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Foreign ideas: What immigrants think about Americans and money

Published: Monday, Jan. 20 2014 4:20 p.m. MST

"Americans seem to believe that if their children do not get everything they want when they want it, they will be sad," she said. "And that being sad is a bad thing. And that it is a parent's job to keep their children from ever feeling sad. And that the best way to do that is to buy them things."

She says people buy things even if they do not have the money.

"I have three children," Adams said. "I would never think to buy them something they want with money I don't have."

Sometimes her family jokes and compares her to the Chinese "Tiger mom" stereotype by calling Adams a "Russian bear mom."

But coming from childhood poverty and a one-room apartment where she only had one dress to wear affects how she views her budget and what she actually needs.

"When you realize how little you need," she said, "it is difficult to spend money on things you know you can do without."

Efficient gifts

Lu's attitudes about gifts are also shaped by his upbringing. He says in China people will most often give gifts of money to people because it is efficient.

"You don't know what other people may want, and it is crass to ask for specific objects," he said. "And since you don't know what everyone else wants, you just give them money."

In America, he was shocked when his schoolmates would talk about their birthday and other gifts and how they hated most of them.

Jorge Ortega, a computer administrator in West Valley City, immigrated to the U.S. in 2000 and also brought attitudes about gifts with him.

In Mexico, Ortega says, if you want to give a gift to another family member, most of the time it is something you make with your own hands.

"You don't go to the store to get a gift," he said. "If you are a carpenter, you might give them a piece of furniture. If you have a garden, you may bring over a nice floral arrangement."

Lu says the worst thing you could do with gifts in China (if you didn't get money) is not use them.

Throw-away thrift

Lu says his family was fascinated with how, in West Virginia, people would put furniture, stereos and other items on the edges of their driveways.

"What is this practice," they wondered, "of people storing things on the edge of their driveways?"

It was his first encounter with America's throw-away society.

But when he wanted a stereo when he was a kid, he found one somebody had put out on a driveway for garbage or for people to take for free. It was broken but easily fixed by his engineer father.

This attitude of fixing things and using them up is also part of Ortega's background — and leaves him amazed at thrift stores and the things people get rid of.

"Myself, I buy stuff and don't get rid of it until it is in really bad shape," he said. "If my clothes have a hole in it, I might try to cover it up. When I am done with a bed, I throw it out because it is no longer good enough for donation."

Adams also loves reusing things — and says she reuses almost everything. She is particularly fond of all the free plastic bags stores give her with purchases, which she uses as garbage bags.

"There is so much in America," Adams said. "So much gets thrown away when it could be used. The abundance is wonderful; that is why people want to come to America. But sometimes it makes my brain hurt."

Saving default

Lu, an investment manager, sees the contrast in attitudes between China and America when it comes to debt. "In China, saving is the default for all money," he said. "Debt is a cultural disgrace. The only thing worse than losing your money is losing someone else's money."

The attitude in America, he says, embraces more risk — which enables people to invest in startups while knowing that not everything is a sure deal.

"Not seeing debt and credit as a disgrace is something the U.S. does better than China," he said.

Ortega, however, worries about the easy credit available in America.

He says the system makes getting credit easy for people, "And so they are always in debt, and they do not plan for the future."

Ortega often gives advice to other immigrants from Mexico and tells them they should be very careful about getting into debt. "People don't understand the system in the U.S. and how easy it is to get into debt," he said. "If something is easy to get, then many people just get it."

Like Lu and Adams, Ortega tries to find a balance between the values and attitudes he found in his birth country and those in his adopted country. He also tries to teach frugality to his three children.

"Little by little, they understand," Ortega said. "We try to teach them to appreciate what they have."

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