN commentator Van Jones may have offered definitive proof that Intrade, the popular gambling site where people put real money on future events, is not exactly a hot spot for political wisdom. Intrade odds, Jones said, spiked to 80 percent for Obama reelection ten minutes before the debate ended.

A bit more grounded, conservative New York Times columnist Ross Douthat tweeted, “I expect the snap polls to give a clear edge to Obama, and for Romney's polling to suffer not all.”

NBC’s Chuck Todd tweeted, “Romney seemed so focus on being "acceptable" that he didn't see the need to either respond to criticism or draw many distinctions. Too safe?

One of the few unequivocal voices calling it a Romney win was Charles Krauthammer at Fox News: “I think it's unequivocal: Romney won, not just tactically but strategically.”

First lady Michelle Obama applauds before the start of the second presidential debate between President Barack Obama and Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney at Hofstra University, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2012, in Hempstead, N.Y. Seated right of Mrs. Obama is Seth Bodnar from Western Pennsylvania. (AP Photo/Pool-Michael Reynolds) (Michael Reynolds, ASSOCIATED PRESS) First lady Michelle Obama applauds before the start of the second presidential debate between President Barack Obama and Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney at Hofstra University, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2012, in Hempstead, N.Y. Seated right of Mrs. Obama is Seth Bodnar from Western Pennsylvania. (AP Photo/Pool-Michael Reynolds) (Michael Reynolds, ASSOCIATED PRESS)

Some issues that never came up: The EU credit crisis and the peace process between the Palestinians and the Israelis. According to one count, Israel was mentioned 22 times, Japan, the EU, and India not at all.

It was clear early on that no one there really wanted to discuss foreign policy. At every opportunity, both candidates veered off to domestic issues. And the moderator let them run. Just about any issue quickly became an excuse to revisit domestic issues.

Probably the most interesting dispute in the debate came when the president got one of his many digs in at Romney, alleging that he advocated destroying the auto industry through bankruptcy.

As Bob Shieffer began to try to move on, Romney cut in and insisted on addressing the question. Romney said he never had advocated that the auto industry be abandoned, but rather that he had advocated an ordered bankruptcy that would allow GM and Chrysler to properly shave their debts and regain the footing.

Ann Romney, wife of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, waves while being introduced before the second presidential debate between President Barack Obama and Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney at Hofstra University, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2012, in Hempstead, N.Y. (AP Photo/Pool-Win McNamee) (Win McNamee, ASSOCIATED PRESS) Ann Romney, wife of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, waves while being introduced before the second presidential debate between President Barack Obama and Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney at Hofstra University, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2012, in Hempstead, N.Y. (AP Photo/Pool-Win McNamee) (Win McNamee, ASSOCIATED PRESS)

According to Romney, his New York Times op ed on November 18, 2008 had argued that the government should back the loans required to get the companies moving again. This resulted in some back and forth, with the president insisting that Romney was wrong and appealing to the transcript again, as he had successfully with Candy Crowley last week.

The fact checking on this one was not difficult at all. In the New York Times piece Romney wrote, “The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.”

Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, left, watches as President Barack Obama addresses members of the audience during the second presidential debate at Hofstra University, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2012, in Hempstead, N.Y. (AP Photo/Pool-Win McNamee)  (Win McNamee, AP) Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, left, watches as President Barack Obama addresses members of the audience during the second presidential debate at Hofstra University, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2012, in Hempstead, N.Y. (AP Photo/Pool-Win McNamee) (Win McNamee, AP)

Another fact check moment occurred when Romney argued that the president had sought to keep troops in Iraq, and that the negotiations to arrange that had collapsed. The president, in suggesting that Romney was wrong, artfully framed his position as having been that he did not want to see 10,000 troops stay in Iraq.

After the debate, CNN quickly fact checked it and found that the administration had sought a “status of forces agreement,” which would have left between 3,000 and 5,000 U.S. troops in Iraq.

Eric Schulzke writes on national politics for the Deseret News. He can be contacted at eschulzke@desnews.com.

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